Niche Zero vs DF64 vs Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dosing Coffee Grinder Comparison

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A full comparison between the Best Single Dosing Coffee Grinders on the market for the Home Barista. We take the Niche Zero Grinder, the Coffee Tech DF64 Grinder and the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dosing Grinder through a comparison of features to investigate how they stack up next to one another. Shop Automatic Grinders: alternativebrewing.com.au/col... Taking a look at everything from the Workflow, noise levels, retention and maintenance - as well as a semi-deep dive into the flavour profiles that these Espresso and Filter (multipurpose) grinders produce.
2:00 Hoppers
3:18 Grind Dials
5:05 Grinds Chute & Dosing
7:20 Noise Exposure
10:27 Espresso Tasting
15:00 Filter Tasting
16:54 Grinds Retention
18:58 Final Summary
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++ Thoughts retrospect
I've left out the part where I was 'Khaby Lame like' pointing at the Niche Zero Grinder at the end of every segment - as although the Niche Zero performs very well across all tests - I don't want to diminish the fact the other grinders are also superb - whilst suggesting the Niche is the only grinder you need to have. This is not the case at all - I simply wanted to demonstrate why the Niche Zero maintains a level of popularity through its performance and user-friendly workflow, despite the fact of newer grinders being released that do compete in the single dosing grinder segment.
I was surprised to see the Niche had a lot less transitory retention compared to the other grinders, as it has had the most coffee ground through it in the studio. I expected either more or a substantially dirtier grinds chamber - but that was not the case. This further demonstrates Niche's retention superiority.
The whole comparison of these three automatic grinders seems to mirror the findings 'almost' from the previous Hand Grinder Comparison I did last month - where the Comandante Mk4 went head to head with the 1Zpresso J-Max and K-Plus. At a stretch. - I would say the K-Plus is much like the DF64, the Jmax is like the Eureka Oro Mignon and the Comandante is the Niche.
I will follow this idea up shortly by doing a Hand Grinder vs Automatic Grinder - to discover what may be the advantages of having a manual grinder are over an automatic one for espresso brewing - over and above the obvious savings - and I will use one of the above matchings to explore this.
I did try adding the 64mm burrs into the Eureka Oro Mignon - but sadly it is the top burr carrier that will not fit anything but the 65mm Eureka Burrs.
Notes on Coffees Used:
All coffee was 10 days post-roast.
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Things I overlooked to add:
- De-clumping screens on the Grinders and how this adds or detracts from low retention.
- The Niche Zero's dosing cup sits on a removable wooden plate / there is no marketed hands-free portafilter dosing with the Niche Zero.
- Serviceability / Warranty
- RTD when dosing. Not that everyone does it - but I do believe this is almost essential with Single Dosing Grinders during dry/low humidity times of the year, as well as decreasing the overall dust that is created whilst using the Bellows systems.
- Aesthetics; including options/modifications to look and colour.
- DF64's Auto-off function. This is great - none of the other grinders has it.
- Any comparison using the DF64 and SSP Burrs vs the rest. There are 3 types of SSP burrs that could be used - so that's for another video - comparing the SSP burrs to each other.
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@oaenusaochuenaocuao 9 месяцев назад

I love your videos. No bullshit, straight up information. Showing the workflow details was amazing. Now I exactly know what to expect from every grinder. Timelapses are also great. Nothing is hidden, everything transparently shown. ❤❤❤

@AlternativeBrewing 9 месяцев назад

Thanks 🫶

@coffeecove7058 Год назад

Really enjoyed the video, especially the in-depth review of each grinders cup profile and tasting notes.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

thanks! 🫶

@bucharestsfinest Год назад

I loved the video and comparison, helped me a lot in making a decision for my birthday. The tasting part was hard to follow, no grinder went ahead of the others and it took way too long. Congratulations for everything you do!

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Happy birthday!

@bill4123 2 года назад

The animations and jokes elevated an otherwise excellent comparison. Thanks for the added laughs.

@NoZenith Год назад

Happy Niche Zero owner here. I've only had mine for a couple weeks but it's actually quieter in person than listening to it run on my phone while watching RU-vid videos!

@damondlam 2 года назад

Superb, thorough review! Bravo!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thank you! Cheers!

@IMAWriterRobJ 2 года назад

Wonderfully done, as usual. I'm a Niche owner, but really appreciate how fairly you treated all 3, especially the flavor descriptors...too often neglected when watching grinder comparisons. Sort of like cell phone reviews, which wait till page 8 to say.."oh yeah, the call quality is fine." Yours is 1st class work.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@tydcook 2 года назад

I am thoroughly glad to have bought the Niche and have had it for several months now. It’s a workhorse and a pleasure to use. I love the simple cleaning and daily workflow. Although there are better grinders out there, I would be hard-pressed to ever ‘upgrade’ beyond the Niche. I haven’t seen anything else as simple and pleasurable to use in existence as of yet.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Couldn't agree more!

@jmanxxxangel 7 месяцев назад

Amazing review 10/10. Thank you!

@AlternativeBrewing 7 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@timsonofander 4 дня назад

Phenomenal review. Thank you.

@AlternativeBrewing 3 дня назад

My pleasure!

@krihanek117 2 года назад

The Turin DF64 requires modification to the anti clumping screen, The stock screen is terrible. You will have coffee packed here even using the bellows aggressively. A metal dosing cup is recommended to reduce static. The v2 grinder comes with the grind indicator arrow pointer. Anti popcorn, metal cup, dosing cup positioning collar and proper declumper is about $90 total. Then you have the best performing espresso grinder that you can buy for $550.

@morningcoffee1 Год назад

Best review of them out there 👏

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Thanks so much!

@MartinWeinecke 2 года назад

Great video! Thank you!

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

You're welcome 😀

@devildman3128 Год назад

excellent video. debating between all 3 and it's coming down to my curiosity with testing flat burrs.... indecisive.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Depends what beans you buy , and how you choose to drink it I guess 😀

@devildman3128 Год назад

@@AlternativeBrewing espresso for me. Flat whites for the wife. I prefer a more Chocolat, sweet, textured. But have recently started to appreciate bright fruit notes, lighter roasts.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

I'd say the Eureka will fit in just perfectly than. I've tested all three at home - identical beverages made each day - a long black and flat white - the happy middle ground has been the Eureka. Niche was a little too meh for me when tasting very good fruity beans - and the DF64 - my wife said made the coffee not taste as strong

@dvs3308 2 года назад

Since a couple of weeks I own a DF64. With standard burrs. What an amazing grinder!! I love it. It's easy in use and has superb performance. I only opted for a dial indicator ring, which costs around EU. 20,00. Very handy! I don't notice a lot of hindrance of anti popcorning neither the need of a modified cup holder. For me this is the best grinder I could get. And for a very decent price.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Very nice!

@dennisrkb Год назад

How long does it take to grind a double dose?

@dvs3308 Год назад

@@dennisrkb I only make single shots with 14 grams and that takes 12,2 seconds

@TC_Prof 2 года назад

Love this Josh well done mate 👍👍

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks 👍

@EdGodoyPlana 2 года назад

Very good review of the grinders. In particular I can attest with all your conclusions for the Niche and the DF64 since I have both of them. The DF64 I upgraded the burrs to the SSP High Uniformity espresso burrs and added all the 3D modification available for this grinder. I cannot opine on the other grinder since I have never used one. I agree that the Niche and the DF64 are very good grinders . However, my preference is the Niche over the DF64 in the espresso it produces with more full body than the DF64 that produces more clarity. I prefer also the work flow of the Niche over the DF64 and I completely agree also that out of the box the Niche simply works . The DF64 you need to be willing to modify it ! I intend to keep both the Niche and the DF64 because they complement each other. However, if I had to only keep one it would be the Niche! Great reviews! Thanks!

@ThunderRunner 2 года назад

Would you go with the high uniformity again or the multipurpose to give more of a compliment to the niche?

@EdGodoyPlana 2 года назад

@@ThunderRunner I decided to go with the SSP high uniformity espresso burrs because 95% of my coffee is espresso. I do not prepare that many pour overs and with the Niche I can prepare the occasional pour over. I had heard that although the SSP multipurpose burrs can be used for espresso it was not as good for espresso as the High Uniformity espresso burrs. I have never used the multiple burrs . I have heard comments form others that the SSP high uniformity espresso burrs produce more similar results to the Niche than the SSP multipurpose burrs but I have not tried them to compare.

@gabrielo8922 2 года назад

Great video, great job 👍

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thank you! 👍

@mspdec 2 года назад

I had the Eureka Mignon Oro Single Doser for about 3 weeks. Had to return it back to the Dealer as the vibration and noise levels became unbearable (see my short RU-vid video). Also had the DF64 with Eureka fitted titanium burrs before the Eureka but didn't use it as I didn't like the aesthetics so I also returned this grinder back to the Dealer, with awaiting for over 3 months (due to production issues Eureka had - heard it was due to vibration of the motor issues) for the Eureka to be delivered.

@anjapinkau3737 5 месяцев назад

Excellent video! Very informative! Thank you! I was about to get the Eureka, but I think the Niche might be the better choice.

@AlternativeBrewing 5 месяцев назад

Good choice!

@Lifeiis 2 года назад

Love you guys and everything you do, this was a really useful video as I'm tossing up all three options. I got a rude shock when I saw your price for the Niche Zero 60% more than buying a unit shipped direct from Niche. I just don't understand why us Aussies get slogged with these mark ups.

@defvii Год назад

got to remember that the niche zero is exceedingly hard to get with competitive pre order signups then a significant production + intl shipping wait time. markup is due to scarcity and convience not just Aus markup (which I'm sure is maybe responsible for 10,15% of that markup).

@Millilitree Год назад

@@defvii Its definitely not a problem now, i ordered and got it delivered to my doorstep in just a few days

@kerrycoyle8930 Год назад

Thanks for sharing this video with us... I own a Niche Zero so I figure my opinion may be biased plus I haven't tried either of the other two grinders but a very limited drinks... I've had more drinks (both espresso & latte's) from the DF64 then the Eureka. All in all I prefer my Niche probably because I tend to prefer the slightly less acidic tastes and a fuller bodied taste.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@markfallu7149 2 года назад

I would absolutely love to see a lagom p64 comparison review.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

I believe the Lagom P64 is the original df64 it's a lot more money but basically everything the Df64 is plus more with none of the DF64 downsides. Plus it looks a lot better. But the df64 is still a great value and with the same burrs a aligned df64 with maybe a modified declumper would be near identical (minus rpm control). P64 has supposedly perfect alignment and no bellows and less retention without having to resort to a bellows also quieter motor although df64 isn't too loud either. Workflow on the p64 is about as nice as niche zeros which is really good.

@Adrien-vp2gt 10 месяцев назад

great jobs !!!

@yeesuanpoo594 2 года назад

Your reviews and experience reflect mine. I own 2x DF64s and Niche for months. Niche is great for the blend like signature blend of most roaster and DF64 (SSP) is best for those single origin beans. Get both if you can!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Totally agree!

@marc6652 Год назад

A really great video ! I subscribe !

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Awesome, thank you!

@yoramdiamand 2 года назад

Hi, I own a niche zero, and the coffee I get is rather enjoyable, but some time ago I had the Ceado E37S and the coffee was better. In due time I was thinking of going to the bank and buying a Ceado E37sd. The DF 64 with ssp burrs might also be an option, but the overall construction of the DF64 grinder seems a little bit cheaper than the Ceado for which there are also ssp burrs for sale. Thanks for the video. Drink fresh coffee.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing!

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

6:40 I found it's hard to find a dosing funnel that actually fits with the DF64 portafilter forks, cool yours happened to fit! With the Niche Cup I'd always end up with the coffee tilted to one side so the plastic is kinda nice to be able to see through it and how it's sitting in there.

@kojie333 2 года назад

You should join the DF64 fb group, there is a funnel that is sold there which even covers the grinder!s exit chamber.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

@@kojie333 I think I now have the one that you're referring to. Oat something makes them custom for the Df64. They work nicely.

@ronaldsantosjapan Год назад

I can't help but think that IF Eureka bothered to add speed adjustability (while maintaining torque) that it would be a notch better. It needs an inverter to do that as it stands now. Basically, it turns too fast. A slower grind would be such a great improvement in grind quality, less noise, brew, quality, tidiness, and retention. (And I suspect it would result in a lot fewer if any fines.)

@CapoEstiCazzi 2 года назад

Complimenti, sei veramente eccezionale!!! Grazie :)

@DistilledStills 2 года назад

Love this video! I'm not even looking for an electric grinder but the script of the video and the movie themed story telling really got me. As usual very informative reviews. Great effort!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Wow, thanks!

@Girvo747 2 года назад

As much as I wanted the NZ or Oro, I couldn’t justify the price - I went with a Sette 270 and got a single dosing hopper for it haha. It’s near zero retention with the bellows (even without, its low retention out of the box) and it got it from you guys! Combined with my Gaggia Classic Pro (with 9 bar springs installed) and I’m off to the races :)

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Sounds perfect ! Yeah - There are many ways to a great espresso and your setup sounds on point 👍

@Girvo747 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing I’m sure one day I’ll be hitting the limits of my grinder and machine, but they’ll do quite nicely until then! Can’t wait to see how the single dose low retention grinder market continues to evolve until that point

@vschroeder4062 Год назад

I went the same direction and am regretting it. The higher cost is metal vs. plastic. I've only had the Sette 270wi for a year and it's already failed to maintain an espresso grind. The shims they provide in advance to regain fine grounding, given how quickly this has already deteriorated, seems short term. I'm going metal now!

@adi2082 2 года назад

Would be good to see how the Hey Cafe H1 compares to these grinders.

@drumaasepp9899 2 года назад

Very much enjoyed this extended review! I own a Eureka Mignon Specialita as the price jump to the Niche was just too steep. The Oro was not yet released when I purchased the EMS and the DF64 was a slight price jump for less convenience. The EMS has 3rd party bellows attachments available, so if I really craved that workflow, it is available to me. IN hindsight, I wish I had chosen the DF64, as having a burr upgrade path is now more attractive than a workflow/retention one. Personally, I understand the Niche - having such low retention with a big simple opening for single dose makes complete sense. I think the Oro and the DF64 are just a bit 'hacked'... I really hope manufacturers steer away from this bellows design as it seems like a stop gap, and from your tests, pretty unnecessary when the Niche can do better without one.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

That's true I think grinders without resorting to needing a bellows to have low retention are usually more consistent as well.

@Goofygreyhoundgoober 2 года назад

I think it shouldn’t be forgotten that it’s easier to get no retention from a conical burr, the geometry is just easier to make work

@MihaiCostiug 10 месяцев назад

Very good points, but I wonder if you think being able to upgrade the burr is worth all the disadvantages of DF64, like more popcorning, lots of static and significantly louder compared to the Mignon? For some reason where I live the Single Dose grinders are cheaper, so my options are DF64 and Eureka Mignon Zero (not Oro), with a 150 dollar bump to Specialita, so I'm leaning towards the Zero, for the reasons mentioned above. Curious if in the last year you changed your perspective on this!

@drumaasepp9899 10 месяцев назад

@@MihaiCostiug it was interesting to have a think about this again. Since this post I’ve been really happy with my EMS. I find for my pallet and the time I have to make a coffee there are plenty of other variables I can tweak to change my cup without me desiring a bigger burr set or switching said burrs out for a 3rd party set. That said ignorance is bliss I suppose. I have my EMS sitting next to a Breville Smart Grinder which I use for guests who have their coffee with 7 metric tonnes of milk. Not wasting good beans on that! Anyway I mention it because the noise levels are dramatically different. I wouldn’t say the EMS is whisper quiet but it is significantly muffled and overall a nicer pitch to hear in the morning. If reviewers are still pitching the Eureka as quiet I’d back that as close to truth. I don’t have issues with popcorning or static. Though there is a bit of static at the coarser end if you’re grinding for filter and conversely, a bit of clumping at the finer end if you’re really pushing the limit of fineness. Hope that helps, I think for the money I paid I’m still happy with the grinder. Haven’t actually wanted to upgrade this whole time so that’s good for something.

@markedwards7601 2 года назад

Great video. As for noise ... my Sette 270Wi wakes up the neighbours!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Mine too!

@arnaudmarch788 2 года назад

I use the DF64 in my business. The main reason I chose it over the niche is purely availibility. It makes excellent coffee for sure. The placement of the switch, the difficulty of aligning the grind setting, the hopper which keeps on falling down as well (I reach it from above) make for a work flow that is less than ideal. I will buy mods to improve it. I fear the eureka oro would have the same tiny imperfections, if not worst, and comes with a higher tag price

@putuagya Год назад

im about to choose DF64 also for small business as well.. above that issues that you've mentioned, do you find another issue maybe?

@i2ambler2002 Год назад

@@putuagya beware of the df64's fine aluminum threads. Mine only lasted about a year.

@h3h3podcastclipper Год назад

It's a matter of time for Chinese manufacturers to start producing knockoff Niche.

@user-rz4jx4el9b 7 месяцев назад

@@h3h3podcastclipper do you know df64 is a pure chinese brand?

@Maybaby1959 Год назад

Nothing beats The Niche for a conical. Workflow etc.

@DJaquithFL 2 года назад

The Niche Zero costs $700 (at least no more weird ordering hoops; 2 months), the DF64 costs $425 (easy to buy; immediate) and I won't even consider buying Eureka (easy to buy; immediate). Trying to do pour overs and espresso are nearly impossible on Eureka, if sharing the grinder with multiple family members and trying to remember how many damn turns you've done on the dial, lots of wasted coffee and wasted time. Eureka really and desperately needs to fix that "dialing system," as is it really sucks, if they want to be competitive in this market space.

@DJaquithFL 2 года назад

BTW .. I'd love to see an OEM Modded DF64.

@jaekimchi 2 года назад

I want that white Niche so bad.

@rjejames28 2 года назад

I just got my niche and the one thing I was surprised about was the filter coffee. If you go off the scale a little bit it was very tasty.

@450gmo 2 года назад

Try a natural processed coffee using the 40:60 method with the dot up near the 12 o'clock position. Delicious.

@rjejames28 2 года назад

@@450gmo thanks I'll try that

@Adamsh386 Месяц назад

The SVU sound is a nice touch

@AlternativeBrewing Месяц назад

😂 thanks ! You one of a hand full of people who recognised it 🫶

@Adamsh386 Месяц назад

@@AlternativeBrewing 🤣

@Girvo747 2 года назад

Also, dB readings are standardised as 1 metre away in a reflection free environment (outside basically lol)

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks! I can do the the 1m away 👌

@zacp96 Год назад

for noise its also the pitch of the sound!

@christofferkloster2342 Год назад

I find it a bit difficult to be consistent with the pour-over. I'm curious about which grinder setting you used on the Niche Zero to get 500-600 µ?

@Danylevy12 2 года назад

Great video and loved the detail and attention to all aspects of these grinders. I feel like you really can't go wrong with any of these :) I recently bought a Eureka Oro single dose and haven't received it yet. I love the aesthetics, it has great retention and I'm looking for flat burrs for their taste profile. Fortunately, I have about a month to change my mind. I'm a bit concerned mainly due to the fact that I will be using it mainly, to start, for pour-overs. Is there a concern with the grind being a bit too fine or not having enough range for manual brewing? Is the grind consistent and uniform for this use case? The 65mm flat burrs seem pretty darn good to me and they will last a long time, but will I ever feel the need to upgrade the burrs? Also, for the workflow, I feel like ill be able to remember how many turns I've made when I switch from espresso to pour-overs. Has anyone had a lot of trouble switching between the settings to the point where they simply can't or don't want to dial the grinder between these settings? Would you feel comfortable switching it, let's say, a couple times a day? Is it doable? Any advice here would be highly appreciated, I really want to feel happy about my purchase and hopefully not change my mind.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

No concern with grind quality - you'll be able to find the grind you need. You'll basically never need to change the burrs 😂 they'll seriously last a lifetime - unless its in a commercial setting. In terms of switching - I only found it a mild inconvenience - but comparing it to say the Niche - it stands out like a sore thumb ...

@Danylevy12 2 года назад

Awesome thanks for the response

@christopherbuchanan5914 2 года назад

We just got the full opinion and comparison results up front, within the first 2 minutes of a 24 minute video. A well-deserved LIKE from me, a quick comment, and now back to watch the rest for the details!

@georgk255 2 года назад

DF64 with SSP. No problems.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

I agree with your assessments of the grinders, I've also had all of them :D But I think the DF64 out of the box is actually more capable than the Oro SD, since mine had issues with clogging up so the bellows never worked, at least the bellows was functional on the DF64. Apparently they are going to fix it for next revision.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing

@gregoryw9 2 года назад

Of all three what’s your pick for the best espresso or milk based?

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

@@gregoryw9 Espresso with light roast df64 or p64 with SSP unimodal burrs (or other ssp burrs) is going to be best. For more traditional rich chocolately type shots, and/or with milk Niche is better. The oro / eureka burrs are somewhere in between not exactly high clarity or high body but a good compromise.

@BensCoffeeRants Год назад

So since then I got a chance to try out the updated v1.1 model Oro SD and it is definitely better. There's less vibration and hopper quality seems better and cut off chute doesn't squeak anymore and the declumper / chute doesn't clog up as badly but it still clogs up a enough to make the bellows basically almost useless and just really annoying to use you need to really beat it and then with bellows it gives inconsistent retention. The best way to use that grinder is without the bellows. It's much more consistent and the retention amount is not so bad that it harms anything. Without the bellows I like the grinder. With it I kinda hate it. Seems like they added a bellows to check off a feature box! And also don't know how to design grinders with a bellows.

@jakobw135 Год назад

What do you think of the Eureka Facile compared to the above lineup?

@jayfurtado9301 2 года назад

Outstanding video! I am considering purchasing a new grinder. I’m currently using a Eureka Mignon Specialita. I’m thinking about the Niche Zero. I primarily brew milk based espresso drinks with dark roast coffee. In your opinion would I achieve better results with the flat burr Eureka or the conical burr Niche…..

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Niche's conical burrs 100%! If it's predominantly milk based espresso drinks with dark roast coffee - I would choose the conical burrs over flat burrs. You'll discover a depth and richness, that'll linger on your palate with the Niche, that will be harder to accomplish using flat burrs.

@phoratio Год назад

Don't overlook the Baratza Sette 270 if you're looking at conical

@slviaalbu1701 2 года назад

Thank you very much for an effective and informative review! I have the Niche and are curious to add a flat burr grinder to my setup to have an alternative to the conical taste profile. I brew espresso and aeropress. If you go a bit up in price, is there a better alternative than the two flat burr grinders in this video? Is there an option at a lower price point than the Lagom P64? Preferably SD or very low retention.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Yeah, the Eureka Atom, or Atom 75. Both large flat burrs and produce nice fluffy grounds. You can get smaller hoppers in them too - if looking for single dosing. I cannot comment fully on the retention of these grinders - but they are easily looked over as great flat burr grinders as they appear to be commercial sized Espresso grinders - but I suspect the could easily keep up with the trend

@slviaalbu1701 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks! That one is on my list :)

@danielngu3150 Год назад

Hi there, thanks very much for making this comparison video, this is helpful. Question - I own Baratza Sette 270 grinder. Do you think it is worth upgrading to any of these grinders? I only use the grinder for espresso. Thanks.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Yeah - that depends on how old the Sette 270 is, and how satisfied you are with its performance. Any one of these grinders is close to end game for a Home barista - (not wanting to spend $$$$ ).. so yes - something like the DF64 Grinder will bring a degree of clarity and flavour to the coffee that a Baratza Sette will not. It's also more durable and more modifiable for upgrades ...

@Laz_Arus 2 года назад

08:03 I can't recall ever having the urge to make an espresso during the wee-wee hours of the morning. I'm more concerned about getting back to sleep before my alarm goes off. 😁🛏😴

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

😂 😂 😂 NICE!

@RobertoOrtis 10 месяцев назад

How would the df83 v2 compare?

@Brazonthefly 2 года назад

I would agree that the Niche is great for a Conical burr machine, just a shame the way that the company makes it unavailable and although service is good, the way that it is handled is less then desirable, sending electrical parts out to a consumer with instructions to install themselves, might be ok in some parts of the world but in Australian there is a reason there is a licence for electrical work!

@ThunderRunner 2 года назад

Which SSP burr is being used? High uniformity or multipurpose? Apologies if i missed you mentioning in the video.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

The standard burrs that come with the DF64 which are Multipurpose 👍

@TomJones-tx7pb 2 года назад

I hand grind and I am pretty sure I am not generating much noise at all (other than the occasional grunting if the grind setting is one click too fine). My Niche is on its way to me as I type this, although I am a bit apprehensive that I may have wasted my money as I have grown to like hand grinding with my 1Zpresso JX-Pro. It gives my hand grip and forearms a bit of a workout and I have grown to feel when the coffee is being ground reasonably properly.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

I thought the same thing! 😂 give it a week or two of not hand grinding - plus when dialling the coffee in with a HG, I find it a bit of a chore (here we go again!) Whereas with the Niche - I just pop another dose in and grind away to perfection 👌

@TomJones-tx7pb 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing I am hoping I come to the same conclusion as you. " I just pop another dose in and grind away to perfection" My 1Zpresso setting does not drift from dose to dose, so it only needs tuning for different coffee batches, and then maybe the occasional click up or down for OCD perfection.

@gnauben Год назад

@@TomJones-tx7pb i have the same grinder but big issues with consistancy. it seems like the speed in which i grind greatly impacts the grind size, which makes it hard to keep it dialed in. did you experience similar issues?

@TomJones-tx7pb Год назад

@@gnauben No I grind with it at about one revolution of the handle per second. Basically as slow as I can without stalling. I have been using the Niche Zero for about a year now and that is very consistent. It also does not drift out of calibration. I extract with a peak extraction rate of 1.5g/s. If a new coffee runs between 1-2g/s peak rate, then a simple click gets me back where I want to be. I have a Niche Duo on order, and am looking forward to seeing how that changes the extraction.

@matthewdegroot1985 2 года назад

Love the law and order effects lol

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

8:30 I think the best way to measure noise is to use a noise meter (or just a cheap app on your phone) but be aware to keep it always at the same distance, as well as provide your opinions on which sounds the least or most offensive in your hopefully unbiased opinion, as decibels don't always give you the whole story. I'm not sure grinders are all getting more quiet, since the Specialita was definitely more quiet than the Oro SD I had!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for the tips! - In this video I didn't edit the noise to be any less than how it was filmed. Hoping this may also, over and above the visuals of the dB reader, and indication of their nuances. The Niche is my pick, although 10-15 seconds longer in grind time is a much more pleasant sound to listen too. I don't see grinders getting any less quit than around the Specialita's 55dB ... maybe a stretch to 50dB - would be happy to be wrong - unless they reduce burr RPMs and lengthen the time of grinding. I feel like there's going to be a tradeoff somewhere - just like temperature stability too... you can't grind beans without creating friction and heat - reduce this in certain ways always create a larger grinder body, or imperfect burr geometry/burr chamber retention/ noisy fans etc... Love the fact that the grinders do have a fair way to go to catch up with technology that's available to them

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing I actually made some videos where I tested temperatures of the grounds coming out after I noticed the Eureka oro single doser grinders coffee was noticeably warmer to the touch vs the DF64 or other grinders I had used, It is much faster though. The Atom 75 IS super fast and even more quiet than the Specialita or Niche but not ideal for single dosing it's a beast. It also had about same temp ground coffee out of it as the Oro SD. About 106f-110f vs Df64 or lagom p64 which was around 96-99f I don't think it really is enough to make a difference unless you're grinding a lot of coffee at once. Just thought it was interesting it was noticibly warmer.

@3omar_a7maad 2 года назад

side question: what's the name of that scale?

@ictii7526 2 года назад

Thanks for a great video especially the part that compares their taste profiles. I was considering the Oro or DF64 since Niche shipping posts a challenge for my country. After this video, I’m reconsidering knowing Niche gives the fullest body. Do you think changing the DF64’s burr set to SSP from its stock burr set helps with giving a fuller body?

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching! No, the SSP burrs are only going to magnify the clarity and cleanliness of the coffee, speed up grind times -as well as extend the overall peak performance of the burrs themselves. So if body, texture and a lingering aftertaste is your preferred Flavour profile, I'd be looking at a Conical Burr grinder for sure.

@ictii7526 2 года назад

Thanks, @@AlternativeBrewing Great to learn these burr characteristics. I have a much better idea of what to get now. Once again, appreciate the video.

@viavelum Год назад

Now that some reviewers got their hands on a DF83 grinder, what is the verdict between the DF83 and the Niche Zero for espresso coffee? Thanks for all the great videos!

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

I'd be close to saying DF83 for the win. Since this video - I have no qualms replacing burrs with a better set, and chasing optimal performance in a grinder - the DF83 is a great grinder out of the box, however SSP are working on newer 83mm burrs, which is just too goo dto ignore!

@LJ-wo1wf 2 года назад

8:30 - watching the noise spectra of the grinders, I think an “unpleasantness rating” of some sort would be useful. The Eureka and DF64 have an annoying, peaky resonance in the upper mids, and the Niche sounds flatter.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

😂 100% yes! The Niche has a lower RPM of the burrs - being conical - it's as low as 330 rpm. Whereas the DF64 and Eureka's flat burrs have to spin at 1400 rpm +

@LJ-wo1wf 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing Holy moly, that's a big difference. Now I wonder, though, how they'd compare to the Ode since it also uses flat burrs (also at 1400 rpm, yes?).

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

@@LJ-wo1wf SSP unimodal multipurpose burrs are the highest pitch unfortunately but great burrs. I agree I like niches low rumble. The Specialita was also pretty quiet and Atom 75 is a super fast super quiet beast but not ideal for low retention single dosing of course. :) So kinda disappointing their latest Oro grinders were louder than previous and even ' lower end ' grinders like Specialita and I assume Silencio etc (never tried those smaller mignons).

@saltyolive_ 6 месяцев назад

Nice comparison. I happen to own the niche and recently got the Eureka Single dose. wanted you thoughts. I onyl drink espresso/Americano. would i say that Niche really works well with dark roast. the Eureka somehow , coffe taste sweet and very balance while its really on the brighter side compared to niche... will you say flat burrs better for epresso lover exploring medium roast mainly?

@AlternativeBrewing 6 месяцев назад

Yes, I'd agree with this for the most part. Specifically lighter, fruit forward flavours over full body, nutty and chocolate forward coffee - go Flat Burrs 🫶

@jasonevans8914 Год назад

Alternative brewing any recommendations of a grinder for light roast?

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

The Df64 would be the best all-rounder for sure. All depends on how you enjoy your coffee too. Fruity, high clarity and sweetness - DF64 for sure. A little more robust, with somebody - the Eureka. All body, sweetness and less clarity - the Niche

@makeme.coffee 2 года назад

Am I the only one who still likes grinder that comes with hopper? Dun really care abt retention

@Simssss888 2 года назад

The noise measurement is something i always see done wrong. First you need a good qualitiy mike. Then you can eather measure the sound level exposure in 'hearing Position'. Typicall would be 1m away from the grinder or ina kitchen scenario it's likely to be a bit closer like 80 cm. You decide. But be sure to always measure the same way und show how you done it so your viewers can understand the result. Point the mik towards the grinder! And do not lay it down on the table, you should hold it in the air (same thing with reflections of the table, i also don't lay my head on the table while grinding ;)) Also a thing to consider is the room und the place of the grinder here. If you have the grinder in a corner with flat walls around, the results will get a few dB higher because of reflections. I would rather measure it on a more open table in the middle of the room and tell your viewers, that it could be louder or quieter depending on the suroundings. Also: 65dB is normal speaking Volume. But you can't compare that with noise, because if you measure a grinder with a sum of 67dB, it could be that there are some frequenzies even higher than 80-90dB (can damage you ears) but lower frequenzies are below 60dB why the sum is 67dB. Something to keep in mind for yourself:) Some grinder may have higher peaks than others, even if they are the same volume in sum. Adding a subjectiv rating of the noise is also a good thing in my opinion! Hope that helps!

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Legend! thanks for the tips and extra info 😀 - a novice in the realm of noise quality - I only just learnt that dB's go up in the power of ten! (is that right?) so 70dB is in fact 10x louder than 60db - not just 10dB" louder. 😂 "i also don't lay my head on the table while grinding ;))" Very true! I actually lift the Niche Zero off the kitchen bench at home - as I feel the vibrations make the whole operation louder!

@Simssss888 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing Yes thats true! Imagine how special our ears are. a jump from 30dB to 60dB means it is a 1000x times higher sound pressure! But we hear from 0dB to 100dB! Good point with the vibrations, which is also a point to consider^^ I wanna say: Your review is on of the best out there on these grinders and you you did really well comparing them! The Taste test is really interesting there. If you are on a budget, would you recommend buying a Eureka Mignon Silenzio/specialita for single dosing or rather buy the DF64? I could not put a Baratza Sette in my kitchen with that horrible sound! ;)

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

@@Simssss888 haha yeah the Sette's are something else 😂 IMHO a DF64 for a margin more over the Specialta, and you're getting way more value for your money there. Neither Eureka's were designed for single dosing - and the Silenzio is quiet - but they're 50mm burrs! only 2mm more than many quality hand grinders. So for everything as an upgrade to that - I would say the DF64 is the smartest option

@Simssss888 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing thanks your insight!

@kristoforusranandiasuliset3736 6 месяцев назад

In term of taste between df64 gen 2 and mahlkonig 54x, which one is better?

@AlternativeBrewing 6 месяцев назад

Pending a conclusive test- as the DF64 g2 is relatively new, and I haven’t compared these two - I would guess to say the Df64 still.

@Nickporter17 2 года назад

Anyone know if these were seasoned?

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

All were seasoned grinders - but not, grinders that were "Fresh out of the box - seasoned in the exact same way".

@jamesd8458 День назад

JUNE 2024 - EUREKA SD STILL WAY TOO MUCH VIBRATION. I purchased this grinder new in Australia. I had read all about the first batch's vibration issues, and that they'd been resolved. Sadly, these ORO Single Dose units still have 3-4 times the vibration of Eureka's upright grinders, even vs the XL with same 65mm burr set. I was shocked and disappointed, so I drove to the distributor to compare the Eureka range. The vibrations on their display Single Dose were almost as bad as the one shipped to me. I believe it is a fundamental flaw with the 15 degree tilt of the motor.

@jaxthename 7 месяцев назад

That was exhausting right eenuff. But you got there.

@AlternativeBrewing 7 месяцев назад

😂 thanks for watching

@vxgas 2 года назад

Thanks for the through review. Next comparison: Niche vs Lagom P64 , please

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

I've had them all. Df64 and P64 with the same burrs should be similar but p64 you have a more beautiful grinder less fussing around and cleaner workflow with no bellows, less retention without a thick silicon declumper screen the df64 has, also p64 is quieter, has variable RPMs and the accessories it comes with are very nice as well. But a lot more money. Basically the niche and eureka are probably closer together taste wise since I find eureka burrs to blend flavours together in a conical like fashion although body and mouth feel and workflow ease of use is gonna be a lot better on niche zero. P64 is about as nice to work with as a niche zero but p64 is high clarity the niche is higher body. Both would be a perfect combo. Havent watched the video yet so curious what they say if it correlates with my findings.

@adammacfarland6415 2 года назад

I prefer removing the whole bellows for the DF64 when loading beans. It’s much more straight forward than trying to seat the metal cap in the rubber.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for the tip! Yeah - I've seen people do this as well. If there's not much time between placing it back on - then I'm guessing you're not finding the beans quickly pop out before then?

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

if you have a 3d printed anti-popcorn mod it kinda makes you more inclined to use the lid rather than removing the whole bellows but before I had that I was just removing the bellows. Popcorning never was really much of an issue, but the mod does allow you to 'hot load' dropping beans into the running grinder, and reduces the stray bean fragments that end up hopper area.

@adammacfarland6415 2 года назад

@@BensCoffeeRants I was able to design an anti popcorn funnel that allows you to take off the whole bellows while not disturbing the funnel. It is a press fit, so it doesn’t move at all. I’ve tried to post about it on RU-vid before, but it always gets removed.

@adammacfarland6415 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing that is correct. I don’t experience much issue until the last of the beans are in the burrs.

@adammacfarland6415 2 года назад

@@BensCoffeeRants the design is on Thingiverse. It’s called ‘The Ultimate DF64 Anti Popcorn Funnel’.

@antant06 10 месяцев назад

This is pretty awesome. I have a mazzer super jolly at home. Are any of these an actual upgrade from that? Or is it more of a side grade??

@AlternativeBrewing 10 месяцев назад

Side grade for sure. Most people have forgone the Mazzers - as they appear like Commercial grinders - though essentially are just as good - and certainly market tested 👌 I'd look at getting a sweet set of burr in the Super Jolly and you'll be right

@antant06 10 месяцев назад

@@AlternativeBrewing thanks, I bought it from a distressed cafe sale and cosmetically, the grinder body has taken a beating but the thing just keeps on running. It has had only one burr set change over about a near 10 year period lol. Time to get my order in!

@antant06 10 месяцев назад

@@AlternativeBrewing I’m on your website - which SSP 64mm grinder burrs are best for a balance of clarity, juiciness and body? The burrs are getting an upgrade an the machine is a linea micra. We normally buy Tim Adam’s specialty coffee, padre, supernumerary coffee, as we are located in Brisbane.

@AlternativeBrewing 10 месяцев назад

@@antant06 i would say the Lab Sweet Burrs 👌

@antant06 10 месяцев назад

@@AlternativeBrewing sweet, ordered :)

@touchtm5534 2 года назад

I don't want do modify the grinder myself. For that amount of money I pay, I expect a good final product. I don't understand the fans of the DF64.

@Goofygreyhoundgoober Год назад

I think the appeal is that with a few modifications, you can match grind quality of grinders 2-3x the price of the DF64 which I find very appealing

@BarAlexC Год назад

Would you say that df64 is a good compliment to a kinu (I own one), while niche would somewhat overlap? After 4 years, I want an electric

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Hi there! Thanks for your question. Yes 100% having a Kinu HG, along with a DF64 - that's a very good combo. The DF64 has more clarity in the shots over say the Kinu even 👌 The Niche - is a great Grinder - love it for workflow - but it is more akin to the Comandante in flavour profiles.

@Nikitikitavvi Год назад

@@AlternativeBrewing I thought it's other way around haha. I thought Kinu gives that chocolatey "niche" profile... I currently have Comandante (love it). But I do want to upgrade to an automatic grinder and thinking between DF64 and Niche... So would you say DF64 would better complement my Comandante in that case? As to provide different tastes. Or Niche still would be a winner? I originally thought of using Niche for my medium roasts with milk drinks and comandante would be reserved for lighter roasts straight shots. Did i get it all wrong? >

@harpy2602 4 месяца назад

I'm not a super taster by any means, and I do prefer med/dark roasts with chocolate/nutty notes,low/no acidity.... but I HATE the look of the Niche (and don't love that you can't put a bellow on it. Would it be a mistake to get an Oro, Specialita, or something similar? Basically every reasonably affordable conical grinder people espouse has something I HATE (the Niche's design, the DF64's god awful screeching sound while grinding...), but I don't want to waste my money on a grinder that turns out a drink I won't like

@dommymac7458 2 года назад

I'm confused- I drink French press and filter coffee mostly with milk- which would make the best tasting coffee out the box?

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Niche Zero 👌 Better body and texture, and this suits milk drinks more

@dommymac7458 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing thats great, thank you! One more question which would be better Niche or the fellow ode (without spp burrs) for these type of coffees?

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

@@dommymac7458 Still the Niche 😀 In my experience, Milk based coffees benefit most from Conical Burrs, more than Flat

@dommymac7458 2 года назад

@@AlternativeBrewing thats great thanks for being so helpful! cheers ☕️

@lewisgale8859 Год назад

The fact that on your website the df64 is currently almost 1/3 the price of the niche, it makes it hard to consider them direct competitors!

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

this is true

@hussainmahmoud7881 7 месяцев назад

Recommendations Niche Zero/Niche DUO / D64 Gen 2 for Espresso-Milk based only ?

@AlternativeBrewing 4 месяца назад

Price not an option? Niche 👌 - if looking for an incredible option for a budget - DF64 gen2

@hussainmahmoud7881 4 месяца назад

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you. I got niche zero and happy with results of milk based drinks. Your videos have been helpful and appreciate your response.

@Serafiniert Год назад

I would've gotten the Niche, if it weren't for the ridiculous price. With customs and taxes the thing will cost around 700-800 €. It is a great grinder, but it is not a 700 € grinder. For that money I can get a DF64 with SSP burrs. I will go for the DF64, or wait for the Timemore Sculptor 064S, if that one lives up to its promises.

@beijingpengzi4056 2 года назад

weirdly it tasted like 92% Somali choc to me, hints of quality streets blue bonbon

@Iceman-xe7jo Год назад

Looks 1# Niche 2# Eureka 3# DF64

@judgeholden849 2 года назад

DF64 gang Protip: you don't need any of the mods prescribed in this video

@80goal 2 года назад

I'm shopping a new grinder. I'm sorry to say that I feel such video (and many others including james Hoffman review) is a publicity for the niche. I have hard time to believe a recent grinder company produces products better products than Eureka who has been fabricating grinders for more than 100 years. That's besides Italy is the espresso home

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

I see where you're coming from. It's akin to an Apple or Android dilema 😂

@HaloFreaker 2 года назад

How does this compare to my Breville Smart Grinder?

@Komputiker 2 года назад

These are all better in every way, with a bigger pricetag...

@HaloFreaker 2 года назад

@@Komputiker I thought that Breville is superior. I have the best machine available from them. The dual boiler.

@Yirgamalabar 2 года назад

@@HaloFreaker The Breville grinder is better if you're looking to fill the hopper with beans and use a timer for on-demand grinding, which none of these support. But in terms of grind quality, retention etc, these three are all better. And of course the Dual Boiler is an espresso machine, so apples to oranges in the context of a grinder comparison.

@skyking9248 2 года назад

Really liking my Oro SDG. Don’t care for the look of niche, or the fact that it’s a couple years old and made in China, but somehow still has a waitlist. The wait would have actually been shorter for the niche than the Oro, but I love the angular look and black color with wood accents.. also I’m pretty sure, after seeing many other reviews on YT, that I got lucky with my order. I’m getting .00-.02 retention max and it sounds much quieter then what I see in reviews. The fact that the world seems so obsessed with Niche is also a turn off for me personally. I’m glad so many people enjoy it though. if they release a new version in the future I’ll pick it up, but for now I’m definitely happy with the Oro ;) ☕️☕️

@ethan073 2 года назад

I really want/wanted the Oro too. The aesthetic was a big part of it, and I don’t love the look of the Niche. The vibration issues and lack of versatility in the pour over range (and grind size knob changing setting mid-grind due to heavy vibrations) were the deciding problems for me. Clogging, retention, loose lid/bellows fitment, strange manual gate, and recycled front panel with unused portafilter holder clip area and non-functional button were also quite disappointing turn offs. It’s like they nailed elegance in the aesthetic design, but missed big time in functional design. I really wanted to love it, but today I bought a Niche. Hopefully Eureka will iron out the issues with a version 2. If they do I may even still get one in the future. It’s an exceptionally beautiful machine with great potential, I think it deserved some more R&D time before they released it. Good to hear you’ve had a positive experience with yours though for sure. That makes me more optimistic.

@TomJones-tx7pb 2 года назад

The original KitchenAide food mixers were well made beasts, but then the company got bought out and cheaper internals were used. To get the same mixer today you have to buy a larger and more expensive commercial version from another company. I could see the same happening to Niche, given its popularity and reputation.

@WheresTheAnyKey1 2 года назад

those law and order transitions always scare the shit out of me

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

😂 flashbacks ?

@BobStCyr Год назад

keep in mind that the decibel measure is logarithmic- that means that 3 db more is a significant amount so - the niche is quite a bit quieter.

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

This is true! Thanks so much!

@Grymyrk 2 года назад

The obvious winner here is the DF64, it's comparable to the other two and it's significantly cheaper.

@maxwalker4121 2 года назад

Any recommendation for a grinder that includes a list of mods and add ons required to deliver good coffee is no real recommendation.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Fair point - the DF64 is great without all of these suggestions - it seems these mods - are add-ons making a great grinder close to perfect - (this is my understanding of it). I've been very happy with the results from the DF64

@sa7el Месяц назад

Eureka single dose > niche + d64

@AlternativeBrewing Месяц назад

great combo

@tunatech Год назад

Batter acid hahahah

@fergusmoloney 2 года назад

€420 for the df64 vs €600 for the Oro and €745 for the niche. This is a pointless comparison video given the huge variance in prices. It also really makes me question what’s going on behind the scenes with so many youtubers recommending the niche over products nearly half the price.

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

AWe have a saying, you get what you pay for 😂 The DF64 makes the perfect investment - but the NIche is a great grinder that has stood the test of time with its performance & is priced accordingly

@arnaudmarch788 2 года назад

I think it is mostly because it's not a big price difference from a pro point of view, while from a consumer point of view, it kinda is

@andema83 2 года назад

Here in Germany the price for the Niche would be about 780 €, shipping and tax included. And thanks to inflation it's getting even more expensive 😫.

@thatmansonfire 2 года назад

@@andema83 it's 1200€ equivalent in Aus, if you buy from this company. If you buy direct from Niche it's more like 800€

@jamezors667 Год назад

If only the Niche or DF64 weren't made in China, I would much rather support countries which aren't threatening/supporting war.

@ijuvatar 2 года назад

this is some real high level bullshit i must say, but whatever sells your product amirite? haha lol end time capitalism is funny

@AlternativeBrewing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@wasurejisanbi 2 года назад

I'll give you the constructive criticism. The law and order transitions were really weird and out of place for a video like this. Every time I started to enjoy the video again I got reminded about murder and pedophiles...The taste comparison with flavor notes didn't really make sense (why is it relevant?) to me either so I stopped watching at that point. I wanted to enjoy the video more. I enjoyed your explanations and insight!

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

Much appreciated! Thanks for watching.

@jrhymescrypto 7 месяцев назад

@@AlternativeBrewingsome dumbass comments, don’t listen to that lol. Was funny and easy watcy

@crawdaddyy 7 месяцев назад

Holy shit what a damn baby. Crazy that people like you exist. How could you complain about something SO minor

@vrudelta 5 месяцев назад

Flavor notes in the taste comparison would be to give you an idea of what the differences they might have found in using the different grinders with different burrs on the SAME bean. This is a huge reason why people would considering experimenting with different burrs and burr geometries.

@KingMinosxxvi Год назад

The Niche and the D64 are either a niightmare or 30 percent more in Europe..while the Eureka is actually cheaper than you would get it north america...I can get the oro all in for 550 euro....the D64 (new better version) 520....its 400 dollars in the states. So if the ORO and the d64 (new version) are the same price.....what to do?

@AlternativeBrewing Год назад

DF64 with better burrs 👌 Worth it. Not looking to chase a better burr set - and want to brew mainly milk based Espresso - Oro is a great Grinder. I have one and it's been fantastic