Since publishing the video, Eureka reached out to inform me that the wooden lid should only be used with the blow-up system. If not using the bellows, they suggest using the plastic lid on the hopper. AJ
Really well done review. Easy to follow, to listen to, and gave me the information I needed. Thanks for putting the care and time into doing such a nice job.
I really apricate this review and you taking the time to do the 30 shots 3 different ways. I am glad that i will not need to purposely have to introduce water into the system which could build up over time.. I think you also pointing out that the first shots are going to be off (and that this is common to many grinders when new) was really helpful. A lot of the early reviews were not to good.. but i doubt many of them did as many shots as you did or accounted for the fill of empty voids. All in all I can go to sleep know knowing that the chrome Grinder i got for looks (to match my Lelit Bianca V3 in stainless steel) was not a bad choice.
Nice video. I wish I would’ve bought a single dose grinder rather than the ECM grinder I bought. I’m a 1 shot a day drinker & it would be nice to have an empty hopper with my beans stored to stay fresher. Thanks
Thanks, glad you liked the video. ECM does make some great grinders, but maybe someday single dosing is in your future if it fits your workflow better. AJ
Great video. I’m your website I see reviews complaining of static and messy output of coffee grounds to the cup (coffee grounds ending up around the cup making a mess). Did you see any of this? I’m considering the facile, silenzio or the single dose oro
Hi m, I looked through the 31 reviews of the ORO on website and found 2 that mentioned static. In one, the reviewer says it was resolved. 3 main factors cause static and all are resolvable: Low humidity, very dry beans and brand new grinders before burrs are seasoned with a coating of coffee oil from beans. If static is an issue for any of these reasons a light mist off water on the beans prior to grinding (called RDT) almost always solves the problem. Yopu couyld also just stir the beans with a damp finger prior to grinding. RDT is actually part of the manufacturer recommended prep for many single dose grinders.
Hi Aditya from India, I have just ordered myself the Lelit Bianca V3 Gold edition. I am now looking for a suitable grinder to pair it up with. My focus is only for espresso as I have a barratza encore for filter coffees. Money no object, please share your suggestions. Thanks
Hi a, I recommend a flat burr grinder with a minimum burr size of 50mm. If you are into the process and doing higher-end specialty coffees you may prefer a single dose grinder. Especially if you switch coffees a lot. If using the same coffee type and brewing a lot and want a more streamlined process with consistency grind by weight grinders like the Eureka Mignon libra are good choice: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-libra-weight-based-espresso-grinder?variant=40660616675382 Our reference grinder is the Ceado E37. It has massive 83mm burrs and is available in hopper fed and single dose versions: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black?variant=14409379676219 Hope that helps!
This is going sound daft, but do the numbers actually mean anything on this grinder? I've gone from 1 to 6 and both grinds left me with a wet puck and extremely slow extraction. I am confused 😕
Hi AJ, thanks for the great video! Does the grinder come with both bellow and the transparent container (sits on top)? As well as both lids, transparent and wood? How about the little silver cup you used in the video?
Besides coated burr for longer durability and bigger burr size that allow faster grinder, what else the extra benefit of this mignon against Eureka Zero. Will the different burr affect the ground result, thanks
Hi e, thanks for the question. The larger 65mm burrs in the Oro Mignon produce a slightly more consistent grind particle size. Also less likely to have any clumping in the ground result.
Thank you! I've never used the Mignon Zero but as far as I know it's basically a Specialita without the screen, plus a bellows and fork that can grind into a portafilter or dosing cup. The Oro SD is more closely related to the ORO XL, just minus the screen and plus the bellows, dosing cup, angled design, etc. AJ
If I forget to close the bean hopper tab before putting the beans in, will it explode and die? Is this requirement because the machine can’t start up with beans already contacting the burrs ahead of time?
Hi, can you please tell if you know will Fellow Ode Gen 2 burrs fit Eureka Oro SD? I already have the Oro grinder and I would like to replace Eureka stock burrs with Ode Gen 2 and use grinder only for V60. Lance Handrick mentioned in Oro review that Ode Gen 1 fits, but I am interested in Gen 2, so I would very much appreciate it if you know this 🙂
It appears the newest configuration of this grinder does not include the bellows, or the heavy dosing cup base. The bellows can be purchased separately for around $40, not sure about the base for the dosing cup.
Hi Patrick, the grinder does come stock with the bellows and dosing cup base. The pictures on our product page are early photos from Eureka and need to be updated. Sorry for the confusion. AJ
I've read that the Turbo/XL/Single has a newer and more powerful motor which is great for grinding faster but does this also make it louder in operation than for example the Specialita? I've seen several reports of it being quite a bit louder and vibrates a lot more than the Specialita.
Yes mine had terrible noise level and vibration (see my comment above to Whole Latte Love and my You Tube video). I think this is a major design flaw of this grinder and Eureka should call them back for modifications !
It is marginally louder than the other Mignon grinders due to the more powerful motor, but I didn't find the noise to be offensive, especially at espresso size (going courser for pour over makes the sound a bit deeper). I had no issues at all with vibration. AJ
AJ, great review. Are the bellows and hopper available for other eureka grinders? I have the specialita and would love to make it a single dose grinder like the Mignon.
Thanks! We're not currently selling them separately. If that changes in the future, I'll come back and edit this comment and link to it in the video description. AJ
You can get many 3rd party blower options which work better than eurekas own. But with Specialita I didn't find using a bellows was necessary. There is some retention but exchanged retention wasn't too high.
Great video, just one question: When making the adjustments to the grind size, do you need to have the grinder running (switch on) in order to make the adjustment?
In theory there shouldn't be enough retention between the burrs to require this, but I'm so used to doing it that it's part of my normal routine, particularly when adjusting finer. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks. I do the same if I need to adjust the burrs. Wasn't thinking from a retention aspect, more from damaging the unit. I'll continue to do what I was doing since I'm also so used to it. Good job guys, keep it up 💪
@@Swifties_4_life1989 : normal grinders always have coffee ground between the burrs so to prevent squeezing that coffee and damaging something you have to keep it running while adjusting. This has no coffee between the burrs so no risk when adjusting.
@@Swifties_4_life1989 : I'm ashamed to say I always adjust while it's not running and in 20 years have had zero problems....so it might just be a myth....or luck on my side.
I'm thinking about changing my Baratza Sette 270 to a new Espresso focus grinder. Do you consider the Eureka Oro a better grinder worth the switch ? If not, do you have other grinders that would perform better than the Sette ? Thanks a lot WLL!
Hey master, The Sette uses a conical burr. For espresso, flat burrs are preferred by most. But really depends on how particular you are. I've had wonderful shots from Sette grinders and burr type is just one variable in the brewing process. I do consider the Oro a better grinder than the Sette. Any flat burr grinder with >50mm burrs would be better than Sette from grind quality metric. In our testing, flat burr grinders have lower percentage of fines and coarse particles than conical burrs. Another consideration is build quality. Sette is rather plasticky and has some wear parts like friction ring between micro/macro adjustments and the need to shim burrs after break in to restore fine grinding performance. All that said, I do like the distribution and fluffiness of grinds from a Sette even if they do from time to time have some static issues. To me the Ceado 63mm E series grinders are solid performers. Excellent build, larger burrs and good distro: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2
@@Wholelattelovepage wow thanks for the detailed feedback. It's pretty rare to see channels replying to questions with such details. You guys rock ! So Ceado over Eureka ?
@@masteroli47 It's what we do! Happy informed customers are return customers! As far as Ceado vs. Eureka... Depends on what's important to you. I like the look of Eureka grinders. More modern and smaller footprint - the Eureka Libra weight based grinder is a favorite of mine. Sette 270 Wi capabilities with a machine grade build and larger flat burrs. Ceado build quality is a hair above Eureka and their E series has even larger burrs. But if given the choice of any grinder I've mentioned for daily use I'd probably go with the Libra due to it's easy, accurate weight based output. That's important to my workflow as there's no need to re-weigh grinds when I change grind size - and I do that a lot! www.wholelattelove.com/products/mignon-libra-weight-based-espresso-grinder-in-ferrari-red Marc
I just got my eureka SD but looking and am trying to reach to 0 scale in order to dial in to reach to the espresso grinding size, but every time I do that the results become same based on the extraction time, so any support or suggestions?
Hey, thx for a great video. Hust one question - what is the black storage chamber in 0:59 with a switch on the top? Does it preserve the beans for a longer time than usual storage?
First batch had issues with the declumper holding back the coffee and the bellows not strong enough to actually push through so it essentially does nothing. Do you feel the air coming through the exit chute when you pump the bellows? On mine it would just escape from the hopper seals instead. That was from the first batch of these.
Yes, I feel air coming through the shoot when I pump the bellows. That has not been my experience with the declumper, however I have heard of at least one person removing it, which is easy enough to do if you choose. AJ
I have the same problem, for me it works much better when I start pressing the bellows right before it finishes the grinding and the coffee is still slowly getting out of the chute. Doing this before the coffee stops falling through the chute will help the coffee to fall out easier.
I am more of a pour over type of coffee drinker and very occasional at that. I don't have a whole latte space on my counter top, and I don't really need the convenience of a powered grinder. what are my manual grinder options?
Hi Ivan, I really like the Saint Anthony Industries Millwright hand grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/products/saint-anthony-industries-the-millwright-hand-grinder-for-coffee A more budget-friendly option that would still be capable of good pour over coffee is the Hario Ceramic Coffee Mill Mini Plus: www.wholelattelove.com/products/hario-ceramic-coffee-mill-mini-plus AJ
That's the Bravo portafilter holder, a lifesaver for your countertops: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bravo-aluminum-portafilter-holder We also carry a couple others under the name "tamping station": www.wholelattelove.com/search?q=tamping%20station AJ
Not much new about this review. Lots of people are having issues with this grinders noise and vibration and this video failed to mention anything about it. Is this an updated version of it? Did they made any changes to it all? I want to get one but seems like the xl or specialita is more refined and this is still a work in progress.
I'm not sure if there were updates in those areas between early production units and the one I tested, however I did not have any issues with noise or vibration. It's naturally a little louder than some of the other Mignon grinders due to the more powerful motor, but it's still quieter than most other grinders on the market. AJ
Yes there are updates.. the issues mentioned are with the first release... many of these issues have been fixed. I watched a review on this actually. Forgot the name but the guy opens up the grinder completely and mentions the fixed with his new delivered grinder. Update.. The Wired Gourmet posted a video about the updated version.
Yes, the bellows is included with the grinder. The pictures on our product page are early photos from Eureka and need to be updated. Sorry for the confusion. AJ
No mention of the high noise levels and terrible vibration from this Grinder (see my RU-vid Video I took a couple of months ago). The noise levels and vibration were that bad I had to send my Eureka Single Dose Grinder (bought mid Dec 2021) back to my local UK Eureka Dealer.
Hi Mark, I'm sorry for your experience with the grinder. I personally had no issues with vibration at all. The noise is naturally a little louder than the rest of the Mignon line as it has a more powerful motor spinning the burrs at faster RPMs, but I didn't find the noise to be off-putting, especially compared to other grinders in this price range. AJ
Apparently this 2nd batch has some tweaks that reduced the vibrations and fixed the issue with the bellows not really working since the declumper / chute was too clogged up to push the air through. But here they don't seem to notice the bellows doing much either, which seems like it might still have that issue. The bellows may actually not be doing anything.
@@BensCoffeeRants From the test runs here it looks like they solved the declumping issue to the extent that the bellows are superfluous now. For his results to not deviate signicantly with RDT and bellows used/not used it looks like Eureka acted like a big car manufacturer and used the early adopters to perform all the field tests and used the problem reporting to solve the issues in the Mk2 production. Would be interesting if the wired gourmet gets one and disassembles it to compare with his Mk1 version.
@@Thetache Awesome if that's really the case. A lot of people thought the bellows was unnecessary with the first version because no extra coffee was coming out but didn't realize it just wasn't doing anything because air was escaping elsewhere.
@ Whole Latte Love, a couple questions.. first . I have a Sette W i.. do you need to WDT? second why with my barista pro did I get 26 gm of coffee from 18 gm coffee and it stopped at 18 seconds?
I'll chip in, WDT is helpful for distributing the coffee before tamping so it's in a relatively even pile, and density is more even when tamping. You could a stockfleth type thing alternatively. And Grind finer for longer shot time.
The Oro XL has a digital screen/timed grinding, larger hopper, portafilter fork, no wood accents, and comes with the Mignon Mat Kit tamping station. AJ
Im in the market for a single dose grinder! How does this one stack up against the likes of the niche or df64 or lagome? I really like the look of this 1. Just dont want buyers regret🤔
The Oro Mignon is made in Italy, and has large flat burrs. Others are not and Niche uses a conical burr. Niche has the entire coffee brewing grind size range of espresso to press in a less than 360 degree turn of the adjustment. Nowhere near as precise in grind size adjustment as the Oro.
Nice video. Does WLL sell the hopper and bellows separately so I can retrofit my existing Mingon grinder? I only single dose so this would be a great option.
Df64 has more burr options, easier to adjust between brew methods and has more clarity and less body than Eureka burrs. If you're into lighter roasts or also want to do coarser brew methods as well as espresso I think it's a better choice (Df64 with sap burrs, any of them really). If you're mainly into medium or darker espresso the Eureka may be better and will do fine for light roasts too just doesn't highlight specific flavour notes as much.
@Brian This _Fellow Atmos Vacuum Canister_ is really nice, I bought two of them (second one for Decaf). Go for the black or white ones, as transparent is no good idea for coffee… ;-)
The Ceado E37Z Hero has 83mm burrs, while this Eureka has 65mm burrs. The Ceado's burrs also have a DLC (diamond like carbon) coating to reduce friction and prevent grounds from sticking. The Ceado provides variable RPM operation and has a much more precise grind size adjustment. The Ceado is built like a tank - it weight 3 times as much as the Eureka, but also costs 6x more. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I understand the technical differences and I understand you’re paying for larger burgers in a much more significant unit what I’m curious about is quality of grinds in subtle taste differences I understand the hardware differences and what you’re paying for I was wanting more insight into taste of the espresso shot
Hmm .. It's a single use grinder, meaning if you want to do your espresso and pour over, you'd need two separate grinders or lose count of how many times you spun around the dial. For the same money and range of use I'd seriously look at the DF64. Eureka really needs to work on that problem.
It's not hard to remember how many rotations, certainly not enough to warrant buying a second grinder. For me it was 23 numbered adjustments different between the two, or two full rotations plus 3 more numbers. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage .. If you're the only one using the grinder, two or three turns isn't the problem. However, typically when you're drinking coffee in the morning half awake, and you're sharing it with multiple people .. it's a *serious problem.*
I have a Specialita which I’ve 3D modded to Single Dose. Mine is double as slow as yours and retention without bellowing is 10% I mill directly into the portafilter as doing it into the Eureka SD cup increases electrostatic. I think that Eureka made a poor design move trying to match it to the niche. Mine is sleeker, simpler, more beautiful and more practical, as the part where the cup would sit is magnetic, detachable and easier to clean. Having to operate the bellow is not nice though. So for that important matter, this model wins. The problem with Eureka is, that going back to a previous setting does not guarantee you the previous grind result. I know this because I make annotations. I think this is because Eureka built this model departing from a system that was design to excel at other departments, which it does.
Thanks for sharing your insight and experiences. It sounds like you have a solution that works for you, even if it's slower and has more retention than the SD model. AJ
Yes, a worse version of it. They just took one of their existing grinders, stuck a bellows on top and some wood accents to give it that Niche look. I doubt there's anything 'single dose' about it other than the bellows. That's to say nothing about the adjustment wheel used by Eureka. It's a nightmare for beginners or those who switch between espresso and coarse grind.
Totally off subject but I am so disgusted with your Moromas Platenia and other Moromas coffees and my baratza 270 wi breville pro ..no matter what I have tried including temp to hottest ,the coffee is sour and I basiclly have wasted 2.2 lb of the Platinea. If this is what I am to expect, I will go back to tea and return all this equipment !!!! No support from WholeLatteLove that helps me.
Hi Ken, I'm sorry you're having trouble with the Maromas coffees. Are you new to espresso, or have you had better luck with other beans in the past? If you're new, here's a quick video explaining some common fixes for better espresso: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-30F1nIF1-v8.html If your coffee is sour, I'd suggest grinding finer to slow down your shot and increase extraction. You can also run the shot a little longer to extract more. Are you weighing your dose and yield? Try a 1:3 ratio, perhaps 16 grams in and 48 grams out in 25-30 seconds. This should help get rid of any sourness. AJ
