Night Lords vs Space Wolves Warhammer 40k Battle Report Ep 27 

I feel like there was a lot more booze involved in Luka's "what are the odds" game than he would publicly care to admit lol

Sevatar was the one who cried out 'Death to the False Emperor' first! Ave Dominus Nox.

"Ulrich the Slayer is obviously everyone's favorite old guy." Bjorn the Fellhanded: "Am I a joke to you?"

“The masonry is FIIIIIINE here, Brothers!” 😂 💀

I would love, if Luca tells us every Episode another reasion why he dyed his hair. Like the Joker with his scars.

Luka: Those Las Cannons just cleaned house. (Of in the distance) Vito: (cursing Las Cannons out of habit)

I saw Night Lord's on notifications AND CLICK!! Josh, more batreps please! Ave Dominus Nox!

Anyone else that doesn’t know anything about how to play and just watches this cause it’s awesome?

Jago Sevatarian was the First to say "Death to the false Emperor"

Luka doing his best AoS fireslayers impression. Also captain Sevatar I believe yelled it first after Logan finished his speach

By the time he was done going over his list Luka managed to say Wolf, (including the varition of Wulf as in wulfen stone) 30 times. He also said beast once. I always consider a drinking game but when it comes to space wolves, use caution.

Luka: "I didn't really bring a shooting list, but that felt oppressive" Also Luka: *two squads of heavy weapons and a gunship with 6 meltas and two lascannons*

Play with more big LoS-blockers. The Sicaran and Dread should have had places to hide such that the Wolves couldn't get LoS to them on turn 1 without being very exposed.

If you can't deploy your heavy weapon units so they have a full and uninterrupted view of the entire table, then congratulations; you're probably using enough LOS blocking terrain.

As another mentioned, Ulrik has an extra Litany so that helps him be even better than a regular one. Just wish he had better mobility. :p And I am so glad that the ObSec rule for the Wolves was corrected. Honestly, it was an obvious mistake to me and I would have run them like any other Marine Chapter. But I digress. :) Love the look of that Night Lords army by the way. ;) Thanks for another great BatRep! I will say that the issue with the first turn really shows when you use single model units that are more powerful. They are much easier to focus fire, so you almost have to hide them. And going second can help you push someone off of Objectives when it is part of the mission.

I am 100% here for this after game ramble. Hearing everyone's thoughts (both these three and the others in the MWG crew) on the game and rules is super interesting to me!

That was a very wholesome BatRep to watch. Love the dicussions between you two and that both of you actually wanted your opponent to win this. More of this please :)

34:31 Sevetar! I freaking love Sevetar! One of my favorites among all Astartes! I'd love to know what he was doing during the books Talon of Horus and Black Legion!

Got to be more obscuring on table. Josh needed to hide the sicarian and dreadnought behind the bit he had. Only the flyer should have got first turn shots. Not enough obscuring terrain is why you guys think going first is still the king. You aren't in 8th anymore

Night Lords say, “Fear us” the same way Jeb Bush says, “Please clap.”

Ulrik knows those plus 2 litanies since he is a master of sanctity

Would love to see Night Lords get their own product line. Feel like it could have some incredible models.

Josh v Luka... Love it. Thanks for the batrep! :)

I gotta say I LOVE seeing you play. This game in particular. Take care y ou all :)

In the rare rules section of the rulebook (at least in the app) the section on "Explodes" says "[...] some models have an ability that gives them a chance to explode (or crash and burn, or lash out with death throes etc.) and inflict mortal wounds on nearby units." This would imply the Vengeance of the Machine Spirit stratagem would still work on the flyer.

The masonry is fine here brother! Fucking killed me 😂. I know it is probably not that funny, but in my head I had small scene when these boyz just checking the walls in middle of a battle 😂😂😂

You also get the extra attacks in your Warlord from the wolf. Personally I love my warlord on a Wolf too. Great job as usual guys!!

my two favorites clash! Nice guys!

I just want to say I needed that explanation. It was bugging me last time cause I needed to know. TYVM.

This was a damn good banter batrep

Probably you guys need to work more on your terrain, specially using more obscuring pieces, if you do it right you will limit the efficiency of the one going first. Btw the already faq the objective secure for the whole arrmy for space wolves, they don´t get it anymore.

I like the idea of the player going second getting their reinforcements turn 1. It is an incredibly powerful advantage - comparable with the ability to shoot the hell out of your opponent turn 1. Plus, otherwise there is really no point to reserves for someone going second - they really arrive after the battle is already lost

It was good to see so many characters Lukas the trickster especially

Man it's a little frustrating watching Luca play sometimes man, Ulrik can know 4 litanies if you're army is battle forged

Very interesting discussion at the end. Last time I played was 7th edition.

I feel like “Chug A Mug” has met a worthy opponent with “What are the odds”! Be gentle with Vito this time...

Lone Wolf can be used in any phase where you have a unit that has been reduced to a single model. Doesn't have to happen in the phase that the unit was reduced to a single unit.

Just once I want to see an optimized Space Wolves list, made of a mix of both minimarines and Primaris, or all Primaris. I've only see it once versus Tyranids, and I genuinely believe Space Wolves are competitive in this edition. It feels like they're played as a gimmick on this channel.

Luka had the perfect opportunity to Lone Wolf that thunder hammer wolf guard vs chosen or the power sword wolf guard vs raptors. For shame! Lone Wolf is amazing.

Great runt at the end.

I still think that the game should alternate units within a round with no 'turns'. This could benefit armies with more units, but it would mean that unless you are one-shotting something, that something can then shoot before it dies (if you choose to activate it next). As others have commented though, more obscuring terrain, especially in the middle of the board, and hiding things in case you don't get first turn, are how you make first turn not so one-sided.

@Luka: I donated my entire space wolf army to MWG a while ago, with it was quite a few Wolf Priest models, done in black and gold armor. Pretty sure all in every load out, power armor, terminator, on a bike and jump pack.

There was an eratta update on 12th August. Space Wolves are back on having just Troops being ObSec.

You guys are so nice, I wish I can experience playing with y'all!

the point of going second is that you can stay hidden and force the opponent out of hiding and moving onto objs. Hopefully depending on how you deployed they move into your firing lanes. going first and getting the first shooting phase doesn't do as much if you deployed well into terrain and they don't have a lot of viable targets. however that could change depending on your opponents army so I feel going second is the stronger option with some situations where going first would pay off

39:00 There should really be enough obscuring terrain to help avoid the turn 1 alpha strike. I don't have 9th edition yet, but in 8th you could have turn one at dawn or in a dense fog, so in the first battle round everybody suffers a to hit penalty to reduce the benefit of going first.Marines are so good though with their re-rolls, I think you would still need obscuring terrain even with a to-hit penalty.

Thank you very much for doing a Report with Night Lords, it’s hard finding them atm.

I think a standard rule should be that the player who does not go first gets +1 to all armor saves for free for the first turn. In 8th they introduced that as a 2cp strategem but my friends and I always make it free when we play. It does slightly help with the turn one devastation.

wait he AlSO DYED his Freaking beard that is hardcore

Finally a Night Lords 9th edition batrep!

Really enjoyed this BR :)

“I’m the best, obviously.” LOL

At my local shop the main reason to go second with reserves is to not have units shot turn one, especially in casual when people don’t know how good something is or when marines are on the table in all honesty half the time I bring in my reserves in my deployment zone which you can do turn one if I’m not mistaken and within the 9” rule or even engagement range on your table edge to discourage some units from getting too close

Crash and Burn specifies that it explodes and Vengeance of the Machine Spirit specifies it includes the Stormwolf. Rulebook mentions Explode abilities or equivalent.

I like the editor's note. Lol

Guna be honest I'm a big fan of the banter after the match that you guys have! Something you never really got when you play people that come in.

Even though Josh's Night Lords always lose, they make me want to make an army of them.

I loved the ramble!

A quick fix could be that each turn is done sorta simultaneously. Player 1 moves, then 2 then player 1 shoots then 2 and finally then assaults. Each turn the players swap numbers but can attempt to seize the initiative. It's could help

What Luka was trying to say is: "I GOT REALLY DRUNK WITH SOME FRIENDS...BEHOLD MY PINK MANE!"

Maybe MWG should dyed their hair it be funny to see what colours they have :)

Idea for what they were saying about person going second getting reserves I believe this'll make it balanced, the person who goes second gets reserves turn one but they can only come in on your deployment zone or no man's land

You guys choosing who went first was possibly the most Canadian moment in 40k history

Josh a good reason to go Second in 9th is that you should get a lot more of an opportunity to kill your opponent. 9th plays with a lot of terrain compared to 8th. The terrain you guys played with in this game would be considered fairly light for a 9th game, There should be or obscuring or dense terrain.

I have just started a Night Lords army for 9th. Only have 1000 points painted up, but appreciate seeing them in a bat rep. helps me see how they play on the table top

I have both SW and NL armies. The new 2 wound for CSM will definitely help both but more so my 8th Legion. I have 3 NL preds, a Levi and two contemptors for my NL for my anti armor. Throw in some chaos bikers and you have a list that can contest objectives and shoot the hell out of anything on the table.

But come on, men! Ulrik knows four litanies and can manifest two. Those litanies which you use are free for all priests in space wolves battleforged armies. And ordinary priest could select one more, but the one-who-raised-Logan could select two more up to four. Why none of the batreppers could do it right? Everyone chooses "the long one" as the custom litany for wolf priests, but it is said, that: "You can either roll one D6 to generate each litany randomly (re-rolling duplicate results), or you can select which litanies the model knows. In addition, if your army is Battle-forged, WOLF PRIESTS in SPACE WOLVES Detachments know the Tale of the Wolf King and the Lord of the Deeps litany in addition to any others they know." (c) Saga of the Beast

respect Luka's classic only space marine, space wolf army.

I can imagine all these Blood Claws and Grey Hunters seeing like 3 legendary heroes of the chapter in their army "By the Emperor! All these might heroes stand by us! What could this mean??" "Probably that everyone who doesn't have a name is going to die" "Ah"

Being the official bullet magnet for a unit of Long Fangs is the Wolf Guard version of latrine duty.

Nice rally for the Night Lords!

I play a lot of different wargames and I feel what is really holding 40k back is the you go, I go mechanic. Games with alternate unit activation seems to be more tactical and balanced. If they would just make turns like they have in Kill Team in regular 40k it would help a lot. Yes 9th dose look unbalanced ( Space Marines ) at the moment but I hope once everyone has a codex drop that the playing field will be even. Again I hope. We will see....

Going second allows you to react to the enemy's successes, like objective tanken and units killed, so you know how much you have to commit and how safely you can play. Like, if you have durable units it is better to rush objectives and force the enemy to try and take them from you, but if you have an army more efficient on the offensive side, it is better to let your opponent advance and then carge her. Also it doesn't make sense to me to still roll off for who's gonna go first. In my local club we play "deploy first and go first" (and I though that was a rule for every mission), so the second player can easily counter your first turn.

OMPA LOOMPA, LOOMPADY DO! I"VE GOT ANOTHER BAT RAP FOR YOU! What do you get when you lose a bet?

@1:57:00 I believe you can Lone Wolf at the end of any Phase when the Unit is down to 1 model, it doesn't have to be the phase that the unit was reduced.

37:35 - The goal to go second is if you run 1k pts space wolves detachment with three packs of blood claws with terminator pack leaders you do not want to go first as you can do literally nothing but move. P.S. Actually, even in that game on first turn space wolves did not too much. And this is 2k pts. Stormwolf with meltas and two packs of long fangs are about 1k pts, actually. And it is not the list you want to bring to 1k pts battle. P.P.S. It kind of nice that you feel bad about destroying your opponent, but it hurts so bad to see that you gives up your guys to not to disappoint him. Not using that "vengeance of the machine spirit" was so bad. And then you lose three of Arjac's shieldbrothers in the explosion. My heart is bleeding... P.P.P.S. 1:04:50 - rune priests are HQ and you need to run two detachments to include them as wolf priest, wolf lord and WGBL are must have. Yes, rune priests are good, but they do not help you with hth, so...

Its not an original idea. However I am of the opinion, that the easiest way to balance the huge advantage of going first, is having the shooting phase happen simultaneously. You remove casualties, after both players have had their shooting phase. Just look at this battle as a prime example, Night Lords are immediately playing with a point loss with the removal of the Sicarian. May as well just have had him start with 1500 points.

Ah yes, 'what are the odds'. A great way to get rid of some leftover food.

I just have a quick question. I am recently getting back into Warhammer 40K I just ordered the new rule book. I was wondering what else should I get to get all the updated rules? Are all the space Wolf Point values in the new rule book? One last one. Are they re-releasing the codexes and if so when is the Space Wolves coming out?

I mean, the hair is sick, but Luca's T-shirt is on another level!

Luka, it specifies that you can do it. And on crash and burn it explodes. Additionally you reduce all dmg Arjac takes by 1. So as written it effects mortal wounds also.

Is that gona be 8 melta shots from the stromwolf when the new multimelta rules come out ? :D HAHA

That actually sounds fun

Josh your terminators that used endless cacophony would of still been able to rapid fire as per malicious volleys rule

Uuhhh night lords, going to join this one, also i would like to see some noise marines

Jaigo 'Sevetar' Sevatarian was the first mad lad to say Death to the faulse emporer

My first and strongest reaction occured when I saw Lucas face.... WHAT THE...

I do enjoy seeing those pre-heresy night lords. Will the new rhinos be deimos pattern?

You actually can set Ulric on the battlefield, inspire the litanies and then embark on rhino at the start of the movement phase. It is allowed as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong. 1:08:07 - Rhino is leadership 9 because of Ulrik, not basic 8. And I'm not sure that the leadership of Ulrik is reduced by chaos marines

Holy crap you guys are in Ontario!?! lol

the beat part was luka telling us how the pink happened

Going Second lets you control the objectives on your first turn from my experiences i play Nids i tend to just get the objectives if i go second due to removing my opponent from them before the start of his second turn where he finally gets to score points

Going second I can see being a big thing for assault heavy lists as it means getting the opponent closer for a 1st turn charge. Potentially for slower units using it as a chance to get to the objectives turn 1 by moving up and assaulting to them. With Sicaran turn 1 kill tbh should have depoyed in terrain, putting stuff in the open you need a roll off success but reeally I think we are going to see deployment being a big thing this ed as people have to work out what to hide but maybe being less movile and what not to hide that can be moble but may be lost to some good early shooting.

I'm not getting used to him looking like a techno dwarf

Yes! Not enough Night Lords shown in bat reps! Edit: lol nevermind space wolves clearly weren’t all meant to have ob sec play fair.

So my 2 favorite fluff legions..hopefully a good battle

Josh if you get rid of that old rhino I will never forgive you...

Right now, 40K is over powered marine armies walking over every other army in the game. GW has some serious work to do if they want a semi-balanced edition.

I take a phobos rune priest and give him the warlord trait target priority to give longfangs +1 to hit with in 3inches. So they can take on most of what gets thrown at them...

he lost his tank during deployment. One reason to go second is to push your opponents off objectives, and in the case of kill more objectives, how many you need to kill.