And think about if she’s the one giving Daemon dreams she’s literally torturing him mentally and making him go crazy.. exactly what Ramsay does to Theon. He just physically tortures him as well. But he definitely mentally abuses him.
Could everything Alys is doing setting up a massive blood sacrifice to the old gods? The sacrifice being two Targaryen princes and Two Dragons. The island of faces in the gods eye. Old gods. The lake becomes blood. Looking like she’s the one who’s steering Aemond and Daemon to fight and die at this place. Sounds like a sacrificial moment.
This is such a good theory!! Also would make Larys story make sense, because she would have manipulated him potentially growing up and instilled his ambitions to tear the Targaryen dynasty apart and bring on the long night
Alys is also a bastard like Ramsey,and injects herself into situations like he does. He deceived Theon by being his savior,then his captor/torturer. Getting that vibe from Alys.
There is some similarity, though I do think Ramsay's smile is by far the creepier of the two, and this shot is not his creepiest smile. Neither character seems to be smiling "with their eyes" in the normal way in these shots, but Alys seems relaxed around the eyes while Ramsay seems to have something else going on with his eyes.
Ramsey and Alys look soo much alike, I cant believe nobody noticed before. Leave it to our Girl GreyArea to put it together. Now how long until we get the ramsey/alys skinchanger memes?
In my headcanon Alys Rivers's son with Aemond goes on to found House Whent, making her an ancestor of Catelyn Tully on her mother's side and making the legitimate Stark children part Targaryen and possibly even rescuing the show's stupid decision to have Arya kill the Night King.
I have missed regular ASOIAF theory videos so much. Used to watch your videos during a tough time at uni during the run of the original show and lived for your content. Good to see you back!
ikr, why are all the other ytubers sleeping on this? Like Michael and LML do a bit at least. ShwiftX and Glimbus don't do theories but at least are funny when they report on them. The Cat girl is incomprehensible and her mic sucks, I wish she did a crowdfunding. Dragon demands and Preston are busy rambling about random personal issues. RedTeam review, Emergency Awesome and rest are just regurgitating very old news and don't fact check and aren't funny like Shwift. Joe the magician will occasionally put out 1 theory a year but is just salty and bitchy all the damn time about George and other ytubers.
@HisameArtwork If you like theories, check out David Lightbringer. His videos are LONG in a lot of cases but the ones I've seen have all been very well researched and entertaining.
Starks got a long history of blood. They also fought with the Barrow Kings for a long time Honestly, that'd be a dope prequel of the Stark Kings of the past waring with everyone. Just a continuous show of blood, sweat and ice... ... Get it cuz their sword's name is ice... I'll see myself out
I've been watching over and over too. I don't think her intentions are malicious. She's a witch/sorceress for sure. She seems genuinely concerned about the people who will suffer because of the war & reminds Deamon of that..... In the same way the Brothel woman tells Aemond that when princes war with each other it's the small folk who suffer the most. Aemond is naked in the fetal position though... Daemon keeps being shown with "blood on his hands". Maybe there's something to that.. I think Alys may be looking to get pregnant. In episode 4 she puts her hand below her belly and asked Daemon if he plans to make his own claim. Once she realizes it's not him, she gives him the weirwood paste to help him "sleep" (open his third eye) to win harrenhal to his side.. to awaken his gifts and eventually wed him to the trees, like bloodraven told Bran... I'm sure she knows of the prophesy. Maybe she's trying to fulfill it in some way? Dragon blood and whatever blood she has...First men/ Children of the forest. The Dragon Dance being a massive blood sacrifice maybe for her to have a child.....Like Dany's human blood sacrifice to hatch the dragon eggs........ In the books she supposedly has Aemond's child. Not sure what became of him. Is there any mention of that in the books? I didn't find anything online about it.
i can't find that video here on yt but someone has this theory that alys rivers is the green queen in the stormlands. but alys being a bolton is also interesting. now i don't know what to believe anymore 🤔 lol edit: i just found the video and it's from this channel as well 😹😹😹😹
The babies Craster donates to the Night King end up as White Walkers. They hold some sort of supernatural power and they are the ones that lead the wights (White Walkers usually have the white beards and longer white hair. They are tougher and more skilled in battle than wights.) Wights are the rotting zombie like undead that we see following the white walkers.
But Roose’s book description is crazy similar! I linked the original theory for the Bolton theory in description, it’s a very good theory with a lot of evidence. I just don’t understand if they freeze the babies how do they continue to grow.
I dont think I've ever seen a show cast characters who are explicitly siblings, with actors who look that uncannily similar. Like holy crap do they look alike, but I feel like that wouldve been unbelievably difficult to pull off on purpose, so without any book descriptions that link them, I cant help but think its a coincidence
Great video! Some further evidence to support this theory: I’ve always assumed that Alys Rivers is named after the character Gray Alys from GRRM’s 1982 fantasy story “In the Lost Lands.” Like Alys Rivers, Gray Alys is an enigmatic witch woman. GRRM is on record saying that he always liked the character and wanted to write more stories about her but never got round to it, which lends credence to the idea that he might have recycled some of her traits when he created Alys Rivers. But what’s really interesting about Gray Alys is that (SPOILER!) the climax of the story involves her staking a werewolf to the ground (in essentially the exact posture of the flayed man on the Bolton banner) and then flaying him alive to make a cloak from his hide that can be used to magically steal his shapeshifting powers. Gray Alys is a master of this kind of magic: before flaying him, she actually defeats the werewolf by donning a cloak of bird feathers that allows her to turn into some kind of giant eagle. So, “In the Lost lands” has a witch character called Gray Alys with mystical visionary powers, and “Fire and Blood” has a witch character called Alys Rivers with mystical visionary powers. And “In the Lost Lands” has someone who flays a wolfman, while the ancestral Boltons in the AsoIaF universe are also known for flaying Stark wolfmen. So, it does seem to me that GRRM definitely re-used aspects of Gray Alys when he created both Alys Rivers and House Bolton. Another GRRM story, “The Skin Trade,” also features a villain who flays werewolves, and the badguy in that story is pretty clearly a proto-Bolton. GRRM even uses similar language to describe him (e.g., he has “eyes like dirty ice”). So, I think you are definitely onto something with the Alys Rivers / Bolton connection. It all adds up pretty well.
Let me try this again because my original comment seemed to confuse some people. The Night King theory is just obviously false because we see who it is in Game of Thrones when the children of the forest bound one of the first humans to the tree to create him. I was also saying that theory seemed to come from a bait engagement post that went viral. Apparently, that theory stemmed from another theory that seems more plausible is that Daemon is the Night Kings General.(My personal tin foil hat theory is that Daemon becomes a Greenseer or some sort of precursor to the Blood raven.) I like the stuff about Roose. He seems important but doubt he is that important. I also dont know as much about this character as I am still learning.
I also want to say I like this RU-vid Channel and never have the intention to try to insinuate she is making a click bait video. That's false. I was saying where I believe that silly Night King Theory came from.
Just one thing going all the way back to how this whole conflict started: Where the hell was the moon tea when Rhaenyra was getting knocked up by Harwin Strong? Everyone just conveniently forgot that was an option?
She doesn't seem like just a maester replacement at all using the magic of the old gods. She's obviously a bastard with the name rivers. But id be more inclined to believe she's of the riverlands than of house Bolton or shed have the surname snow. But being 400 years old it's hard to know anything
I always find the wet nurse to the strongs concept interesting given rhaenyra and break bones relationship and subsequent offspring. She is providing quite a parallel to rhaenyra as a mother figure to strongs and woth the targaryen style connection to blood magic and alys pregnancy to aemond it could be that she was using the laws of nature to influence targaryen blood.
The world will be a better place, if people dare to called out others, whose being rude, regardless what teams they are, especially when somebody just making fun theories
Maybe in the story the pale woman who he gave his seed and soul to was a Bolton. And the knight king was a Stark, it was a way from them to war with the Starks in a way.
I mean Fire IS the biggest threat to Ice, and with the prophecy being so front in center it would be thematically appropriate for ice to be a part of the plot. She wants the dragons to kill each other so that the prince that was promissed can't defeat the walkers.
Duuuuuude I wad just thinking about this,she fits the description to the T with those cold creepy gray eyes Reminded me so much of the book description of Roose and Ramsay I guess it makes sense somewhat as the Strong's are of first man origin and dark hair and gray eyes are prevalent traits among their descendants
This is wild theory. Thank u for exploring this. I always wondered what happened with 19 babies the Whitewalkers took? Alice definitely looks like Ramsey Bolton? 😮
Ramsey was next skin for Roose Bolton. He wants children to have his eyes because it means he could take the body if he needs it. I suspect that not all the Boltons don't have the gene and the Roose's natural born son didn't have his eyes. Roose Bolton wasn't too upset about the death of his son by his bastard. If Ramsey didn't have his eyes and Roose Bolton would dispatch him over his son's murder. Alys Rivers, if she is 400 years old. I suspect it was she who inspired Harranhall to build this castle as fortress against armies or Targaryen dragons. Alys Rivers knew exactly what would happen if built a place out of Weirwood. Harranhall is a hinge of magic and Alys Rivers is the true Lord and not the Whents and Strongs.
I kept thinking she looks like someone but now I agree with you, Bolton lol. Why does everyone want Harrenhal, burned out by dragons and fire. Jac had the meeting at the Twins, the asked for Harrenhal. Sorry if don’t make sense this high humidity give a banging headache.
The white walkers are taking the essence/life from the children to feed their magic. Crastor has magic blood (can’t remember the theory). Just like how the undying were trying to leech off of Dany to keep living.
well in the tv series targarians have normal eyes , but in the books they are purple reddish, so the boltens could have very blue eyes just like the night king
@@YupertDoober Some Targaryens just had blue eyes, and a few had heterochromia. Alyssa Targaryen (Daemon's mom) had a purple eye and a green eye. Shiera Seastar (a Great Bastard of Aegon IV) had one dark blue and one bright green eye.
I hadn't heard about the theory involving Daemon as The Night King. That's an interesting theory since his body was never found after the battle in the God's Eye
I've argued Alys' son with Aemond (or Daemon, if he is the father instead in the show) is none other than Daario Naharis. This is because I have previously argued if you take Daario's "boasts" literally, he kills someone every day and bathes in their blood (probably to stay young), and he's slept with thousands of women (who are probably his preferred victims; handsome fighting men being runner's up). Part of that theory is arguing that Daario is the Essos mirror to Roose Bolton, only Bolton is quiet and icy whereas Daario is hotblooded and emotional, and Bolton kills his son every 50 years to steal their identity while Daario kills a woman every night (or a man if there is no woman) and bathes in their blood to keep his body youthful. I also argued that Daario shows signs of being a dragonseed--and will potentially steal a dragon like Quentyn failed to do--though I wasn't sure how. But Alys & Aemond's son who purportedly also bathes in blood would be a powerful dragonseed waiting for 170 years to get a dragon to ride. Never forget that Daario is literally Blue Beard. George has taken him with his (probably) pale white Targaryen hair dyed blue right out of the European legend of Blue Beard who marries women and then secretly kills his wives as soon as possible. Daario just seems to do this every night until he meets Dany and smells the chance to get a dragon for himself or marry a dragon queen. (From my perspective, the biggest hole in this theory is only the over preponderance of dragon stealers because Euron is the owner of Dragonbinder and wants one himself, Victarion of course wants this one instead, and I think Tyrion is Aerys' son and one of the blows of the horn will accidentally bind a dragon to Tyrion. So there is definitely stronger evidence of Tyrion and Euron being dragon riders than Daario. But I also am a big proponent of the theory that dragons having successive riders in the story is going to come into play in The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. So Daario might steal a dragon, for example, but maybe he is enchanted by Euron through a glass candle and will bring the dragon across the sea to Euron to be killed by Euron there. Or maybe Daario fights Tyrion or Dany on dragonback but dies, only for the dragon to fly off to find the owner of Dragonbinder and become Euron's dragon. Of course there is Young Griff as well, but I think his Blackfyre blood is too attenuated to be a dragon rider. I also argue Jaqen H'ghar is the real Aegon VI rather than Young Griff and will eventually replace Young Griff and then probably become a dragon rider as Aegon VI even though Tyrion and Dany have concluded correctly that Young Griff isn't Aegon VI. Now this sounds like ravings; but you appreciate these secret identy theories and there is A LOT of evidence that Tyrion is a Targaryen (Aerys II's bastard) and that Jaqen is a Targeryen (Rheagar's oldest son) running through all the books. Longtime member of David Lighbringer's community but he just wont f#ck with the theories that Tyrion, Daario, or Jaqen have secret identities/backgrounds whenever I bring these up to him. I run the Quora Space 'A Theory of Ice & Fire' that I founded last year where we have 260 contributors of answers/theories and 1,300 additional followers. Let me know if you want to discuss these theories further here or by some chat! I have all of them written up in much greater depth.
Omg they really do look like brother and sister 😂. I wouldn’t be surprised if Alys doesn’t have some connection to the White Walkers, I know we are supposed to get something with the undead this season but I think it’s going to be a vision and not what’s actually happening. Thanks for the juice love!!!
Alys definitely has first men blood, not just the strongs, but on her mother's side...likely a blackwood, but perhaps even a Bolton or a Stark. As for the nights king, old nan ends her list of possible candidates with "He never was. He was a Stark, the brother of the man who brought him down" This is more likely, imo as it follows the fractured family theme George seems to love so much (the dance. The baratheons, even Dany letting Viserys get killed then getting killed by Jon)
But Gray, what about the Stormlands? Owl? Black hair of Durrandons? I love your videos, but this is a teensy bit off. Like she can't be both, right? Owl and White Walker?
My partner said this when he first saw Alys. I am excited to hear your thoughts, my Gray Queen 👸 I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence re: the looks of the 2 actors or on purpose. Thank you so much!!! ~Tammy
Off topic, but I'd be extremely interested in your take on a compare/contrast Rhaenyra vs Daenerys compare contrast. A Targ Child of Peace vs aTarg child of War.
I think the castle is cursed and makes people waste there time building the castle bigger while breaking their minds. I think alys is actually trying to help daemon get out of the castle. Everything thats happened so far has been a dream pointing out hes unfit to govern.
