I love how everyone in the game insults the knight like “ little “ or “ small “ or stuff like that Yet literally one of the strongest and coolest character in the game respects this little knight and bows to him
Tbh, Ogrim ie Dung Defender is a pretty strong character too (I'm pretty sure he was the mightiest of the five knights of Pale King but don't quote me on that) and he respects you, whenever talks to you (which obviously, is after the fight). But the difference is Grimm has a different kind of 'happy' vibe, kind of jolly but in a weird creepy but respectful way. I mean, the way he says, 'An honor Seeker, to attend you call!' in the Pantheon is my absolute favourite line from him and gives him so much character imo.
@@cosmic2750 ahaha yeah Dung Defender is pretty great too. Though cant say much about the Grimm pantheon thingy, kinda cant get past Sly to get that far 😅
That's because Grimm knows what Wyrm did and knows about the Vessels. Grimm is one of the few characters who actually know what you are, probably due to his closeness to a Higher Being
Step 4: make it so that the key to the fight is you wearing a 2 notch charm and then taking away the effects and help of said charm so you only have 9 notches to work with. Ah the bullshit.
I don't care what you say, the sight of the heart tearing open revealing Grimm's silhouette, then the full screen title card with the accompanying blast of music will always be one of the most awesome, badass things I'll ever see.
I think NKG is a lot like his theme: At first it sounds chaotic and terrifying, but as you spend more time on it, you start to hear the patterns. Then it becomes fun and terrifying.
Yes, The Nightmare King is extremely difficult. But by god is he also fun as hell to fight. The setting, the music, Grimms affable charm, they all make for a wonderful experience.
He's fun when you fight him to complete the ritual as he's much more thematically appropriate in that setting but in Pantheon of Hallownest, since he's more of an endurance boss fight, I find him more of a chore to fight than most bosses. The same doesn't really apply to Grimm because he's vulnerable much more often in that fight so if you have a more risky, fast-paced playstyle, you won't be slowed down by the boss being invulnerable for a majority of the fight.
@@TheGamesReal you can actually damn near constantly hit NKG without being hit back if you perfectly understand his motions. I'm not capable of it myself but I've seen it before
@@uncroppedsoop the only move he's truly invulnerable in is the cloak spikes, and the firestorm iirc. Every other move he makes is meant for you to dodge and counter by matching his rhythm. Sharp shadow is specially useful for dashing through his lunge and dropkick
Thematically, Grimm is a beautiful fight. It's supposed to be a dance, he bows to you before it begins, there's an audience watching, and he even straight up tells you that you're dancing together. That's why Grimm has such a set moveset, where he takes a turn and you're given a chance to attack back afterwards. It's a dance back and forth. That's also when you take damage you easily fall out of the rhythm, resulting to you dying. In the times I managed to defeat Grimm, I almost never took damage because I got into a rhythm with Grimm. Imagine it like a waltz between you and Grimm. Nightmare King Grimm tells the waltz to fuck off, turns the bass to a 100 and starts to breakdance, break meaning your body of course.
Team Cherry: Alright Chris, it's just a fun little game about bugs. You don't have to get to crazy with the music. Chris: *dousing his piano in gasoline* I give 110% or none at all
@@kylestubbs8867yeah. It's because the nightmare version is faster, so i can get a good rhythm going. I can Beat the normal version hitless, but it just isn't smooth in the way that i like you know?
idontknowhowtoname I didn’t watch his prequel videos to not get spoiled lol. But I am pretty sure it is a sequel. Not only is it referred to as a sequel, but the game is referred to as a pilgrimage and from what we have seen, Hornet’s personality is the same in the early game areas as the one in the original game. She also has Lifeblood shit in the game and Pale King would have fucking yote the equipment if she used them. And since a Weaver escaped the Weaver’s Den, the game will probably do something about that. And this is just a stupid assumption with no evidence, but maybe the holy citadel at the top of Pharloom is the White Palace? Idk, I never heard his points but it really seems that it is a sequel
In my headcanon, the grimm troupe are legendary. Like, kids-are-told-about-them-in-bedtime-stories legendary. They have been around for seemingly forever. Whenever a kingdom falls, there they are, gathering their flames and performing their ritual. Nobody knows how they have remained in operation for so long, or how they travel across the world with little effort, appearing and disappearing as soon as they complete their mysterious goals.
Yeah I agree with this headcanon it's really cool They seem like they'd be a fantastical myth / bedtime story few people believe in like Santa or something and then they show up and it's like "OH FUCK"
Grimm is lighthearted in the first fight with him, he goes easy on you and lets you get a feel of the rhythm and beat, and even bows before and after the fight. Such a gentleman. And then he turns on his power ballad and slaughters you in the rematch.
Before I fought NKG I beat the game, and the only full-screen-name boss that I found was Radiance, and suddenly I dream-nail a sleeping Grimm and see a black screen with red letters: *NIGHTMARE KING*
“Welcome to the Salty Spitoon how tough are ya?” “How tough am I? I beaten Nightmare King Grimm.” “Yeah so.” “Without taking damage.” “you're sure you want to go to this shitty wimp-filled bar?”
“Welcome to the Salty Spittoon, how tough are you?” “How tough am I? I beat Nightmare King Grimm!” “Yeah, so?” “Without any charms.” “I’m sorry, right this way sir.”
Welcome to the Salty Spitoon, how tough are ya? How tough I am. I beat Nightmare King Grimm Yeah so? In Steel Soul mode without any charms I'm sorry, where are my manners to a GOD.
“Welcome to the Salty Spitoon how tough are ya?” “How tough am I? I beaten Nightmare King Grimm.” “Yeah so.” "Without leveling up my nail at all, no charms, and no spells." "...that's it, I quit."
@Oreo Cookie wait fr? How would he stop it? The Moths remembered Her, and she latched on to dreams of bugs, causing that dank orange infection. Void could consume Her, but how would Wyrm beat her?
a god damn masterpiece. I finally found another great componist that fits to my music-taste. The music in Hollow knight did fit to the game so perfectly! The game and the music complimented each other to perfection. People really need to appreciate music in games and movies.
Me fighting NKG the first time: Oh wow man this is hard, like maybe the hardest boss in the game Me after grinding the pantheon of hallownest for 3 weeks straight: You fool, you are but a pebble on the path to greatness
Yeah, NKG is one of those bosses that goes from really hard to just fun Even once you've learned him, you can't just turn your brain off and expect to win, but you can beat them without any trouble
I had hear of NKG before doing this fight, but all the other bosses weren’t to hard for me, so I thought this guy was gonna be the same. Imagine my shock when I see a full screen title card
this is easily the best fight in the game. every attack is reactable, nothing feels unfair, it's just about responding perfectly and quickly. really like this one.
Edited for readability: A lot of people disagree on who's harder between Grimm and The Radiance, but I think it depends on an individual's mindset, as their attack patterns are just about antithetical to each other. Grimm uses simple, easy to understand moves one at a time, but absurdly fast, requiring excellent reaction time and quick decision making, to the point of necessitating trained reflexes. The Radiance clearly telegraphs attacks, but due to variable patterns and simultaneous hazards to account for it can be a challenge to figure out how to maneuver in such a way as to not get hit. Those good at multitasking and dividing their attention will find The Radiance easier, while those good at focusing on a single task and giving all their attention to one thing will be better able to handle Grimm. Their opposite behaviors-Nightmare King Grimm rushing you down while The Radiance floats around spamming projectiles-make for a pretty interesting contrast, and support the theory that they are counterparts to each other, being so opposite in nature. TL;DR Radiance is for thinkers, while Grimm is for doers. Edit: I'm sick of seeing "I think boss A is easier than boss B." in my notifications. This chain isn't a goddamn survey. I don't want to hear your opinion unless you have something more interesting to add. At the very least say _why_ you think one is harder.
I found Radiance to be a lot more frustrating than NKG. NKG kicked my shit in, but I was having fun the whole time and figured out how to dodge everything fairly quickly, so the rest of the fight was just gitting gud and not losing focus (and just letting go of the prospect of ever being able to heal.)
ha! You think? I've read people claiming over 200 attempts but I assume they're innocently exaggerating. I feel that 70 is very close to the truth in my case. I wish there was some sort of 'Attempt Counter'!
I admit I have no idea how many attempts I made on him in truth, but it sure felt like a good 100 or more attempts. I think he took me even longer to beat than The Radiance, and The Radiance feels longer because you have to fight The Hollow Knight every single time (I still wish they'd get rid of that annoying feature).
While i can't vouch for my NUMBER of attempts. I will admit it took about 2 hours with a few spare minutes to beat him back to back attempts... FOR TWO HOURS. Honestly one of the best bosses. Completely fair and balanced. if you get hit. IT'S YOUR FAULT.
Yep. Easily one of the best bosses in the game. Kinda similar to what they did with the Path of Pain i recently completed But maybe to a lesser degree. I can agree that Grimm and Nightmare King are two of the best fights in the game.
Tbh best fight in the game by a long shot. Thematically beautiful, fun as hell, challenging but not impossible (looking at you Absolute Radiance), a good reward for the Grimm child quest, rewarding in itself for 1. winning, and 2. the satisfaction of finished grimmchild, and finally, this gorgeous song to accompany it all.
i think pure vessel is a bit better honestly since they tend to string together their attacks a lot more making it more about quick decision making rather than reacting to which attack nightmare king is going to do it makes it a lot more replayable and also lets you kind of figure out your own way to do the fight i do still think nightmare king is a better fight counting the presentation and everything though frankly and they're still both absolute game design masterpieces either way
@@yerman0564 or maybe, a simpler explanation, is that they forgot. I mean they are time travelers who probably already experienced 1000 years worth of experience
one good tip to fight NKG (and a lot of other bosses) is to start by doing a few runs that purely focus on doging and learning patterns. When you've done enough and feel like you have an answer to every attack and can recognise it, start doing your actual attemps.
Fun story: I was in France traveling from Paris to Normandy. I stopped at a rest stop place with a convenience store type place. In there, there was this wall decoration of this CG character who vaguely looked like Grimm. Saw it and giggled. No idea what it was, and I probably should have taken a picture of it.
Same. Took me a while to beat Grimm, and then NKG just slapped me. . . But as of today, I beat NKG in Ascended, taking only one hit. . . I still can't beat Grimm without taking 2 hits. . . Something's wrong here. . .
The first second when you get the title card is already enough to make this so good. Like, that single tone at 2:41. Also pro tip: Sharp shadow best charm
It's so weird. The Radiance gave me literally no issue thanks to the wonders of Abyss Shriek, but THIS guy? I can't even TOUCH him 99% of the time. 11 masks of health? Gone in
Himiko It's easy To hit the radiance in Her 1st phase with abyss shrieks because she's kinda static. Also, she just teleport and do dont do rapid moves. However, Nightmare King compensate these 2 things
Instead, you gotta fight it like how you fought Hornet or the Mantis Lords: Evade, hit, rinse and repeat. The only exceptions are the spike attack (just evade), the flame eruption (you can get several hits and dodging it isn't really hard) and the pufferfish (basically a small dodge-a-ton).
That's why he is called Nightmare King. He will forever rule your nightmares... (Unless you develop a battle fetish for him, in which case he'll be your vampire sugar daddy, if that's any better in your opinion)
I used minion build (Grubsong, Weaversong, Glowing Womb, Defender's Crest, Sprintmaster) to take him down. It lets you focus primarily on dodging Grimm's attacks and taking opportunistic potshots with the nail instead of having to focus on offense against him. That being said, it still took WAY longer for me to beat NKG than the Radiance (where I pretty much just used Quick Slash+Mark of Pride+Unbreakable Strength with Spell Twister for cheaper Abyss Shrieks for tons of damage whenever I could hit her), and the fight where I finally beat the Nightmare King was honestly some of the most fun I've had in this game.
I tryharded that shit so much that I took just a few hours to beat it whereas the traitor lord had me stuck for more than a day. It's so much motivating when you can just return to the fight immediately after dying
traitor lord was hard for me since i kept screwing up the platforming section to get to his arena from the stag nest. it didn't help that i had sharp shadow on. eventually i had to employ cloth's help and even then barely defeated him.
2:04 My favourite part. I try to use the song as a way to measure how far I am in the fight, and when it reaches this part it means I'm almost done. My hands sweat so hard when it plays that I end up making mistakes just cause I know it's almost over. In conclusion, the song was my biggest enemy when beating Nightmare King Grimm on radiant.
The intro to this is absolutely *terrifying*. You walk down a pathway you've never been with Grimmchild's moans being the only sound for a moment. And then the heartbeat starts. You listen to it, dread rising in your chest as you press on, coming up on Grimm twitching in his sleep. You hit him with he dreamnail, and you wake up right where you were instead of broken space. You walk down the hallway, patches and stitching carving your way forward as a heartbeat grows louder and louder, its thrums louder than yours as you panic and hope for the best. A bright, scarlet light blinds you as you walk into an area, and pulsating masks open, spewing scarlet fire and revealing a Grimm shaped figure within. The screen turns black, and the words Nightmare King Grimm cover your brain as this track starts playing. You only have 1 of 2 thoughts: This is awesome. Or, the more popular one: ... I'm screwed.
David Jimenez eh after getting down the pure vessel’s moves it felt easier imo. Harder than radiance sure. It’s debatable because they both took around 20 tries for me. But now knowing how to fight both of them i feel NKG is a bit more of a challenge.
1:30 I can picture the grimmkin nightmares chanting “BURN THE FATHER, FEED THE CHILD” loudly and ominously on this part of the theme. Kinda badass when you think about it
Grimm is such an interesting character. He has his slick, black and red design, a quiet and mysterious personality and a really fun bossfight. Not to mention his banger of a theme. Long live NKG!
Sans becomes predictable after 15-something attempts in the sense that he uses the same pattern of attacks every single time. Undertale is also a turn based game at its core, so you get plenty of time to breathe and heal (if needed). NKG on the other hand is.... relentless
*entering Grimms mind* „I defeated you before, it just took my 5 attempts, so what do you wanna do?“ *10 sec later* HE DEALS 2 DAMAGE?! THIS FIGHT IS IMPOSSIBLE!
Nightmare king Grimm I think is one of like 5 bosses to make me so angry that when I yelled I’m pretty sure I lost my voice for like a day or two. Was so satisfying when I finally beat him and I swore I would *NEVER* do it again
Can't relate somewhat, I still want that skinny heartless soyboi to drown in his own cold puddle of blood for taunting me with that low health......but I still love him.
I’ve beaten many hard bosses on radiant in the hall of gods and NKG I definitely spent the longest time on, but I never got mad. All of the other ones I would get mad after a while but NKG just was so fun to fight I never even got mad
0:39 1:25 3:19 4:55 For those of you with sharp ears, notice the melody and note progression at these places. Sounds familiar don't it? That's because its very similar to the Radience's theme. Also note that the intro and name card for the boss was also extraordinarilly similar to Radience. Further, considering that he is the Nightmare King, and that the Radiance was a sort of God-King with the power over dreams, I think it may be fair to assume Grimm to also be a Higher Being much akin to the Wyrm, Radiance, and Root, as well as possibly whatever entity/intelligence dwells within the Abyss/Void. Also, and this is speculation mind you, possibly the King Fool as well (especially considering his crowned skull and the fact that the Colosseum is located within another wyrm's cast off shell). Another speculative Higher Being is whatever that giant Trilobite in Deepnest is supposed to be, especially considering whenyou hit it or use magic on i, it lights up with runes like those found on the artifacts and alters in the Abyss. Further it also matches well to Grimm describing the Grimmchild to be an entity similar to you, considering the Hollow Vessel is an entity sired by both the Wyrm and the Void
Interesting! So the god of Dreams creates life while the god of Nightmares feasts upon their remains? I also think it's interesting to note that dreams in the game are more associated with memory and thought (like the ghosts and Whispering Roots you nail for Essence), as well as the concept of preserving oneself in stasis, as the ghosts of the various former citizens of Hallownest are meant to preserve a fragment of their existence in the ruins of their kingdom. The Radiance also utilised dreams to perpetuate herself and grow in power, refusing to accept the change in ruler. Even the Pale King used dreams and undying Dreamers to preserve his "eternal" kingdom and the Dung Defender clings on to his past stubbornly, as shown through his dream battle. However, nightmares are represented as red spirographs and more notably, scarlet flame. Fire is meant to die out naturally, but is a common symbol of rebirth and renewal. It allows a legacy to be passed on to a new generation through the sacrifice of the former ruler, from the Nightmare King to the Grimmchild. Through death and a dying kingdom, the new generation is nourished and this is (almost) completely accepted by the Grimm Troupe as the natural order of things or at least, what should happen. Instead of fighting against change and ending up perishing under blinding light or darkness, like those under the Pale King or the Radiance, the Grimm Troupe embraces change and accepts death, ultimately ensuring their continued survival and existence.
Pathfinder Savant that seems pretty probable, plus if you dream nail grim after the first fight, he will speak about the pale king, and he seems to know him or at least have heard about the wyrm, combined with his nightmare form it's more than likely he is one of the god-like creature in this world
When I first saw Grimm I wasn’t aware that i had to fight him later. I said “this guys design is to cool to be a boss” and I was pleasantly surprised the first time, and pleasantly frightened for my life the second time.
Just beat NKG today (started the game about one month ago) and it's the most fun I've had with any Hollow Knight battle Learning the patterns, shuffling awkwardly away with Shape of Unn, geting those sneaky hits between his dashes, the pufferfish attack It's perfection
@@tomatodoggo5350 I started around two weeks ago and beat him yesterday.. took me about an hour and a half.. maybe even 2 and only absolute radiance is left to do
SO HYPE This music is the reason I get super excited to fight Grimm! I don’t even get mad if I lose, the music is just so good that the battle feels like an adrenaline rush.
This boss was a tremendously shocking challenge. I thought the true final boss was difficult at first but this... this is a whole new level.... The OST helped very much keep me from getting agitated tho I wonder what other challenges the final 2 content packs will bring
Yes Exactly, Hollow. Team Cherry is using DLC for what it should be for: Adding in extra content to an already completed product, instead of holding some off. As the game is atm, it feels whole with no need for anything else. So the fact they're bothering to just shows how much they care about the game.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Tfw you die to him more than you die to hornet in Kingdom's edge..
This is such a good track that I actually had to turn it down during the fight 😅 The bass and increasing speed had my nerves super spiked passed what they already were. I did the fight with no background music. I am slightly disgusted in myself but I beat him so 🤷♀️
