Nijisanji's AR Live Happened... | Graduated NijiEN Vtubers Appear? Hololive's Gura Returns 

It isn't crazy, it's fucking hilarious🤣

Winning by doing nothing, that's the top 1 vtuber for you xD

Funny shark > billion dollar company

"Deploy the 🦈"

Tbf gura was not streaming too often so people are excited for gura

It's worse. No graduation but termination.

Terminates selen for showing graduated livers

Technically they just terminated her cause the document most likely in a panic. They wanted to keep bleeding her dry but she refused to return after what had happened to her

So there was literally no problem with the Last Cup Of Coffee video, they just wanted her to fail? What the actual fuck the hypocrisy is actually mind breaking

@@mehiloll they were probably butt hurt they were happier elsewhere but exploiting their visage for cash is fair game *eye roll against Niji*

Gura used return steam on yacht! It’s super effective! *proceeds to start sinking*

Well if jaws can sink ships😂

Nah, they just forgot the voices were still there and didn't remove it.

idk man. the fact that their voices were it it means that they(pomu, nina, mysta) themselves gave Niji explicit permission to include it in the live. dont think selen's situation had any connection to this. any of them could have just said no and NiJi wouldnt be able to use their voices and would have had to make more cuts to the live

@@mrii114 they probably stupid

@@shadoface Lol no. Whether they graduated or got terminated, Niji retains rights to everything (model, merchandise etc.), you didn't see leaked unsigned contract? So yeah, they can use it without their permission and they did before. They were still selling Selen merchandise or something for some time after her termination. The only way to stop them , would be taking them to court and proving that their contracts were illegal and thus void.

@@shadoface That case cited she needed permission from the graduates for the use of their likeness which Nijisanji OWNS. Which means the reason for the delay is BS. Voices however are not owned by Nijisanji so they do need permission to use it. HOWEVER, given their track record, it's very unlikely. It's probably a part of their graduation clause that they can use any recording of their voices created during their tenure in perpetuity. They're assholes like that.

Huh, sometimes universal RNG throws you a W. How poetic for them to get cucked by someone returning after they ruined the dragoons Neopet stream in a similar, albeit actually ghoulish manner.

@@FairlyFatherless It's like Mugen. Sometimes random select can give you good battles, and sometimes it gives you the craziest battle. (Or pretty bad ones.) But luck is on your side.

not just that but petra 3d debut and holofes day opening at the same time as well;;

"timing" that has been constant between the two companies for years. The only time I can recall where they actually didn't try to shit on each others events was the Noctyx/Tempus debut dates.

@@juzahyodo petra one niji attacking holo but lose and then now holo counter it and success lmao ..

Khyos been on serious copium for some reason when it comes to niji, he's been very quick to forget the past couple years

@@darkshaman98 that orrrrr hes too scared for a lawsuit or strike

@@KMTepi possibly the former since I think he's still in Japan? It's one thing not to bully or harass but, even his criticism of Niji's actions has really, really toned down.

@@mrii114 maybe? and its also bc japan's defamation laws are weird too iirc so that added too

Gotta admit I'm a little sick of the downplaying and faux "measured opinions"

"TACTICAL SHARK INCOMING!"

"Commander Pekora, Nijisanji is holding a Niji concert right now?" "Is that so? Unleash the shark."

Aww thats nice !

Interestingly enough, after the Shishiro Cup, the one who cried is not Moshu but her coach instead lmao

@@kanzaki2672 Its ironically thanks to Botan we get an interesting view of the pro-gamers' world.

that's so sweet!! thank you for sharing that

You know you got something right when Khyo approved your comment.

​@@ThatchNetherfold i think Khyo just afraid of potential lawsuit so he call it "send off". Can't blame him.

Legally, they're in the right that they could use it however they want. Ethically, no it's not.

@@ReigoVassal I'm aware, he's not as well-connected and influential as False, so he can only stay on the soft side on things, even as neutral as he is.

@@ReigoVassal he and False channel were almost cancelled on past Niji stories several years ago. So I don't think it's about being afraid of being sue for defamation (unlike Japan, in most countries you have to prove MALICE AND TRUTH) and more like being objective as a journalist of presenting all sides

i doubt luca even know how to write

I doubt that luca

I doubt

X

i doubt luca is even real 😂

"the lack of screenshots of our AR live for our engagement will be negligible" - Niji probably

People are talking about it now of how shit it was with the screenshots that they clearly are ignoring the rule. Honestly unless they are doing something malicious the rule does not make sense. The malicious thing is trying to keep the wool over the audiences eyes, however that also leads to it not being talked about

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Very true, most of the talk seems to be negative. Like it's so weird to me. Like just a 3D birthday live of 1 holomem and I see hundreds of posts on their tag.

One would think that since Kurosanji cares so much about making money, they would do some market research and actually learn what fans want, and what social media strategies are successful. Just goes to show that unsurpassed greed is no substitute for actual business skill.

@@Fyrexsama To be fair Hololive reinvests into the company and talents however Nijisanji we realistically don't know where the money is going but it is clear they are not reinvesting as they do make a lot in the first place considering the cut the talents gets. We only assume the money is going towards Yachts as that is what most rich million or billionaires buy. Like most of the hate is because Niji shows that they just do not care which is weird as if you want the most money as possible you HAVE to reinvest into it and not be lazy about it. Like better equipment, better tracking, better models, stuff like that especially for a big concert as they have been doing this for years so they have the money for it. Niji is just not reinvesting which pisses people off, sure for smaller companies and indies it is passable but Niji is one of the top 3 top 2 if not counting VShojo so Niji has no excuse to just be lazy. It really is a different culture type of feel as no one likes it not even some Japanese people. Really Niji should have never left Japan as the west does not tolerate greedy corporate bs and the stocks dropping really show

Honestly, working around somebody with disability is a rare NijiW honestly.

Zentreya is genuinely nice person. I remember back when Vshoujo jumped on Nuxtaku for no good reason, the only one to publicly apologize to him was Zentreya. All the other harpies claimed to have apologized behind the scenes. To this day I still don't like Vshoujo, but Zen is good people.

yes yes! i love fulgar, im one of his confydants. He’s mentioned getting a new desk for back issues and more often than not he stands while streaming. He said that sitting and laying down is really painful, much love to fulgar :( Im no longer a niji fan all together but i love fulgar ❤️

@@the_frozen_tortoise As they say... sometimes it takes a...

@@imNewbieGuy okay, aside from the horrible way you worded and said this, he IS physically disabled. I knew him before he joined NijiEN and he talked about it openly a lot. Don't assume the worst about people with no evidence whatsoever

BIG T I T S IN BIO

i'm going to assume that was foreshadowing for kamii's tweet

BIG T I T S IN BIO

💀

PERUSE MY BIO

*streams after two months* *mogs Nijisanji EN's first 3D concert* *leaves*

*Comes to stream when she see what Niji is doing* "You cannot steal my thunder Bucko!"

This year-delayed AR live and the 3D rush might be Anycolor's way to 'answer' the burn. At this point NijiEN is just a niche for people who enjoy them tbh

@@kanzaki2672 i guess. even for me i dont understand the joy that would make such a niche. ive seen indie japanese vtubers have more interesting concepts that i can see where they have a niche for it but i dont understand what's there for nijisanji

Niji is doing the same thing WoW did with game releases. I would call this shameless, but honestly, it's a good business tactic. However, just like WoW, when you're knee deep in controversy, this kind of shit ain't gonna fly.

@@SparkShadow212 the actual problem is that when WoW first started doing that they had quality behind them. the undercut the competition but their moves were still good in their own right.

Don't forget that one of their questions for you in an interview for applying is "How would you keep up/surpass Gawr Gura" or something like that. They wanted their Gooba Killer lmao

@@hellerknight1602 for real? Lol

@@hellerknight1602- No way they’re getting it. Might of with Pomu and Selen but they decided to screw that up.

Because she's just a slave.

We are getting closer to the Yagoo vs riku battle, GRAB THE POPCORN!- Anon 2002

Well they aren't doing themselves any favors with that one.

@@Thisisaburneraccounttheresmore Yagoo stomps ngl

⁠@@Thisisaburneraccounttheresmore bro that’s like putting Steph Curry vs Ben Simmons in a 3-point contest

Gura > All NijiEN combine

HOLY SHIT I DIDNT EVEN SEE IT LOOOL

GODDAMN IT YOU JUST *HAD* TO POINT THAT OUT

Classic twitter experience right there

LMAOOO

Even if it's a bot, and you should normally avoid bots, this is just hilarious

It's Niji. They won't learn anything

to be fair i can favor niji in this because they probably weren't expecting gura to come in this hour, so compared to the petra's 3d, i let this one slide but it is still pretty hilarious ngl

Yeah that one happened and... In a more (seemingly) purposeful way while Gura was simply returning just like that.

I think it was coincidence Gura suddenly stream clash with the niji's event.

Did I just saw B I G T * * Z I N T H E B I O ?

Their whole selling point is making a poor choice of words, be it on twitter or stream

I'm a former Kindred. Vox has a tendancy to run his mouth too much and say some very dumb things without thinking. There was a time where he got Reimu in trouble during one of his ASMR streams by talking to her during the stream and it resulted in her getting attacked by his fans. He didn't stop his fans until much later when he was called out for it.

Thats such a good way to put it!!

I mean, the rest are graduated, but Selen's terminated.

I didn't take part in the concert, but did they erease Yugo's (and possibly Zaion's) voices too? That would be interesting to know...

@@Amigubunny Yugo already graduated before the first AR live cancellation and neither Zaion nor her genmates got the chance to join in the first place

@@user-br4qy6cj5g yugo didnt graduate they were also suddenly terminated/fired like selen and had all their official accounts taken over, didnt get a proper graducation stream or anything

@@tete-rh5xo I know

And said event was pre-recorded for 2 years... Gura's 2 months > Niji's 2 years

To be real, if this was released at the original time two years ago, Nijis reputation would be pretty high back then and the viewcounts would be much higher. Now theyre desperate but the time has passed long ago, and their reputation is in the gutter. And they get a castrated product as well. Pretty sad all around.

​@@StriderVM Even if it was released 2 years ago, it would still be up for debate whether Gura alone could mog all of nijiEN combined due to how massively popular she is. Maybe just one Gura karaoke stream would be enough to mog their AR live at their peak. Just the year before that, Gura had a costume reveal that nearly reached 200k peak viewers.

@@kawaiipotato6195 True, but still its pitting a shark against a human. And now the human has been kneecapped and bleeding out even before the fight. XD

The Shork Always Wins. Its that simple.

he did say he'd kill for him

@@akira8393 yeah but the “him” he’s talking about is himself cus he’s a snake

It's poetic that council was a part of it and especially Mumei lol

@@mshake7056 i just make story here. revenge from bird for her fellow fallen bird ask help from her friends. lmao nah just kidding to much reading novel...

​@@TAKOssrbthey kept saying yagoo released the shark, they never thought of that sharks capability to troll and underestimated also her pettiness, case in point, guras response to venti. Its not in the realm of impossibility that gura herself pitched the idea to mumei to mess with niji and strung along the snot cast.

@@AssassinEremes welll there are many kind of POV in here. if we think about gura ==> yes she has that kind of personality. but this kind of personalitty comeout usually if you poke her. if not she wont do anything. so in this kind time i think its not gura who want to do it. since niji not poke her yet. niji only use her as interview subject so i think gura the one made move only 5-10% if we think mumei ==> there is a change mumei want to revenge her best friend condition from niji so ask if the holo en want to help or not and shark respon to it. in here the change are 20-30% if we think from business view / cover/ hololive ==> the change this is business plan and also revenge from niji poking before so the change of this is high from 50-60% but those are just my opinion not 100% right.

so happy to see someone else acknowledge that the livers are people under niji too. obviously, some of them have messed up and made bad decisions or downright done or said bad things, but at the end of the day we're all just some guys on a rock in space trying to deal with a black company. sucks to see so many people acting like every niji liver is a horrible person just for the circumstances

@@isabellajewel.420 Why were they wasting their time being under a black company is the wonder.

@@signumxmagnum super cool thing called contracts i'd assume,, also for those who don't (as far as we know) have it as bad like for Vox and the rest of luxiem, or for elira etc, then they might've believed or might still believe that the benefits were too good to leave. most people don't understand how difficult and scary it is to genuinely have one's livelihood threatened to be taken away.-no matter the circumstances of your company

@@isabellajewel.420 It's understandable if it was 1980. But now is the era of internet, there's no way they would still think that they got the best offer out there. It's scary? Yes, is it worth it? Of course.

@@signumxmagnum oh, absolutely it's wrong on their part. Don't get me wrong, I'll no quicker defend niji than you. I just think it's annoying when people act like the livers are being completely unreasonable when chances are the livers are much more informed and reasonable than the fans right now. as for having the best offer, going indie might work for some of them but for some people who are only popular (if you could even call them that) via niji like kunai, it would be a big hit. should they speak out/have spoken out? absolutely. but, life goes on, and we can only learn to forgive and do better, or at the very least move on bc in the long run very little of this matters

What?

​@@ArcanistShion the start of the whole Niji/Selen thing was Niji taking down Selen's Christmas cover for showing images of graduated livers, now there's the vocal recordings of graduated livers in Niji's AR Live Event, so it seems pretty hypocritical.

It’s so hypocritical that it’s insane man. Borderline workplace harassment/discrimination to apply those rules on her but not themselves

@@lucyla9947 ah I understand now, thanks.

Ain’t nothing weird about the higher ups violating their very own rules 😂

Vox: "there is no favoritism"

She didn't wait for permission to use the images of past livers. The voices of past livers either already had permission to be used or they didn't need permission. Y'all also must not have even noticed that Yugo's voice was NOT in Stuck in the Abyss when Noctyx sang...Uki sang Yugo's parts. So, either Yugo didn't give permission or they didn't ask them and chose to do it without them considering the way that Yugo's contract ended with the company. It's not hard to understand these things but no one is actually thinking logically.

​@@evapunk522 The company own the characters of course they don't need permission. So why can't they just allow last cup of coffee to stay up back then? They have the sole ability to either allow it or not and CHOSE not to. Was it too hard to make the decision without privating it? It snowballed very badly and now they've proven themselves that it didn't have to. Simple pr move would've been to literally do nothing back then and this wouldn't at all be an issue now. They've done dirtied their hands and has now been caught red-handed.

@@acapitala4936 because she didn't have the permission of the people she needed permission from. If you knew anything about JP companies, you'd know they have a weird hierarchy and you can't just get one manager's approval.

“-brainwashed that Hololive was a black company-” What? When was this?

@@Zack_Zander We just thought NIJISANII was awesome because of what happened in 2022, but now this year??? Some things can’t last forever. If Hololive’s ever beating NIJISANJI at its own game, then that means that NIJISANJI will never be as successful as Hololive going forward. When NIJISANJI EN has dissolved permanently, then that means the livers who bullied Selen into self-harm are absolutely going to have a taste of their own medicine. I absolutely doubt they’re going to redeem themselves at this point. With the massive affairs of graduations going on, it seems that NIJISANJI really has become the Yandere Dev of VTubing.

@@Zack_Zander It's a long time ago, because of the idol culture, some niji fans says that.

​@@Zack_Zanderthe rrat in 2021-2022 was "Nijisanji is better because they can say dirty jokes on stream and not get bonked, also we don't do toxic idol culture", add the whole accusations that Hololive prohibited their talent to collab with NijiEN while it's actually the other way around.

back in 2021 i always saw comments like nijisanji is better something like that..thank god i never like any nijisanji livers ,, and i just continue watching hollolive 🤣

Wasnt that her thing even before the niji stuff?

@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180 Was it? I haven’t heard about the circling until recently, if it’s been happening even before that then it’s even less reason for people to argue about it

i mean chances are some niji liver is streaming at all times. Also, the AR concert was announced a couple of weeks ago, but gura only announced she was streaming the day before. Its way more likely hololive nudged her to stream.

@@DakkaSap That is also true, we can never discount that

@@DakkaSap Even if that was the case, it only shows just how much better Gura is compared to all of Nijisanji EN that are present at the moment.

Of every paid concert, actually; I get why they did it, but if they were so afraid about what people would say, then they should redone the concert with their current livers instead of putting an edit record

​@@ledieumortbro they have 13month to fix shit after they postponed it.😂

Back when AC was still IK they did lead the pack technologically. They fumbled the ball along the way. Now it's like Cover and Kamitsubaki/Sinsekai are in a league of their own and everyone else is close behind.....then there's AC....below many indies I've seen do lives in VR Chat/Cluster worlds.

@@logikx1325 They never invest in tech, they borrow others tech, especially Sony tech. Now without Sony tech, their own tech is worse than an indie mmd.

i take this more than vshojo's crap concert actually. a soulless live can still beat a crappy one. also, i like to think the pomu and mysta's voices are like ghost haunting that studio now hahaha

Their AR live is worse than a single mother vtuber and her daughter 3D streams!

yap they just counter it using stinky shark and its effective no its super effective.. lmao

The shork cannot be stopped

Shork needs food, she's been in hibernation

Maybe, but the fact that Mumei was a part of it made a lot of people happy. Also, remember when Niji stuff leaked a long time ago and it was them talking crap about council and how it failed? Maybe it wasn't malicious, but it was satisfying for a lot of people seeing them beat Niji.

​@@mshake7056the funniest thing about that is that Fulgur was the one who talk shit about council when he was is their exact same position, a second group that try to replicate the success of the first one (myth and Luxiem). My opinions of Fulgur were negative at first but overtime he has showed to be a decent dude

@@mshake7056honestly those leaks seemed pretty tame to me. It was more of an analysis through a business lens rather than trash talk. There wasn’t any animosity from what I remember. There are plenty of things to attack niji on, this isn’t on of those things IMO.

@bluespellmaster8592 still funny that the people who said they failed lost to them in one of their biggest livestreams.

As much as she wants

Once every quarter maybe

@@Sky_314Indeed, she’s the Ayame of EN and I think people just have to accept that.

Her job is immense in Japan. She is busy, dude.

@@whoareyouwhoamidoesitmatte2726 And she makes more money streaming once every 4 months both for herself and the company than half of Niji's goons together.

It was understandable, seeing how awful it was.

Its to hide the fact that the show is shitty maybe

From the couple of screenshots I've seen, it looks fine to me. Sure it's not a vwp show, but what is. And as long as those who saw the show are happy, that's what matters.

​@@ericp631no not rly many people expect more from nijisanji they are a big company even hololive birthday concerts are better. The ticket is almost as much as 1 stage from holfest so you expect more.

Well if you compare to Hololive, it is basically a dolar store concert, Heck Granblue Fantasy Live concert is a thousand times better and they even collab with Holive as well..

heck yah, Smallest and Cheapest hololive concert like that Viv:ID Cruise is already far far superior than this

It's not even worth the price if you were a big fan as it is a reused thing from a cancelled project so no passion. They should have just redone it not use old footage that they had to edit the talents that no longer work there out

Same, it looks like a Roblox fangame 💀

@@mehiloll FR

Based

I wonder how much did they pay for the 3d maker, or is it just done by graduated kids.

Most of these things aren't

I mean all of Holos concerts aren't actually live either and they pay just as much sometimes more so whats your point?

​@@brandonhowell5096some are some are not but most holo fans know this so idk what you point is. Hololive concerts are better quality so what can I expect from a cheap ass company like nijisanji.

​@@brandonhowell5096Yeah, but this was recorded over two years ago.

@@brandonhowell5096 fes was this year?

That screenshot already touched to the max using photoshop lol.

Tons more views

@@BeyondDaX Your kidding 😅

I saw someone's screenshot and the comparison was gura with 26k views vs ar live at 5k views

I mean, Gura fans knew why she was away. They were informed that she was taking a break beforehand. It isn't the same as a liver dropping off the face of the earth after an accident followed by complete radio silence from the company.

Gura wasn't in an accident before going silent for a month tho is she?

@@Yomikonkon She has a mental health that's why she's been gone for week or months

@@jaredvilla4642 yes and everyone knew that while they didn't even update if Selen was doing well after tweeting about the accident. Gura's fans are also used to her being gone for months. While Selen's well we all knew how much she hates being on a break. She rarely even takes a whole week off