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Nijisanji Threw Selen Tatsuki (Dokibird) Under The Bus AGAIN 

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Multiple Nijisanji EN livers including Elira Pendora, Vox Akuma, and Ike Eveland, have made a statement calling out Selen Tatsuki. And it went horribly.
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00:00 Introduction
00:40 Dokibird's Neopets stream interrupted by Nijisanji message
01:23 Summary of Nijisanji EN statement
02:33 Elira Pendora claims she was "scared" of Selen Tatsuki
03:25 Dokibird responds to Nijisanji message
06:35 Nijisanji EN livers stand in solidarity against Selen
07:53 Public backlash against Nijisanji explodes
09:18 Nijisanji EN livers lose thousands of subscribers
10:00 Nijisanji releases another statement
12:33 Nijisanji CEO makes public address
14:02 A PR nightmare

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@truffledude
@truffledude 5 месяцев назад
SHE JUST WANTED TO PLAY NEOPETS
@ezg4m3r_12
@ezg4m3r_12 5 месяцев назад
The last one?
@ezg4m3r_12
@ezg4m3r_12 5 месяцев назад
Oh nvm XD Just saw it.
@APunishedManNamed2
@APunishedManNamed2 5 месяцев назад
Remember what they took from you.
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
Yeah that was too much of Nijisanji. But Scarle is based! Now we have three gals we should support and protect!
@scienceteam9254
@scienceteam9254 5 месяцев назад
69th like... Nice...
@PossessedbyPhoenix
@PossessedbyPhoenix 5 месяцев назад
Zaion's lore was that she was a prophet of the end of the world but nobody believed her, and Elira's lore is that she betrayed her half-sister Selen to keep the peace. Everyone's just roleplaying really hard.
@ferntheinkling
@ferntheinkling 5 месяцев назад
You got it give it to Nijisanji. They are an entertainment company, and they are being very entertaining 🍿
@KoreKhaos
@KoreKhaos 5 месяцев назад
And Vox is just a demon…
@bonogiamboni4830
@bonogiamboni4830 5 месяцев назад
Zaion's lore is that she was cassandra? Are you serious? How is this drama the most kino thing in decades?
@mndy129
@mndy129 5 месяцев назад
Mfs think they're Shadow
@akarimichiko
@akarimichiko 5 месяцев назад
FR
@UnamusedStocking
@UnamusedStocking 5 месяцев назад
>Vox: "There's no favoritism" *Pfffffffffttttttttt* >Riku: "Our livers are irreplaceable" *PFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY SIDES ARE VISITING SANA RIGHT NOW 💀*
@evildarknessgrunt5017
@evildarknessgrunt5017 5 месяцев назад
I laughed at that statement at the "Concerned stuff video" thing lmfao!!.... Except I didn't send my side that far off.... 💀
@AmbasingKam-dr6yu
@AmbasingKam-dr6yu 5 месяцев назад
💀💀
@_____8632
@_____8632 5 месяцев назад
From "Selen leaving is negligible" to "Our livers are irreplaceable" real quick
@nagz7920
@nagz7920 5 месяцев назад
Definitely not reading from a script lol. I feel bad for them if they're put up to this.
@grymns
@grymns 5 месяцев назад
A part of me believe that Vox and Riku were forced to make that video
@user-cp2iz3jq2g
@user-cp2iz3jq2g 5 месяцев назад
Japanese person here… I was trying to correct other Japanese people on why people are angry on nijisanji on the Company CEO video, those comments were all hidden. I myself can’t even see it. It goes to show how much they want to hide this info from the Japanese.
@cupidsmorrows
@cupidsmorrows 5 месяцев назад
Wow that's so wild! Thank you so much for correcting people! Niji really is a black company...
@user-cp2iz3jq2g
@user-cp2iz3jq2g 5 месяцев назад
@@cupidsmorrows Separated by race, united by hating black company. Momentous day for globalization fan.
@zumzici1234
@zumzici1234 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for your contribution! Seems like there's a bit if a divide between JP and EN side caused by people not having the full context. People like you are unsung heroes in this case. 🫡
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword 5 месяцев назад
Tell to as many Japanese as you can! Nijisanji lied to their fans!
@Russian_engineer_bmstu
@Russian_engineer_bmstu 5 месяцев назад
"ye she tried to kill herself, that is so serious. But why did she think it is okay to inconvenience us with her death" is more or less recap of that
@doodlesyoru2108
@doodlesyoru2108 5 месяцев назад
An abhorrent lack of empathy.
@humrH2360
@humrH2360 5 месяцев назад
It really is the most corporate kind of response imaginable.
@TrustNo0ne666
@TrustNo0ne666 5 месяцев назад
Agreed, they do not even care, just about what affects them, sociopathic to say the least, after that self report it really shows the two-face kind of clique there is in Kurosanji, and without actual competent management to rein it in it thrives in all its horror, i can now see why it can push someone to the edge ... what a nightmare of an environment
@BlindedMan
@BlindedMan 5 месяцев назад
Hate that this reminded me of junko
@Nope_handlesaretrash
@Nope_handlesaretrash 5 месяцев назад
20 bucks says it was management bullying her and probably a sexual assault or three.
@Jonathan_Collins
@Jonathan_Collins 5 месяцев назад
Niji weren’t supposed to release those documents. They broke their own NDA. They just shared them with talents -wtf is wrong with them…
@kinglightning5256
@kinglightning5256 5 месяцев назад
Also one of selen close friends irl said on Twitter that the ones who bullied selen outed themselves on elira video so elira,vox,ike,enna,millie are all sus heck it could had been all of them. Vox kinda laughed talking about the situation and enna past comments on her membership stream makes her look awful.
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword 5 месяцев назад
However now because of this fact I don't care please go support Sayu Sincronisity, AmiYoshiko and Dokibird! Let's get these three to 1 Million subs! I will keep advertising until they hit said goals!
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
@@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword Usually I would say f off advertisers but based move on your part! Go for it! I am sure many would be behind you for doing that!
@Khann_2102
@Khann_2102 5 месяцев назад
​@@ElizabethRoseMonadoSwordLessgoooo
@stephenq7510
@stephenq7510 5 месяцев назад
They want to take the brunt off of themselves by throwing their own talent under the bus. Not as much hate directed towards them if their public faces are put under fire. At least that’s what they hope. So much for caring about their own talents.
@ededdynedd
@ededdynedd 5 месяцев назад
They weren’t feeling “threatened” about being “doxxed.” They were feeling threatened because Doki very likely named them as the bullies, and it sounded like they wanted to get ahead of her and make a defense for themselves. It reeked of preemptive damage control. Just scared of being exposed.
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 5 месяцев назад
I don't see Vox being one of the bullies, he's just a convenient meat shield for Kurosanji because he's one of the most popular remaining NijiEN talents.
@amazo88
@amazo88 5 месяцев назад
@@ElFreakinCid even if he isnt one of the bullies, supporting kurosanji and the actual bullies by becoming the meatshield is just as bad. you dont cheer on that kind of person.
@GenevieveYosoVT
@GenevieveYosoVT 5 месяцев назад
The whole announcement makes it hard for me to support Ike anymore...
@solitaregames
@solitaregames 5 месяцев назад
Doki/Selen did not name any livers as the bullies. She named Niji Management at the bullies.
@ulysses6690
@ulysses6690 5 месяцев назад
The legal document involving them throws a lot of suspicion on them being the bullies Selen mentioned. If that’s true then they outed themselves. If they’re not the bullies then they were involved with it in some other way
@Kronical69420
@Kronical69420 5 месяцев назад
HOLY SHIT!!! Doki is the Road Runner and Niji is Wile E blowing himself up trying to kill her. Thats fucking funny as hell. Shes even a fucking bird.
@TheSlammurai
@TheSlammurai 5 месяцев назад
Doki: Meep meep *runs through painted tunnel* Nijisanji: *crashes into painted tunnel*
@unknownvariable2456
@unknownvariable2456 5 месяцев назад
Doki would be proud of this comment lol no attacking or slandering others, just laughing through the pain
@adriannaranjo4397
@adriannaranjo4397 5 месяцев назад
Niji/their livers: "She's lying about the bullying and harassment!" Also Niji/their livers: (keep bringing this public and harass Doki)
@Starfall01
@Starfall01 5 месяцев назад
Yesterday they lost 10% (152 million dollars), and now they lost 16% 😂
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
Twitter Community note: "Why are you lieing?" Me: Sweet sweet justice.
@Starfall01
@Starfall01 5 месяцев назад
The Yacht is going to sink
@braddl9442
@braddl9442 5 месяцев назад
Also outed that they were named as bullies in the HR and legal complaints that she had given to Niji.
@NerissaRavencroftJailbird
@NerissaRavencroftJailbird 5 месяцев назад
​@@braddl9442Spicy information. Even the Twitter note supported that claim well kinda but you know what I mean.
@antoniusimbiri2503
@antoniusimbiri2503 5 месяцев назад
You know whats the most insane thing about this stream? Elira claimed she feared for her's, Enna's and Millie's safety, while Nijisanji claimed they shared the info only to those named in the document. MFs literally self reported that those 3 are the main culprit in Doki's bullying. They've done rrats jobs for themselves. Absolutely incredible
@gentlyvillainous
@gentlyvillainous 5 месяцев назад
The bitch clique is behind the bullying, how unsurprising
@braddl9442
@braddl9442 5 месяцев назад
Yes. They outed themselves.
@RuiFanTier
@RuiFanTier 5 месяцев назад
I tried.. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt because I like them but at this point I can't even defend them anymore.. welp.. time to move to hololive
@KieraAAG
@KieraAAG 5 месяцев назад
​@@RuiFanTierlet's keep supporting doki tho she needs the support
@MilesProwerTailsFox
@MilesProwerTailsFox 5 месяцев назад
Anyone mentioned in the documents it's sus af, and if they keep trowing dokibird under the bus then we know who in the documents was bullying, if someone is not trowing dokibird under the bus then it's probably mentioned as another victim
@Omelette_Cadette
@Omelette_Cadette 5 месяцев назад
They're digging their own grave. Miss Doki has more receipts coming lmao, it's actually sad that she had it prepared beforehand, goes to show how well she knows how nijien acts.
@m1nor1ty30
@m1nor1ty30 5 месяцев назад
I like to think they force them to say it to throw them under the bus, I mean, why will they use them to message about dokibird instead of an official statement from the ceo himself, he's obviously throwing the vtubers under the bus. Plus, I don't see elira and Vox do this kind of thing, if seem like they were telling them to say instead of them(niji)
@Xport9
@Xport9 5 месяцев назад
Any Color: *"We are against bullying!"* Also Any Color: *"Let's use our talents to bully more!"*
@konnen7354
@konnen7354 5 месяцев назад
Kinda fitting that in Elira's character lore, she actually betrays Selen.
@bander-Coolb
@bander-Coolb 5 месяцев назад
Bruhhh
@bander-Coolb
@bander-Coolb 5 месяцев назад
Bruhhh
@bander-Coolb
@bander-Coolb 5 месяцев назад
Bruhhh
@gyrons6335
@gyrons6335 5 месяцев назад
damn... that is method acting level of fuckery .
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
​@@gyrons6335A lore that I didn't want to come true. Elira didn't have to make that lore literally! Like Bae I want said BRUH
@SubliminaIMessages
@SubliminaIMessages 5 месяцев назад
I am so happy that Pomu, Nina, Mika, and Mysta all left before the circus came to town because holy moly
@ferntheinkling
@ferntheinkling 5 месяцев назад
I know! I was so sad they left but now I’m begging all the livers to leave 😭
@mary-maru
@mary-maru 5 месяцев назад
Oh my God, absolutely
@UltimateDragon-ne5ui
@UltimateDragon-ne5ui 5 месяцев назад
Add Mika to that list too.
@ferntheinkling
@ferntheinkling 5 месяцев назад
@@UltimateDragon-ne5ui she wasn’t in EN
@purplejadez9
@purplejadez9 5 месяцев назад
Pomu is really lucky to graduate early, Kyo however wasn't fortunate, but at least he will graduate during the drama and left it.
@thunderhogTH
@thunderhogTH 5 месяцев назад
The insane part is in admiting that the document "doxxes" enna millie and elira, then that clearly labels them as part of the bullies
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes 5 месяцев назад
And even dumber they imply that Doki would have released that document publicly even though it also has _her own personal info_ on it.
@garethdewhurst1499
@garethdewhurst1499 5 месяцев назад
@@CrizzyEyes I mean they could end up technically being doxxed if it reaches court as court records are generally public records in most places, but thats not a doxxing threat as such and there are ways to handle that (this was not the way to handle that).
@xenn4985
@xenn4985 5 месяцев назад
​@@garethdewhurst1499no... private documents are not made public just because they were used in a court case.
@jeremybree1986
@jeremybree1986 5 месяцев назад
​@@garethdewhurst1499 nope, only public documents. If there's private information it will remain private.
@chrissolace
@chrissolace 5 месяцев назад
@@garethdewhurst1499But I think there’s privacy laws in US, Canada, and Japan that allow you to redact personal information before making it public. So the document likely could be, “Selen Tatsuki (aka ), accuses Elira Pendora (aka ), Vox Akuma (aka ), etc.”
@EuphoricAngel
@EuphoricAngel 5 месяцев назад
I find Vox' statement "leaving is always an option" to be very interesting because if that was the case, more Livers should start leaving but if they don't, well it will say something about them.
@FuzenHua
@FuzenHua 5 месяцев назад
It's almost they've played a part in the harassment and bullying of Doki. They're trying to cover their asses. They are equally as guilty for enabling the harassment. They are NOT INNOCENT
@nuclearcracker
@nuclearcracker 5 месяцев назад
@@FuzenHuait’s controversial but they might not have anything else other than Niji. There are people who let go of everything else to pursue their dreams and in doing so, met many failures and lost more things than they were willing to lose. Niji could be their last resort before they themselves crumble. As for the bullying, they did not take part in it because they didn’t want any of it happening. They may have reported it to the management authorities (who are corrupt) but just got a warning themselves to stay zipped. They may have tried to speak in but they are threatened with something that they can’t quite lose. Thus, it came down to “enabling the harassment”. I’m saying this as someone who’s seen their oshi fall many times but came back strong and trying to be stable at her position right now.
@greed94
@greed94 5 месяцев назад
​@@nuclearcrackerWho's your oshi?
@catnotmad
@catnotmad 5 месяцев назад
I think most of them are just co-worker and you don’t go jobless just because the company have issues with one of your co-worker
@nuclearcracker
@nuclearcracker 5 месяцев назад
@@greed94 I wrote that whole thing by having my oshi in mind but I hope she didn’t have to go through any of it. My oshi is Kiara (this is partially forbidden knowledge) and she basically left her education and family behind to pursue her dreams as an idol and faced many obstacles because she was a foreigner.
@radarnoz19
@radarnoz19 5 месяцев назад
This has to be a targeted hit piece by EN management. They KNEW what time she went live, they KNEW what was going to happen. They threw their Livers to the wolves.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 5 месяцев назад
And before the investors meeting cant overlap that
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
​@@vergillives9890Just to add insult to injury even Twitter called her out on her bs with a community note on her tweet.
@Bushido_Brown.
@Bushido_Brown. 5 месяцев назад
​@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPackLmao. Community notes don't mean anything. Just biased Doki fans saying whatever they want.
@NerissaRavencroftJailbird
@NerissaRavencroftJailbird 5 месяцев назад
@@Bushido_Brown. Ha. I am honestly amused at how much you willingly to defend Nijisanji. Good job. You are so good at your job.
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
@@Bushido_Brown. How much they are paying you to defend them with your every life? 1 billion yen? Oh yeah I totally would defend them even if it was dirty minded LOL basically you insulted not just her friends but the court you are so desperate for my guy.
@shrimpybraincell8805
@shrimpybraincell8805 5 месяцев назад
whoever made the "Niji should've just pulled out the ukulele" comment is officially my fave person 💀
@gundamandyugioh4184
@gundamandyugioh4184 5 месяцев назад
Same, that was a good one
@astuteanansi4935
@astuteanansi4935 5 месяцев назад
All aboard the toxic work environment train~
@MeadowStargazer
@MeadowStargazer 5 месяцев назад
"Never interrupt you enemies when they're making a mistake." (c)
@njgamer7464
@njgamer7464 5 месяцев назад
"we felt threatened that she would dox us so we doxed her first"
@lawful_
@lawful_ 5 месяцев назад
Curiously, Scarle has not retweeted the video and hearted a "kurosanji" comment before it got removed in a couple of hours. Probably the most internal rebellion we've seen from a liver since the video privating incident.
@adenbishop9683
@adenbishop9683 5 месяцев назад
According to a message from Discord discussion, she said on her PL accound "soon will be back" or something like that. And according to Reddit post, several VODs of her were down right after heart being removed.
@mdb45424
@mdb45424 5 месяцев назад
She's shadow ban now.
@CidYurui
@CidYurui 5 месяцев назад
Based Scarle
@AltaniNerdAuRa
@AltaniNerdAuRa 5 месяцев назад
@@adenbishop9683 What is her PL account?
@nazunaaaaaa
@nazunaaaaaa 5 месяцев назад
@@adenbishop9683he PL description has always said that
@Unapologeticweeb
@Unapologeticweeb 5 месяцев назад
also breaking NDA in the process sharing information that dokibirds lawyer and nijisanji's lawyer agreed was confidential
@sein442
@sein442 5 месяцев назад
They did a self inspection on THEMSELF and declare there was no NDA broken lol, what a bunch of clown
@LukasJampen
@LukasJampen 5 месяцев назад
​@@sein442Same as Vox not thinking it was bullying therefor there was no bullying. Funny how that works. There is no bullying in Bas- cough Nijisanji cough
@linuxares
@linuxares 5 месяцев назад
@@LukasJampen Some rather disturing things from Vox past seem to have resurfaced as well
@Unapologeticweeb
@Unapologeticweeb 5 месяцев назад
@@sein442imagine using your own talent as a shield knowingly that this would damage and tank there reputation so they can share info they are not allowed to share no wonder people called them a black company
@Desolate-Utopia
@Desolate-Utopia 5 месяцев назад
@@LukasJampen Almost everything that Vox said in that audio was infuriating. Every comment was either patronizing or backhanded. Him and Elira really came out of this entire situation looking like complete asses.
@Hsereal
@Hsereal 5 месяцев назад
Hololive: "It's extremely unfortunate that our well-respected dragon vtuber had to leave the company amid severe public controversy." Ninisanji: "Hold my two nickels."
@lovelyfox5005
@lovelyfox5005 5 месяцев назад
We've investigated ourselves, and reached the conclusion that we did nothing wrong.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 5 месяцев назад
Niji sacrifices livers they make sure to sacrifice their popular livers first
@mayuri4184
@mayuri4184 5 месяцев назад
When they run out of livers to sacrifice, they'll sacrifice kidneys next. They'll keep going until they sacrifice brains and hearts, and even then, they won't stop. 💀
@TTULangGenius
@TTULangGenius 5 месяцев назад
@@mayuri4184 They will sacrifice children to Moloch! (but seriously, what possesses the Niji management/CEO to go "Yeah, let's treat our most popular and money making talents like trash and run them off! THAT'LL TOTALLY MAKE US MONEY AND EARN US RESPECT"!)
@bernardrednix756
@bernardrednix756 5 месяцев назад
i just finished watching asmongold reaction to the announcement he said the same thing you do
@TTULangGenius
@TTULangGenius 5 месяцев назад
@@bernardrednix756 I'll have to check it out! Have a great day, Brother!
@colt1903
@colt1903 5 месяцев назад
​@@mayuri4184 "We reject our humanity, DOKI!!!"?
@generalirons9789
@generalirons9789 5 месяцев назад
I WAS ROBBED OF MY NEOPETS STREAM, THERE SHALL BE BLOOD IN THE WATER
@corndoghead1
@corndoghead1 5 месяцев назад
Oil in the water.. as the fuel from the yacht seeps out
@longlongman9351
@longlongman9351 5 месяцев назад
They are dousing all of their talents with the fuel to use them as kindling.
@DragonScales308
@DragonScales308 5 месяцев назад
I'mma do a Metal Gear Rising moment and say, THERE WILL BE BLOOD SHED! IT'S THE ONLY THING I'LL EVER KNOW!
@setsers1
@setsers1 5 месяцев назад
lol
@trashrratt6322
@trashrratt6322 5 месяцев назад
Hopefully we get another neopets after this is done also FUCK NIJI AND ELIRA
@fieldie
@fieldie 5 месяцев назад
Just wanted to add... 🎉 CONGRATULATIONS DOKIBIRD 🎉 🎉❤ SHE HAS GOT HER 500K SUBS ❤🎉
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes 5 месяцев назад
As stressful as this is for her, it's nice to think that at the end of all this, she'll probably be one of the most successful indies of all time.
@MMDAnimatrix
@MMDAnimatrix 5 месяцев назад
The more this goes on, the more I'm glad I subbed to her dokibird channel despite having never watched any niji livers before in the past. Only learned about all this because of Twitter. And rev as well.
@TheWillriker
@TheWillriker 5 месяцев назад
i would note that Scarle remains silent, She did not dog pile. Respect to Scarle
@cristinagarrido3930
@cristinagarrido3930 5 месяцев назад
I think they took her accounts hostage for the thing she did with the kurosanji comment, so don't expect anything FROM HER NIJI ACCOUNTS at least
@michaelmann7816
@michaelmann7816 5 месяцев назад
She does appear to be fighting back in what small ways she can. I'd seriously suggest watching that space...
@zumzici1234
@zumzici1234 5 месяцев назад
​@cristinagarrido3930 she pinned her own comment in an on going chat saying she is OK and she is coming back soon. Take it as you will, I believe it but it could very well be management on her account.
@senoalamsyah7481
@senoalamsyah7481 5 месяцев назад
Maybe she just go to PL account and start with saying "i'll be back soon"
@dovahkiin5902
@dovahkiin5902 5 месяцев назад
The moment Elira goes "I was scared" my immediate reaction was "OF WHAT?" So fake
@hunzukunz
@hunzukunz 5 месяцев назад
shes probably scared every time she gets anything delivered, because her name and address is on there. threat of doxxing my ass.
@ryabread9110
@ryabread9110 5 месяцев назад
That's really the most confusing thing in the whole video. It is so unbelievable that you have to assume it's fake. She is scared of getting doxxed by Selen because Selen send her address to the Nijisanji lawyers? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe she is scared of the consequences of her own actions. That's more believable.
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
There could be a few reasons for her to be scared, from sadly the best being she was scared that if she didn't play along she would be the next 'target' to the worst being she was one of the main 'bullies' and is in full panic, deflect, coverup mode
@gaboratoria
@gaboratoria 5 месяцев назад
@@MasterLittica Yep, its basically been established now that nijisanji en management is manipulative and control a lot of what the livers do and don't do in public. So I don't buy this about almost all the livers siding against selen personally, I would wait for more definite info before making a judgement. Still, a lot of people don't care and are currently trying to harrass all the other livers and I think its excessive as a reaction.
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
@@gaboratoria I suppose the proof in the pudding will come when/if the livers leave Niji if any of them end up collabing with Doki
@Jonathan_Collins
@Jonathan_Collins 5 месяцев назад
If anyone wants to get back at Niji - the best choice is to just not interact with Niji talents or buy their stuff. Boycott will go miles more than any harassment nonsense.
@uberdiabarb
@uberdiabarb 5 месяцев назад
well they already lost some merch sponsors lol
@coffee_2234
@coffee_2234 5 месяцев назад
​​@@uberdiabarbi mean that the point let them go the way of wactor all bankrupt and stuff like that
@jordi95
@jordi95 5 месяцев назад
​@@TotallyNotCold No, and no, They are a horrible company, but you should never "joke" with this kinds of things... Do better please
@thegrim418
@thegrim418 5 месяцев назад
​@@TotallyNotColdThis glows
@mrspainofficial
@mrspainofficial 5 месяцев назад
@@TotallyNotCold its sounds good for me were i have to sign
@skyeranger
@skyeranger 5 месяцев назад
Those 3 livers are some really useful idiots for the company. They should get some good lawyers and stop doing stuff like that because they have no idea in what a mess they put themselves.
@iDeLaYeD_o
@iDeLaYeD_o 5 месяцев назад
The big thing about Doki reacting live is that she handled it gracefully and knew she couldn't stren in case something came out of her mouth
@viruswall9880
@viruswall9880 5 месяцев назад
A couple of mistakes that have popped up because of that video 1:Regardless of what Vox says Selen has never made the claim that she was harassed by her fellow livers, only nijisanji has made that claim 2: Being a part of the poor work environment does not need you to have malice to do so, A personal example to help people understand is that I was blamed by a manager for something wrong that I did not do and a coworker attempted to “comfort” me by saying that it’s best to just suck it up. This would be something that would make a poor work environment since while they might have thought that they were helping having my experience be invalidated like that was very hurtful
@chaty9903
@chaty9903 5 месяцев назад
The thing is, Nijisanji keeps leaking things that Dokibird wanted to keep private. The reasons for the graduation, the management's faults, the other livers. Doki does everything to settle this as quietly as possible, but Nijisanji struck first and keeps striking back. Someone wants Dokibird BURIED. There's just no way.
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
@@chaty9903 Pretty sure an unhealthy dose of narcissism has a lot to do with this, at this point it is reaching the point of self sabatarge and if it didn't negativly effect so many good people I would say let them keep digging that mineshaft till it collases around them.
@viruswall9880
@viruswall9880 5 месяцев назад
@@chaty9903 Oh I agree, this is more condemnation for the remaining livers to understand that just because you are named in the document as contributing factor to the poor work environment doesn’t mean that doki is saying you were harassing or that you were acting in malice Contributing to a poor work environment and trying to offer words of encouragement is something you can do simultaneously unintentionally Legal documents are extremely complex and that’s why it’s so asinine that they were not only showed them but are also having them responding to it as well
@WatcherCCG
@WatcherCCG 5 месяцев назад
@@chaty9903 A theory I've seen going around is that Niji is treating Doki like an existential threat because she beat the main penalty of graduation, the loss of a liver's fanbase. Doki basically managed to pull her entire community back from Selen's channel to her indie account, proving it's possible to graduate and still retain your followers, which defangs the big hurdle of leaving a large label behind. Thus it becomes a literal financial imperative for Anycolor to destroy Doki because she now represents the possibility for vtubers to survive graduation with their community largely intact, which incentivizes their remaining talents to flee their abusive management and cost them millions.
@X1erra
@X1erra 5 месяцев назад
Regarding your personal experience. I learned this too. Now I have to say “I really don’t know what to do / say” than try to help them move on because I might end up nvalidating one’s hard work / efforts. It’s tough being a caring person sometimes…
@GravitWry
@GravitWry 5 месяцев назад
Ok let's see.. This is a long one. >Lost more than 10% of their stock value within days and is expected to drop more in value. >People quoting that Niji lost about 150-160 Million USD and is expected to lose more. >Like a ripple in the water various artists, freelancers, minor and major businesses pull the plug and refuse to be partners with Nijisanji indefinitely or until they can properly manage their talents. >Irreparable damages both big and small, that'll forever stick with both companies for years to come. >CEO has to step off from his yacht to bow their head and apologizes to the investors first. >Drops the line "Our Livers are irreplaceable" whilst their liver from all branches drop like flies but continues to pump out VTubers despite horrible management. >Nijisanji and 3 of their "irreplaceable" Livers leaks legal documents and statements on one of their "irreplaceable" Livers channel, effectively throwing the 3 under the bus (again). >Within that stream a certain individual, Vox, states that he "thoroughly" read through legal documents meant only for Doki, her lawyers and AnyColor's lawyers, but not before saying "don't record my conversations." >If it was "So easy for her to leave" and that you were planning to "Graduate with her" why don't you show us how to properly graduate yourself, Vox. >Oh wait what? You suddenly say that you're "incredibly happy" with your job? Perfect! No need for a graduation anymore right? hope you stay in that black company for many years to come. >And so, so much more. >As a cherry on top, out of all colors, they chose black and white checkered background with the company "AnyColor" on it during their CEO's apology video and continues to stay on the black. The story writes itself, isn't that right NijiKuro?
@Omnidestrophic
@Omnidestrophic 5 месяцев назад
Sooooo I love when people say x company lost xxx money because their stock price went down. That's not really what happens. The company loses that value, makes it easier for them to be bought out, and makes it harder for them to get credit or lending. There's a lot tied to it yes, but they don't "lose" that money. They still have a significant amount of cash on hand, and expenses aren't to crazy. But share price can drop quite significantly to match cash on hand. They have more cash than debt, and that means they will never bankrupt. Now that I'm done defending their company position. They are a black company it seems. But people really need to do some DD before saying "they lost 150 million" please explain how they lost something that has no intrinsic value other than what people will pay for it. If their executives and board don't sell, then they don't lose much and can bounce back. But this situation has for sure got all their executives and board members running around screaming wtf. Major investors probably will start to pull out. But remember someone has to buy those shares.
@wickthetrickster461
@wickthetrickster461 5 месяцев назад
The true idiocy with Vox and the rest of the livers is that they are further submitting themselves to Niji. There is no way in hell the stunts they pulled won't follow them, and blacklist them from other groups like this, and without the character that Niji owns, the people behind them are just left with their own shitty selves. I don't pity them, though.
@IceHeartAlpha
@IceHeartAlpha 5 месяцев назад
anycolor, showing in black and white, their true colors aah~ in cinema, that would be a simbolic revelation of the plot
@Dyxid
@Dyxid 5 месяцев назад
Absolute insanity that Doki was going to let this go, but not only did Kurosanji insist on kicking themselves in their own ass anyway, but they gave the public laser-guided focus on which livers were likely bullying Selen when previously there were only guesses (including name-dropping Millie of all people, who was already suspect #1 but with no proof until now). They really did just set fire to the already sinking yacht while handing out lead life vests to the remaining talents.
@Dyxid
@Dyxid 5 месяцев назад
Worth noting that their Twitter account can in fact be reported for "exposing private info" now under these circumstances, so everyone get in there and do your part.
@lazyrebel5019
@lazyrebel5019 5 месяцев назад
> Makes a stream at the same time as Doki > Leaks messages > Throws Doki under the bus and creates more allegations > Doesn't provide more info about these allegations > Leaves *GIGABAD*
@amaimon8031
@amaimon8031 5 месяцев назад
CHAD*
@yege121
@yege121 5 месяцев назад
Elira is a real piece of shit for this. I don't care if she was forced. This proves she has no integrity and can't be trusted.
@Reeths-sz7rf
@Reeths-sz7rf 5 месяцев назад
@@amaimon8031 Bro either did not read at all or is a nijidrone 😃
@amaimon8031
@amaimon8031 5 месяцев назад
@@Reeths-sz7rf Moistcritikal made a video, it's joever
@Reeths-sz7rf
@Reeths-sz7rf 5 месяцев назад
@@amaimon8031been joever for a while now lmao, they just speed up the burning of the yatch every new statement
@DegenWeeb
@DegenWeeb 5 месяцев назад
What's really heartbreaking is that you could hear Doki was starting to have a panic attack when she found out during the stream. It's already disgusting enough that they posted their "responses" while she was streaming. Doing crap like this when she wants to move on and recover after trying to end herself. Don't just sink the yacht, burn it down! Edit: make sure the captain and rats go down with the yacht as well!
@Jaegerborne
@Jaegerborne 5 месяцев назад
Yeah more evidence of how malicious this company is.
@michaelmann7816
@michaelmann7816 5 месяцев назад
At this point, I don't think the boat's still floating...
@RemyWillard
@RemyWillard 5 месяцев назад
As far as I can tell, Scarle is the only one still affiliated with Niji who's worth salvaging. There may be one or two others I'm not familiar with, but a large part of Niji has shown what kind of scum they are.
@Silver82b
@Silver82b 5 месяцев назад
​@RemyWillard yeah I think Scarle and Kyo were the only ones not shilling Elira's stream
@amfrog8277
@amfrog8277 5 месяцев назад
As much as I love drama, I kinda wish this battle was between lawyers and not with talents, statements and whomever is making these twitter post decisions. If Niji JUST released that video on the official channel, I think Niji would eventually recover after a likely settlement. Now I'd be shocked if the EN branch survived all of this.
@hiimapop7755
@hiimapop7755 5 месяцев назад
All of it should have happened in the background in the first place. Nijisanji is batshit insane for taking this to the public all the way.
@KeltkeGH
@KeltkeGH 5 месяцев назад
Niji EN is going to shut down.
@AnarchyBlackoutThe2nd
@AnarchyBlackoutThe2nd 5 месяцев назад
Thank you so much Rev You, Hero Hei, KHYO, FalseEye, and Depressed Nousagi have gotten me so hooked and invested in this, it’s like watching a crime documentary Keep up the good work!
@GCJACK83
@GCJACK83 5 месяцев назад
Kurosanji's burning down, burning down, Kurosanji's burning down, my fair Dokibird. To quote Rhett Butler: "And frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
@Darkeus1
@Darkeus1 5 месяцев назад
Yeah Nijikuro. Kurosanji is not the message we think it is in Japanese.
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword 5 месяцев назад
Take the key and lock Kurosanji up, lock them up, lock them up, Take the key and lock Kurosanji up~ my fair lady.
@soku4055
@soku4055 5 месяцев назад
Leave sanji alone, he is just a cook
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack
@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack 5 месяцев назад
​@@ElizabethRoseMonadoSwordKurosanji bridge is falling down falling down Kurosanji is fallen down my fair lady
@amalgama-dette1430
@amalgama-dette1430 5 месяцев назад
Can I ask what is kurpsanji and nijikuro? Idk what it means
@advanced0018
@advanced0018 5 месяцев назад
Despite Dokibird wanting to move away from this, somehow the bullies have made themselves known. This is not only such a self report, but it's basically throwing accelerant at the active fire that is Kurosanji. They'd rather try to bury Doki than admit they were wrong, and they're only successfully digging their own hole at record breaking speeds. F the dirt, I pray Doki and her lawyer sue Kurosanji into brimstone.
@blitzkrieg8776
@blitzkrieg8776 5 месяцев назад
As a parrot once said, *"ACCELERATE!"*
@celvinardenwu5382
@celvinardenwu5382 5 месяцев назад
ACCELERATE, ACCELERATE, MORE!!!!!!!!!
@assssaaasasass
@assssaaasasass 5 месяцев назад
That's the thing with bullies, when they are at "the top" they refuse to stop because of the feeling of power, however they still thinking that they still had some sort of power backfired spectacularly.
@berzerkersyndrome
@berzerkersyndrome 5 месяцев назад
Hmm, since the documents were for the Lawyers only and with an active case running. There is one thing that is being forgotten. The management that had the documents and past them to the Livers ( also including the livers ) since it's a corporate matter as well " Should all be fired for not just leaking the documents but disclosing the documents " unless stated other but most core documents are set as NDAs.
@YamatoHotsuin
@YamatoHotsuin 5 месяцев назад
it's kind of interesting that if niji just had accepted to selen leaving in better terms earlier we could have never known about these stories and niji would have suffered almost nothing with selen leaving but for some reason they duble triple down that it's her fault and even made their livers go defend them against or not their will we will never know that at the end of the day i wish the best for doki and that niji falls.
@alertcriminal
@alertcriminal 5 месяцев назад
Niji is learning that shit like this doesn't fly outside Japan
@kekoraaaa
@kekoraaaa 5 месяцев назад
I don't think Niji is learning jack fucking shit from this debacle. Every other day they somehow keep making it worse
@StupidAnon-gn8ih
@StupidAnon-gn8ih 5 месяцев назад
It doesn't fly _inside_ of Japan either. The Japanese fanbase is absolutely torching Neglisanji right now.
@funkymonkeyman1000
@funkymonkeyman1000 5 месяцев назад
Makes sense seeing how toxic and deranged that nations society is
@GuiltlessGear
@GuiltlessGear 5 месяцев назад
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih Are they really? too many of the JP comments on the statement video are shills. Where'd you hear about this from?
@user-kq7ji1kp9r
@user-kq7ji1kp9r 5 месяцев назад
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih Hello. I'm Japanese and social media is mostly siding with Nijisanji. Japanese audience is only exposed to Anycolor's statements but not Selen's side or other context English audience is aware. People say Selen deserve to be terminated for breaking rules, and EN audiences need to have understanding that companies have rules that need to be respected.
@irishguy9001
@irishguy9001 5 месяцев назад
If the document was required to identify the alleged bullies, then Elira by saying HER info is in it, makes her much more likely to be the bully.
@snowpegasi
@snowpegasi 5 месяцев назад
Even if it's not true, these 3 dumbasses still implicated themselves in the court of public opinion.
@dlanbatal
@dlanbatal 5 месяцев назад
assuming she was not forced to read it, and her info is actually not in it, or the bulling happened in her presence, but yeah
@siekensou77
@siekensou77 5 месяцев назад
Legal document contains private details. What is so special about that? Ofc legal documents will have personal info on relevant parties
@Elmithian
@Elmithian 5 месяцев назад
@@siekensou77 This was an NDA type document between nijisanji's lawyers and Selen's... so yeah. The management team at niji are super incompetent beyond belief.
@markwatson8714
@markwatson8714 5 месяцев назад
@@Elmithian To be fair to niji, it depends on the nature of the document. Generally speaking if there's a risk of personal information being made public - say because Selen was proposing to take them to court - niji would be legally obliged to disclose that to the employees in question. NDA or for that matter any contract doesn't override the law.
@ARDIZsq
@ARDIZsq 5 месяцев назад
I’m no lawyer, but Nijisanji releasing Doki’s private information with the livers sounds VERY illegal, or at the very least some sort of breach of privacy. Nijisanji is about to collapse entirely, and it’s all their own faults. Horrible manipulative management, toxic livers, etc., they DESERVE to collapse at this point
@nathanmcclung3564
@nathanmcclung3564 5 месяцев назад
This is a rather sad situation and it is sickening to see how the company is acting. Not only are they trying to make doki's life a living hell but they are doing the most cowardly thing they can do and that is using their talents as shields to keep themselves afloat. I do feel sorry for any of the talents that are being used against their will (I can not say that all of them are completely innocent), but for those that did nothing wrong it is sad knowing that this could hurt them in the long run if they leave the company.
@unknownvariable2456
@unknownvariable2456 5 месяцев назад
so in conclusion, the harassment was coming from all of the livers within the company, or a large portion of the livers, which were being controlled and protected by management, with any supportive messages or friends being blocked out by management in an attempt to wear down her resistance, but fortunately or unfortunately, Selen was too kind to fall down to that same level of scumbaggery, and her will to live crumbled first. the company then realized she couldn't be manipulated and that trying to force it was endangering her life and that they were long past the point of causing her mental health to collapse, and tried to agressively cut ties before a major scandal happened, and in doing so, created a major scandal, they then doubled down and threw everything they had at selen which exponentially worsened the situation, and then they went and blamed that on selen as well. now they doubled down AGAIN, because they weren't satisfied with how things were turning out. "go big or go home" is apparently something they live by as a black company, and now more than ever, it's becoming increasingly obvious that they were destined to collapse with or without selens graduation, as their way of doing things is just to escalate them to the extreme until they win. TLDR: Nijisanji is run by Karens
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
Its like George Carlin said in one of his shows "It's a big club, and you aint in it" the bullies protected from any bad behaviour by the maagement and the management more than willing to throw anyone and anything under the bus if they feel like it
@DaFun4U
@DaFun4U 5 месяцев назад
Black company isnt 100% evil, it still gives the talent “maybe” 1% of merch sales, pfffft
@oveliaeinsberg9838
@oveliaeinsberg9838 5 месяцев назад
Kevins* They're all run by men in power positions. Karens would not let this happen.
@DaFun4U
@DaFun4U 5 месяцев назад
@@oveliaeinsberg9838 you mean Rikus
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
@@oveliaeinsberg9838 Hehehehe HAHAHA.. wait were you being serious?
@Na0n_idk
@Na0n_idk 5 месяцев назад
Kurosanji : "omg this whole thing is a mess" the situation: "mess? MESS??? THIS IS A WAR ZONE!!!"
@chenchen6150
@chenchen6150 5 месяцев назад
It's no longer warzone, it's over and now the surface scorched with nuclear radiation.
@zerosorigin8387
@zerosorigin8387 5 месяцев назад
@@chenchen6150Operation: Scorched Earth got taken too literally with this situation.😭💀
@IWillNotPayChildSupport
@IWillNotPayChildSupport 5 месяцев назад
This like: Second dinosaur age. Only this time, the earth dies in a fireball and there is no evolution.
@dethmedic52
@dethmedic52 5 месяцев назад
A mess, a mess? *There's a dead body over yonder this is more than simply just a MESS* 😂
@sacrashin
@sacrashin 5 месяцев назад
Elira is already below 580k as of writing this comment. So far I only followed this whole drama rather loosely, as I barely watched any Nijisanji livers and I was never a Selen fan, but this has really gotten big the past few days and I subbed to Dokibird simply out of solidarity just now, because I can't imagine how hard this all must be for her and I really wish her all the best for her future. It's amazing how she already passed the 500k mark (though I don't know how many she had before her termination, so maybe this was to be expected).
@sya2711
@sya2711 5 месяцев назад
she had about 800k iirc.
@xmant8842
@xmant8842 5 месяцев назад
When the CEO made the video, i was like "dont pretend you care! Immediately after her termination, you advertized new merch for god sake!!!"
@GarGhuul
@GarGhuul 5 месяцев назад
A black screen, with talking divided equally between them. Hmm. They couldn’t even blink in morse code to plead for help.
@Amainville93
@Amainville93 5 месяцев назад
That “stream” I guarantee was them playing a prerecorded message. No way in hell did they go live for like 15 minutes and do that without being 100% scripted. And the lack of models tells you everything you need to know: they didn’t want people analyzing their body language via their model. Why? Perhaps because it would betray a secret of sorts? Hmm.
@goddessofchaos2679
@goddessofchaos2679 5 месяцев назад
There being used and I wish ppl would understand that instead falling for this and attacking the livers not understanding there jobs are at risk and forcing them to make a statement and then claiming they made this on their own. When that’s false they didn’t decide this the company did
@gyrons6335
@gyrons6335 5 месяцев назад
@@goddessofchaos2679 Should have said no and walked, now would have been the time for them to have been able to step up. With Niji already burning, imagine them getting terminated, And them coming forward about, do you have any idea how much fuel that would add ?? Just like Hazelry said, this put a legit stain on their rep be it if they stick with Niji or left. Now, they boxed themselves in that they are and will always be at the mercy of Niji. Should have used their brain's one job being at risk or your whole career being cemented to one place and being at their mercy, which one is worse ?. What the people like you are saying should understand is this shows you will fold and betray and throw people under the bus if it means getting brownie points from people who literally have you by the balls, I would not trust or want to have anything to do with someone like that in any way, shape, form or capacity. That is what most people that are mad pissed off on about.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 5 месяцев назад
​@@goddessofchaos2679considering they are the faces of selens attackers that ship has sailed along with any support evaporated immediately
@Lesquidliestone
@Lesquidliestone 5 месяцев назад
​@goddessofchaos2679 I'mma keep it real with you, with the exception of maybe Elira(apparently she's in Japan on a work visa, so they ACTUALLY have serious leverage over her), they're adults who are not being held at literal gunpoint to say this. They decided to go ahead and spit out this corpo speak bs, and even go further beyond in Vox's case. He almost had me going with the whole "I feel betrayed by Selen" schtick. I... feel very little sympathy for them.
@lukenerdy
@lukenerdy 5 месяцев назад
I watched everything going down live and it was wild. Glad Doki has got so much support from this. AnyColor really living up to that black company title or whatever it is called.
@kinglightning5256
@kinglightning5256 5 месяцев назад
Also scarle looks like she's the next one leaving nijisanji because yesterday she'd liked a comment saying nijisanji is a black company.
@steelfallageek
@steelfallageek 5 месяцев назад
She just wanted to play Neopets and make a new Dragoon mascot. She was very upset you could tell in her voice well and frustrated. She said how she just wanted to move on idk how many times.
@Zwampify
@Zwampify 5 месяцев назад
Even in Elira's stream chat people were telling them to stop, that they were not doing themselves any favours with what they were doing.
@lukenerdy
@lukenerdy 5 месяцев назад
@@Zwampify oh for sure, you just see stream chat turn against them going from "omg hope you are ok" to L being spammed
@sirflimflam
@sirflimflam 5 месяцев назад
It's wild what is happening right now... I didn't even know who Selen was until this whole thing started, but I wish the best for her.
@MMDAnimatrix
@MMDAnimatrix 5 месяцев назад
Same. I've never even watched a niji liver before. But when all this stuff blew up on Twitter, I ended up learning everything pretty fast. Even subbed to her dokibird account to show support
@Doris-gf4hb
@Doris-gf4hb 5 месяцев назад
Same I learn from watching Mujin video about this situation and I also wish her the best luck ❤. I'm waiting for part 2 of that situation
@ShamankingZuty
@ShamankingZuty 5 месяцев назад
I'll preface this by saying I don't watch streamers or vtubers, but I heard about DokiBird on the official NeoPets Discord and was excited to see her play. I've been casually playing for over 15 years now and was happy to see someone with an audience as large as hers come and check out the site. After her stream ended last night, I had to do research to understand what was going on and it's heartbreaking. I am sad that the first experience I was going to have with a vtuber was brought to an end by a petty company who just won't leave her alone. I wish her all the best and look forward to seeing nothing but great things from her in the future.
@Based_Lord_Waifu
@Based_Lord_Waifu 5 месяцев назад
I don't think Nijisanji could have handled this situation worse at this point it's kind of impressive.
@3692Halo
@3692Halo 5 месяцев назад
maybe the PR teams are dragoons lmao
@sad_potato9230
@sad_potato9230 5 месяцев назад
Man the bar was so low it was a tripping hazard holy shit
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 5 месяцев назад
Any worse than that would be outright criminal and involve police immediately.
@happygimly6061
@happygimly6061 5 месяцев назад
They keep trying to put out the fire but they keep forgetting that their water is more flammable than Flint Michigan's.
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 5 месяцев назад
@@happygimly6061 Because their water is actually oil.
@necrodeath7726
@necrodeath7726 5 месяцев назад
Paraphrasing Bender in Futurama.. "We shall show the world we did not harass her, by harassing her!"
@konradzukowski213
@konradzukowski213 5 месяцев назад
I can only wonder how many of Niji's Livers were banning on Doki to save their own asses and how many were forced by to org in fear of losing their jobs like Doki did.
@Hollens7501
@Hollens7501 5 месяцев назад
9:56 never seen a subscriber graph look like a continental shelf diagram till now
@izumikonomi3320
@izumikonomi3320 5 месяцев назад
😂😂😂 ok this comment is just funny
@r99azm80
@r99azm80 5 месяцев назад
The fast dive yacht that could challenge the legendary Titan.
@jackbruno4748
@jackbruno4748 5 месяцев назад
Again...we need receipts of Selen being this horrible person. They claim all of this stuff but only with their words for proof. This just screams that Nijisanji just gave them a script as well and since they want to keep their job, they also threw Selen under the bus instead of standing up for her. Such a disappointment.
@rinakurirose
@rinakurirose 5 месяцев назад
I talked about this last night a few minutes after it happened with my boyfriend, and I noticed some interesting points aside from the ones mentioned by Rev. let me share. 1. Nijisanji is doing exactly what they did to Sayu (Zaion) but on a bigger, more dangerous scale. 2. It is quite interesting (and odd) they they used the 3 biggest talents after Pomu and Selen to do that stream, I am suspecting that these three livers stand strong against the company, and in retaliation Nijisanji forced them to do this. 3. I said on Twitter that I already suspected Nijisanji to basically disappear this year, Selen's termination was a huge leap towards it, and this move right here is basically them digging the grave they will be buried in. 4. I also noted that the company went international, and they still force talents to operate under Japanese labor laws despite most talents not even being from or living in Japan, I understand that there is a space of gray because it's the internet, but if a company branches out internationally, each branch should follow each country's labor laws and not override said laws, this has the potential to escalate even further. 5. The ONLY way that Nijisanji could ever recover, is if the CEO sells the company to another, more competent person that understands business better, specifically international business.
@Shendue
@Shendue 5 месяцев назад
According to other rumours from other sources (an unrelated drama from a person close to Luca who outed some presumed dirt), at the very least Vox was potentially a bully. So, I really doubt your take on point 2.
@gobalbucs
@gobalbucs 5 месяцев назад
I’m disagreeing with Point 2. I’m not going to assume they were the bullies, but they clearly demonstrated that they care more about keeping their jobs than standing with Selen. I don’t care if they were reading a script, they should have taken the moral high ground by refusing if they really cared about what was/is happening to Selen.
@CaptainDCap
@CaptainDCap 5 месяцев назад
There is no gray area on the labor laws. An employee must work compliant to labor laws of the country the work is being done in. Japanese law has no legal grounds outside of its territories.
@celvinardenwu5382
@celvinardenwu5382 5 месяцев назад
​@CaptainDCap i feel like this more of a work culture subject. Like sure you HAVE to follow the country law you are currently in but that doesn't mean they can't "adapt" their original country work culture and change it a bit but still keep more or less the same core and use it in the current country they are in. This why stuff like chinatown or asian town in major country city is created. If you ever work on one of those shop, you know the "culture" inside the job are different than let's say a cafe in small part of town.
@rinakurirose
@rinakurirose 5 месяцев назад
Ok first of all wow, didn't expect to even have interaction on my comment at all lol, and now, I find myself agreeing with the points you are all making as well, I will be truthful, I am pointing things I noticed from what we are seeing and being exposed to. What I mean to say with this that yes, all these possibilities can and will exist at the same time. Unfortunately we will never see the core of the whole situation, and I don't want to jump to conclusions, which is why I am suspecting only. I won't go and claim that the talents are one way or another because I personally do not know them, which is why I said suspect, because it can be a possibility, albeit a very small one based on the tone in which they talked, but we will never truly know. I am not expecting one or the other, but I will also not be surprised if one of the possibilities becomes the truth. At this point I am not really expecting anything that is not Doki's peace and freedom to do whatever she wants to do because she deserves it. My points are just little things that I noticed to keep in the backburner just in case. But! All that being said thank you so much for more points I also missed! There were definitely some details I didn't even know of. Now just praying that everything gets solved soon. You guys take care as well!!! May good days come to you all ❤️
@UwU-xk5cx
@UwU-xk5cx 5 месяцев назад
Notable En livers that didnt retweet the message: -Scarle (also liked a kurosanji comment and her twitter went private for a second while some VODs got erased) -Kotoka -Maria -Meloco (update, she retweeted) -Aster (update, he retweeted) -Kyo (although he's days away from graduation)
@izumikonomi3320
@izumikonomi3320 5 месяцев назад
Kotoka is still sus tho because alot of rumor regarding her connection with mel and also the incident where she backstabbed Zaion
@MMDAnimatrix
@MMDAnimatrix 5 месяцев назад
Does Scarle have an alt account? I'd like to sub to it for if she does leave niji
@UwU-xk5cx
@UwU-xk5cx 5 месяцев назад
@@MMDAnimatrix Ami Yoshiko from when she was a fleshtuber, the description says "I'll be back soon" but it's been saying that for ages now, so it's likely not in reference of recent events (or at least that wasnt the original purpose)
@MMDAnimatrix
@MMDAnimatrix 5 месяцев назад
@@UwU-xk5cx thanks. I subbed just in case she ends up returning there
@00vondough00
@00vondough00 5 месяцев назад
Don't use Twitter to gauge their side in this, as we all know, the company can and will relieve the talents' control of their respective accounts. Simply put, it is the management that runs their accounts now to stop the talents from airing "unwarranted" opinions.
@HeroGuy3
@HeroGuy3 5 месяцев назад
Another absolute banger of a statement where even if we take them at their word with the most generous interpretation it still looks disastrous Incredible work, I love the contradictions that they sprinkled in so we can't even believe everything they said if we wanted to
@Alpha17x
@Alpha17x 5 месяцев назад
What they describe is a normal legal document. If there's a necessity to name people, their legal names will be used. The person is named not the character. And that would include people who didn't do anything wrong but may be worth talking to for both sides of the argument. I suspect they were shown that document with no understanding of why it's structured the way it is, and essentially drove a bus over themselves because of it. There's a mix of nievete when some manipulation.
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
Hmm could be a case of both meatshield and scapegoating, meatshield them to get the publics hate on them, then use their nievete with some subtle manipulation to have them breach whatever contract they have and use that breach to drop them from the company. That kinda would be the Corpo thing to do, 'if' that does happen keep an eye on who tried to go Indi and who Doki tries to help/collab with
@unwornowl7003
@unwornowl7003 5 месяцев назад
The dox thing makes zero sense. Because it was the fact she had the information that seemed the issue. But you can't get rid of that knowledge without just memory wiping her. Every one of those livers know a lot about each other and you could apply the same logic to each one of them.
@Darkoriax17
@Darkoriax17 5 месяцев назад
It doesn’t make sense because it was information on a court document. No shit it’s gonna have personal identifying info on it, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO ITS ABOUT, NOT THEIR STAGE PERSONA.
@braddl9442
@braddl9442 5 месяцев назад
Niji lawyers gave them real bad legal advice.
@FrontlinerCdV
@FrontlinerCdV 5 месяцев назад
From a legal standpoint, it's not forbidden to know things, it's only forbidden for those in the know to share information they are privy to if - and ONLY IF - they signed a document/contract saying as much OR the information itself has been marked as "eyes only". None of what these cretins are saying - or rather, are being told to say - has any bearing on anything in court. A good lawyer would know this.
@xxSweetCandicexx
@xxSweetCandicexx 5 месяцев назад
They talked as if Selen has already doxxed them lol. She hadn't done anything yet and she said it's not meant to be shared
@MasterLittica
@MasterLittica 5 месяцев назад
@@xxSweetCandicexx A lot of what has come out does seem to be Niji or the livers panicing and letting out info about things that would not have been made public if not for them. That does seem to be a trend if you step back and take a look, people with a guilty conscience panicand in fear of their shady whatever being made known panic and make thing worse for themselves
@andrejdelaney4222
@andrejdelaney4222 5 месяцев назад
I don't even need to read the document. I can imagine what's actually been written in it. Probably a whole documentation of everything that led to her being pushed over the edge with receipts. That means medical records (as far as they are relevant to the case being made), private messages (which we've only seen a part of) and - of course - the real names of the people who bullied and harrassed her (that includes livers and management as well). Doki wanted to handle it gracefully and keep it private and between her and her employer only. But, of course, bullies gotta continue. They outed themselves. They DO NOT deserve you giving them the benefit of the doubt. Absolutely not. They should know better than to participate in that kind of stunt. Period.
@Riokushinaku
@Riokushinaku 5 месяцев назад
It's like Ninisanji is trying to speed run their whole company into the ground. Once they got everyone to hate them as a company they're like, "Ok, we got everyone to hate the company. Now we need to get everyone to hate the talents too. Come on, people, we need to min/max this shit!" 😂
@GrigX
@GrigX 5 месяцев назад
Only time they could do this is when Doki streams. Pure malice. Also they either broke the law or outed the parties involved meaning they just outed the bullies. They opened with: the documents sent by Selen lawyer to niji were given to them 😂😂😂
@TotallyNotCold
@TotallyNotCold 5 месяцев назад
waiiit, yeah facts. wtf. they claim they gave them the info cuz they were involved, so like who else could it be. LMFAO. I have literally never seen a worse pr team, and im a Riot Games fanboy, atleast their PR team tries to bs.
@Darkoriax17
@Darkoriax17 5 месяцев назад
So two things. Yes, they 100% just broke the law in the USA and also in Canada (where Doki lives). Releasing court documents that are under NDA is very much illegal. And now Doki’s lawyers have an even better case against Niji. Secondly. Elira was one of the names on that document. Meaning she was either a corroborative witness for Doki’s allegations, or she was indeed one of the guilty parties. And they go “oh she was gonna dox us” MF ITS A COURT DOCUMENT, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO USE REAL LIFE INFO. ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DUMB? Shame on all of them that went along with this…
@GrigX
@GrigX 5 месяцев назад
Whomever thought that stream was a W is insane. Or high as fk@@TotallyNotCold
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword 5 месяцев назад
Kurosanji bridge is falling down ~ falling down~ Kurosanji Bridge is falling down my fair lady~
@Cy_NaNa
@Cy_NaNa 5 месяцев назад
This whole situation is an amazing clusterfuck. Best anime I've ever watched.
@Akr0nic
@Akr0nic 5 месяцев назад
Glad that Rev covered the second to last paragraph, because I was reading it the same way and wanted to know if I was crazy
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo 5 месяцев назад
That company is dethroning Wactor in real time!
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 5 месяцев назад
Wactor was nijisanji's inspiration
@LukasJampen
@LukasJampen 5 месяцев назад
​@@vergillives9890the student trying to surpass the master 😂
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 5 месяцев назад
​@@LukasJampen Trying and succeeding!
@greymane_gaming3435
@greymane_gaming3435 5 месяцев назад
I've been comparing it to artisian builds from like 2 years ago... speed running ruining their company and reputations... i can't imagine a worse response to a bad situation made worse by scripted B.S. that anyone with any basic knowledge of any legal system can see red flags all over... It is like their PR branch is literally holding meetings to figure out the worst way to handle things in each step of the process.
@LukasJampen
@LukasJampen 5 месяцев назад
@@greymane_gaming3435 dragoons playing among us with niji pr
@TheSayk
@TheSayk 5 месяцев назад
Can't wait for the Japanese stock market to open to see how much more Anycolor stock tanks because of this. Ever since the announcement of Selen's graduation, their stock has went down by ~17% and the show isn't even over lmao. Their stock has already went down by ~4% since the announcement lol.
@everythingpony
@everythingpony 5 месяцев назад
It's always open
@TheSayk
@TheSayk 5 месяцев назад
@@everythingpony A quick google search will show you that what you said is wrong.
@Shendue
@Shendue 5 месяцев назад
"Negligible financial impact", BTW.
@k-disboher1105
@k-disboher1105 5 месяцев назад
@@Shendue I like how the statement basically just said that it was bad wording, as if they still aren't completely wrong regardless of wording
@TEKITOcreations
@TEKITOcreations 5 месяцев назад
7:40 It's worth noting that, according to depressed nousagi, that several niji livers took to their pl accounts and have contradicted niji's statements. This suggests that niji is indeed forcing them to make thise tweets.
@ericp631
@ericp631 5 месяцев назад
Or cover their asses. It doesn't take a genius to know which way the wind is blowing.
@sbatou87
@sbatou87 5 месяцев назад
Wait, their personal accounts contradict what they said in the video statements? Wouldn't that mean that the livers may have been forced to read the statements?
@JackedSunBeare
@JackedSunBeare 5 месяцев назад
@@sbatou87It could mean that but at this point that’s just speculation.
@sbatou87
@sbatou87 5 месяцев назад
@@JackedSunBeare "at this point that’s just speculation." True.
@yege121
@yege121 5 месяцев назад
@@ericp631 exactly. Just by releasing these statements it shows they have no integrity and will stab you in the back to save themselves. Even if they leave and go indie I would still not follow them.
@KieraAAG
@KieraAAG 5 месяцев назад
How much you want to beat the three livers are the bullies lmao
@GachaRuby
@GachaRuby 5 месяцев назад
This reminds me of the whole Vic Mignogna sitch so much, it's crazy
@shorewall
@shorewall 5 месяцев назад
Same Satanic methods.
@chenchen6150
@chenchen6150 5 месяцев назад
First John Lasseter, then Vic Mignona, then Bill Murray and now Selen... Edit : also on youtuber side Kwite and Pyro got this insane slander campaign...
@Saint_Wolf_
@Saint_Wolf_ 5 месяцев назад
Vox sounded the most scummy "graduating is always an option for livers", "I considered graduating too", and yet you're there, reading a statement instead of taking the other option which is preferable to being her friend.
@irishguy9001
@irishguy9001 5 месяцев назад
Doki had said she asked to graduate mutually but was allegedly denied. I think it's the equivalent of a company not wanting to lay someone off so they try to make conditions so bad that they quit. But instead of quitting Selen pushed back and got fired.
@inkie7583
@inkie7583 5 месяцев назад
the fact ENNA laughed about her attempt on stream and all sub tweets about her and shit she said is just vile
@Cfishies
@Cfishies 5 месяцев назад
Well she can kiss her vtubing career goodbye outside of kurosanji
@FerSkecth472
@FerSkecth472 5 месяцев назад
I think that even pawns in chess have a more honorable sacrifice than this, the three were sent to the stake without mercy to try to minimize any damage... I feel sorry for those three, but I'm not sorry for the backlash that that company is going to receive because of that.
@lord_boneman
@lord_boneman 5 месяцев назад
At this point, I think everyone sans Scarle and Rosemi is complicit. Yadda yadda “oh they were forced by management” Elira, Vox, and Ike chose to toss their so called friend under the bus.
@AltaniNerdAuRa
@AltaniNerdAuRa 5 месяцев назад
From what I've put together, Elira was potentially forced into being complicit because she is in Japan on a Work Visa.
@Ravagerblade
@Ravagerblade 5 месяцев назад
Elira chose not to have integrity it sounds like.
@gurugurumawaru7869
@gurugurumawaru7869 5 месяцев назад
@@AltaniNerdAuRaThe rumor surrounding her had gone back way before her move to Japan.
@RidleyUwO
@RidleyUwO 5 месяцев назад
@@AltaniNerdAuRaIf she were to graduate or get terminated, she’d have 3 months to find work in Japan before she had to leave. She absolutely had a choice.
@AltaniNerdAuRa
@AltaniNerdAuRa 5 месяцев назад
@@RidleyUwO She might not have felt like she did is what I am saying. They might have made it feel like they'd get her deported and wreck her financially right there. And I am not excusing what she did by the way, she could have called their bluff and made a point to document everything. But when you are scared, you might not think straight. But yes, the rest of this stinks to high heaven and KuroSanji through her and the others under the bus only to have the bus bounce, flip and land back on them.
@McZippyMedia
@McZippyMedia 5 месяцев назад
Those three seem very good at twisting words, the lies and daggers came out very naturally. Are we sure that these three are not part of the group harassing people. This is some Rising of The Shield Hero type story shit man.
@QTEila
@QTEila 5 месяцев назад
Doki said that the culprits pretty much outed themselves.
@McZippyMedia
@McZippyMedia 5 месяцев назад
@@QTEila that's crazy but not surprising at all, thanks for letting me know
@gyrons6335
@gyrons6335 5 месяцев назад
Niji = B*tch, Ike = Bow Hero, Vox = Sword Hero, Elira = Spear Hero, Kuro = Biscos ( the Head Church guy ). ... You are on to something here, does fit.
@kalinkessler5759
@kalinkessler5759 5 месяцев назад
@@McZippyMediaI mean my first question was, “Why do they have this legal document?” and the only answer I came up with is they are the bullies
@GENERALCHANNELNICK6006
@GENERALCHANNELNICK6006 5 месяцев назад
off topic : Hey man, the red line under your thumbnail looks like the already-watched video line. I almost ignored your video at first. because I was thinking I had already watched your video.
@nginx404_not_found6
@nginx404_not_found6 5 месяцев назад
Never interrupt opponents when they are making mistakes 🤣
@Hadfield15
@Hadfield15 5 месяцев назад
All I can think of right now is that meme where there’s a protest and a sign reads “our expectations for you were low, but holy FUCK” Kurosanji has it coming
@TheLoliDevotee
@TheLoliDevotee 5 месяцев назад
I'm so furious at both Nijisanji and their remaining livers for doing this, they won't leave her alone and just let her be after what she suffered at the hands of the company. I have no respect for anyone at Nijisanji running damage control for the company, this is absolutely unforgiveable Edit: _After a night to sleep on the matter, I want to say I'm genuinely more disappointed than I am anything else. As a Christian, I happen to believe there is always a path to redemption, as long as you breathe, there is still hope for you. Elira, I was a subscriber of yours until yesterday. I want you to know, while we're upset about what happened to Selen, I'd like to believe you were not part of the environment that lead to what happened. I hope each of you were forced to give a statement on the matter under legal duress. We're hurt, but don't think I hate you or wish ill-will on you, I know you can do better, even if you don't believe that, I do, hopefully we all do. You are valued and loved, I couldn't begin to voice how upset I'd be if something happened to any of you, in truth, Nijisanji is evil for forcing the three of you to speak on the matter._
@Hecatom
@Hecatom 5 месяцев назад
I wouldn't take anyone statements at face value, not even Selen's.
@2dsimp940
@2dsimp940 5 месяцев назад
I think it’s Niji’s fault since they probably forced Elira and the others into do this
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 5 месяцев назад
​​@@Hecatom Cold news enjoyer, I presume? If you're waiting for receipts, that's prudent.
@Salmagros
@Salmagros 5 месяцев назад
@@Hecatom Most people didn't take those statements at face value. It's Nijisanji themselves showing us what they truly are throughout the year and confirmed those statements.
@gcjas1998
@gcjas1998 5 месяцев назад
@@Hecatom Good to be objective. Just a heads up that Selen had planned for a peaceful, regular graduation at 26th January and despite her attempt, wanted to leave without making a greater fuss. Niji was the one that escalated things so badly that ran a smear campaign on her name, and made the termination known publicly, and went in excruciating detail to inform people of her hiccups and "lack of cooperation", in a 3 documents long format. Which is quite honestly unheard of. Every step of the way after, its their very own actions and attempts at clearing their name and defaming Doki further, that made them hated more and more. They are just shooting themselves in the foot with every statement they make. Doki had moved on with the situation already, and now they leaked a signed document that was to stay between very specific parties, which naturally leads us to the court.
@mythoceanas8874
@mythoceanas8874 5 месяцев назад
It’s like the Godfather, knew the statement was coming just didn’t know who was going to make it. Now we know.
@STOTTINMAD
@STOTTINMAD 5 месяцев назад
Crazy that this kicked off right as I went to bed
@CGR89
@CGR89 5 месяцев назад
How have they not just hired a PR department at this point to try and recover from this? It feels like middle management pulling double duty as PR and failing hard at it.
@LukasJampen
@LukasJampen 5 месяцев назад
My favourite theory is that the pr manager for Kurosanji is an undercover dragoon. Not likely but a hilarious theory non the less.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 5 месяцев назад
Selen was the pr department
@fnors2
@fnors2 5 месяцев назад
Feels like the PR department told them something they didn't like, so they ignored it. The same way they seemed to ignore their legal team's advice. There is no lawyer (who wants to keep his licence) that would tell the it's ok to share the documents that were agreed to not be shared.
@klopferator
@klopferator 5 месяцев назад
Maybe they got their PR people from the same place they got their lawyers from: online commenters who claim they are experts. And by now I don't even know if a PR firm would be willing to take over this dumbster fire.
@vinniesniper
@vinniesniper 5 месяцев назад
Because that would eat into the funds for the yacht that's solely devoted to displaying all the silver play buttons? Duh
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword
@ElizabethRoseMonadoSword 5 месяцев назад
Also Scarle is based on this! Please support Doki, Sayu and of course Yoshiko!
@SEVENNumber-my1gj
@SEVENNumber-my1gj 5 месяцев назад
Who is Yoshiko
@astergrimm
@astergrimm 5 месяцев назад
Thanks...I was looking for her name earlier 👍😁
@lukeg7517
@lukeg7517 5 месяцев назад
​​@@SEVENNumber-my1gjThat is Scarle before she joined NIJI
@donzapatero4808
@donzapatero4808 5 месяцев назад
At this point very few of the livers can be saved. scarle is one of the few. I pray a better company can snatch her up and save her from kurosanjis attempts to use their livers as meat shields
@apostleoftheelite1stapostl20
@apostleoftheelite1stapostl20 5 месяцев назад
​@@lukeg7517yoshiko what? I can't find her
@Alexandragon1
@Alexandragon1 5 месяцев назад
Thx for the video, Rev!
@kalamari3288
@kalamari3288 5 месяцев назад
“Anycolor has investigated Anycolor and determined that Anycolor has done nothing wrong.”
@MorguerotheGaming
@MorguerotheGaming 5 месяцев назад
Niji: "ow we shot ourselves in the foot" Niji pointing pewpew at other foot: "huh I wonder what'll happen"
@user-fu5md4wu6r
@user-fu5md4wu6r 5 месяцев назад
"I probably shouldn't shoot myself in the foot with a handgun. I'll use a shotgun."
@Sombody123
@Sombody123 5 месяцев назад
"What if I put it in my mouth next..."
@lostnemesis
@lostnemesis 5 месяцев назад
I wonder who thought this was a good idea? Using a document that you had a legal agreement to never touch...That's not very smart.
@jy4057
@jy4057 5 месяцев назад
The video was so strange, so robotic and so scripted it's so bad. Idk if it was a situation where Niji wrote it up and said "read this or graduate", but the livers could've just said "no" and suffer the consequences. Sayu was right when there are livers that are willing to throw other livers under the bus to save their own ass because they probably think they're nothing outside of Niji. Now if anyone else in NijiEN leaves, they're going to be nobodies. Pomu jumped ship before it hit the iceberg lol. This is ALSO Anycolor throwing NijiEN under the bus! LOL. At this point I would not be surprised if NijiEN management went on their livers Twitter accounts and retweeted that video for them 💀.
@randomcat1151
@randomcat1151 5 месяцев назад
Well, let's be real here, how many people would actually save their own asses when given the option to in exchange for another person being in trouble instead? If it were the minority then life would have been alot better by now. I'm staying neutral until doki confirms (if she ever will) who the people who "bullied" her are. But rn it just looks like management is the one that did considering they're the ones that manage shit. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@ericxir
@ericxir 5 месяцев назад
Man, this week is gonna be so entertaining. At least on the birdapp rabbithole
@feathertail2891
@feathertail2891 5 месяцев назад
"I always come back" - some black company.
@hunterlurvey698
@hunterlurvey698 5 месяцев назад
IS THAT THE GRADUATION OF 87??
@JakeYearwood
@JakeYearwood 5 месяцев назад
@@hunterlurvey698 🤯😱🤯😱🤯
@lev_n
@lev_n 5 месяцев назад
With all the colors of the rainbow combined, it makes black
@SelecaoOfMidas
@SelecaoOfMidas 5 месяцев назад
Sure, if we're talking about pigment, because Anycolor is certainly not of the light.
@lonndragon
@lonndragon 5 месяцев назад
That video from Nijisanji EN has over 68,000 dislikes right now Vs 14,000 likes. They are toast
@SafeIsJustAShadow409
@SafeIsJustAShadow409 5 месяцев назад
Make that 126k dislikes. As you said, they are toast
@1Patrick
@1Patrick 5 месяцев назад
In comparison to all this, Mel's termination was the most wholesome termination you've ever seen lol.
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