My thought exactly! A pair of used Recaros would've settled the comfort issue...Mr. Nut should lose those two piles of junk in the back and give the rest of the fleet their due
Never underestimate the aggro a car causes you when you find it's uncomfortable for protracted periods of driving. You just can't test drive a car for 3hrs/150 miles. I had a MKV Golf that went after 2 weeks cos I just couldn't get comfy in it.
Back in the 60's my Dad used to berate his brother saying 'you change cars every time the ashtray is full' as he used to get so many different cars, lol ;-)
I had a 1.8 s for 10 years, never had a car that more perfectly match my needs at the time. I have back problems but using the lumber adjustment found it really comfortable, thoroughly enjoyed the handling and the bulletproof reliability. Only thing that could improve it would be a tighter turning circle.
@@michaeltutty1540 but the mpg will disappoint you and Ian needs to drive long distances. In The Netherlands propane (LPG) is very cheap compared to petrol which is ridiculously taxed, so daily driven Volvo 240/740 and Saab 99/900 usually had an LPG tank. Mileages over 300,000 km were considered being just run-in.
My grandpa had this model primera. A bordaux red sedan. With a 2.0 engine. Electric windows a/c, good stereo. He used it for his caravan travel true Europe. Nice car
Bye bye Peggy the Primera, hello Muriel the Mazda, preferably a 626 Wagon, guessing here, obviously. Thank you HubNut, a fun lunchtime 'vloggy' upload!
I'll say it again - try a gen 2 Prius. Even more comfortable than my Xantia (in fact if the Prius had the suspension from the Citroen it would be just about perfect in my weird opinion).
I sometimes wonder what designers were thinking when they were designing wiper stalks. Some older cars seem to have intermittent operation added as an afterthought, so you need to push the stalk down for intermittent or flick wipe and for continuous operation you need to push it up (Volkswagen Golf Mk2, Talbot-Matra Murena, Volvo 400 series). Ford has rear wiper operation by pulling the wiper stalk, front washer is operated by a pushbutton at end of the stalk. This confused me every time I drove my wife's Focus, when I wanted to wash the front windscreen I was wash/wiping the rear window. Modern Volvo has in my opinion the best user interface: a rocker switch at the end of the stalk to operate the rear wiper. Pull stalk towards you = front windscreen wash, push stalk away from you = rear winsdscreen. A honest mention for phase 1 Peugeot 205: front and rear washers are always operated simultaneaously! "Dites donc, quand la pare-brise est sale, on a besoin du lave-glace arrière aussi" is what they must have been thinking.
@Alfred Wedmore mais bien sûr! Une pompe d'essuie-glace économisé et opération simplifiée, c'est magnifique! Comme les Anglais dit: tuer deux oiseaux avec une pierre 😂 It was rectified in phase 2 though, where you had to turn the knob at the end of the stalk to get rear wiper action.
I owned a P10 diesel for a couple of years. Lovely car , when i test drove the p11 i was a little disappointed with the looks interior and comfort. i am now on the look out for another p10 .
Oooo Chester! My home! Yeah comfort is a big thing for me, not only for my dodgy back but also my 6'5" frame. My V70 knocks everything our the water for comfort to be honest. Kinda sad to see the Primera go but also know the lack of bond with it too. Looking forward to your next fleet member
The Primera P11-144 1.8S has fulfilled my motoring needs for the past 14 years. I kept my first for 9 years and I'm into my 6th year with the second. (I keep cars for a long time). I agree about the comfort. The driver's seat is awful. I don't know why I put up with it!
Farewell Primera, it's been fun while it lasted! @HubNut - just remember to take all your belongings with you when you do the swap (watched the vids out of order and couldn't resist ! (Pretending I haven't watched the next video in advance) Eagerly await the reveal - hope it's a Lada 1200 !
I'd think that with all the trouble and money spent with Rita and Peggy, the Delica would've been fixed two times over and been a reliable and spacious family transport/mobile studio
Don't forget the fact that he makes videos and isn't just buying a car to be reliable and keep for years and years. There is always going to be rotation for a RU-vid channel, as well as he likes trying different cars. Fox, Elly, TWC, Matiz are all keepers, but they can't all be keepers or he'd never have anything to show us
I'm sorry to see this go. Seems like "you can' t with a Nissan" in this case! Seat comfort in my 2003 Almera N16 isn't the best either. The rear wiper is on a twiddly thing too.
If you need to drive long distances a car that doesn't give you a bad back wins over everything. It's all down to individual physiology and posture -sometimes even the cheapest and most basic seat can be more comfortable than the most elaborately designed and infinitely adjustable offering.
My friend owns a Honda civic and that was un comfy on the rear. His brother owned a Suzuki Swift and I was surprised with the comfort. I was expecting to be in agony. Both cars were used to take us to the NEC classic car show from Scotland. Down and back up on the same day 😀 The Civic was agony and amazing that the Swift was comfy no arse ache. Comfort rules then reliability and finally handling. In that order 😀 for me. Looks and practicality also considered.
I'm surprised you found the Primera uncomfortable, I owned a P10 for 7 years then the P11-144 for another 8 years and didn't suffer these problems. I agree about hunting for the torque but compared to my now Ford Fiesta 1.4 the primera went like a rocket ship.
I think the Hubnut channel needs to sample the delights of a Peugeot 406. I never keep cars too long but had mine 10yrs. Was such a good all round motor.
Interesting...for some time now car makers seem to have been designing for motoring journalists rather than real people...so we get skinny tires, hard seats and suspension, BMW awful styling and VW’s shitty touch screen and crap software. I’m losing interest in cars and developing a love for bicycles! Back to basics.
Footnote - I once owned a Mk1 Primera eGT and it was great (except for hard ride)! And my boredom with new cars is with the possible exception of the Peugeot 508 SW but it’s a bit pricy and liable to scary depreciation...
You really need a MK3 Mondeo in your life Ian. Comfort, handling, good build, very practical and the v6s sound lovely. Fingers crossed Peggy is being swapped for one of those!
I'm sad to see Peggy the Primera go, but I think your comments about the seat comfort of the P11 being only OK when you start - then getting worse on a long journey - are valid. As a family car that was a very reliable weekday commuting car for my late wife, our 1997 1.6 SLX P11 was great, and still much missed. Cheerio Peggy! Hope you get a lot of love.
Will be sad to see Peggy the Primera go. There was something very honest about her but a man has to be comfy. I'm still thinking the next one may be a Citroen C5
It is a pity the Primera didn't quite suit you Ian. We had a 2.0 SE manual P11 Primera here in New Zealand. A used japanese import. I was keen to get a european car at the time and we tried Citroen Xantia, Peugeot 306 and 405's which were mostly auto's because that's what they import here :-(. Before trying the manual Primera. Wow what a difference, the Primera was just so well built and lively in comparision. We owned it for about 12 years, put over 150,000km on it, and loved it - especially the high revving engine, fantastic handling (the ability to get the back to step out on the way into corners made it so enjoyable to push), and how reliable and robust it was. It was noisy on the chip seal roads here, but a switch to Dunlop tyres made a big difference. Because I get a bit twitchy with higher milage cars, we bought a Ford Mondeo Zetec to replace it. Mostly because reviews said the Mondeo was the best riding and handling saloon at the time, and it was manual. We eventually sold the Mondeo, and kept the Primera for another 50,000km. The Primera was just better, particularly more reliable, more comfortable, more lively and way better handling. When it had about 250,000km on it, we eventually replaced the Primera with a Mk5 GTi Golf. That was a step up in performance and specification, but I still miss the Primera.
For me if I keep a car for more than 3 months I class that as long term ownership!!! I enjoy the chase and excitement of buying a new (to me) car, everything from trawling through auto trader, ebay, car and classic etc to see what takes my fancy usually costing no more than £1,500 then going to wherever it is in the country (usually by train) to get it and driving it home, clean it up and drive it for a while then get bored and start again. People often poke fun at me for how often I change cars but I keep recycling the same £1,000 - £1,500 when I buy and sell and get to experience lots of different cars which I find much more fun and exciting than some people who are tied to cars for years costing them £hundreds per month on some main dealer finance scheme not to mention £thousands in depreciation. I know which I prefer!!!
I had a P12, I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who found it cumbersome around town and at low speeds. Brilliant on the motorway, not so clever elsewhere.
@@gordonbartlettgb funny I never really think of them as p10 11 12. In the plant it was EC ED and then I think EQ. But for me p10=mk1 p11= mk2 the p11 face-lift was mk3 p12 =mk4.
@@cornishhh come off it, even today it's always a Peugeot or a Renault that's conked out on the motorway. Not as many Citroens cos nobody's buying em. Sad but fact, have to drive a long way to find a Citroen franchise near me, all changed to Kia, Hyundai & MG years ago
funny you should say about comfort. I had a P11 Primera for 17 years. I ended up really missing it, so much so that I sat in one in a second hand dealer to see if it was really was good as I remember it. Sadly, you are right, it felt very narrow, cheap, plasticky and the seats were hard. I remembered that when I bought it I was 30 and weighed 75kg, now I'm 51 and weigh 90kg so I'm bigger. I think we tend to forget how our body changes when we remember cars we used to own when we were younger.
with the possibility of more mileage looming, comfy seats will be a must. velour are an obvious choice. extra boot space for the shopping run is also high up. waft mode must be up there. And you like old fashioned estates. i expect it will be none of those.
Agreed - hired a Merc A-class and the sports seats on that have given me real problems after just a few days. The Vauxhall Corsa I've just taken delivery of is much better.
Its comfortable i have one, the diesel one. I had a seat ibiza...now that was not comfortable. The primera is also the best car i've had. I had peugeots, fiats, etc. I had skodas but they are all over used in used market.
I've always thought the Citroen C5 V6 would be an ideal car for the HubNut family. I'd like to try one myself at some point although I don't think I could part with my Laguna II or 75 to be honest!
Stalking - my bro's Audi the switch between main and dipped beam is fairly conventional but the stalk springs back to centre and there's no 'keyclick' to suggest you've triggered the function - and that's one of the things I dislike about the car. The others are the lack of servo on the parking brake, the leg rest agains the centre console as it has an edge designed to cut into the side of the leg, the leccy windows stick up and the doors need more slam than they ought to. But it's a great car to drive (A1).
Comfort, it surely can't be that bad Ian ,but I will agree I think its a bit boring for HubNut I'm sure you have something more interesting up your sleeve for sure 🙃👍
just look at all all those knobs and switches laid out in the PERFECT position, easy to see/reach and use ,sweet perfection, try and find a current car with controls laid out so well , i think you`ll struggle
my n15 pulsar rear wiper had a twist to turn intermittent on and another twist for constant and another for squirt that reverts back to wipe after letting go.
Pick yourself up a Saab 9-5 Aero Ian, they meet your criteria now. No longer made, comfy, handle well, spacious, different, and go wrong just enough to give you some content. (They are bloody quick as well) 😆
Ian, you’ve owned many cars in your life and yet you buy them often as an ‘answer’ to a need. ‘We need a practical family car’ so out went the Rover 75 and in came the Primera - but of course let’s not forget the Vectra before these too and remember the Delica - I think it’s time to reflect, while you seek an answer to a need, you just want to try out different cars and some might be the answer to a need but many simply are for the learning of what they are like (and increasingly form content for your channel). In short, you go on buying and reviewing and trying cars and making great content - but don’t believe they will somehow solve a problem, or be the answer. If that was the case you’d be a Sheep like so many and just have an SUV for stuff and a family car. I’m surprised you’ve not had a Volvo estate - comfy, reliable, spacious and a classic
Low torque on THAT GENERATION of multi valve engines is true. I agree. Another example is the Saab GM900 2.0L 16V. Gutless at low revs. But on newer engines many brands introduced variable valve timing on 1 or sometimes even both cams. That fixed it.
I feel really sad that you part with the Primera, I will certainly look at Primera station when I am up for another car. I looked when I was to buy a new car for a Primera station alas the garage I was and went for a drive, weren't at a;ll interested whether I wanted to buy or not and so I handed the key and I was gone. I liked it very much. Nice touch underrated so very cheap to buy one. In 2008 a primera station was about 8000 euro's .
You dont need to take your hand off the wheel in a 2CV to operate the important controls ... horn, indicators 😁. In a ripple that's just horn albeit town & country on mine 😊
Could not agree more about column switch gear, contributes more to the driving experience than you might think. I couldn't name a vehicle that I personally thought was perfect in that area but the Citroen satellite switch clusters came very close. I, perversely perhaps, like non self cancelling indicators. The swap anticipation forced me to buy a large bag of toffee popcorn.
Having just handed back a Mercedes A-class with indicators *and* front and rear wipers all on one stalk (the other was the auto trans selector) I concur. It was bloody horrible.
I've just caught up on this channel. If Mr HubNut's after comfort and handling with good performance, I'd like to think the Primera's replacement would be a mk1 1999MY Ford Focus 2.0 Ghia 4dr saloon, in that Aquamarine Frost, or the lovely Metallic Harvest Gold they did them in first of all. I once hired one from SCOT car hire in Exeter many many moons ago, and even though I had the pleasure of driving many different cars from there, I considered the Focus saloon the very best of all!
Well I would suggest a Citroen xantia 2.0 hdi, they are very comfortable. Go very well around corners. And they feel very light on the road. Plenty of room for luggage, and very roomy interior as well!
Try a mk3 Ford Mondeo, very spacious, massive boot, good handling & fairly comfortable. Downside is an interior almost as boring as this Nissan, if solid & well designed. See how you get on.
You've only had it 5 mins ! and you keep the Olcit and Sana wrecks , but they are your cars and it is your vlog so you can do what you like , good luck to you.
From what I’ve noticed the only cars that stay on the Hubnut fleet are cars that are weird and quirky and Ooze personality. The Primera is a great drivers car, I didn’t find mine uncomfortable just a bit dull.
The Primera is an excellent car. I have the Sunny N14 1.4i, which was built around the same time as the Primera (however, I believe they were assembled in Japan), but it sounds awesome, needs very little maintenance, good handling, great clutch and gearbox, comfy seats, easy to work on and has some nice little extras like an electric sunroof.
