NIST and UL Research: Studying Fire Behavior and Fireground Tactics Part 1 and 2 - Workshop

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Over the past several years, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) and Underwriters Laboratories (UL) have been working together with the fire service to examine fire dynamics and fire fighting tactics. More than a hundred experiments have examined the changes in the fire environment over time, impact of ventilating ventilation limited fires, implications of flow control and effectiveness in suppression tactics. These experiments were conducted with fire fighters from across the country from departments of different types, with varying levels of staffing, resources and operating procedures. The NIST and UL studies have produced tactical considerations that have become common themes over several studies which may change the way you view your standard operating guidelines.

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@kcfdscott 10 лет назад

You need to add a small window in the corner of the screen so you can see the video screen and PowerPoint better. I would really like to see the graphs that they are referring to.

@FireTrainingToolbox 11 лет назад

Great video and the point of his intro story...RIGHT ON!! We can NEVER stop learning!! Thank you.

@JohnSmith-zv5eu 8 лет назад

I know you guys think you have some revolutionary idea here but have you every read Lloyd Laymen's work? He found the same things in the 1950s. I am a lot older than you guys and when I tried these tactics in the early 1970 they worked very well but I was viewed a nutter because it was all about getting inside. I find it hard to believe this same argument is still going on. I know that I trained officers to use these tactical approaches and they had good success. I just re-read a training handout I was given in The Fire Service Degree Program from 1973: "Ventilation must be coordinated with fire attack and can be considered an element of the attack. Ventilation should never be undertaken until lines are charged in place and read to flow water on to the fire. Ventilation always results in an increase in fire intensity in the case of an oxygen starved fire." New terminology, same science.

@JB91710 5 лет назад

Late 60's and Early 70's. We believed in K.I.S.S. only because it was Obvious. As you said, these guys are just getting back to basics where they should have never left.

@laurensimon3562 6 лет назад

Wow. So departments aren't reading ATF reports or continuing education? I never had to understand fire dynamics until I had to. I find is strange we aren't talking about rescuing victims.

@Chikaveh 2 года назад

Although this was a very informative video, it would have been much more valuable had the presentation the speakers were referencing been the focus of the video. The speakers could have easily been minimized to a smaller window against the presentation.

@321southtube 10 лет назад

Great training and great concepts however; in the first 5 minutes it seems the instructor is throwing a jab at Chief Brennen and Chief Brunacini. I have never heard these gentleman speak against change and logical tactics. Speaking negatively about two persons who have more insight, experiance and intelligence than the instructor will ever have is a turn off to the individuals attending. Its hard to continue to listen when someone you respect is being poked at. Great training...good job but "Instructor 101" don't start with opinion, criticize others or anger your students. Sell your ideas for what they are and on their own merit...don't toot your own horn or belittle others.

@WeekendFirefighters 10 лет назад

I would like to mention I was sitting in the audience there back in 2012, in that very room, which Chief Alkonis is illustrating during the video introduction. He is NOT talking about those Fire Service leaders, as you claim. Besides which, those viewpoints he is referring to were prior to the widespread acceptance that NIST and UL now hold among the fire service.

@JosePerez-fq4tb 10 лет назад

Weekend Firefighter Hey brother, do you have video of the ventilation hole with fire coming from it and then goes into the decay phase? It was on youtube, but seems someone took it down. Is there anyway you could out it back up?

@WeekendFirefighters 10 лет назад

Jose Perez Hello brother, I sent you a private message. Check your RU-vid inbox.

@CommandFireApparatus 9 лет назад

Daren Garcia Tom Brennan passed away in 2006.

@321southtube 9 лет назад

sellfiretrucks I stand corrected, I was reminded Chief Brennan died in 06. I don't believe anyone should "throw away the science". I've been taught by some great firefighters in my career; Chief Ray Hoff and Chief Ray Hoff, Chief Rick Kolamay and FF Andrew Fredricks and Chief Eddy Enright and Chief Brennan, FF Jason Brezlar and Lt Ray McCormick to name a few....I'm not throwing out what they have said either. Science has its place and should be considered but we need to acknowledge that civilians are doing the testing and civilians are making demands of change. These organizations feel that interior fire fighting is to dangerous. They believe the fire should be fought from the outside and then and only then do you enter and overhaul.....oh yeah, if you've got time...do some salvage work and check for victims. Civilians run out of fires, civilians think our job is dangerous and....it is.We need to use the science but understand the only way to truly make it safe is to stay out. When we start writing people off and putting ourselves as # 1...we have stopped being firefighters. Please attend a class by Lt McCormick or FF Jason Brezlar, they explain it well better than I do. Please view Lt McCormicks FDIC speech on RU-vid. All the information and training we receive should be absorbed and practiced but please don't toss away what you've been taught up to now either. I respect and apply the UL and NIOSH findings. Fire fighting is not the most dangerous jobs....it doesn't even make the top 10 BUT it is the most respected profession. This was earned by intelligent, heroic and dangerous acts of bravery. Not from sitting outside and writing buildings and people off. Be safe but this isn't always 100% doable in a burning building. You could get killed on the way there! Remaining in the lazy boys when the tones go out is the safest thing you can do. However, if youre going to earn your pay and title.....More importantly, be smart and be a Firefighter.