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Nathan Orr and Roman Baugh teach a segment of the Kalos pipefitting class, focusing on the importance of purging and flowing nitrogen during the brazing process. They also focus on torch use. This video is the second in a short series about pipefitting practices for commercial HVAC/R.
Purging and flowing nitrogen while brazing displace oxygen and keep it out of the copper tubing, preventing the formation of cupric oxide inside the tubing. However, if left uncapped or unsealed, the tubing may be contaminated before brazing, and we should do a visual inspection to check for foreign objects or contamination. To reduce the risk of contaminating the copper tubing with shavings, we should clean the copper before we cut it, use a proper tubing cutter, and be careful not to let the burr or shavings fall in after deburring. Failure to deburr or ream the copper can cause turbulent flow in the lines, leading to possible vibration leaks. Complacency during the tubing preparation process often leads to errors.
When it’s time to insert the tubing, the depth of the fitting should be equal to the tubing diameter. There should also be very little space between the tubing surfaces; wide gaps between surfaces lead to poor penetration due to insufficient capillary action.
We purge systems with nitrogen to displace oxygen inside the tubing before brazing; purging requires a higher SCFH output than flowing. After purging, we flow the nitrogen at a much lower SCFH output to keep oxygen from going back into the tubing, and we keep flowing during the actual brazing process. Note that flowing nitrogen is NOT the same as pressurizing with nitrogen, and we’ll want to keep from sending nitrogen through live refrigerant circuits and components (like valves, compressors, etc.). If we don’t purge the system and flow nitrogen while brazing, we’ll get black scale buildup, which can be mistaken for burning the pipe at first glance; heating the joint doesn’t cause black scale (cupric oxide) buildup; brazing without flowing nitrogen does.
Brazing often happens near heat-sensitive components, including valves. We must protect those with heat-blocking putty and wet rags to avoid damaging them. When working with valves with sensitive seals or gaskets, we should ensure that those are in the mid-seated position before we start brazing.
The main two factors that will dictate torch selection are piping diameter and application (i.e., accessibility and clearances). Some torch tips are designed to help apply heat evenly in tight spaces, like the Cap’n Hook tip. Rosebud tips are ideal for applying heat over a relatively large area. Torch tips that are too small cannot adequately heat a joint and can lead to leaks in the future, and tips that are too big expend oxygen and acetylene too quickly.
When we set oxygen and acetylene pressures, we have to make sure the regulators are shut off and that you know which gauges are for your tanks and which ones are for your hoses. Bubble test the connections and hoses for leaks, and be sure to set the tank pressures at the regulator instead of the handle.
Flames come in three varieties: carburizing, neutral, and oxidizing. Carburizing flames have excess acetylene and have large secondary feathers; these can cause chemical reactions on the surface of the base metal, so we want to avoid using these flames. The neutral flame, which has an even mix of oxygen and acetylene, is the most desirable flame we can have. Oxidizing flames have too much oxygen, have a small cone, and lack a secondary feather; these flames can cause cupric oxide to build up inside the joint.
The ideal brazing technique is to start by brazing the joint closest to the nitrogen source. To begin heating the joint, start by applying the torch to the male end of the connection and then gradually apply heat to the whole joint. The torch doesn’t melt the alloy, as it doesn’t enable the alloy to draw deep into the joint; instead, the base metal should be hot enough to melt the alloy. When copper is hot enough to melt the alloy, it turns a cherry red color. While you’re heating the joint, move the torch slightly to keep the heat evenly distributed, but try not to move the torch too much; otherwise, the joint might not heat up properly.
Some common problems pop up when we’re dealing with joints that are too hot, joints that are too cold, or tubing gaps that are too wide. Proper tubing preparation and torch use will help you avoid these problems and their consequences, including leaks and pipe damage.
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@jeffb8437
@jeffb8437 11 месяцев назад
As usual, good stuff!
@bobrub
@bobrub 11 месяцев назад
Hi Brian, I learned copper brazing as an apprentice union plumber about 40 years ago. We had a lot of hospital work requiring medical gas piping which all had to be state certified for purity and lack of cross connections. In school where we tested for our personal Med Gas License we tested by cutting out our test joints and quartering them as you show but also had to prove 100% braze penetration at all points of the test coupon or would fail and no state license. To do this you use the vise anvil to 1st flatten all 4 of the 1/4 coupon pieces and then keep pounding it to a point where the 2 pieces of the 1/4 coupon would fall apart and then the test proctor would check it for ANY voids of filler metal which will show up quite easily using this test process. You see, any gaps or voids in a med gas joint are considered breeding grounds for bacteria/virus which could be deadly in hospitals we were taught. Just get it cherry red before touching a stick of Stay-Silv 15 to it and letting capillary action do it's thing. We always used Pure Dry Nitrogen to purge the O2 out and then a 3 to 5 bubble flow after the purge while brazing and cool down for at least 5 minutes Love all your videos, Bob R.
@garza7676
@garza7676 11 месяцев назад
No one ever talks about using nitrogen when unsweating a fitting . I’m assuming it’s just as important installing a new line . Great class again . Love the animation . Hands down the best teaching tool .
@Thebytedoc69
@Thebytedoc69 7 месяцев назад
You all do a great job. Thank You very much!!!
@ramrod19
@ramrod19 11 месяцев назад
Nathan was great throughout this video. More of him pls
@arthuraucar3696
@arthuraucar3696 11 месяцев назад
Great video! Very informative! Thanks again!!👍👍👍
@winstagram1785
@winstagram1785 5 месяцев назад
I hope you realize the profound effects you are making on our entire industry. Your videos are the most helpful and applicable information I’ve ever come across. Please keep pushing and continuing to do what you are doing.
@supermo26
@supermo26 11 месяцев назад
Good video and great comments.
@tadeuszc9294
@tadeuszc9294 11 месяцев назад
Dziękuję , dobra, mądra lekcja👍
@elijahbrown9738
@elijahbrown9738 11 месяцев назад
I need a class on how to actually get my guys to follow these practices...
@otm646
@otm646 11 месяцев назад
It's called leadership my guy.
@theastuteangler
@theastuteangler 11 месяцев назад
Stop hiring coke heads and drop-outs.
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 11 месяцев назад
On my end the key thing is I need to be allowed to do it. I need to be allowed to have a spare tank of nitrogen on my vehicle at all times. If I don't have spare nitrogen, eventually I simply won't have nitrogen. Also I will need to be given adequate time for the job. At the end of the day I just need to make rent, if you want it done fast, with minimal resources... Well it is your company and your rules. I Will do what you require at least until I find a better job.
@elijahbrown9738
@elijahbrown9738 11 месяцев назад
​@@vidard9863the reason I started my own business is because the company I was working for the past 15 years asked me to start doing two systems a day like they required other leads to do. While continuing my same responsibilities of training all the new employees and going behind and fixing all the issues left by the guys having to do two installs a day.
@elijahbrown9738
@elijahbrown9738 11 месяцев назад
​@@otm646I bet you thought that was clever, and clearly don't live in the real world.
@Ali.A72
@Ali.A72 11 месяцев назад
Brians smirk while talking about tip selection at 21:25 😆
@Refindustry
@Refindustry 11 месяцев назад
Thanks, go ahead! 😀
@grzegorztoczek6497
@grzegorztoczek6497 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for app. Have you any Turbocor case on your trainings?
@maubunky1
@maubunky1 11 месяцев назад
Exactly what is going to fail on my residential American Standard 5 ton air conditioning unit now that I caught the young kid doing the brand new install with new lines not using nitrogen. I went downstairs in the basement where he was brazing, and asked him if was using N. He lied and said yes. I went outside and took a picture of his N tank sitting there not connected to the lines, and my systems high and low lines open to atmosphere on the outside of the house. I called his boss, his boss called him, and he lied to his boss, until his boss made him walk upstairs and outside and describe what he sees in regards to his N tank. Then he tried to cover it up saying "it's only for your warranty, it doesn't actually hurt anything". And then the owner called me and said he never uses N and not to worry about it, that the newly installed in line filter/dryer will filter out all the carbon anyways. I feel like the whole company is a bunch of liars so I don't know what to believe at this point. Seems like equipment here in the midwest only lasts 10 years anyways, and then starts leaking or failing one component at a time, A-coil, compressor, txv valve, capacitor, relay, leaking schrader valves, fried bell end of a fancy pants dc computer controlled fan motor, you name it. It's been working for 4 years, but have a feeling I'll be replacing it 6 years from now.
@choppergunner1408
@choppergunner1408 11 месяцев назад
Ideally you do flow nitrogen. But I’ll say I’ve been brazing with no nitrogen for 40 years. I still have units running from the 80s. I wouldn’t say it’s end all be all.
@TheKageshimura
@TheKageshimura 11 месяцев назад
410a doesn’t use the same Oil as r22. Saying you’ve been doing it so long without issues has already been explained. The synthetic oil strips the oxides of fast compared to mineral oil. Old practice aren’t good.
@choppergunner1408
@choppergunner1408 11 месяцев назад
@@TheKageshimura okay we’ll what’s your point because I also have 20+ year old 410A systems running
@povoljan13
@povoljan13 11 месяцев назад
Filter drier wouldn't catch those black sooth from braze without N. I did a coupe service call with filter drier not clogged up but head pressure is too high just to find a clogged up metering device with black sooth. Imagine it getting stucked on compressor valves.
@donjohnson5172
@donjohnson5172 11 месяцев назад
Brian, we appreciate all of the great and informative videos that you post. But please work on the volume. I like to listen to your stuff while I'm driving to and from jobs, and I constantly struggle to hear your videos despite the volume being maxed out.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian 11 месяцев назад
Company i used to work for we ended up doing so many TXV's because the lead installer would braze without nitrogen. I explained to them your putting so much oxidation inside the piping and system. He didnt care and said it didnt affect it. Well proof was in the pudding after replacing txv's that were plugged up due to poor installation practices
@TheKageshimura
@TheKageshimura 11 месяцев назад
Same issue but my boss is the problem. Won’t let us flow and Blames the manufacturer for TXV failure even though it’s happening a lot with his jobs.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian 11 месяцев назад
@TheKageshimura yup heard that a million times. " Manufacturers aren't making good products anymore. So txvs going bad". Total nonsense. I don't work for that company anymore. So I no longer have to worry about following behind doing warranty work
@garza7676
@garza7676 11 месяцев назад
A good filter drier should remove a lot before going into the TXV .Nitrogen is good til it’s flowing out from the fittings and not letting you braze the fitting correctly .
@pineychristian
@pineychristian 11 месяцев назад
@garza7676 I have been brazing for a long time now. Not flowing nitrogen has causes nothing but problems. Filter drier will not stop all the oxidation that comes with not using nitrogen. I've seen it many many times over now. I always flow nitrogen with brazing.
@garza7676
@garza7676 11 месяцев назад
@@pineychristian Do you run nitrogen when when unsweating lines ?
@waterboggle36
@waterboggle36 20 дней назад
Do you guys ever just use acetylene tanks alone a turbo torch ?
@shifter8207
@shifter8207 11 месяцев назад
I get that Oxy acetylene is what they prefer using but they don’t use straight acetylene turbo torch? I’ve never used oxy acetylene and it seems interesting to me
@donjohnson5172
@donjohnson5172 11 месяцев назад
Turbo torches don't always get hot enough for certain applications. With smaller residential stuff it's awesome (because it's so much lighter), but with commercial piping at 1 inch or higher, it can take way too long to get enough heat through the workpiece.
@shifter8207
@shifter8207 11 месяцев назад
@donjohnson5172 this is true I've seen it myself doing bigger than 1 3/8
@Bearcrapsinwoods
@Bearcrapsinwoods 6 месяцев назад
the ONLY way to verify that you do not have any oxygen in the pipe is with an oxygen analyzer. but I also recognize that nobody is going the extra mile on a refrigeration circuit, and I believe that code only requires one for MED gas systems
@Gary-ts6dh
@Gary-ts6dh 11 месяцев назад
12:03 - Gnat's funny, too!
@AErefrigeration
@AErefrigeration 11 месяцев назад
How about a nitrogen purge video filmed on site, on an actual job. Please and thank you
@Chandrabudiyanto
@Chandrabudiyanto 11 месяцев назад
can we use co2 instead of nitrogen ?
@TokyoCraftsman
@TokyoCraftsman 3 месяца назад
No the O2 in the CO2 will oxidize and cause a problem.
@gibsmith6903
@gibsmith6903 11 месяцев назад
Is argon an inert gas
@mackenziegray2090
@mackenziegray2090 11 месяцев назад
Yes
@theastuteangler
@theastuteangler 11 месяцев назад
Yes
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 11 месяцев назад
There are two meanings of inert. Noble gases, like helium, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon don’t react with much of anything. Pure nitrogen is inert with respect to copper (and many other metals) in that it does not react with them (there must also be oxygen or something else present for a reaction). Aluminum can react with nitrogen, but at a much higher temperature than we use for brazing, so well-beyond the melting point of aluminum. (Of course, lithium, magnesium, and titanium can burn in nitrogen. But these metals aren’t used for refrigerant tubing and fittings.)
@Factory400
@Factory400 11 месяцев назад
Primary takeaway: Have some pride and be inclined to do the work correctly.
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