NN Ninja vs Endless 90 Comparison. How are they different? 

What did you go with

You're so welcome!

Anytime! I hope it helped.

same happened to me. I wanted to try something new out, thats why I now have the Trinity Endless frame :) Sadly The day I got these, I went sick so I can not really use them right now. But looking forward to the days after I cured.

Thank you!

Thanks, will do!

Much appreciated!

I never thought to measure the frame length. I just assumed they had were the same.

I am glad it helped. Thanks for the kind words.

That makes sense since the softer wheels will compress more and ride more like a flat setup.

are you satisfied with the ninjas? im considering buying those

No, I got rid of them. Frames proved to be cheap.

@@inclinedplanes what was the issue

@@fidoslavfidorov1512 Many, The machining and subsequent quality control is suspect. The Frames have weak sidewalls and are not square, with small amounts of warping. So some wheels need to be forced into the frame while others just float around in it. They also have enough flex in them that they come loose from the boot, much faster than any other 165 frame I have ever used. If the axle bolts arent self loosening, they are getting stuck in the frame. The frame is really just a comedy of errors. I liked the way they looked, for a while but didn't like the way they sounded, they are loud and thin not solid sounding.

I had a hard time deciding between the V and V.m versions as well. It would be great to skate them before buying them.

Honestly I don't detect any difference. It may be because I don't have the skill to distinguish but they are both more solid that than Powerslide Vision frame where I do notice a bit of flex. Both while skating and by simply squeezing the side walls together.

@@passiveaggressiveskater9554 Real useful video. Thank you for you time 🙂👍

Hi Dawid and Zach. A good way I’ve found to subjectively test frame stiffness is not by squeezing the frame walls together, but by skating on one foot with a deep inside or outside edge (45 degrees or more). A frame that isn’t very stiff will feel like it’s slowing down as you go deeper on the edge. A stiff frame will roll smoothly without the onset of additional friction in the bearings due to loads caused by racking of the frame.

I would go 4x100 for your foot size

I am not selling. I use one pair that I leave at work and the other for home. I would like to try the rockin frame but probably with a UFS Seba boot and that is not in the budget at the moment.

I have only tried stock liners. Fr1, my fit second skin and fat boy. All were fine. I would love to try intuition liners some day.

I don’t really see any difference in wear of wheels between the two frames. Yes I too always see the fronts become wedge shape and the backs more rounded. It comes from pushing hard on the heels when sliding to a stop. As for stability, yes the Endless is more stable because of its more subtle rocker and slightly longer frame. But it turns slightly less easily than the NN.

They are both great and you only notice the difference when switching between them.

I have pr76 but only dragon 80 V-rocker, these are completely different... If you have v.m rocker it should be closer 🤔 On the Wizard you roll on 3rd and 4th wheel if weight is centered and the transition to the other wheels is just super smooth... But it's double price so if you enjoy dragons, you might want to save your hard earned money ...

Having a small foot, you probably would be happy with the Endless 80. But, the shorter your foot, the less a rocker will matter. You may find very little difference between the Endless 80 and a standard 243 mm flat frame. Having said that, 90 mm frames with a rocker are completely fine and you will find them very manueverable. If I were going to skate a flat frame again, I would only skate a 243 mm frame. Even a 276 mm flat frame is hard to turn, no matter how big your foot is.

I should say that it is true that you will create a rocker naturally on a flat frame. Only buy a rockered frame if you have the funds to experiment because once you have skated a flat frame for 20 miles or so, it will be rockered all on its own.

Hi there, check out any of our dealers which have all of our stock at the moment.

@@endlessblading Could you post a link to any of your affiliates. I'm in the Caribbean having to source your frames online 👌

@@dworksmaintenance www.endlessblading.com/pages/where-to-buy

I have not tried the 100 so I can’t give much guidance there. I would be interested in what you think if you buy them.

I am not sure about that. I can’t think of any reason they wouldn’t be. I heard that someone had success using the powerslide heel brake on the Endless but I would bet it would work on either.

Hi Dave, I can confirm that brakes do work with the Endless frames. We list brake compatibility for all our frames on our website. You can find that info both on the product pages and the Help page/widget.

Any would be great and you should not worry about getting the wrong one. If you are truly a beginner, the Endless frame definitely works with Powerslide heel brakes. I am not sure if the others do.

@@passiveaggressiveskater9554 Im using the Endless Trinity 4x90 frames with the medium powerslide break and had to cut a small triangle out of the break, to make it not block my last wheel, but than it fits perfectly. Im an intermediate skater, but after only one day of T-Breaking I didnt want to make my wheels suffer anymore, thats why I stick to my Heel Break. Much cheaper to Replace and it doesnt disturb me that much.

I didnt know they were out of stock because I haven't needed to buy. I had considered buying wizard frames but I got so tired of the Seba SX boot and wizard frames being out of stock.

Hi Jamie, many of our dealers presently have stock. I would act quick, however, since they don’t seem to stay in stock for long. You can find a list of our dealers on our website.

Yes, I would love to do that but I don't have access to that frame. Someone else also pointed out that they are NOT both 276 mm. The NN is actually shorter than the Endless. That too would make the rocker feel a bit more dramatic. But in the end, I am not going for fairness here. Just letting people know to the best of my ability how they feel relative to each other. Hopefully that answered a few people questions. I would love to see someone do a video of the V vs the V.m. I really was guessing which one I would like more when I bought the V.m. because I was not sure how they would skate differently.

yea, how should this be a "Fair" comparison, in wich topic? There is no competition in expressing the behaviour of these frames. One is more stable and less agile and the otherone is more agile and less stable. Every skater will choose his subjective winner out of his preferences. And as many people commented, many people are using both....

The fact that our wheel are always changing shape makes skating an always changing experience. If you keep each wheel in its same spot on a flat frame but just rotate them, then the rocker becomes more and more pronounced over time. But the bummer is that if you rotate them from 1 to 3 and 2 to 4, then you will in the first day or so actually have an anti-rocker setup. There is a potential for something similar to happen on rockered frames too but you would have to let things go a very long time before rotating. There is no perfect solution. I know that many people keep calipers on hand and simply measure the wheel size and pick 4 that have the rocker size they want. But you have to store lots of old wheels to do that. I tend to keep the same 4 wheels and do the 1 to 3 and 2 to 4 rotation until they all need to be replaced.

@@passiveaggressiveskater9554 I find by rotating 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4 and I always end up with similar rocker patterns on my Endless 4x80, and 4x110, as well as on all my regular flat frames. That’s how most of us at Shop Task do it, Leon’s pretty keen on rotating wheels this way to develop your own rocker, fit to your personal skating style. This is how I like to do it personally so I never have to deal with calipers and the rocker always feels familiar no matter how many wheel rotations I do.

Ha! Yes, I should have put that in the beginning.