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No. 124 - HP 34401A 6.5digit Multimeter Repair - Part 1 

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This 6.5 digit multimeter has been burnt up, and in this first video I make some repairs.
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Комментарии : 72   
@romancharak3675
@romancharak3675 5 месяцев назад
Keeping the original pcb in one piece was the best and strongest solution. Good call, Ian !
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 месяцев назад
Wow, fantastic work on creating that little "corner of the board" replacement =D Great work cleaning out the switch too!
@donepearce
@donepearce 5 месяцев назад
If only they had mounted the pcb the other way up. Then the first 13k that got too hot would have fallen off and the current would have stopped with no fire. Melting solder can make a useful fuse.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Nice idea!
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 5 месяцев назад
Nice to see you did not cut the pcb, so it retained its rigidity.
@fredflintstone1
@fredflintstone1 5 месяцев назад
Yes lucky not a multiple core board as well 🙂
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 5 месяцев назад
woof@@fredflintstone1
@zdzisiek1979
@zdzisiek1979 5 месяцев назад
Bardzo profesjonalna naprawa PCB 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍Ładny miernik
@r7boatguy
@r7boatguy 5 месяцев назад
Love the groovy disassembly muzak! I have a similar meter I have to get around to resurrecting.
@glindhol
@glindhol 5 месяцев назад
What an elegant solution to that fire incident. Great job!
@TKomoski
@TKomoski 5 месяцев назад
I always like your ingenuity on getting things done, I was thinking the same thing small pcb for the burnt area
@davidv1289
@davidv1289 5 месяцев назад
An elegant solution, Ian. Thank you for showing it to us. If clearance with the shield becomes an issue, you could put a notch in your new board that is aligned with the front panel "clip" and attach your board closer to the old board. Regards, David
@Flip-Flop-Rio
@Flip-Flop-Rio 5 месяцев назад
Great idea, the sign was perfect! Waiting for the second video!
@stazeII
@stazeII 5 месяцев назад
Nice job!! Looking forward to p2
@daveodessa
@daveodessa 5 месяцев назад
The one time you're happy getting a positive result from a covid test bud. Thanks for the video Ian.
@igorbristol9240
@igorbristol9240 5 месяцев назад
A perfect job so far! 🤗
@arinascimento547
@arinascimento547 5 месяцев назад
Great job!
@DextersTechLab
@DextersTechLab 5 месяцев назад
Awesome, looking forward to part 2!
@markgreco1962
@markgreco1962 5 месяцев назад
Nice work
@helmuthrendl6560
@helmuthrendl6560 5 месяцев назад
Perfectly Repair Job. Thank you for this very interesting Video
@amirb715
@amirb715 5 месяцев назад
great solution
@mariomionskowski6223
@mariomionskowski6223 Месяц назад
Great Job.
@gerryjamesedwards1227
@gerryjamesedwards1227 5 месяцев назад
Great fix with the new PCB section! Proper job. I just received one of these from Japan, for such a low price I was sure it would be like the one you're working on. Not so! All I had to do was use a bit of Goo-Gone on some sticker residue and change the mains voltage selector. There is a sticker from Agilent's Japanese lab on the top that says it was due for next cal in '22, which was a pleasant surprise! It's a good job, too, as I would have struggled (lots) with the repair you just made look easy.
@joelkist6493
@joelkist6493 5 месяцев назад
Nice fix; I wish I had that creativity...
@jpw5626
@jpw5626 5 месяцев назад
What, a pleasure to view...thank you, take care.
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 4 месяца назад
So, did the switch have COVID or not?
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 4 месяца назад
Yes, but thankfully it had been inoculated with electrons at regular intervals.....so no lasting problems.
@pa1wbu
@pa1wbu 5 месяцев назад
While you have it disassembled, you might want to add some thin isolation between the spark gap and the COTO relay. Over on EEVblog there is a documented case of the spark gap "scratching through" the COTO's isolation, causing a short. On my 34401A I bodged-in some Kapton tape. Not the most beautiful of solutions but it does the job.
@dimmog
@dimmog 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for mentioning this issue. I discovered this some time ago and posted on eevblog. Here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h938dAywRko.htmlsi=k2xF1wiWdI36MlI3&t=1157 it is clearly visible that there is no gap between the E100 high voltage arrestor and the K101 relay. If you remove the COTO relay you will definitely find a scratch in the red paint.
@andreasstrem3657
@andreasstrem3657 5 месяцев назад
Great video. Very interesting how the input switch could be disassembled for inspection/cleaning. I have a 34401 with dodgy switch and this tip might come in handy. One comment to the new pcb: Is there enough clearance vs the display board?
@andymouse
@andymouse 5 месяцев назад
Nice one....cheers !!
@fredflintstone1
@fredflintstone1 5 месяцев назад
Cheese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 5 месяцев назад
Eek its Mr Mouse
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 5 месяцев назад
Will be interesting to see if it works. Compared to what else could go wrong with various chips that repair is sort of straightforward. Nice if you can have a pcb fabricated. Us lesser mortals would use proto board or similar.
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 5 месяцев назад
Yes, i would just use a piece of stripboard and through hole resistors. Not worth the cost of ordering a custom PCB just for some resistors.
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 5 месяцев назад
Well those PCBs are actually pretty cheap but I don't have the skill or software to design one.
@mjbrenneman
@mjbrenneman 5 месяцев назад
Glad the COVID test kits were used for something worthwhile...lol
@bikothewolf
@bikothewolf 5 месяцев назад
I am guessing that your are going to snake wires around the protective plate then since you went with elevating the replacement circuit piece? Great video as always
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
I think my Pcb will fit under the plate just and no more. Might need to play about with the height though.
@markburton3306
@markburton3306 5 месяцев назад
For the switch and relay it wasn’t really a large current (17mA) for their low impedance. I guess there could have been some sparks given the voltage
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Yep, being a uV capable device little burn spots on contacts are not good, and the relay showed signs of heat with its warped top. Gawd knows what was thrown at this thing!
@alien8r33d
@alien8r33d 5 месяцев назад
I pinched a few of those Covid test kit swab sticks too. They're perfect for long reach cleaning jobs, wish you could buy them.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Available on Amazon, search for nose swabs. Expensive though! Or, talk to a nurse if you know one…….:)
@DrFrank-xj9bc
@DrFrank-xj9bc 5 месяцев назад
Hi Ian, K101 and L102 could as well be damaged. Good thing, that you cleaned the front/rear switch, as this - after 20 years- probably might be covered by a film, originating from the case plastics, i.e. outgassed plasticizer. Me and several others faced this problem, especially in Ohm modes, being evident by erroneous readings (2W) on the front and ok ones on the rear. Curious Marc btw. just a few days ago repaired an older 3478A in the same manner, and had exactly this switch problem. Isn't the elevated PCB with ~1kV above its resistors too narrow to the display PCB? Formerly, there was a bigger distance, provided by the white pin, where the PCB snaps in.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
I saw Curious Marcs video......and nice that he mentioned my backlight conversion at the end! I have decided to spin a new Pcb to address a couple other issues.
@wheelmonkey00
@wheelmonkey00 5 месяцев назад
Fit like loon - nice repair work ... ken
@Choober65
@Choober65 5 месяцев назад
Might be an idea to put a fuse on that new PCB too.
@OctavMandru
@OctavMandru 5 месяцев назад
Hy Ian! As usual, great job so far. Can you test the Errors before adding the additional PCB in circuit? In theory it should work fine with the front terminals. Some errors are expected given the relay cant perform it's job but would give good indication about the state of U101.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Yes, I could have……but I like a challenge, and I didn’t want to power up without knowing the relays weren’t going to be all in the wrong positions which may cause more issues.
@zihanliu-ho6qe
@zihanliu-ho6qe 20 дней назад
HP 34401 has an error 625. The I/O processor does not respond
@Edisson.
@Edisson. 5 месяцев назад
Hi Ian, that's an error "C" = Coal 😂 I was reminded of this when I found a burnt hole with a diameter of approx. 5cm on one PCB of power electronics 🤪 You made the replacement PCB really beautifully, I built the replacement circuit on a bastl board because it had to work immediately. Just a question - won't the shielding aluminum cover be a problem, is there enough space? Nice day 🙂 Tom
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
I addressed the alu cover in Part 2...:-)
@Edisson.
@Edisson. 5 месяцев назад
@@IanScottJohnston Well, I can't wait, I can't wait to buy your PDSV 2 either 😁 First I have to buy a new digi oscilloscope, at my salary I'll hear back in about ten years 🤣 I hope they'll still be 🤣
@keithmarlow
@keithmarlow 5 месяцев назад
Wow, toasty... Given the usage case, anyway to beef up the over voltage protection?
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 5 месяцев назад
Crowbar circuit and relay to disconnect input if the voltage is too high. Through hole resistors stood up off the board would be better as well.
@kevkabluebird1032
@kevkabluebird1032 4 месяца назад
Nice beginning of a repair! Ever repaired a sovjet / "eastern bloc" bench multimeter? If you want, i would send one to you ( i would cover all costs, the meter would be for free) :D I tried to repair it myself but well, changing some caps didn't solve anything :D So ye ... if you are interested in the old tech from this era, let me know. Oh, and it's an Meratronik V560 Digital Multimeter.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 4 месяца назад
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@PeterCut62
@PeterCut62 5 месяцев назад
First seeing a HP 34401A tested for covid.🤣
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
LOL!
@mortenhattesen
@mortenhattesen 5 месяцев назад
Once the daughter PCB is fitted, what is the clearance between the R107 pad and the (safety grounded?) nut/standoff? Wouldn't that be a prime candidate for arcing? See detail at 17:18 and 23:42 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h938dAywRko.html
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Hmmm, plastic screw/nut probably best required…….thanks for spotting, I’ll change it out.
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 5 месяцев назад
IMHO R110 and R111 aren't as toasted as the rest - see at about 9:15. This confirms C100 rather than C101 as the likely short circuit.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Yep, hard to tell for sure really. There may be more/new info in Part 2 !!!
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 5 месяцев назад
Baited breath here...
@Chris_Grossman
@Chris_Grossman 5 месяцев назад
From the date on the PCBs has been only 9 days since you laid those out to publishing this video.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Would have been sooner, but I ordered the wrong resistors…:)
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 5 месяцев назад
I'm sure that we are all glad that your 'elevator music' doesn't involve a certain Scottish 'musical' instrument. :-)
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
Well, maybe a tad unsuitable in this case……😀
@tonybell1597
@tonybell1597 5 месяцев назад
😁, personally, I love the pipes!
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 5 месяцев назад
I would've used 5W through hole resistors and stood them up off the board.
@OctavMandru
@OctavMandru 5 месяцев назад
The PCB is burned... It would have worked as parasitic R in parallel with the resistors (5%)
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 5 месяцев назад
There’s a metal cover to fit over the new Pcb that I took you see earlier in the video……..I think I am already pushing it and will probably have to lower the Pcb.
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