"No Clinical Research To Back Your Medical Claims" | Dragons' Den 

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Appreciate Jenny saying "I am out" instead of "I'm out" to mix things up a bit

Why are these so damn good to watch. Upload more dammit I've run out!

"I'm a Doctor" "Tell me your credentials" "I'm a doctor of snake oil medicine"

'I gave up trusting reports a long time ago. I believe in results.' That is a scary thing to hear from someone claiming to be a medical professional

When I get back pain, I just get Duncan to give me a nice deep massage, scented candles and all. Ah Duncan... sweet love

"Dr. of Chinese medicine" Oh Jesus, here we go...

I’m a spine surgeon. My partner is a paediatric surgeon. I can’t tell you how much bs this is. We both just looked at each other and laughed at the stupidity of these entrepreneurs.

"I gave up trust in reports a long time ago, I believe in results." Buddy, reports are what prove to people that those results are real.

when two scammers think they can scam a room of more succesful scammers

I love Toukers willingness to volunteer, whether it’s breaking a Moses basket or offering up office space.

“Dr of Chinese Medicine” So he’s about as qualified to give medical advice as Dr Dre?

"You're going to launch a product with no proof that it works" What part of "Traditional Chinese Medicine" did you not understand, Peter? XD

I'M A DOCTOR!... of chinese medicine.

Jenny: I don't have a spine and for that reason I'm out

Physio. Physio. Physio. Go to a physio. I did, she taught me the exercises and stretches to sort my back pain. .... now I self manage. No tricks, no gimmicks, no On going costs, just results.

No one: Jenny: "he needs to lie down lololol" Jenny: *checks for laughter* Jenny:

Anytime a man in a cravat, calling himself a Dr in Chinese Medicine tells you to invest in his business, your answer should be 'i'm out'

Jenny: You’re a doctor? Shane: well, I’m a doctor of Chinese.... Jenny: I’m out

It's very hard to take seriously someone who present himself as a "traditional Chinese medicine specialist", it's like saying "homeopathy specialist" or just "I'm a fraud"

Dr.... of Chinese Medicine 😂 You’d get better health advice from Dr Oetker 🍕

Opener: "I've been a doctor for 25 years" Start of the pitch: "I've been a therapist for 20 years". 1 minute in, and I already don't trust him one bit. I hope I'm wrong...

Jenny: "My back is Out and so am I."

“I’m a doctor” Oooh “Of Chinese medicine” Oh.

He's really just an opium dealer: "I fix pain"

I'm a doctor. Invest in my medical device company. I'm a doctor of philosophy.

Pitching a medical/therapy device without clinical trials in the UK is just asking for trouble,you probably need clinical trials to sell a toothbrush in England.

Sick and tired of seeing Jenny's silly reaction faces every time someone says something. A dragon will say something and the camera will cut to Jenny and she goes O_o

"The world's changing." Darn right, which is why doctors in traditional Chinese medicine like yourself are laughed at now.

I am astonished that those two men thought that any professional investor would contemplate investing in a non-patented, clinically unproven product.

“I’m a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine” So, not a doctor then.

The key to curing back pain is simultaneous movements at both ends of the spine? Pelvic thrusts and smooches it is!!

"You've become a preacher of your own product" But.. That's the point of the show, Peter.

Jenny only smirks once she’s thought of an excuse to say “I’m out”

These two are looking for the quick buck & probably would prefer being bought out as fast as possible. As someone who used to design & monitor clinical trials, I can tell you that the testing required to obtain regulatory approval for a medical device like this is not only extremely expensive, but typically takes years, and in some cases, decades.

Jenny: “I don’t need a doctor to tell me I’m out”

Jenny would make a terrible hacker. She could never bring herself to say, “I’m in.”

Jenny: I’ll tell you where I’m at. I’M BROKE

The Chinese Medicine "Doctor" is absolutely nauseating, he clearly loves himself

3:45 the sweat was literally pouring off his face 😂, I mean it’s understandable but still 😂

Jenny took her time. I'm impressed.

" i gave up trusting reports, I believe in results" says it all really LOL

*casually scrolling through to find jenny jokes…* dont mind me

"I'm a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine" is when they should have thrown the plastic garbage back at him and told them to leave

He uses the term “doctor” loosely

"I'm a Dr of Chinese traditional Medicine" = "Yes, I'm not a doctor."

Tej’s vitamins 100% do not work: look at the state of the guy!

"Doctor" of Chinese medicine, buzzwords, spine at two ends "talking to each other," yeah let's steer clear of this one.

Jenny: I don't know if this product works, and for that reason, my backs out.

I really love Tej, he's so articulate and asks the right questions.

So, not a medical doctor with a MMBS or MD . . . not a chiropractor . . . and that means not a qualified medical professional. Medical practitioners practice evidence-based medicine (EBM) not anecdotal evidence, which isn't real evidence - not to mention the conflict of interest!

being a physio myself, the way they are pitching is exactly targeting the laypeople who are desperate. I know I wouldn't wanna speak 99 pound on this. I am quite glad that Peter and Tej have called them out

Strange how the dragons were so polite and respectful towards these guys pitching a totally unbackable, highly dubious product, when they'll often rip good honest entrepreneurs with much better ideas to shreds. Perhaps after the show they'll strike a secret deal, knowing there's a good market of desperate people with unbearable back pain who will try anything.

Only £25k? Surely they can invest that themselves or get bank loan? I guess they just want a dragon.

"I am a professional" Let's be careful with how we use that word...

I suffer from chronic back pain 24/7 even though i'm only 38 as i have scoliosis /AS /Fibro and RA plus many falls down the stairs and nerve damage from three strokes so i look for anything to try and help with the back pain because when that pain hits there is no getting away from it .. I've tried SOooo many things along side my medication/pain meds etc from cbd oil/vitamins/massage creams/hemp cream the list go on and on and i will say when this first came on i went stright to amazon to see if it was for sae which is it at 79.99 but when he said it only cost £18 to make that really really turned me off the products because if one is truly trying to help folks you wouldn't be charging so much over the makeing of the product even at £50 it would be a fairer cost.. Then as the pitch went on more and mrore wholes started to appear..

I checked online, they’re doing quite well. Selling for 79.99. People are raving about it. Almost five stars. Hmm not bad

"We've got this" You GOT it all wrong....

11:19 that's his exact problem. He gave them up, but 99% of the world haven't. Facts, trials and studies provide results, he's doing this all wrong. You need statistics and facts to back up your product, promises can be made but if they're empty don't expect your product to get anywhere.

Ladbrokes betting “Will Jenny be considered out?” Yes: $0.65 No: $5099

Time and time again, either no research or proof overtime that a invention works 100%. wasting dragons time and themselves isn't it common sense to do this first. Maybe there afraid of the outcome.

Saying "We've got this" on Dragons Den is literally reading out the password for the exit

Jenny's mum: hey I'm coming over soon Jenny: for that reason, I'm out

«...Work with traditional Chinese medicine»... and I’m out right there. Snake oil everybody!!! come and get your bottle of snake oil here!!

"Doctor of traditional Chinese medicine" i hear the quack from a mile away 🦆🦆🦆

Just in time for lunch Good timing.

Jenny could sell "im out" merchandise and Triple her fortune 🤣😅 she branded herself

14 seconds in and I can already hear the voices in my head of Jenny saying I'm out

"If it ducks like a quack,it's a quack"

Tej and his on-point analysis made it too easy for Jenny here to do what comes naturally

'HE NEEDS TO LIE DOWN' HAHAHAHAH JENNY'S JOKE... GREAT PERSONALITY... GOOD HUMOUR... IT REALLY IS GOOD HUMOUR...

Touker ‘offices in London’

Me, a seasoned Dragons Den viewer after binging these videos for the past week, seeing this thumbnail: "Oh boy let me guess, no medical proof to support claims of a product that heals. This should be fun

Entrepreneur: I. FIX. PAIN. Jenny: I. AM. OUT.

There is no need for these "shock" headlines - you drop a dragons den video, we will watch. Calm down

Peter “does what it says on the tin” Jones.

As someone who suffers from chronic back pain, I can confidently say that this wont do anything.

When he said "traditional chinese medicine for 25 years" you knew it was going to be a scam lol. Red flags

Jenny: "me diamonds ain't cheap." "I'm out."

It is quite disturbing that this guy can't even figure out why clinical testing is important. Even if one gets results, there is such a thing as 'correlation isn't automatically causation'. It's troubling that he doesn't know that.

As a good tip in life, never take serious advice from someone who is a "doctor of [something other than medicine]". It's the law that you're not allowed to call yourself a medical doctor unless you get proper medical training so that means if anyone is a 'doctor of chiropractic' or 'doctor of traditional Chinese medicine' they have not got proper medical training but some obscure and arbitrary qualification.

"I've been a doctor for 25 years" "I'm a doctor of traditional chinese medicine" Ok mate.

First questions should have been what trials were carried out to prove this is beneficial.

Is back pain a hidden epidemic or is it an extremely common ailment

I sell medical devices for a living and after watching this video I was naturally interested to see if this product had yet (as of Jan 2020) developed any clinical data to support their claims. The duo have plenty of customer feedback, some big names stating how this had helped them, but no clinical data at all from their web site or LinkedIn - which is surprising after the BIG sell up surrounding the expected performance. It most likely can help, but the biggest scare would be someone using this hoping it would help and it makes things worse. Self diagnosis is not really the best route to curing your ills.

8:44 Jenny: I'll tell you where I am 🤦‍♂️ Everyone : we know where you are. OUT

"Dr of Chinese Medicine" In other words Not an actual Scientifically trained Doctor. Which explains why he doesn't understand his Ancedotal claims are worthless. His commentary at the end is a HUGE red flag for someone who is scientifically illiterate.

Hope they have good insurance. That's a cert for a lawsuit!!

Narrator: Welcome to Drag... Jenny: Let me stop you there. I'm out

“I gave up trusting reports a long time ago. I believe in the placebo effect”

''im a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine'' straight away anyone of intelligence would shut off and stop listening.

"I'm a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine"..........Says it all XD

9:01 Best moment

Watching these videos make me feel like I’m a one armed swimmer in a whirlpool, I can never get out!.

I'm also a "Doctor" of "Traditional""Chinese""Medicine."

Cockily: "We've got this" 10 minutes later... "We didn't got this"

Dismisses studies, but then says that he believes in results. Sure, he's trustworthy.

Jenny: "I actually have no pelvis, and for that reason...I'm out."

It seems as though the British Dragons have learned from the embarrassing mistakes of the Canadian Dragons.

"I believe in results", but you don't *have* any results