"You Can't Possibly Have A Patent For That..." | Dragons' Den

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Stuart Archbold and Andrew Leslie from 'Shopbox Systems Ltd' entered the Den seeking £250,000 in their business grocery delivery service that specialises in outdoor temperature-controlled containers. Later in the pitch - Duncan has a very heated debate with Stuart about the validity of the patent they have secured - he argues that there is nothing to stop other people from copying the idea to put a chip in the box to control the temperature. Stuart stands his ground and completely disagrees with the Scot. But has Peter just stumbled across an outstanding patent?
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@truthhurtsthenheals4421 4 года назад

Im guessing Theo got thrown in a few bins back in his day lol

@daveblackwell8463 4 года назад

😂😂😂

@Anu_Sol 4 года назад

Bin boy Theo giving it the biggun.

@bizzzzzzle 4 года назад

Sirius Anime wtf are you on about

@jackhayward34 4 года назад

I would love to throw theo in a bin

@stsk7 4 года назад

@@omegagiga not only must you change it but you will also lose your job

@zydhas2838 4 года назад

Mans basically spending a million to make an outdoor fridge.

@IceFire1800 4 года назад

Which is hilarious because Lite'n'Easy have a foam box with some dry ice in it, and it's way cheaper than this rolling deathtrap

@89TNash 4 года назад

Z's Life but like the Walmart delivery version or amazon lock box version is what they meant by concept. That’s why I the guy said you pitched the idea wrong, it’s not about the box it’s about the concept. They need to be advertising it like amazon advertises the lockbox they have for mail delivery service.

@Jebu911 4 года назад

Design of it is extremely ugly but im sure they could fix that.

@GodOfPlague 4 года назад

@@riseagain845 sweet cold relief from a hot summers day. Good good I want a cold box my friends can lock me in so I can enjoy the outside and have sweet heat relief.

@Comrade_Jason 4 года назад

This is painfully accurate. And most UK homes have a cupboard by the front door. It wouldn't be all that hard to put a little fridge in there. You could leave a padlock unlocked and the delivery guy could lock it once he has placed the food inside. It took me a minute and zero Pound Sterling to solve the problem.

@MrFooFighter13 4 года назад

2010: "In 3 years, delivery windows will be down to 10 minutes" 2020: Your order will arrive between 10am-2pm .... maybe.

@JeremiahEcks777 3 года назад

I know, I was thinking the same. I mean we're slowly getting there but Peter sorely underestimated how far all of the structures needed to make the reality happen were. I don't think this was the way to fix the problem (just from Theo's objections anyway) but Peter's 'guarantee' was wrong. These guys were arrogant, slightly deluded, but I can at least see they were trying to address a problem. Fair play. Nice try. But it's not the right solution. The right solution is figuring out how to make specific deliveries timed well.

@clockywork 3 года назад

@@JeremiahEcks777 hilarious how confident Peter is with his false prediction isn't it?

@JeremiahEcks777 3 года назад

@@clockywork I agree. But in fairness to him he's not far off. The only problem is that the companies still rely on humans and human error combined with companies always choosing the cheapest options will make that precise timing impossible. For now.

@paulnunnink7338 3 года назад

So that!

@kemiiboku1397 3 года назад

In Canada it happens with instacart already. I usually get my groceries within 30mins

@intergalactic92 2 года назад

Peter Jones telling Duncan Bannatyne that he is wrong is one of the most satisfying moments in the den.

@MossXM 6 месяцев назад

Well in the end Duncan was still right because it didn't amount to anything.

@jordanconnor1223 5 месяцев назад

@@MossXMPeter was never going to invest lol

@keiranokeeffe6682 3 месяца назад

@@jordanconnor1223 nah Peter wanted that patent defo

@JasonBerder Месяц назад

The patent was found to be unenforceable and is now expired so Duncan was actually right.

@PredatorianStyl Месяц назад

@@JasonBerder source?

@bigguy1164 4 года назад

*slaps side of murder bin" "This bad boy will kill so many children."

@johncrichton7461 4 года назад

I'm in.

@JustinSane50 4 года назад

John Crichton hahaha

@Nickersons-Theme 4 года назад

Murder bin hahahaha

@darekbaird 4 года назад

Look...if we can just sell some in Skyrim I'm in.

@Uouttooo 4 года назад

Put a release latch inside like car trunk in the second version. Jezuz ...

@marks6663 4 года назад

He is not called Theo the fetus for nothing. He is always thinking of the children.

@-M0LE 4 года назад

Mark S nice

@normanthomas4169 4 года назад

@ALWAYS ANGRY!!! ALL THE TIME!!! eehh is the best of the garden pictures attached by the new York tools

@mikeoxmells-grimm8876 4 года назад

😭😭😭😭

@pepperorsalt 4 года назад

Thinking ABOUT the children. Hmm.

@petuphiri2211 4 года назад

Just like that, my day made! :)

@Cycke86 Год назад

You can google the story of the patent. It was basically worthless, expired in 2019, was valid only in England and every attempt those guys had to expand the patent failed miserably. No one tried to fight the patent in court, but it seemed indefensible and the patent officer who granted it must have been drinking. So on paper they had something, but Duncan was very right.

@Jug_or_not 6 месяцев назад

yeah also if you look up the accounts for the company they are currently inactive and seem to have a lot of debt if I am reading it right

@scottmorrison1561 5 месяцев назад

Why exactly was Duncan right? They couldn't do the things you've listed, but they still had the concept patent right?

@pierrehalb4675 4 месяца назад

⁠@@scottmorrison1561he was right that the concept they showed up with could not be patented, even though the piece of paper said so he kept on not believing it was possible

@elvickRULES 2 месяца назад

@@scottmorrison1561a patent that is unenforceable in all but one country is virtually worthless. (Excluding places which don’t honor them to begin with)

@sam-psonsmith9951 19 дней назад

@@elvickRULES also, patents are usually quite expensive. You have to make up for that in sales, or your patent is just dragging you down.

@Kuroganekisaki 3 года назад

"You don't have a patent" "Yes I do" "No you don't. Show me" "Here's the patent." "No. Dragons, help me." "He has the patent" "No." BRUUUUH TAKE THE L ALREADY

@BenjaminGoose 3 года назад

@gristlelollygag 3 года назад

@@BenjaminGoose loss

@paullee5573 3 года назад

Something is wrong about this. It is not possible to patent a concept, only a spcific design. I know this from my experience with a behind the ear hearing aid which I designed many years ago. If it were possible to patent a concept then every single mp3 player would have put money in my pocket. Which would have made me a multi millionaire by now. It didn't, and I'm not. I rest my case.

@truckwarrior5944 3 года назад

@@paullee5573 Especially you would not be able to patent a concept that has been out there a decade before they started doing their own design of it. I got a friend who does produce and sell units like that, they got their own patent after this show, they don't have to pay fees or anything to those people, so their patent obviously does not really cover the whole concept.

@deedee5909 3 года назад

Paul Lee .

@carpii 4 года назад

Lock Jenny in the box. Lets see her get out of that

@itsahmed450 4 года назад

And when she pops her head out she'll say "I'm out"

@goozerman1 4 года назад

hi im jenny, a celebrity , get me out of here, btw im OUT.

@for111 4 года назад

Brilliant!

@klaudiamichalska8782 4 года назад

😂😂😂😂

@samuel1836 4 года назад

🤣

@hugo13231 4 года назад

Their faces when peter said the patent was legit 😂😂

@MaestroAlvis 4 года назад

I know. 9:32 is Duncan realizing peter hasn't agreed with him.

@MrJamberee 4 года назад

If it was legit, Peter would have invested in a nanosecond. It’s not. He doesn’t have a patent blocking everybody else from using a home delivery system. It’s nonsense.

@emissarygw2264 4 года назад

@@MrJamberee yeah, and I'm pretty sure there are lots of other ways to solve the same problem that would just as equally put them out of business from a competition standpoint.

@hugo13231 4 года назад

@@MrJamberee he put a million pounds on the table within seconds, which is like 10% of his liquidity, but he wanted a major stake because he doesn't trust the guy will make it work. Patents like these are rarely granted but they do exist thought they are very expensive to enforce. In essence, that piece of paper is worth gold but only in the right hands and if peter doesn't control a significant part of the company then it's likely that the company will sink and they wont have the resources to enforce the patent.

@dephc0n1 4 года назад

@@hugo13231 I thought he was trying to buy a majority of the company so he could sell the company+patent to one of his friends who is already working on the idea.

@graham9352 3 года назад

Me: *my deliveries arrive while I'm out* Kardoctor: *put them in the bin*

@68404 3 месяца назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@jackmathieson1903 2 года назад

When Duncan read the patent you could tell that he knew he was wrong but didn't want to admit it 😂

@williamthomson7820 5 месяцев назад

But he wasn't!

@Odin.x. 4 месяца назад

@@williamthomson7820He was...

@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff 2 месяца назад

And then PETER told him

@f0xyLuv 9 дней назад

He was wrong in theory but in practice the patent was basically worthless and expired in 2019.

@moonwhistle 4 года назад

The short Dracula fella looks like he sleeps in his climate controlled food coffin when he's not expecting a delivery.

@AdeptusPsychonautica 4 года назад

old silas funniest thing i have read on youtube all day

@verlene10 4 года назад

Bruh I'm dying of laughter 🤣🤣🤣

@joaopauloreisnogueir 4 года назад

Hahahahahahahaha

@thatdude4639 4 года назад

old silas 😂😂😂😂

@beeboopopper6825 4 года назад

4:35 vampire stare lol

@Weazelmania 4 года назад

99% of these dragons den pitches are like high school design tech "problem" assignments.

@thefountainpendesk 4 года назад

Weazelmania that's is what they are

@michaelscott8567 4 года назад

How many times have you looked at an invention that is making the inventor Millions. And thought "Man. That's simple idea, why didn't i think of that?" This isn't a bad idea. Probably would have been better if it was brought out 10 or 15 yrs ago. But with the way the internet is going, shopping is going to be more on demand and instant, just like the guy said. I'll give them a 7/10 for effort. but i think it's too little too late

@emissarygw2264 4 года назад

@@michaelscott8567 it isn't a bad idea, but these 2 seem waaaaay out of their depth in terms of turning it into an actual business. They also don't seem to understand that this is something that big companies like Amazon would just spin up a small team (0.1% of their workforce) to implement and they'd get it done way faster, cheaper and better and with way better adoption than 2 schmucks on dragons den could ever hope to achieve.

@St4rdog 4 года назад

@@michaelscott8567 Yeah, it seems this would've worked for a few years, but Amazon are already have Amazon Key, which is a lock for your door that drivers can open and just put your packages inside your home. It comes with a camera and phone alerts.

@ghstie 4 года назад

YES

@The_Orgazoid Год назад

It’s 2022 and the company is £1 million in debt, according to their latest accounts.

@TController 2 месяца назад

Duncan SHOULD have apologised for being wrong, & insulting a fellow businessman. This shows his principles

@jameswilliams752 4 года назад

Let’s be honest, they were trying to pitch an air conditioned wheelie bin

@stonedaurelius6496 4 года назад

well lets be honest, iphone is just cellural calculator...

@mrsnoop1820 4 года назад

they had the patent for that

@airkami 4 года назад

with a thermostat

@MAC_HAMMER 4 года назад

Let's be honest, the Catholic church is just a sanctuary for pedophiles.

@markotodorovic7013 4 года назад

Turns out they have changed the design and now they are highly successful. It was just design that was bad.

@Troublenut 4 года назад

Jenny: oh my goodness I really need one of these because whenever my food delivery comes, I’m out

@QQ-ll4fd 4 года назад

omg

@ohcrikey9560 4 года назад

Wolf boy 😂😂😂

@brandym3926 3 года назад

Yeah, that... that is what she said. Clearly there is some kind of joke here?

@Troublenut 3 года назад

@@brandym3926 umm surely you get the Jenny I’m out jokes?

@brandym3926 3 года назад

@@Troublenut ah. I see it now. It isn't funny, but okay, I see it

@guter6534 4 года назад

I mean that's why Peter Jones is the richest dragon. He plays chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

@Warcodered01 4 года назад

Right the only one to actually start to thoroughly look through there paperwork is the most interested it's almost like they should of taken this seriously instead of looking for gotcha moments.

@LuluTheCorgi 4 года назад

@@Warcodered01 except two things: 1. China doesn't care about patents And more importantly: 2. The patent isn't gonna hold in court. Getting a patent is easy, defending that patent in court isn't

@oliprj8676 4 года назад

James Caan is the richest of these 5

@guter6534 4 года назад

@@oliprj8676 No he is not. Caan is worth 95£ million while Peter is worth about 500£ million.

@techtitanuk5609 4 года назад

Duncan is richer

@ManCave1972 2 года назад

2010: 90% of households are empty during the day 2020: We’re all at home getting 3 orders a day without a dalek outside costing us £12.99 a month

@elephantseal2657 4 года назад

What if a kid, locked their sibling in the bin from the outside, and also their parent's forgot he existed, and also the other kid has memory loss and forgets his sibling is in a trash bin fridge, and also the kid in the bin is a mute and can't call for help, and also has no limbs so he can't make any noises and also the fridge malfunctions and goes to minus 400 and also the bin gets taken away and thrown into a trash compactor? How could you ever put something like this in the commercial market, and for that reason I'm out.

@noiiiiiize 4 года назад

Holy crap, actual lol.

@tomr6955 4 года назад

Exactly. How could you have Freezers are the supermarket also, how terrible

@Muricanwerewolf 4 года назад

You’ve never heard of kids suffocating in old refrigerators? It’s happened, and is a reasonable concern for anything that’s airtight and can’t be opened from the inside.

@AB-tv3iz 4 года назад

I'LL BE BACK ! What kind of SICK TWISTED NASTY HORRIBLE MIND What a terrible person!!!!!

@intrepidtomato 4 года назад

I think that is a completely fair question on Theo's part. Don't even like children that much, but of course it would occur to kids to climb inside something the size of a wheelie bin or put one of their mates inside. And if that thing is hard to open, that is a problem.

@dilwich 4 года назад

I got the sack from ASDA for getting confused with these containers and throwing the customers shopping straight into their bins . . . .

@gazza2933 4 года назад

I worked at ASDA once. I used to have days like that too 🤣

@lynx8437 4 года назад

I got the boot from ASDA for skrrtin about on the PPT :(

@rayenbow3281 4 года назад

Speaking of ASDA, I once bought 10 packets of Condoms from there and the cashier said, "Would you like a bag, Sir?" I said, " No thank you, she's not that ugly."

@jakartaman3365 4 года назад

@@rayenbow3281 Reminds me of the story about the duck that walked into a pharmacy and also bought a large supply of condoms. The cashier asked him if he'd be paying by cash or credit card and the duck replied: " No, just stick it on my bill."

@stephenmurray2851 4 года назад

@@lynx8437 I got fired from asda night-shift for headbutting someone. Absolutely one hundred percent true story. Asda in Glasgow.

@moviebuff3000 2 года назад

I like how the guy brings up getting locked in the trunk of a car when pretty much all trunks have a release lever that let's you out

@otocan 2 года назад

Also, people don't usually leave their trunk open all day.

@BenjaminGoose Месяц назад

Cars don't have trunks, you're thinking of elephants.

@vishmaster09 4 месяца назад

9:00 Duncan: you have notning. I hope you can get on with your life because you've already spent £900k 2 mins later Peter: what equity would you give me for a million pound investment?

@paulbrooks5612 4 года назад

That patent is worth more than gold. Literally no one else can make any type of container for food delivery. He can license that into the millions

@antheajohnson4234 4 года назад

In the UK only though.

@trazyntheinfinite9895 4 года назад

and you still can make things to put things in as long as you label them right...

@crazyrobots6565 4 года назад

@@antheajohnson4234 most of the time the US and Europe will recognise UK patents, and I suspect they've already filed the required paperwork for the US patents as well.

@gem_is_watching 4 года назад

Crazy Robots I don’t know if Europe still validates that after Brexit XD

@fredcollier2049 4 года назад

@@gem_is_watching really? So how about the patents that were filed before EC/EU membership?

@Mitjitsu 4 года назад

Theo spent way too much of his childhood in wheely bins.

@thedarkness97 3 года назад

I like Theo, always pointing out the flaws in an invention.. He's the "Here's where it can all go wrong" guy!

@Derek.Joseph 2 года назад

Old boy Stuart has some tenacity. Everyone is a tough guy online but I found him very articulate, granted he also scolded Duncan whilst disproving him.

@meneurdujeu 2 года назад

legend that guy

@therandomkid9325 2 года назад

i know him, he isnt and is like you see him here, he can make a point very well thats 4 sure.... nice guy though

@Mikael2492 7 месяцев назад

When a guy couldn't admit they made a mistake even after reaching the patent. Don't care if he is rich or not.

@mogadishusneeze 4 года назад

Jenny's so out, she ain't even in the room.

@mariaqayyum123 4 года назад

mogadishusneeze 😂😂😂😂😂

@dannemannen18 4 года назад

She's in the box

@chrismulgrew7710 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣

@mipmipmipmipmip 4 года назад

she was trapped in the bin duh

@Andrew-zd2ro 4 года назад

Duncan: That’s a wheelie bin. It even looks like one. entrepreneur: I’m insulted. But actually yes its a wheelie bin with a special microchip

@meab12 4 года назад

VERY special microchip

@meab12 4 года назад

VERY special microchip

@Jac70 4 года назад

Super advanced microchip, used to call "em thermostats back in the old days!

@baobo67 4 года назад

@@Jac70 Right TJ Back in the days when carbon fibre was called black plastic.

@therandomkid9325 2 года назад

him: its a food storer thingy me/his family/freinds: its a wheelie bin

@MsMaryPatricia 4 года назад

Theo takes child safety really seriously. I've seen him take apart two other child orientated products. He's right though.

@BobCassidy 6 месяцев назад

I think he thought a lit up "kids on board" sign was a good idea too.

@captpicard6894 Год назад

Here we are 2022, still not seen an air-conditioned wheelie bin outside everyone’s home.

@wiskyr6510 4 года назад

"I didn't come from a privileged upbringing" so... Therefore you know more about getting locked in a refrigerator than everyone else?

@frankcastle9691 4 года назад

I guess so lol.

@redholm 4 года назад

I mean. That probably just means he was locked in a bin or Fridge when he was a kid. But he did't want to go into his backstory.

@doctorgears9358 4 года назад

I would assume the idea is that he didn't live a sheltered life and is well aware of the things kids do for a laugh. For example dumping kids into bins. But I guess we can take it to the logical extreme.

@koalabandit9166 4 года назад

I wonder if he's ever heard of a rock. Those things are deadly.

@hejalll 3 года назад

@@koalabandit9166 If you grow up in a neighborhood with a lot of crime and you end up in a group of mates who play dangerous games, I could see them wanting to play a prank on one of their friends by locking them in here. Did you guys never experience bullying?

@benji.B-side 4 года назад

Duncan: That’s a wheelie bin. It even looks like one. Entrepreneur: But it's a wheelie bin with a brain.

@thebaddestogre-3698 4 года назад

It could be an original star wars droid.

@Eidolon1andOnly 3 года назад

@Luke Shaw's Daddy *should've

@jhoughjr1 2 года назад

A special microchip that's totally not a jelly bean MCU and simple temp sensor, one Peltier could do it.

@Denizen36 3 года назад

The tall fella looks like a really nice, genuine dude. He looked like he was about to cry when Duncan said they had wasted 900K pounds and their patent was wrong.

@hommefataltaemin 2 года назад

He doesn’t seem that nice. He was making fun of Theo just because Theo had a legit concern about kids possibly being in danger.

@Hunter88993 2 года назад

The little fella looked like a bond villain

@kirishima638 5 месяцев назад

Peter was wrong. Late 2023. Amazon Prime can no longer guarantee next day delivery never mind a 15 min time slot.

@ryleypalmer 5 месяцев назад

Maybe for you. I get Amazon and groceries delivered same day

@BenjaminGoose Месяц назад

Agreed, he was completely wrong.

@MrMalkraz Месяц назад

works for me!

@PeteQuad 19 дней назад

Regular Amazon prime and groceries are different

@christaylor3911 4 года назад

Over 900k spent on a wheelie bin which holds food. Horrific.

@christaylor3911 4 года назад

Alan P and yet Peter still didn’t even make an offer.

@bilalgilgil1037 4 года назад

Alan P Just because its got a patent it doesn’t mean that it’s a smart idea. Dont be absurd.

@christaylor3911 4 года назад

Alan P it’s cosmetically poor, no one wants that sitting in their garden. Plus it has safety issues with kids potentially getting trapped inside like Theo demonstrated. I think Debora was right, the idea is good, but you’d probably want something that sits with the confines of your property, not in a wheelie bin with a thermometer.

@ItsThatVogue 4 года назад

only a small loan of a million dollars

@ojosazules8828 4 года назад

These guys are deluded thinking this wheelie bin would succeed...moreover gangs would go round stealing them too if these were left outside properties....

@JolyonSmith 4 года назад

Some cars have "hostage handles" in the boot, precisely so that if someone somehow finds themselves shut in the boot of the car they can get themselves out. Just sayin'

@RoaringPhilosopher 4 года назад

I was surprised no one mentioned that. Yet someone could just flip it over as well making the opening face downwards.

@anonony9081 4 года назад

This is a regulatory requirement in North America

@thefountainpendesk 4 года назад

It's a legal requirement

@JolyonSmith 4 года назад

The Fountain Pen Desk not everywhere. In NZ some vehicles have it (e.g. Subaru Impreza), but not all. In fact it’s very unusual here.

@jgodbee3090 4 года назад

@@JolyonSmith any car sold in North America is required to have one by law so basically any car model which is sold there is likely to have one even if sold in NZ (they typically don't change that much from country to country except steering side). like NZ i could not find that it is actually a law in AUS but most cars released after 2002 have one unless they are not sold in USA.

@tomben6180 3 года назад

You can tell Peter and Duncan are mates, the look they gave each other when Peter offered a million.

@gaithrislife 3 года назад

My first question would be: “How will you ensure nobody steals it if nobody’s home?

@bayuaji7299 3 года назад

i mean, maybe thats one of the reasons why the container looks like trash can. its huge, standart looking lid,etc. maybe as a disguise so people think its a bin?. but again, when this thing spread out people eventually will know what it is

@truckwarrior5944 3 года назад

Units like this have been around for at least 20 years. The general way to solve this is by having a button on the container, that the delivery-people should press after delivery. That button would lock the unit. There is although smart-home-integration for things like that where the house-owner can lock or unlock this via phone.

@gaithrislife 3 года назад

@@truckwarrior5944 sure, but they can still steal the unit? Like remove it from the property? Depending on the construction obviously

@truckwarrior5944 3 года назад

@@gaithrislife Ah the unit, i thought you were talking about the food. Well t he units i know are basically chained somewhere or not really moveable at all. The unit they presented here however... yeah that could be taken.

@gaithrislife 3 года назад

@@truckwarrior5944 yeah that was my thought, but thanks for clearing it up 😋

@wizzdom 4 года назад

Man: “I don’t think it’ll ever happen”... Asda, Tesco: hold my trolley 😂

@EpicWinNoob 4 года назад

I mean, this isn't the worst 5-year plan ever implemented.

@Alex-gf4iu 4 года назад

EpicWinNoob HAHAHA. Brilliant

@MitchellTF 4 года назад

@@Alex-gf4iu ...It's in the top ten...

@maxmustermann-zx9yq 4 года назад

Soviet Union: allow me to intr...wait 5? I'm outta here Edit: nm Su had 5 year plan and NS germany 4

@hwf8250 4 года назад

😂

@SimonJSlou 4 года назад

@@maxmustermann-zx9yq the soviet union lasted for decades

@rahjah6958 4 года назад

I can’t lie Theo is completely right here 😂😂 I’ve done a similar thing with a FREIND And I let him out as soon as he said so, but I could only imagine some other people knew they would have left someone in there

@fingerboxes Год назад

This is actually a problem that has killed children: early fridges locked from the outside and kids got stuck in them and died. It's not a baseless concern but it does have a very simple solution, just put in the same kind of glow in the dark emergency latch that you have in cars. Pull the latch, door opens, problem solved.

@legoluvver 4 года назад

“You could lock someone in the boot of a car, too!” But there’s a safety handle on the inside of those now for a reason!

@bulldogmicro4279 4 года назад

I laughed at Theo for talking about how a kid could lock them self up in this, but then I remebered my Grandma locked herself in the trunk of our car once for hours on end. So I guess Theo does have a solid point.

@emissarygw2264 4 года назад

I don't think that's a big deal. It's easily fixable. The problem is that (a) they didn't realize such a basic issue after investing nearly a million already, and (b) they wouldn't accept the validity of the point. With these 2 clueless guys in charge, it's a lost cause.

@redbaron3555 4 года назад

bulldog micro simple solution: add an handle to open the lock from the inside. Done.

@tehhotline4225 4 года назад

I hate It when they do that

@dingo9696 4 года назад

bulldog micro lmao why did your grandma lock herself in a trunk

@davidwilliams9386 4 года назад

How the hell did your grandma lock herself in the trunk?? Lol

@bee-ep2gt 4 года назад

if its basically a wheelie bin, can't a neighbour or someone just wheel it away? 😂

@andipandi5641 4 года назад

that is why it is micro-chipped but still a very significant liability that hugely undermines the viability of the business.

@bee-ep2gt 4 года назад

@@andipandi5641 imagine if they forgot to lock it aswell 😂 I could just go and steal all the food

@lolhahah21 4 года назад

@@bee-ep2gt That would be on the person who didn't lock it lolol that's it.

@thedunyadoneya2628 4 года назад

Not if it doesn't have wheels

@tommyzoom9976 4 года назад

I'm sure someone can just open it and take whatever tickles their fancy

@40pianos 3 года назад

What surprises me is why nobody asked, "If it's outdoors to accept parcels when nobody's home, what's to stop a thief from nicking the thing and everything inside?".

@lilschlagen 2 года назад

What kind of pitch is: "Here's the concept and the amount of money we want." "And the equity in return?" "Well... we discussed it and we don't want to tell you."

@Capeau 4 года назад

That took some discipline from Peter. You can tell he realised the potential of that patent.

@Bromley68 4 года назад

"You can't lock yourself in it.....unless you get in and it's locked"

@blackxcrowdy 4 года назад

that's not locking yourself in, somebody else locks it

@immortaltoaistisascamdonot4938 4 года назад

Omg.....lol thats to funny

@noi5emaker Год назад

"90% of houses are empty during the day." Not in 2022 Britain.

@mirianadimitrova2112 3 года назад

Theo is spot on - there have been instances of children who died locked in similar trash bins. Very appalling how the guy started smiling and dismissing his important concerns.

@jaymercer4692 2 года назад

A lot of people have been making fun of that remark but when I was a kid my older brother locked me in our shed in the garden, forgot and went out to play with friends. I was 6 or so years old and was locked in with my 4 or so year old brother. He was deathly afraid of spiders, which that shed was riddled with, and neither of us were particularly found of being trapped in a shed. We were eventually discovered when I was smashing the shed apart with a Tennis racket I had found and our mother had heard that. I was very close to cutting myself quite seriously on jagged bits of wood as I tried to squeeze out of the hole I had made.

@nicogs97 4 года назад

People would actually buy these in America especially since everyone buys things on Amazon and many people get their stuff stolen.

@nkosinathimlenzane3044 4 года назад

@@SunWukongX lol. That's exactly what I was thinking.

@StephanBranczyk 4 года назад

I currently live in the US. For the concept to be somewhat successful in the US, it would need to be part of a delivery ecosystem like Amazon/Wholefoods. It would need to be more attractive (and not look like a street trash bin). It would need to be safe for kids (just like our car trunks in the US are since 2002). It would need to have an inside container and an outside container (so that the outside container is still somewhat usable even if the person inside has forgotten to return the other container outside, it could also be made more secure that way, and of course, the inside container could still have wheels if need be).

@dolfanchambers84 4 года назад

It’s kind of like the idea of having mailboxes and parcel lockers in a central location for developments and apartment complexes... having a few of the lockers be able to be chilled would be interesting for food delivery.

@MaestroAlvis 4 года назад

@@SunWukongX put a bike lock on it.

@emissarygw2264 4 года назад

Pretty sure Amazon fresh would launch their own version of this, for free, patent or no, and then you'd be SOL. They already have that thing where the delivery guy can send a signal to unlock the smart lock on your door and put the package inside, isn't much of a stretch to say you can stick a mini fridge inside the door for them to put food inside.

@iwannabentley 4 года назад

Peter Jones was bang on with his projections on door to door shopping.

@chrishudson747 4 года назад

Mercedes mad when was this episode, it must have been several years ago, certainly more than 3? PJ’s prediction is still not even remotely close, so presumably the people he knows who were working on 10 minute windows have failed.

@JoannaHammond 4 года назад

@@TPH250290 Depends who's doing the delivery, my experience with Tesco is that it's always been in the window and if they would like to deliver early they phone to confirm it's ok. Never had a late delivery in over 5 years.

@mrbookish6701 4 года назад

@@chrishudson747 not true 2 years ago ,in Surrey, amazon grocers were doing this. 2 hour from purchase

@chrishudson747 4 года назад

Syntax Thesis 20 minute window to suit the buyer? Not a chance.

@chrishudson747 4 года назад

Daniel Caine Are you claiming that you can give Amazon a 10 minute delivery window and they will be there with your order within it? Unless you live in their distribution centre there is not a chance of them meeting such a delivery schedule.

@Boshek2019 6 месяцев назад

“It does look like a wheelie bin” The camera then cut to it looking EXACTLY like a wheelie bin💀

@nabilfreeman Год назад

Actually, this idea was picked up in Shanghai and has pretty good adoption in residential apartment blocks. They are refrigerated lockers with multiple doors (like InPost etc.) if they had pitched this in 2017 with a good design (it does look terrible) and sold these to building management companies etc they could have been on to something.

@elvickRULES 2 месяца назад

“If they had a good idea instead of a bad one they could’ve done well!” That’s how that works yeah

@thedunyadoneya2628 4 года назад

Me: just gonna breathe some oxygen. Duncan: You cannae!!

@thedunyadoneya2628 4 года назад

@@alistairthomson3870 fortunately, I never said pure oxygen, so it would be safe to assume I meant the commonly known amount.

@EazyDuz18 4 года назад

@@alistairthomson3870 no

@MaestroAlvis 4 года назад

@@alistairthomson3870 apparently that takes a while. Google says 16 hours of breathing pure oxygen leads to irreversible damage.

@zennamok5428 4 года назад

Hate people like Dunkan. Refused to believe something was possible even when showed the patent. And when told he was incorrect was like. Nah not real.

@kinkydaddy3147 4 года назад

'Dunkan' 😂😂😂

@regwatson2017 4 года назад

Patent law is very complex. I doubt anyone but a patents lawyer could make sense of that document in a few moments.

@elpechos 4 года назад

Even if they do have a patent; it doesn't mean it's valid. People have been delivering food and milk to ice-boxes since the 30s. Because there is prior art the patent could easily be void.

@speedyvedo99 4 года назад

Lol dude, hes being realistic. Patent law means nothing to Chinese copy cat manufacturers. You can be rest assured that if this thing ever took off and started making money, there would be Chinese knock offs Amazon and Ebay within a month. And good luck trying to enforce your patent on them, its a huge issue today

@Icetea-2000 4 года назад

Yeah but he’s correct, even if the patent is exactly the way he described then in China or somewhere else in the world someone would make a better, cheaper and more wide-spread solution immediately. This isn’t something like cars where you can still excel through engineering expertise, this is just a fridge on wheels, someone will absolutely copy that.

@ebonimom6964 3 года назад

Ah yes. My childhood. Endless days of getting locked inside of the refrigerator by my older brother, and my mother arriving home just in time to get me out before the hypothermia set in.

@MrBellsa61 2 года назад

3:35 "It'll never happen" Hearing him say that with such confidence, as I'm meeting the driver with my order at the door, having watched him arrive on the app 😂

@jhoughjr1 2 года назад

not in a three minute window as he stated.

@ruffsnap 2 года назад

Hahaha exactly. That was funny to watch in today's world, where you absolutely can get nearly anything delivered within hours or at least same day if you're anywhere near a sizable city.

@cl1cka Год назад

@@ruffsnap Mate supermakets are giving out 4 HOURS windows - what are you on about?? Peter was wrong.

@ruffsnap Год назад

@@cl1cka I think you replied to the wrong comment or something, idk, you seem to be confused lol

@flyaround312 4 месяца назад

@@ruffsnap The fact you can get it "delivered within hours or at least same day" is the *problem* they were trying to solve. If you're ordering food that needs to be a refrigerated or frozen you have to be there when the delivery arrives unless there's somewhere it can be stored until you get home, and if you don't have that then you have to stay home all day to make sure you're there to accept the delivery.

@hydra66 4 года назад

many years on, I've still not heard of it commercially. Peter was trying to snag the patent for his other businesses as mentioned at the beginning of the vid

@AChannelFrom2006 4 года назад

Says permanently closed on Google

@archiehewitt4 4 года назад

@@AChannelFrom2006 the accounts on companies house says otherwise

@psionicinversion 4 года назад

@@archiehewitt4 companycheck.co.uk/company/04156403/SHOPBOX-SYSTEMS-LIMITED/companies-house-data if thats right there net worth is about -£1,000,000. there company is pretty much dead i reckon

@lethyadon1182 4 года назад

Lol they have 15 directors

@frabe81118 4 года назад

@@lethyadon1182 They're burning through directors, they currently have 4 directors, all the others resigned for some reason.

@stsk7 4 года назад

The patent is very exclusive. Surprising they could get such a wide reaching patent

@Folsomdsf2 4 года назад

Until it's declared invalid.

@anyexpat 4 года назад

Until you go to court to defend it you do not know its worth

@Cyba_IT 4 года назад

Yeah, I wasn't aware that concepts were patentable. Hmmm I wonder if anyone has patented flying cars yet

@Rapscallion2009 4 года назад

Sir. You cannot patent a fridge. End

@emissarygw2264 4 года назад

Easy to get a patent. Impossible to defend it.

@truckwarrior5944 3 года назад

The moment when he said he had a patent on the concept for keeping food at temperature outside a house for delivery services, i laughed so hard. That has been a thing way before he ever got the patent for his own box. I literally lived in a apartment with a similar box around a decade before they ever went to Dragons' Den with their Box.

@patrickdelaney3961 4 года назад

"It's not like a wheelie bin at all", camera cuts to the most wheelie bin shot of the product 😅

@joetri10 4 года назад

Seeing Duncan getting body slammed by Peter was beautiful lmao

@MrJamberee 3 года назад

Except Peter is wrong. The refrigerator has already been invented, as has the garage refrigerator and freezer. Putting it outside with a lock on it is not going to be defensible. This is not the first time Peter has been wrong on patent and trademark laws. Also, if they really had such a patent, it would be worth much more than that, and Peter would have invested immediately.

@gibran6190 3 года назад

@@MrJamberee This!

@kebabkebob7808 3 года назад

@@MrJamberee If it wasn't defensible they wouldn't have been able to get a patent. This is pretty cut and dry to me if anyone tries to make a fridge designed to go outside then they will get sued.

@user-bo3mp8un6c 2 года назад

@@MrJamberee He has the patent, what don't you get? He shouldn't have the patent in my opinion but he does, he's obviously an influential person.

@rje613 2 года назад

@@MrJamberee A refrigerator isn't a lockable temperature controlled container, kept outside for storing deliveries while people aren't home.

@frabe81118 4 года назад

Stuart is a terrible negotiator Peter - "I want to offer you 1 million pounds" Stuart - "Yeah but some guys have said they'll give us 200 thousand pounds so now im going to be complicated"

@honeyyb 4 года назад

Did he rly think they weren't gonna see right thru that

@hezar5166 4 года назад

Had a deal just sitting in the chair in front of him but didn't take it. Wonder how the company is doing today

@scottwall8419 4 года назад

No, he's an honest businessman. He's honoring his word to those who came before the dragons den. And if Stuart had negotiated behind their back in the same manor they're asking him to do to the others theyde be furious. The dragons den is so agitating to watch because they're are products that have absolutely blown up from this show that they went out on because "it was ugly" or they couldn't read a concept patent correctly. The lions den wouldn't have invested in anything successful it's seems, not sure how these idiots made money

@frabe81118 4 года назад

@@scottwall8419 *dragons den

@scottwall8419 4 года назад

@@frabe81118 lol, thanks, I corrected it. Sometimes it seems more like a lions den than dragons, seems like most days they just want to take a big bite out of the entrepreneurs hide rather than invest lol.

@adamhuberman4387 Год назад

Is it not just a Refridgerator with a lock on it that you put outside?

@Mr-John. 4 года назад

At 3:25 “I don’t think it will ever happen” in 2020 is amazing especially during isolation and we all have to shop

@hiimjustin8826 4 года назад

"It's legit" "No" Well good to see what that's guy's about

@ramsaybolton7464 4 года назад

I’m pretty sure the dragons don’t even write anything on their notepad

@beastmasterbg 4 года назад

drawing doodles probably :D

@2DReanimation 4 года назад

Drawing different sized and shaped peni.

@bananapeaches6370 4 года назад

Nah games of hangman and noughts and crosses and they swap pads when they wait for a new business pitcher 😂

@bigbuckbunny9043 4 года назад

Jenny writes.. “I’m out”

@gregorsamsa1364 3 года назад

Definitely drawing dikks

@CalLadyQED 4 года назад

I normally like Duncan, but he was a JERK here. Seriously. Even after Peter confirmed they had a concept patent, he was still refusing to believe it. SMH

@BenjaminGoose 2 года назад

He was right though, the patent was bullshit. Too broad and unenforceable.

@ksinghproduction Год назад

I love this show! I just discovered it today and I can’t stop watching it!😎

@fjoo 4 года назад

Turning down 1million to keep negotiations going for 200 k... 😂

@reaperoflostsouls4323 4 года назад

If i was one of the dragons i would of asked him this question. If 90% of homes in the UK are empty during the day how did Jeremy Kyle become famous.

@henrytheeightheist8091 4 года назад

The people who watch Jeremy Kyle live on cigarettes,cheap booze and microwave meals.....they get these things delivered by taxi thanks to the overly generous benefits system we have in the UK.They have no requirement for a chilled 'wheelie bin'......

@reaperoflostsouls4323 4 года назад

@@henrytheeightheist8091 They would keep it next to the sofa for beer and junk food to save going to the fridge

@nakefatty9167 4 года назад

@@henrytheeightheist8091 i drive to Waitrose to buy fresh food thanks to the overly generous benefit system in the UK. i dont watch Jeremy Kyle because i have no desire to look down my nose at people. im glad you're proud of your job. And thanks for your generous tax contributions.

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodSpidey 4 года назад

@@nakefatty9167 get a job

@lincoln7184 4 года назад

reaper oflostsouls Skiving off at work 😀

@Jim-cj7pj 3 года назад

They may have scoffed at Theo but there is a reason refrigerator doors no longer latch and if you want to throw on away your required by law to take the door off. Their refrigerator trash bin is slightly less dangerous but still a liability nightmare.

@crazymonkeyVII 2 месяца назад

3:42 Peter was spot on with that. In the Netherlands we had delivery shopping during covid that arrived in under 10 minutes in many places. I once got my order in 5 (granted, in a city center), but it was around 10 minutes in most urban areas.

@Pastafari4 4 года назад

Amazon delivery: I'm about to end yhis man's whole career

@Alex-cw3rz 4 года назад

In 3- 5 year guaranteed everywhere there will be 10 minute window slots, well done Peter it's 8 years later and you're still wrong.

@Alex-cw3rz 4 года назад

@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio oh and also that's not at all what Peter Jones was referring too

@poohcatchyou3917 4 года назад

Actually, where I live, there are multiple apps that deliver groceries with a 30 minute window of accuracy to the time assigned. I can schedule deliveries in advance if required and the groceries are delivered almost always on time or within 30 minutes of the scheduled time. So Peter isn't wrong for saying that.

@Alex-cw3rz 4 года назад

@@poohcatchyou3917 He said ten minutes everywhere in the UK So firstly do you live everywhere?.... but more importantly seen as you used the word groceries do you even live in the UK?

@samhackett5715 4 года назад

@@Alex-cw3rz you don't use the word groceries?

@987mattj 4 года назад

@@Alex-cw3rz He said everywhere, so if you live anywhere and it is not possible then by definition it's not possible everywhere by implication. As someone who lives somewhere in the UK and doesn't have this, can confirm it's impossible.

@Nathan-nn9dn 2 года назад

I work in the groceries delivery business for a large supermarket chain and it is conpelatly against all policy to deliver to a house without seeing the face of the customer. No customer in. No shopping left.

@david1731048 Год назад

Nowadays you can simply schedule your shopping delivery for when you're going to be in. Mind blowing!

@TheVanderfulLife 4 года назад

100% my siblings would've picked me up and put me in there...all part of growing up

@MegaJakerobinson 4 года назад

Never seen this bin anywhere. Take it that nearly 2 million went down the drain

@jamieblack1789 4 года назад

The company is now closed lol

@trazyntheinfinite9895 4 года назад

well, what sort of malfunction does one need to have to even go ordering groceries online anyway?

@Andrew-yl7lm 4 года назад

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 well Ocado is one of the biggest companies in the FTSE 100...

@Septimus_ii 4 года назад

As of 30th June 2018, it looks like they still only had the ~£992,000 invested by the owners with very little activity over the last few years. Looks like the company technically hasn't been shut down yet, but it might as well be.

@alecman95 4 года назад

Jamie please learn how to read

@moneymaker8815 2 года назад

Anyone else remember a similar product pitched that was also rejected? Not refrigerated but a package box

@eaglemax 2 месяца назад

It heats when it's cold outside and visa versa. How does that work with ice-cream and hot chooks? One needs heat and one needs a freezer.

@AspieADog 4 года назад

You know this is a classic Dragons' Den when Peter's hair is less grey and James Caan makes an appearance, though he doesn't really speak much at all...

@MFXULTIMATESCALPER 4 года назад

Adam Cronin rather James than Jenny 😂

@BenRangel 4 года назад

9:58 - Duncan's best reaction to being told he was dead wrong 😂

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodSpidey 4 года назад

Lol

@andrewleah1983 2 года назад

The guy is a massive bellend. Thinks because he’s a successful business man he can belittle people.

@BenjaminGoose 2 года назад

@@andrewleah1983 He's right though, the patent is nonsense.

@candice9169 4 года назад

I see this working. If you want a specific slot and they don't have it, you have to rebook the next day. I think that the wheelie bin concept is wrong, a larger kinda of box, with a code would work better I reckon.

@halfsourlizard9319 5 месяцев назад

It's been more than 3 years and deliveries are absolutely not timed within 10 minutes, most unfortunately. Maybe in the glorious future ...

@FederationStarShip 4 года назад

It’s shite. For that reason, I’m out

@FlyboyHelosim 4 года назад

One of the most glaring issues with this, that nobody pointed out, is what if someone just comes along and walks off with it? Someone could just walk away with a week's free groceries or parcels. I've seen kids take wheelie bins over a mile away just to burn them out, so someone could easily steal a bin full of good stuff.

@bendover4773 4 года назад

Yep, whack it on a skateboard, roll it down the street. Gg ez game

@sbarmiueenl 4 года назад

And the wheels just make it even easier to steal

@emperorlelouch6322 4 года назад

As with most drop-rentals nowadays, at least in my parts, it should have a GPS chip in it that would make the bin trackable. They came in with a conceptual prototype, it was certainly in no state to be put outside someone's door like that. Gotta have a way to unlock it from the inside, it's got to be stress tested and redesigned, and as you said the issue on how to make theft preventable. It needed a lot more work before it came onto the show, and the concept itself is very susceptible to the fast drastic changes of the delivery industry.

@leopold7562 4 года назад

It's a valid point, Flyboy. I had an Amazon delivery left in my paper recycling bin which was on the road outside my house and some scrote walked off with half of it.

@albertbatfinder5240 4 года назад

I presumed that you’d chain it to something. And I don’t think it needs wheels at all. If it fits outside, you’d leave it there. It’s still crap, though.

@GeorgeProwse Год назад

15 years later and Tesco still can't deliver within 2 hours, let alone 15 minutes.

@WJeezus 4 месяца назад

I think uber isn't that bad

@Mjsmecha 4 года назад

I know it seems a bit outlandish, but I think Theo was coming from the perspective of those lockable fridges where kids have actually locked themselves or others in and they've suffocated. I don't think they're allowed to make residential locking fridges anymore at lease here in the US. You have some potential situations where kids could hide in there and someone could lock them in accidentally. It looks like at least they can't lock themselves since the latch can't be locked unless the lid is closed and someone from the outside turns the key afterwards. I don't know I see the entrepreneurs' point, but you can find these horror stories and they banned those fridges for a reason.

@khansahib7110 4 года назад

If it wasn't for the old fella, Peter would have got in

@leongargan6024 4 года назад

@glyn hodges There were apparently multiple "other seriously interested investors", and they, collectively, weren't going to cost Stuart as much equity as Peter wanted.

@bingola45 4 года назад

He got his nose put out of joint by Bannatyne, so he cut it off to spite his face.

@likeastrike1 3 года назад

3:20 £2,99 a week or £12,99 per month. What a businessplan 😎😎

@Scoffslaphead72 3 года назад

There definately is a problem with supermarket deliveries. To this day I would argue they have nowhere near enough delivery slots.

@killamindz138 4 года назад

James caan always the voice of reason.

@chris77777777ify 4 года назад

Not this time

@craigconnell8234 4 года назад

Nazim changed his name by deed poll

@deletebilderberg 4 года назад

Craig Connell Yup Cultural appropriation

@scrappydoogal804 4 года назад

He's a smooth cat 🐱

@hamzaussene7107 4 года назад

Wow guess Peter was right. 3 to 5 years later and pretty much all supermarkets offer delivery with time slots you can choose. An investment well avoided.

@bannjaxx 4 года назад

not ten minute time slots tho, not even close, its impossible, too many variables - traffic, weather, size of delivery at earlier stops, awkwardness of previous deliveries, stairs, you name it, no one can guarantee 10 minute windows

@hamzaussene7107 4 года назад

Absolutely. Imagine buying this then it becoming irrelevant.

@FernandoGuerra1 2 года назад

@@bannjaxx Here in Brazil we have Rappi Turbo, they delivery groceries in 10 min or less, always works, I have been using for quite some time now

@TheProphegy 3 года назад

Lmao that dudes issue with a kid getting locked in there. That can happen with anything, a car, a room, whatever. All they have to do is have a way to unlock from the inside, that’s easy.

@truckwarrior5944 3 года назад

Generally Kids on the streets can not just enter other peoples cars and lock themselfes in there, same goes for rooms. When it is your own property its quite a different thing especially when it comes to insurance. Thats like if you have a pont and your kid drowns in there. You lost a child, but legally you are not in a lot of trouble. If you have a pont and some random kid can just walk up to it and drown in there, you are fucked.

@paulesterline5714 4 года назад

I have a fridge in my garage, it has a freezer and of course the cold part. It would be simple to leave the door unlocked and they could stick it in. No problem, no charge.

@davisbrown2003 4 года назад

No mention of the wheeled box of stuff outside someones house, just waiting for some tea leaf to say thanks very much, as they wheel it away down the street.

@AM-og5jt 4 года назад

I thought that too....and his unique privileged background should have told him that 😂😂😂

@BryanFuryous 4 года назад

Get it home, open it up to see what you've won... oh a dead kid... wheel it back :P

@OsamaBinDarrel 4 года назад

A Tea Leaf ???

@joshfeeney6197 4 года назад

@@OsamaBinDarrel means thief

@AM-og5jt 4 года назад

I like how Debra went on about how horrible it would look outside the house...imagine how bad it would be triple padlocked to a metal structure concreted into the ground......mmm mm lovely but you could hide it behind a mock wishing well or some water feature with Buddha in the middle just to set it off nicely..