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No Crank No Start! Not what YOU Think! 2012 Hyundai Elantra 1.8

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Customer States: Engine does not start sometimes, you turn the key and nothing happens.
This 2008 Hyundai came it with an intermittent no crank condition. What is happening is the starter and the engine to not turn on when the ignition key is. The failure doesn't happen all of the time. We checked out the simple things first like the battery and the battery cables. The ignition system seemed to work normally and the relay also checked out. The diag went down to the starter motor and we had to use a spliced wire lead to connect a test light for more diagnostic information.
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@rajbeekie7124 5 месяцев назад

Every neighborhood needs a Ray.

@jojomorgan8556 5 месяцев назад

Better Yet, Every SHOP needs a RAY.

@thethirdrail8397 5 месяцев назад

Everybody needs a rain man! ... A few years ago I edited the song rainmaker :by: the Cryin' Shames : which I added in a perfect Round of thunder to the song then later I tried adding in a cackle of a witch to the song... I have Four versions of the song now! they all sound good... I just can not release the copies. do to the laws the forgo such great mixing!

@dxxxm231 5 месяцев назад

I’m a recovering Hyundai tech. There’s a 1 pin connector near the air box on almost every hyundai which is the starter solenoid wire. This is always my go to test point to check starter signal. Those solenoid connectors always break!

@sebbykaiser6466 5 месяцев назад

Honestly Hyundai doesn't pay warranty diag so if it has extended warranty or its still in its 6 years/120km I just start with a starter lol

@thethirdrail8397 5 месяцев назад

@@sebbykaiser6466 Good thing Car Dealerships do not place Warranties in Micro Miles Or micro KM! Or worse yet Inches vs Miles or KM! Your stay at the dealership while that is being printed out... might be a while! which may give you reason to check out more cars!

@jojomorgan8556 5 месяцев назад

That's actually not exclusively Hyundai... The 2010 Ford I'm driving has the same connector clipped to the side of the battery box... it's also a known failure point... not sure but it seems there's some similarity there... but that's just my opinion as a Tech with 30+ yrs exp.

@1337penguinman 5 месяцев назад

No crank no start on these Hyundais is always an initial 2 step process for me. 1) Try to turn the engine over by hand. 2) If it turns over, put a power probe on that wire and see if it cranks.

@jojomorgan8556 5 месяцев назад

@@1337penguinman I have had a few people call me with the no crank no start problem with Ford trucks and I say I only have one question. "Has the battery recently been changed? " The answer is almost always a YES. I tell them that I can tell them what to do to start it but they'll owe me my $20 diagnosis fee when they do..... Out of over a dozen people I've only had one person who didn't bring it.... So, he's no longer a customer.....

@bryanrulz3904 5 месяцев назад

I love these diag videos Ray. These are great examples of critical thinking skills and troubleshooting. Thanks for sharing brother!

@shadetreemech290 5 месяцев назад

As an electronics technician, I can confirm that the troubleshooting procedure was accurate and valid.

@cliffyb5896 5 месяцев назад

When Ray was holding the key in start and it wasn't doing anything, I was yelling at him to jiggle the shifter. He couldn't hear me though😀. He still got it in the end though. thanks for bringing us on your diag.

@gcfixitc9283 5 месяцев назад

Why did you not try a neutral position to see if it would start

@jdesaavedra0432 5 месяцев назад

When faced with this situation, I try the jiggle test of the neutral safety switch before rigging lights. My very first failure to start was in my first car, a 1960 Impala back in 1970. Being a kid, I bypassed the switch. it was fun to launch by starting in drive. Those were the days of simple cars--yet they still had failures. Your method achieves the same results with a greater degree of certainty, given the complexity of modern systems.

@gms8994 5 месяцев назад

I would love to have a Ray closer to my area. Watching his videos for the last few years tells me that I could absolutely trust him to do work on my vehicles.

@timetryp422 5 месяцев назад

His videos are addictive !

@thewausaudude 5 месяцев назад

Ray’s only about 20 hours away from me, so it could be an excuse to escape the Midwest for a bit and enjoy the warmth of Florida. Though it will tack a little extra cost onto that repair bill 😂

@gms8994 5 месяцев назад

@@thewausaudude it’s not that far for me, but it’s still a hike. I’ve got friends in that area and have more than once considered a visit… ha

@alvinhyman6838 5 месяцев назад

I visited Florida yesterday but not in Ray's area. Hit Juniper, West Palm Beach and part of Okachobe yesterday. Wish that I would've had the time to hit Ray up but I was on a tight schedule.

@tnekkc 5 месяцев назад

I am an electrical engineer that designed power supplies and battery chargers. Ray is very good at explaining troubleshooting.

@thethirdrail8397 5 месяцев назад

I know this is RmR's channel, but... how good are you at The electrical end of sound systems? I sure would like to know how, An amp can be made to handle full four track wiring with out the discrete board. No one needs that board anyways, it just destroys the Quadraphonic experience any ways!

@moneysaversilver 5 месяцев назад

Sometimes a broken system is easier to troubleshoot than a intermediate one, I know because I seen lots of that aa a aircraft electrician intermediate USAF, I like watching you do electrician work, brings back good memories, and keep my brain working.

@wayneessar7489 5 месяцев назад

Is that like an intermittent problem?

@gryfandjane 5 месяцев назад

Interesting… this is the second repair vid I’ve seen where a faulty neutral safety switch was causing a non-start. And man, I love those interactive schematics. What a great tool.

@solargarage 5 месяцев назад

Awesome video. It looks like the new switch has a protective cover to guard again water entering the switch, the old one does not have this. Would be cool to see the inside of the old switch. I would guess the old one has some corrosion in it.

@ethanallen326 5 месяцев назад

There is an older Ray video that ended up being the range selector switch. In that one he did open up the failed switch.

@ronsloan7662 5 месяцев назад

Hey Ray, brilliant diagnosis. I was blaming the key switch all the way through until you found the actual problem. Great work! Cheers!

@chaddelong6795 5 месяцев назад

I’d be willing to bet any other shop would’ve instantly diagnosed this as an ignition switch. Goes to show the extent of care Ray puts to not just fire a parts cannon hoping to fix the issue.

@brettemerich3237 5 месяцев назад

Ray A nice diagnosis. It’s like mowing the grass. (You can see the results). Once there was a no start in a parking lot. They were talking to the tow truck driver. I told them to put it I. Neutral and I start. They said good bye to tow truck driver. Anyway Ray have a good day

@citizengroovesboogienation2242 5 месяцев назад

This is great. My wife's 2016 1.8L Elantra has started to have exactly this problem. Your video is going to minimise my diag time. Thanks Ray.

@mrgunn2726 5 месяцев назад

Uggh, intermittent issues are the worst and are notoriously difficult to troubleshoot. Good work Ray!

@timetryp422 5 месяцев назад

Ray's diagnostic skills are exceptional !

@cranefly23 5 месяцев назад

That really was “a very good video”! I enjoy these diagnostic detective jobs. I find them much more interesting than a brake job or fluid change - even though I enjoy them too. Nicely done, Ray.

@billmurray4895 5 месяцев назад

Love the packing tape mod on the driver side rear view mirror.

@sumosidnz 5 месяцев назад

This kinda troubleshooting is GOAT. Many shops would have started throwing parts at it.. Awesome work.

@timetryp422 5 месяцев назад

Many mechanics can't diagnose properly.

@blackenigma1054 5 месяцев назад

I don’t care where i am when i here white snake i stop and listen…..that song always takes me back🤷🏿‍♂️😂

@patrickchavez3848 5 месяцев назад

White snake and all the other hair bands the men who dressed like woman with make up and even their hair was done like females, those bands killed Rock and helped usher in rap. I despise all those crap bands for that reason!!!!!!😡

@fahisaurus 5 месяцев назад

Ray there is a TSB 17-AT-005 from Hyundai about this issue, and one of the symptoms is "Intermittent no engine crank/no start in “P” or “N” with or without MIL or DTC.". It's a known issue. My old landlord had the same car and issue. You'd have to row it between park and neutral before it would start. More often than not, it starts in neutral vs park.

@TheHonestL1ar 5 месяцев назад

That's probably why the new one looked different and oreillys had it on the shelf

@zaiks0105 5 месяцев назад

Nice!

@SeanBZA 5 месяцев назад

Old original one gets water in it, and as the safety start is on the bottom, that fails before the display starts to give false readings. Bottom is the safety switch, and the reverse light, top is the trans position switch. Most common would be start failure, but another clue is the reverse lamps either glowing dimly, or being burnt out from being on all the time.

@Really658 5 месяцев назад

Neutral safety switch, brings back memories.

@Codadams 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for taking us through the troubleshooting steps. It is one thing to tell us the problem but even better to show us the thought process, full diagnostic, full repair. Helps us all!!

@JimSmithBrazil 5 месяцев назад

Really enjoy your electrical troubleshooting. Your online diagrams are killer too.

@philipershler420 5 месяцев назад

It’s always so much fun watching Ray use the information from AllData to devise a plan to figure out where the problem lies. It’s also comforting that when he couldn’t find the second white wire he did not want to guess where the other wire could be and begin shorting to random pins. With all the data that AllData provides, it must have a very hefty subscription cost, but it’s certainly the best tool in the shop for diagnosing electrical issues. 👍

@aderi31415 5 месяцев назад

I think Eric O. mentioned that if you're a DIYer, you can get short term access to AllData or OEM info for relatively cheap. Subscriptions are indeed expensive.

@DeeGee-mv6eq 5 месяцев назад

Eric O fanboy

@briandeschene8424 5 месяцев назад

@@aderi31415 It’s about US$200 per month. It can be more (even much more) per month if you subscribe to its specialty/extension add-ons like mobile, expert hotline, estimate writer, collision, etc.

@alvinhyman6838 5 месяцев назад

Alldata is much more reasonable point than many others on the market! They also provide guides to troubleshoot that is interactive for commercial subscriptions and it gives a number of fixes per possible issue. As an example it may tell you that 7 out 10 repairs for no start were the neutral switch 2 were relay and one was corrosion so that you can check the most likely part first. It has way more than wiring diagrams .

@garbonzobean1 5 месяцев назад

Isn't it around $150\month? What's wrong with being an Eric O fanboy?

@brianpolge7478 5 месяцев назад

After the repair, did you check to see if it started in "N" and did not start in th "R" or "D". If everything worked. Nice Job!!

@surferdude4487 5 месяцев назад

It's good to see that you don't immediately yeat a perfectly good starter. Taking that time to diagnose and correct the actual problem means that you're keeping your customers and you're not getting returns for a problem THAT WAS NOT FIXED.

@AliasTekTV 5 месяцев назад

Hey, not to discredit Ray for his amazing diagnostic work, but can we all give some applause to this fantastic specimen of the EverStart battery currently installed in this vehicle? I mean, look how many restarts he got out of it without a booster!

@Thisoldhiker 5 месяцев назад

It looks like a well-maintained car. Not surprising that the owner would keep a good battery in it.

@fg146 5 месяцев назад

I've had so many range selector issues with different vehicles that it was my first guess on this one but your testing method is right on track with what I normally do. Had a lot of issues with DOA Chinese knockoff range selectors from Amazon.

@jasonroberts5746 5 месяцев назад

I had to replace the neutral safety switch on a 07 Ford Ranger. The brand new one was bad. Took it back and swapped it out and that one was bad too. Loved doing it so much, I did it 3 times.

@williammyers5911 5 месяцев назад

Retired ATM tech for over 20 years. Always took pics on arrival and steps during diagnostics. The pics and stateme t of repair was for my history and for any other tech in the the future calls if needed. Worked on every ATM manufactured and sub models. My SLA (service level agreement) was 2 hours on site window after call was generated by customer,with a 4 fix time. The Diagnostic was always using a 7 step plan on every call. Stated with the cables/wiring and worked up to software. You never know what to be the fault. Always used the senses on vision, hear, touch, smell, and sometime taste. Never met a ATM or smart safe that defeated me. I enjoy your video's and narration of the fix. Thank you and I wish we lived closer to you shop. Live in SC.

@macmcdougald1769 5 месяцев назад

BEFORE YOU REMOVED THE NSS, I WOULD HAVE TRIED TO SEE IF IT STARTED IN NEUTRAL.

@joesayre838 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely easy test

@505fastlife6 4 месяца назад

If it did what would that mean?

@Misterfishface 5 месяцев назад

Good day to you Ray and all at the shop! Hope you all have a very good day!

@c4rn199 5 месяцев назад

I like watching you figure out how it works rather than looking it up. As for the new inhibitor switch it will go right on with the car in neutral. You can also align the metal cable bracket by sticking a bolt or screw driver in the hole when it's in neutral.

@frankvucolo6249 5 месяцев назад

That was a dinga. A dinga beauty. You were in the zone on this one and very well explained along the way. Just a simple test light and a logical process of elimination leading you to the fault.

@proudcanadian5713 5 месяцев назад

Ray, you sir are a master mechanic. I would bet that lesser techs would have fired off the parts cannon and replaced several components before settling on that one.

@bendelbridge 5 месяцев назад

Or stood there scratching their heads for a few hours wondering what to do lol

@MrMattDat 5 месяцев назад

Love to hear your approach to diagnosing a problem Ray! Great job!!

@chrisstone3939 5 месяцев назад

Great bit of electrical problem determination....super thorough as usual!

@kevincurry4735 5 месяцев назад

Good morning Ray and happy hump day. Hyundai doesn’t seem to want to get galloping again after running. Intermittent problem on a car are the worst.

@maroofr 5 месяцев назад

I’m just now starting to learn about cars and how to work on them and let me tell you this is the most educational channel I’ve found so far. Thank you!!!!

@garbonzobean1 5 месяцев назад

Eric O over at the South Main Auto channel is king. I suspect Ray will become an Eric O eventually.

@vc8939 5 месяцев назад

Good day to you Ray, very impressive diagnosis video. Just shows your dedication to finding the issue. You should have another happy customer. However, another video without a Dave sighting 😂😂😂

@crashoverride328 5 месяцев назад

This post at 19:21 - The quick test routine I use with things like this is check for power at pin 30 of the starter relay, then try jumping 30 to 87. If the starter motor, solenoid and wiring are all OK the vehicle will crank every time. Assuming that works we can swap relays to rule that out. Assuming the relay swap doesn't solve it we're limited then to the control side of the relay. Wiring diagram time. How does the command side work. Using a 2nd gen Ram as an example the starter solenoid power comes in on one side, in a manual transmission model the positive comes from the key switch, through the clutch pedal switch to the relay, negative control side is just grounded. In auto transmission models positive comes direct from the switch, negative goes through the neutral safety on the transmission. Finding which is missing simplifies the search. Each step rules out as much of the vehicle wiring as possible. Now, back to watching the video lol.

@merrillschaps2325 5 месяцев назад

Hey Ray! Did anyone ever tell you that you're a Ray of sunshine? Love your video brother! 😀

@svcnovelty4992 5 месяцев назад

I don't work on cars, but I really enjoy your videos. Your narration is easy to follow and informative thank you for what you do. If I ever break down in Florida, I would want to bring my vehicle to you. You give the profession an excellent name, my friend.

@jeffreydove821 5 месяцев назад

When you replace a neutral safety switch, you should try to start the engine in reverse and drive to make sure it DOESN'T crank, in case the switch needs to be adjusted.

@DJKoby91 5 месяцев назад

I noticed that the “P” for park on the dash was missing when you unplugged them replugged the natural safety so definitely the issue was with the fingers in the switch. Good diag and enjoy the vids

@iillaamusic 5 месяцев назад

These deep diagnosis investigations are my top favourite videos, Sir Raylock Holmes.

@Sir_Uncle_Ned 5 месяцев назад

Your mastery of diagnosis is unrivalled.

@lokigames5091 5 месяцев назад

I love these diag videos of having to test multiple different relays,switches,etc that are critical to the operation, great video Ray

@CalkoLouie 5 месяцев назад

Hey Rae I had this Nutral safety switch on a hyundai 1.8 lt which did not replace it but it was sitting for a week parked and a lot of snow.great video.

@n3vmt126 5 месяцев назад

Surprised didn't try the gear shift jiggle both before and after, just my observation still great video and diag.

@ITIRICI 5 месяцев назад

I actually guessed it was the neutral safety switch. I had the same issue with my cousins car and when I rocked back and forth in the car it would start. I checked that and replaced as OEM has issues and this is well known. Took 15 minutes and it still works.

@londen3547 5 месяцев назад

Ray was asleep at the switch today, didn't verify that the car would start in neutral and not reverse or drive.

@stephenspankmonkey2594 5 месяцев назад

Loving this "classic Ray" diagnosis video - just like the old days 🥰

@gmann49ers 5 месяцев назад

I called neutral safety switch at the beginning. My daughters Camry had the same symptoms.

@fordmanfinis 5 месяцев назад

I need to do a similar inspection on a 2004 2500 hd chevy. Relays and battery are good. Starter is less than 3 years old, which doesnt mean anything, i know. There were no warning signs of start failure. It just quit working. No click or anything. Weather is just now starting to get nice enough to diagnose it. The trans switch lit a bulb over my head, though. Thanks for your videos.

@Kuyakano.productions 5 месяцев назад

Love watching. you do good work! you're intelligent and you're funny all in one🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

@CakeRSq 5 месяцев назад

I haven’t watched the end yet, but my car had similar symptoms, was the ignition key cylinder. You wrote that off early, because ignition 2 was disengaging, but that doesn’t mean the start wire was engaging. An older car of mine was the neutral safety switch. so we’ll see what happens.

@rogerfleury3591 5 месяцев назад

61st! Happy HUMPDAY Ray and the wife unit. Including the new employees. Roger in Pierre South Dakota

@GARDENER42 5 месяцев назад

Had a Land Rover Discovery with a similar issue - was the mounting of the safety switch connected to the drive selector. Had to hold the selector lever forward in Park to crank. Shimmed the switch by 1mm & it was fixed.

@johnmarino4085 5 месяцев назад

Nicely done Ray !

@techbilldeaf 5 месяцев назад

Excellent diagnostic! Most mechanic would had gone straight to relay and starter to test confirm that it’s good and then start tearing out the steering column to replace the ignition switch wasting time and parts. What would be bad that if start every time after replacing it then customer come get the car and it does it again stranding the customer.

@russelbaird3342 5 месяцев назад

I really enjoy watching you go through the diagnosis of an issue . Thank you it was fun . Stay safe , have fun .

@rodgerpetrick6502 5 месяцев назад

If I ever have issue with my vehicle i'd love to bring it to Rays

@iowasandy 5 месяцев назад

I missed the parts disassembly to see what failed in the NSS switch! Good basic trouble shooting. I look forward every morning to see a new clip as I am retired and do not see customers problems anymore, just my own!

@SeanBZA 5 месяцев назад

Those switches are a common failure, the recess at the top allows water in, corroding the safety switch, which is on the bottom of the switch. You note the new switch is a different design, including both no more recess, and a seal that is improved to keep the switch dry inside. If you look at the wiring diagram there is actually a option for the switch, used in the manual version, where the vehicle will not start unless the clutch pedal is fully pressed. That switch too is known to give problems, but being protected is less likely to suffer from water ingress and the corrosion from that, more than not simply falling apart as the plastic goes brittle.

@bobberndt9744 5 месяцев назад

I had a thought for 'bonus videos' for when you have slow days, or need more content. # start an autopsy box. Where you disassemble a faulty switch, or water pump, or something something and explain/show us what failed. Might need a reference number or date to inform us what/where it came from. Thanks

@GlennLaycock 5 месяцев назад

that car is in good shape - clean

@donaldmickunas8552 5 месяцев назад

Great diagnosis as always. Love your videos.

@JDSWeather 5 месяцев назад

same car as mine 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 4D 1.8L love my Elantra.

@dannylinc6247 5 месяцев назад

Something vewy sqwewy about pin fitment between switches and connector at TR range plug. Just noticing. Hard to get at. Cwank vewy good now. Good video Ray and good diagnostic steps. I learned alot. Sorta.

@user-fx4hb3tp4o 5 месяцев назад

Wow bro I'm impressed, that's good work and awesome diagnosis. You definitely know your stuff👏👏👏. That would've made me just burn it to the ground🤣🤣. Again kudos for another awesome video!

@KentuckyRanger 5 месяцев назад

Very methodical process. Awesome as always!

@bulldogshouse9970 5 месяцев назад

You did a great job on this one keep up the great work 👍💪

@achap3604 5 месяцев назад

Thank u for sharing your knowledge I am a mechanic with little electrical knowledge and am learning through your channel

@woody95124 5 месяцев назад

Good job Ray!..No guessing..just proper testing leads to no mistakes..

@excellentjb 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely inspiring to DIY person that looking over and over this channel. Great job Raymond!

@kdmq Месяц назад

To all those saying "No crank no start" is redundant, it's not! Sometimes cars will still push start when they don't crank, so a "No crank start" is 100% possible and I even had one on my own car once.

@bartscave 5 месяцев назад

Keep the diag videos coming! Definitely a favorite.

@johndickerson9328 5 месяцев назад

If it's not too much money, I like to replace the relay as well. That gives me a $10.00 - $20.00 warranty. Especially with fuel pump ⛽️, & starter job's. Ever since I started doing that, I have had "ZERO" comback's.

@brianallen9810 5 месяцев назад

On my base 2009 KIA Rio if you just pulled the ignition key out about a quarter inch the steering would lock. I had new keys made for it by giving the VIN # to the dealer and it fixed the problem. Comparing the keys you could see that they were quite different especially the end of the key. This was a new car and these were the OEM keys it came with from the factory. Kind of scary.

@Wheel_Horse 5 месяцев назад

My first thought was the neutral start switch. Then I remembered the crusty ground strap on the pickup a while back. It would be interesting to see a dissection of the switch!

@tortugam1045 5 месяцев назад

Dang, you are smart as a whip!

@brad6665 5 месяцев назад

My 1972 Charger Rallye doesn't have all that jazz, so it is either the key switch or neutral safety switch. So much easier back in the day. No electronics controlling gizmos

@campy9712 5 месяцев назад

This video is awesome it contains “ PIN WILLIGISH” 21:45 . Thanks for another great video Ray!

@joemalone9380 5 месяцев назад

the people of the sunshine state are so very fortunate

@Patriot-bn9om 5 месяцев назад

My daily dose of coffee and Ray inspiration sequence complete. Now, I can get off my arse and try to do something that adds value to the world.

@micahhill4786 5 месяцев назад

I use to have a 2013 Hyundai Elantra and these cars are common problem was the neutral safety switch going bad. If you have a black plastic cover neutral switch you will need to replace it with an aluminum cover neutral switch because that’s the newer improve part.

@MotorheadRedo 5 месяцев назад

Guessed it would be the relay. Wrong! Good Video

@johnnoblet7705 5 месяцев назад

Excellent diagnostic sense. Very methodical and thoughtful. Great job.

@samjackaman1928 5 месяцев назад

I love a good diag video! Keep them coming Ray, your videos are my evening chill out after work. I do find myself suggesting the next step as you go. My wife thinks I’m nuts. 😆. I’m also astounded by how clean a 10 year old car is in Florida compared to a 2 year old car in the UK! It looks like it rolled of the production line only last week!

@mr__southern1492 5 месяцев назад

I always do the relay swap to see if that's the problem and I've never actually had it be the problem but I know the one time I don't check, That would be the issue

@jimwalker7665 5 месяцев назад

Ray, you called it a simple fix but it was only simple after you did an excellent job of diagnosing. You avoided replacing a lot of parts that were good. You should get paid a lot for diagnosing.