No More Warped Rotors - Raybestos HD Brake Rotors

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I have been having an issue with warped rotors. My 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ has been warping front rotors within 5k miles. I believe it is from my commute which includes a mountain I must go over every day.
For that reason I have decided to give the Raybestos performance rotors a shot. The price was right, but will they work? They are certainly not like any brake rotor I have ever seen before..
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@mistapikkles 3 года назад

So what's up with those rotors? Update?

@timtrinkaus7072 4 года назад

Doug excellent video and I agree on your points on what maybe causing the warping. After 6 years and 70K miles on my 2000 4.7L Limited WJ I’ve had many front brake jobs due to the same warping rotors. I originally had the teves then changed them out to the akebono’s and still had warping issues. I was using ceramic pads and that was causing my problems they create too much heat and my calipers seized. Good thing Pep Boys warrantied my calipers three times lol. Last brake job I did I got the Brembo Brand rotors from Rock Automand a good quality Raybestos semi-metallic pads and it’s been over a years and so far so good. The rotors are holding up well and no issues with these calipers. I was going to bite the bullet and go with mopar rotors to see how they last but so far I don’t need to go that route. I was getting tired of front brake jobs. I’m not hard on my brakes either. I think the WJ brakes like all other brakes on Jeeps of that era were not adequate

@Evillt1 2 года назад

I run these on my 17 mustang...all four corners zero issues!.and I only run hybrid pads!..and it stops on a dime... so glad I found these online!

@skylarscales9922 2 года назад

I use the Raybestos police HD rotors and pads on my 05 Tahoe and there the best brake components I’ve used despite the unbelievable amount of dust they produce 💀

@brossovitch 4 года назад

Haven't had a lot of issues on my ZJ with drilled/slotted rotors with carbon/ceramic pads. Extremely budget friendly PowerStop. Going on 2 years, 18k miles. Still tons of life left.

@speedtrapp219d2 4 года назад

I’ve done about the same on my 16 Chevy Silverado I finally spent some money and went with stop tech and with them they had to be broke in and bedded in with mutable heat cycles there’s a whole ceremony but since then no issues ever and FYI you probably know this but never wanna use old pads on new rotors keep on keeping on brother keep fighting the good fight

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Yea, that break in is key. We will likely do a video on that sometime

@bijubalakrishnan3780 Год назад

Is there a follow up video on this after driving for awhile?

@mattd603 2 года назад

Any updates on how the rotors are doing?

@nissan300ztt 2 года назад

Any updates on how good these work? Because NAPA uses these rotors and I wanna put them on my Durango.

@TheBeardedJeeper 4 года назад

Those look interesting for sure... if they work it’s not stupid

@GazaKing89 3 года назад

Thinking about getting these rotors. How have they held up after a year?

@brianeidmann5941 3 года назад

Figure I'd throw it out there. I've been driving DSMs for years and have experienced warped rotor problems on my cars until I switched to EBC brakes with a slotted rotor option from either EBS, Power Slot, or Power Stop and combined them with EBC reds and ATE TYPE 200 Brake Fluid and never looked back. I'd stay away from crossdrilled unless they are forged that way. I replace pads more often, but the pad does not chew through rotors as other high performance pads do and i get similar stopping power with less dust. Slots keep the pad nice and cool and clean when I rally my GVR4. I'd rather change pads over replacing my expensive racing rotors any day. The stopping power of these things is absolutely a dream once they heat up. Now, the reds are not for SUV, so you would need to try the EBC orange extra duty. I haven't used them on my Jeep yet, but they might be worth a try.

@joebourgoin6554 3 года назад

Runout from not cleaning hubs or bad hubs will cause thickness variation on rotors ("warping" as people say) due to uneven pad deposits. Check runout or at the very least clean the hubs. Also those Wearever Silver pads are semi metallic which is the hardest on rotors compared to ceramic or organic, but pad type should not affect causing rotor thickness variation aka "warping"/pulsing

@4411825 Год назад

Nice l looking rotors and thinking about eventually getting them on my car.

@vector150 2 года назад

So how did they end up working out have not seen a video on the outcome.

@danielsimpson8929 2 года назад

So after two years wanna do an update? How many miles? Did the pads wear quickly? Any pitting or other weird stuff in the grooves?

@kevinthomas6924 Год назад

I am about to purchase those rollers tomorrow and the performance brakes I just bought some front brakes and rollers 3 months ago and put it on a 2018 Dodge Charger RT and now they are warped when I slow down from doing 60 the whole front is shaking

@Shawn-dy8be Год назад

Looking at theses for an Expedition. How are they doing?

@correya.lettsome4702 2 года назад

Next time you do pads Look into the Raybestos EHT line of pads. Everything I have put them on it has improved the braking performance. Nobody I know has anything good to say about wearever pads especially the ceramic formula in any mountainous areas. Alot of ceramic formula pads don't give consistent friction and people get poor braking or feeling like something is lodged between the pads. WJ's have sucky brakes. Over the years when i hear people complain about ceramic brakes I tell them get the semi metallic pads and that solves their problems.

@WildernessPreacher 3 месяца назад

How have they held up?

@jeff2363 4 года назад

Spent two hours under a Jeep the other day working on getting a 247 transfer case. Discovered in the end someone had tried to remove it while it was still on the cross member and stripped three of the bottom bolts. Got some bolt extractors and going back to the pull a part again see if it’s still there and I can get those last three bolts off. My ruby will need breaks soon too so thanks for the videos. Is that an 02 Jeep Grand Cherokee?

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Jeez... what a nightmare! Good luck bud!

@kykypenn Год назад

You got a update on the rotors?

@KJsProjects 4 года назад

D&E video!?! Heck yes. If these don't work, Powerstop Z36 kit. Just get the pads and rotors unless you need new calipers. They are great on my wife's 16 Explorer and they aren't noisy or dusty. I'm seriously considering them for my JK.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Thanks dude. That will be next on my list if these dont work

@99jeepxjguy97 4 года назад

I can vouch for the Z36. Used em on an elcamino first. Now as set on my XJ. Got the calipers too, just cuz of the red powdercoat. ;) Work great. Don't make a mess on the wheels either!

@steffytheking 4 года назад

Hey bud, can I make a suggestion? I recommend, even though they aren’t the cheapest, the powerstop brake pad and rotor kit. The z23 and z26 pads are a carbon fiber ceramic so they run much cooler, stop really good when cold, stop insanely good when hot, are quiet and produce barely any brake dust. Also you just take some time to bed the pads into the rotors, helps them stop better and keeps them from overheating as easy. If you have any questions about anything mechanical, ask away bud. Have a fantastic day, peace.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Thank you. I will give them a try. These are holding up, but next time I will try those

@steffytheking 4 года назад

Btw, I did forget to mention they make a HD towing specific bad and rotor combo. I’m currently testing an eBay special drilled/slotted rotor with the z26 pads. I’ll try to remember to comment here with a review off how they last. My guess is even with a lower quality rotor, the extra cooling from the drilled holes and the cooler operation carbon ceramic pads will still give great brake life and performance but we shall see.

@jonking7345 2 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage so, 2 years on, what did you decide about these?

@Danny-d 3 года назад

whats the update on those rotors///

@Legoguy1979 4 года назад

For my European vehicles I just go to fcpeuro. They have a lifetime warranty if everything they sell including fluids and brakes. Meaning when you buy a new part you send in your old one for a full refund, you just have to pay shipping to them. But anyways they import parts from Europe which are Normally made in europe. The rotors I get whether it's the Lr3 (Matilda) the volvos or $500 jetta I get Zimmerman wjich are made in Germany while for pads I'll get Ferodo, pagid, or EBC. Ferodo are Czech Rep. Pagid and EBC are English made.

@LordBoyd 4 года назад

They look pretty cool but I do a lot of off-roading in my Silverado so I wouldn't get that style rotor but I think I had a haircut like that in the early 90s

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

HAHA... Right? Yea, I do not think these would be great for off-road applications

@stephencooper5040 2 года назад

Are they still on there?

@charredskeleton 4 года назад

The rotors are relived. Most people can't wrap thier minds around that, so they say "cooling grooves". For what they're worth the reliefs will work wether they're filled with brake dust or not. Ceramic pads only. Nakamoto ceramic pads and rotors from ebay work fine on a chevy(my xj is long gone:( . All your problems and those pads =you're hanging up. Silicone paste on the glides, glide pins, and mating surfaces between the pads and the clips. Carfully inspect your glide pins and the bores they ride in. Any rust replace the part. Change your brake fluid, it should be clear not amber, not brown, NOT black. Wring out the calipers(c clamp, crack bleeders) every time you change the oil, top off the fluid. If you still have problems after all this replace the calipers. Well maintained brakes save money by the fist full!

@357bullfrog2 4 года назад

What does a warped rotor feel like ? Is it a pulse in the pedal ? Like it's fighting back at you ?

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Yea, you will get a violent pulse in the pedal or something you can feel it in the steering wheel

@Ftwentytwopilot Год назад

How did these hold up?

@212x3 2 года назад

I couldn't find the followup vid to this. So... are they crap or the real deal?

@punk86 Год назад

I take it that they are still going strong?

@yankeydoodoodoo 2 года назад

I'm going to but Brembo for mine!

@KD0LRG 4 года назад

I had a Grand Am that would eat a set about every 4 thousand miles or if I had to get on them when on the interstate. Last GM I bought.

@lastmanstanding6081 4 года назад

Is that brake fluid sprayed everywhere?

@Taino5.0 2 года назад

Any problems on these?

@smallblockfuelie 4 года назад

“Pretty mint if you squint “. 😂😂

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Far from good, but pretty good from afar..

@smallblockfuelie 4 года назад

D&E In The Garage it’s adequate for the project. The same folks mad about the RAM BOXES on your Avalanche May take issues with quality, not the average common Joe with a toolbox.

@matthewjohnson3090 4 года назад

I run them. On mine s10 no problems. With sivers

@user-jy8dn8td6g 3 года назад

So do they work

@ohsee1346 4 года назад

What is the name of the main plate on the front of the bellhousing? I bent it taking my engine out, should I bend it back and reuse it, or get a new one? Off topic but I figured I'd ask because you are so knowledgable on XJs.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

It sounds like you are referring to the flex plate. I would not recommend trying to bend it back. Maybe try to find a cheap on in a junk yard

@ohsee1346 4 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage I don't think it's the flex plate: It is just a flat plate that holds the starter on...

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

@@ohsee1346 Oh, that is just a cover. You should be fine bending that back as long as it wasnt totally mangled

@ohsee1346 4 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage Thanks!

@sts.556 3 года назад

slide pins in the caliper bracket needs cleaned and greased also

@vaughndibble4598 4 года назад

I find that they work best with ceramic brake pads i run them on a liberty

@limodxb9177 3 года назад

I have seen some good rotors at geobrakes.com not sure what kind of you want but they have got some good selection of heavy duty drilled and slotted ones

@enricopolazzo33 4 года назад

Raybestos are good rotors for the price.

@alexhise968 3 года назад

Usually its not a issue of a warping. Most of the time it a poor bedding procedure and or installation run out. I race so brakes are a consumable for me and we have never warped a rotor and rotor get hot enough to glow.

@markdixon392 4 года назад

I had experienced an overheating brake subsystem on one corner of my Avalanche. I thought I solved the problem by changing the caliper (one of 2 pistons did not move freely). However, it was the rubber brake line that failed by swelling on the inside. It did not let the caliper relax when I left the foot off the brake. That was the root cause of the issue, and the hose looked fine from the outside. Perhaps the rubber lines may need inspection on your vehicle. I am not disappointed as the original caliper/hose lasted 270,000 miles and 18 years... half of them in Michigan. Finally, where the fu€# is your torque wrench? As one who has been through product development in the auto industry, fastener torque is pretty important especially on safety systems. Dont mean to be like a dad, but just want you to be safe... (fail, I guess that's what a dad would say too).

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Interesting. thanks for sharing!

@SerenoOunce 11 месяцев назад

*NEVER* use anti-seize on caliper bolts. *MUST* use thread locker. Seen those back out too many times when the silver paste was applied.

@daveroski 6 месяцев назад

if you live in rust belt its fine......I have done it for 25 years and never an issues.....

@tadavis12 4 года назад

Got you guys a donation for the polar plunge. Good luck with that! And as far as brakes go, I’ve always found that buying good (expensive) rotors and calipers, and mid range pads helps keep the warping away. In my unlicensed professional opinion, pads are cheaper and easier to replace than everything else.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Hey man. That was mighty nice of you. We certainly appreciate it!

@tadavis12 4 года назад

I know it’s not much but it’s at least something for the cause

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

@@tadavis12 nah man. Thought that counts. Every bit help and we REALLY appreciate it. This is our once time of year to try to do something good, you know? Your help means the world

@NoWr2Run 4 года назад

I had the same problem with the 97 Grand. I finally went with NAPA Premium Rotors ( WHAT EVER THAT MEANS ) but the biggest thing was using organic brake pads & " I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO TIGHTENS MY LUG NUTS " NO GORILLA'S WITH AN AIR IMPACT GUN. THAT WILL DEFENITELY WARP YOUR ROTORS, USE A TORQUE WRENCH.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

I am right there... I may be a monkey with a toolbox, but i am no gorilla! Never send those lugs home with an impact

@jaysmith5084 4 года назад

Better parts equal less work in the future 😉 I think WJ's all eat brakes but a good brake rotor and ceramic brake pads seem to help make them last longer . I recommend using a brake lubricant or something like that stays pliable not like that tin man paste 😂 The silver pads don't come with new hardware and you should go up in pad quality and get the new hardware and lube the slider pins every 10,000 miles if needed do to the rust belts we live in .

@edwardjenner1381 4 года назад

Darn. I thought you were going to show us a cool trick with the lug nuts.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Nope, just amateur hour

@DaveOfAllMasterOfNone 4 года назад

Just a litttle PSA for ya. There is a safety recall on Harbor Freight jack stands. Spread the word.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Thanks bud. I appreciate it

@azmrblack 10 месяцев назад

If those don't help, you might want to look at upgrading to a BBK (Big Brake Kit)

@CVPI03 4 года назад

how the rotors holding up?

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

so far, so good

@lifewithlesliecanada 2 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage no video review after these put on long term. I don’t think I saw it.

@jackle842000 3 года назад

How they hold up since it's been a while?

@DEInTheGarage 3 года назад

I have about 10k miles on them and a fair bit of heavy towing and they are holding up great

@jackle842000 3 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage thanks for the update. Nice to know. I know I've seemed to have no problems with Rebestos best pro grade stuff. I've used their ball joints and other front end parts many times and feel like they're very good quality so far plus what I really like is when they offer them with the poly boots that don't rot as fast as rubber like the ones from the only other company I'll buy front end parts which is the one that almost every garage uses and swears by. But for me I go for the good joint plus the poly boot if possible.

@angelwalker. 9 месяцев назад

What was the result?

@DEInTheGarage 9 месяцев назад

The rotors wore out before they warped. I got a solid 40k on them before swapping them out. Would recommend

@andreim5973 9 дней назад

I will give those a try. I bought $240 CRAPA (NAPA) Ultra Premium rotors that warped in 6 month! $240 PER ROTOR! CRAPA did give me new ones under warranty but once they warp again there is no more exchange. The Ultra Premium used be very solid rotors lasting for a decade with occasional machining. Not anymore! Now they are pure junk!

@kurtnulf3362 3 года назад

ever try a company called bake performance their made in America I have a set on my 2011 wrangler and after 11k there great with a set of EBC green pads they will stop you on a dime

@1stzjtruck706 4 года назад

The pockets of the rotors are there to pull air into the space between the rotors and pads to help pull heat off the pads

@gtzgreatride 3 года назад

It's been a year.... Did they serve you well?

@DEInTheGarage 3 года назад

Still going strong after two summers of towing the boat and utility trailer. I think I have about 30k on them almost. Very much worth it

@gtzgreatride 3 года назад

I guess the grooves do help. Funny, this video popped up a day after I bought similar ones on Rock Auto, the element3 with element3 pads.

@Erik2582 4 года назад

Can we get a "broke 🐒 with tool box" window sticker I would buy one for all 3 of my hoopties

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Yea bud. We will throw that in the mix for sure! Stay tuned

@mercanyinriechert6732 3 года назад

You need to really put some heat into the rotors just after installation to set them.

@mercanyinriechert6732 3 года назад

The grooves are not meant to dissipate heat. They are meant to keep the pad clean by giving a place for the wearing material to go. This allows the pads to wear more evenly. You also need to match brake pads to brake rotors. If you get a cheap rotor which is most likely softer material and an expensive pad. The pad will chew up the rotor. For example, buying a pair of cheapest Duralast rotors and then putting EBC yellow pads on them. You'll chew those rotors up in like 20k miles. I've got a matching pair of Raybestos rotors and pads and they have been on my vehicle for over 100,000 miles.

@gristlevonraben 4 года назад

What causes rotor warping is over torquing lug nuts. Most tire shops have their torque wrenches set at 80lb or above, but buick and later, others found 40lbs torque was safe and kept the rotors from warping.

@bman409 2 года назад

Where did you find this information at?

@gristlevonraben 2 года назад

@@bman409 Jeep cherokee forum. During 2000=2010, rotors began warping in jeeps, I looked up why my jeep's rotors kept shaking/vibrating, found the answer in a jeep forum. fixed my problem. My grandmother in law had a buick, who had replaced her rotors twice, and was about to go back to do it again, I told her about mine, she told her mechanic, and two days later, she told me it worked for her. I was surprised because I've never had a lady be able to understand car stuff and relay the info so well, nor a mechanic that was not a jeep guy, ever listen to someone who was not a mechanic, though I worked on and still do, jeeps. rotors are thin, some are just crappy.

@mrkultra1655 4 месяца назад

👍🏻

@snowmeowoutdoors802 4 года назад

Raybestos rotors are very good quality. On the engineering side drilled and slotted rotors don't perform as well as people think. You want slotted OR drilled, not both. Slots and drills together weaken the integrity of the rotor too much. I've seen D&S rotors crack under normal usage. Slotted rotors are better in my opinion.

@correya.lettsome4702 2 года назад

You are right about that. Most forms of motorsports use solid slotted rotors because they are deemed the best. Porsche and AMG basically put Cross drilled rotors on their cars for aesthetics since it looks sportier. I just save my money and purchase solid rotors but depending on the purpose of my vehicle I go for slotted only.

@zilliver 4 года назад

Clean the bracket under the hardware, rust will pinch the hardware, this will stuck your pads and you heat your rotors.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Good call bud. Gotta hit that area with a wire brush for sure

@stefanpuffer 6 месяцев назад

You put the wrong grease on your guide pins. Use silicon grease aka dielectric grease. The caliper mounting bolts are one time use and new ones need to be torqued.

@danhambrick6331 4 года назад

Don't think you can go wrong with anything fro Raybestos..

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Right? These look weird, but that was my thought as well

@travismcvey 4 года назад

Just an FYI 90% of the time "warped rotors" are not actually warped. What happens is the rotor get hot which pulls material off the pads (same thing happens when you "bed in" new pads). Then when you stop the pad sets in one spot on the rotor, and that material sticks to the rotor creating a high spot of material on the rotor. That high spot then pulsates the brake system, and makes it feel warped. The best way to combat "warped rotors" is to do something to keep the pads from setting in one spot after a hard stop. The best option is to try to not set stopped, but if that's not an option putting the vehicle in park, and taking your foot off the break is better than nothing.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Very interesting. Thank you!

@lonniebeal6032 Год назад

True, some shops refer to them as hot spots. Bigger pads and rotors solved hot spots for me on 2 cars.

@kevinjohn6807 Год назад

Listen bro I been a mechanic for 20 years and my best advice is for you to head down to autozone and buy the Duralast elite copper free pads it will save that rotor them advanced pads are heavy metallic based after a while even tho they may seem to ware even it turned into a solid glob of metal and fucks up the rotor thank me later plus it’s life time warrantee so you will never pay for pads again

@eric49a 4 года назад

You really need to clean off all the rust build up off your hub before installing a new rotor. It causes some lateral run out and the pad transfers unevenly onto the rotor because the highest part of the lateral runout touches the pads every time in comes around. Then eventually as the pad material keeps transferring unevenly then it turns into a brake pedal vibration. Give that a try when these start shaking 😜

@eric49a 4 года назад

Also unevenly torquing your wheel bolts can cause it as well

@bradymyerion4141 4 года назад

Awesome comment about them brake squealers man lmao. Nothing but a scam

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

It really is... nice try!

@fishboy3179 10 месяцев назад

napa adaptive one rotors look the same

@lonwillis783 4 года назад

Or your brakes are dragging. I had this problem before.

@DEInTheGarage 4 года назад

Good call. I lubed my slides and guides pretty well, so hoping that is not an issue

@Legoguy1979 4 года назад

@@DEInTheGarage did you check the piston for rust? My 03 hemi with same calipers had rust built up on the piston, even the land rover did.

@wesley00042 4 года назад

Yeah, I wondered the same thing. When you held up the used pads, the one on the left looked thinner than the one on the right.

@dadumdadum5350 Год назад

I bet your rotors aren’t warped, I bet your brake pads aren’t bedded properly. If you don’t have an even distribution of pad material on your rotors you’ll get a pulsation that most people think is warped rotors but rarely is. Pull your rotors off and sand or sandblast the pad contact area and throw them back on and go through a proper bedding procedure (google it) and your brakes will be smooth as butter.

@dadumdadum5350 Год назад

Oops. Just noticed this video is 3 years old… anyway, I hope this info helps someone out.