Noam Chomsky and Susan Neiman: Black Lives Matter, Universalism and Hopes for the Left 

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Western universalism comes from Judeo-Christian religion. Without it, or conversion to Islam, the universalism will turn it narrow parochialism of Hindus or Chinese or Japanese. Chomsky will never accept it as he is an atheist.

I disagree with his grooming habits during the pandemic.

Even with what he says regarding the Wuhan institute, which we now know (although many of us like jon Stewart knew it right away) is a likely origin point for the pandemic?

@@formulaic78 the word 'now' is the key here

Some of us are listening. Not enough though...

Marxists are THE WORST racists of all....or, Maoists are....LeBron James can't go into McDonald's in China BECAUSE HE'S BLACK...but, America is racist?.....you idiot Marxists are brain dead.

I wonder why that is as well . Could it be manipulated?

Ya right, he’s only been on national tv once to the best of my knowledge.

Because the masses don't want to know the truth- they avoid it at all cost. Do you know why? I'm counting on you....

Queen Marilyn I’d like to see him moderate the presidential debates.

michael paladino What’s your point?

You mean the wisdom that we should vote for a Pedophile with Dementia? Mmm... Ok. If he says so...

Anatoly Kasparov Omitting the fact that his motive is not to vote for but to vote against. Policy wise, Trump is inferior to Biden on the basis of science alone, which is an essential for survival. Fact! However, electoral politics alone are lacking in actual change but it’s a start and it won’t start with Trump; possibly with Biden, but never with Trump. Trump has his foot on the pedal intensely on accelerating human extinction while Biden would lift his foot off the pedal, and that would give breathing room for organized movements to capitalize on.

@@VictorGarcia-xq5qu You sound like a brainwashed robot. You want Biden, because you want to live from tax payer's money with "mama" Washington taken care of filling in your pockets with socialist BS. Guess what. Your beloved Biden works for the Big Corpo! So, if Biden get's into power, that will never happen, because he is no socialism lover. And if you don't know that. You are blind or ignorant.

Anatoly Kasparov implying that corporations were not living off the public subsidies in the last 40 years. In addition, implying that tax subsidies or the “nanny state” is socialism. Judging from the fact that you made mention of Chomsky as a Bolshevik somewhere in the comment section when there is ample evidence he is against that strain of political ideology but I digress for you are not earnest in making honest but fabricated claims you have no evidence for. Political etymology and semantics of socialism is a prerequisite for continuing such discussion in order to not make things confusing for you as they already are, unfortunately. As for Biden, judging from your comments once again, it makes it seem as though you barely came to the realization of Biden being a corporate shill in the capitalist gang bang circle jerk of the elite, and you share this information in hope that people who already know don’t want to vote for him because of what reason you do not provide that isn’t voting for third party or some petty “protest” vote. The logic for not voting for Trump is pretty sound with ample evidence that Trump will reverse any effects the public demands in order to enrich his constituency. A practical approach is pressuring Biden, assuming he won the vote, to improve on his stance through organized movement in which it’s possible and it has happened before under Nixon, Reagan, etc. in which pushes leaders to the direction of public demand. But of course you already knew this before hand and you are not convinced of the ramifications on educated and organized movements towards implementing change so I ask what do you propose that is outside of electoral politics?

@@Tod_oMal cmon buddy,, I want to believe that you cannot be that ignorant, but will take your word for it if you insist.

Spence argues that what is said in church from the pulpit represents a neoliberalization of the black church....Lester Spence argues that African-Americans have bought into the wrong politics hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2015/winter/lester-spence-african-americans-neoliberalism/ Prosperity gospel frames the problem of poor people as a problem of those who do not improve their human capital, not as something wrong with the system in which they must live. multi-millionaire leaders of black megachurches compete for their congregants' tithes and spiritual consumerism. Such a practice not only creates vast economic disparities between ministers and congregants-Spence notes an AtlantaBlackstar.com news website article that named eight black preachers who make more than 200 times what their churchgoers do-but it shapes parishioners' political imagination. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vDJ0rmxhmVI.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vjYSH6sH7Bw.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pqJFtTsUEXI.html

that's just Chomsky's baseline volume. We are lucky he hasn't given up on us. Just get a speaker GK. It's worth it.

Aprende Ingles, vago. Asi nunca tendras chance a una green card.

hey non est sympathica. beuno escutar? un poco? Espana. More international feel. Clearly I need to hear more Spanish

If you mean academia, then yes. But the world? Unfortunately not.

He’s an atheist.

@@jahermos And a great human being

and of course the good ol' US of A

Substantial examples in America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Oceania. That's what he means by "all over the world".

How?

Uhh... Nancy Pelosi is a republican acting as a democrat. In fact waaay closer to Reagan’s ideology than Karl Marx or Stalin. But believe whatever you want.

Lucky Sport seriously what’s wrong with Marxism

@@zo7096 All that is true and I do support BLM but I don't support the exotic theories that underscore the movements. I don't think protesters outside of the academic arena would be that much aware of it. The basis on which these identity movements are based on are foundationless postmodern ideas, which, at it's core (unlike classical left-wing movements) perceive all world phenomena as a series of free-flowing narratives which reject the striving for truth and hope in universal solutions. It is particularistic and The reactionary extremes of this thinking are pretty regressive, particularly when you have a segments of it that outrightly oppose science as inherently imperialistic and part of a regime of truth. Such examples are at a university seminar in Africa in which the speaker argued to revive a mystical belief of a local village because science is just a belief (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9SiRNibD14.html) It completely alienates me from it & emboldens the right-wing authoritarians & fascists because it provides them with a nice big target. In fact, the reason people conceive the world in terms of hyper-subjective narratives is one of the reasons why fake news is so widespread. We have collectively accepted truth doesn't matter, nevermind the attempting to strive to hopefully establish a solution which is universally beneficial in broadening the scope of freedom.

@@zo7096 I do understand it and agree with everything you're saying. The only thing I disagree with is the postmodern turn that has been underlying most social movements for the past few decades among academics, something which Chomsky & others on the left have exposed by the way, not merely gullible followers of Jordan Peterson's reactionary spiel. Stop trying to turn my disagreements with postmodernism into somehow likening BLM to neonazi right wing racist group. It's insulting to even accuse of me of that. I support defunding the police and acknowledge that racial and other inequalities must be tackled in order to challenge capitalism but I'm still sceptical of whether it is challenging neoliberal capitalism. I'm sceptical of whether it is adequately tackling, challenging and dispelling the economic arguments that right-wing leaders like Trump use to justify scapegoating foreigners & others for example. That's one of the main reasons Trump retains his support base, as well as demonising the recent pulling down of statue, which while symbolically significant I think have not done anything to challenge neoliberal economic doctrine and have more or less been handed as a gift on a silver platter for Trump to attack as an opportunity to maintain power. Also you have Trump supporters painting over the Black Lives Matter street lettering in Washington because of their reactionary claim that police brutality is a "liberal narrative", it illustrates the unfortunate direction of viewing everything through the postmodern lens of extreme relativism and narrative spinning whereby facts are considered perspectival, thus anti-humanism prevails. You might be thinking, why should I care about these people? Yet it's important to know why they are thinking what they are thinking in order to attempt to counter the rhetoric that's been served to them. Chomsky has argued that one form of identity politics cannot seek to dominate other kinds which I agree. He says they have to be mutually supportive and be integrated into broader issues related to class, something that has been consciously suppressed and driven out of people's heads. I believe that has been pretty much missing in BLM, with the exception of defund police insofar as defund police means channel the money used for police surveillance and barbarity into public services for the community.

@@zo7096 I saw a white guy shot in the street by a police officer. The news cycle and statistical data doesn't often converge in la-la land.

Alonso wtf are you talking about? White people are killed and killed more often by the police.

Alonso “state run violence toward white and European Americans isn’t tolerated” this is false. More white Americans are killed by police than black Americans. For every instance you see of a person of color being killed by the police you can find an identical instance of the same thing happening to a white person ie.Tony Timpa, Daniel Schaefer. While Black Americans are killed disproportionally to whites there is a figure that doesn’t get looked at much which is that if you are poor you are 2.5 times more likely to have an encounter with the police. In my opinion this highlights the two real issues in regards to all of this. Police militarization and poverty both of which I see are issues of the larger community as a whole and become counter productive when they are over simplified to a matter of race.

Can you construct a sentence? Let alone have an original thought.....

@@peterantaki6747 So I guess you can not specify any of his accomplishments. Instead you go for distraction, asking irrelevant question, so much for cheap and primitive debate strategy. I will not respond to any of your comments to avoid lowering myself to this level of discussion.

Look it's the homie with the extra chromie.

I’m pretty sure Einstein would give his stamp of approval, or maybe Elon Musk was busy.

@@nellou5527Why don't you add Copernicus, Galileo, Newton to the list.I wish I had your skill to know what other people think, especially dead people. So much fun to see this type of logic posted here. Bring it on...more of this nonsense the funnier it gets.

@@johnmulligan455 really, Chomsky is propaganda? You should just stay on bed....forever...

@@johnmulligan455 I apologize for my rudeness, but stand behind the intention of my comment. Sorry John.

@@johnmulligan455 I have to admit, I am a but confused about the our exchange, but am glad to see that neither of us is trying to be right. I have to lay off RU-vid comments- it's just too hard to establish clarity and there are too many trolls. thank you and good luck.

@@johnmulligan455 yes sir. Thank you, and I am glad to discover I was wrong.

Well, you're the one who's cringing, so why don't you answer your own question, for all of us who are wondering, " just what, exactly, is he talking about"?

It’s not about discrediting it’s just reality. It’s nothing to don with any version of socialism, which is just a right wing slur word in the media.

the reparations have been paid by means of welfare, food stamps, housing and freedom.

Because this is America; not Nazi Germany.

Trump is closer to nazi Germany

Great post and not surprising that you didn’t get any replies because people here can’t answer. There is still not a single shred of evidence that racism had anything to do with George Floyd’s death. And yes, the stats completely debunk most of BLMs claims Honestly I think BLM has caused more problems than they have fixed. I’m sure there are cases of ‘systemic racism’ but activists have stretched out the definition to basically mean every disparity equals racism. It’s only completely muddied the water making it almost impossible to discuss

He's 91 and I'm half his age. He's got more hair than I do! Its always good to hear from Noam Chomsky. What a gift to civilization!

how dare you, you disrespectful fool. gross.

@@tyrone9661 yeah yeah yeah. I want my anarchy to come well groomed and nothing else. He not making the efforts.😁😁

@@vishalbanshal6857 Better having your hair undone than live in a nation where people shit on streets.

Stfu nub

If you live that long you’re gonna look the same damn way