Noam Chomsky: What is the best way forward in Iraq?

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@x86cowboy 13 лет назад

Ron Paul 2012 - He also says, "Just come home..."

@Krifko 13 лет назад

@MiranUT The point is not how much the CIA knows, but how much they know compared to a linguist (!) from MIT who lives a comfortable and sheltered upper-class live in academia. Concerning your point about foreign languages, Chomsky speaks exactly nil foreign languages. So what are his main sources? Indeed, he cites a reporter from the NYT. Impressive *cough*. Apparently he thinks that trumps the enormous CIA. Support from the US? Less than 5% of his arms in the Iran-Iraq War came from the US.

@yoh1010101 13 лет назад

@yoh1010101 As well raising the point about Wiemar Republic is completely different because in that case Germany was the aggressor -But that does not mean they lose there civil liberty rights such as voting. And the question about moral superiority is irrelevant because Chomsky was talking about democracy. As well the term 'right to' as Chomsky uses it to talk about iraqi's having a right to choose there own policies for reconstruction because they got invaded.

@fauyd 13 лет назад

Can Big Think start posting whole interviews along with the different short clips? Kind of like how The Young Turks have a complete show and then portions of the show broken down into single stories.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Ramsez What exactly do you disagree with? I didn’t hear him assert much of his own opinions as much as a description of what’s happened. He said: When they're the aggressor, the US rejects that aggressors have no rights & are responsible for the crime. Aggression's the supreme violation of int'l law. Iraqis aren't included in discussions about their future. (Neither are Afghans btw.) US public opinion isn't being considered when determining policy. Corporate power determines political change.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Ramsez - I'm not surprised. Did you have trouble following it?

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Krifko - Well, you obviously know very little about the scholar. Considering that he grew up in a home with two languages and proofread his father's books that were written in Hebrew, and his offspring speak Spanish and he frequently travels abroad and spends long periods of time in foreign countries, I figure he is at least bilingual, if not multi-lingual. Also, it was the US and Britain that supplied Hussein with chemical and biological weapons, which is what he used on his fellow Iraqis.

@yoh1010101 13 лет назад

@yoh1010101 I think that last quote is amusing because the logic is that as long as you don't illegally kill as many people as Hussein its perfectly alright to start an illegal war. Not to mention that the US supported Saddam Hussein providing him with military equipment, stopping rebels from using captured equipment against Hussein, supporting an initiating sanctions that Denis Halliday (UN Humanitarian Coordinator for Iraq) called genocidal that lead him to resigned like Hans von Sponeck after

@stevejones233 2 года назад

Peace is the best way forward in east

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Ramsez - If you can't tell by watching this video (was your attention span too short to get through it?), you won't understand anyone's answer to your question.

@Krifko 13 лет назад

@MiranUT English is my third language. If you wish we can proceed in either Dutch, German, French or, of course, English. I think we live in total different worlds. You don't care about facts and I do. You have made up your mind about politics and I remain open to argument. I would suggest your take your own 'advice' and try to live by it. The CIA is far from perfect, like any human organization, but it remains the best intelligence organization in the world.

@lamborger 11 лет назад

This comment makes no sense, even if Chomsky had said that Iran is not building a nuclear bomb (which he didn't, he was saying American public opinion is against any such weapons in the region no matter who has them), you would still be wrong and he would still be right. American Intelligence groups (The CIA included) as well as Israeli Intelligence groups and international groups (the IAEA) have all concluded that Iran has no nuclear weapons program since at least 2003.

@PetarStamenkovic 10 лет назад

Brilliant talk! Thank you for sharing. Sad to see it receive such underwhelming support.

@yoh1010101 13 лет назад

@yoh1010101 Continuing - its better to have people vote in a democratic process then have some governess agency try and guess what the population wants and not let them vote or pick. Democracy is a process where people collectively decide a system for themselves hopefully based on reasoning. But if you don't care about that process like "qtutoringhelps" then its find have an autocracy which goes against principles of liberty and freedom.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@qtutoringhelps - Yes, as a sovereign country, the people have the moral authority to chose their destiny, not their occupiers. It's the same in Afghanistan & Pakistan where the US (-led coalition) is fighting a insurgencies. Insurgencies are the beginning of state-making (not the propped up puppet govs the US supports). When the people of that country support the insurgents, the occupiers claiming to help do not hold the high moral ground. In fact, even occupation is immoral in just war theory.

@Krifko 13 лет назад

@MiranUT My goodness, the sweet irony. Chomsky has admitted himself to be only proficient in English (with a lacking Hebrew). Steiner has written extensively on this. So what if his children speak Spanish? Ever heard of language courses? Chomsky relies on the 'corporate press' more than anyone. To think that the CIA has less knowledge is laughable. You do know that they have thousands of informants and field offices all over the world? My advice is to grow up a little.

@Krifko 13 лет назад

@MiranUT It's laughable to think that some random Japanese student knows it better than the CIA. Please go ahead and take Chomsky's word as gospel. The fact is that citizens and reporters know very little of what is going on behind the scenes. Chomsky preaches from his ivory towers based on material that has been PUBLISHED and he dares to call anyone who disagrees 'uninformed'.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@qtutoringhelps - I don't accept it either. True, it's an ethical framework, but you are mistaken that it is altruistic. It is only an ethic that supposedly minimized violence, but s often used to justify it instead. Anyway, the fact is that's what the US gov claims to follow. That's the frameworks it's using and a way to talk about military actions (as they did -mostly - in the Nuremberg Trials.

@yoh1010101 13 лет назад

@yoh1010101 As well 'qtutoringhelps' is begging the question by saying "more often than not, public opinion is absolute stupidity". He has not showed why the particular opinions held by the public is 'stupid'. Its interesting because this persons comment also shows a contempt for the democracy process because if people are stupid why let them voting. Its better to having an autocracy via that reasoning.

@yoh1010101 13 лет назад

@yoh1010101 And moreover the sanctions created starvation and probably killed several 100000 to a million. As well weaken the population to as to indirectly not send him to the same fate as other dictatorships. As to weather he knows more about what he Iraq population thinks then the CIA is completely missing the point he is making. He was saying the we should not impose policies on a people rather we should allow a democratic process of what should happen in there country.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@qtutoringhelps - No, to your latter question (and remember that was not the reason the US invaded Iraq). If you want to know what Chomsky is talking about referring to "rights" read up on the moral framework of "just war theory" for a start. Just war is what both Bush & Obama have claimed to be following (because they want to use the military as opposed to a criminal justice approach). Of course, the US has grossly violated just war principles countless times in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

@Krifko 13 лет назад

@MiranUT Btw, I wonder where Japan would be right now without American occupation. I guess a thank-you note for leading your country into democracy is too much to ask. Iraq also comes from a fascistic regime, like Japan. My family has had personal experience with Japanese immorality in the Dutch East Indies (your concentration camps for the Dutch), but today we can work together because of American visionary leadership in the Pacific. But I guess you refuse to acknowledge that.

@HamzaDudgeonthelinguist 13 лет назад

Brilliant man

@l3lip 12 лет назад

@MonsieurEm I disagree that simply because one dissents with your views necessitates that he / she is espousing a simplistic, black-and-white, pigeon-holed contention that's so easily dismissible.

@Uhmu 13 лет назад

@ogrish84 he does it all by himself

@Krifko 13 лет назад

Yeah, I am sure Chomsky is better informed than the CIA. "Look, I read the NY Times and the Economist, now I am a public intellectual." This coming from someone who has granted moral support to the Khmer Rouge. 5:00 Following that logic, Saddam Hussein's brutal regime, which suppressed sectarian violence, was actually benign. Talking about numbers, Hussein's death toll is way higher than the coalition forces. That includes sectarian violence, which is not the coalition's responsibility.

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Krifko - Get a history book & read it! First, Japan has had a democracy since the mid-1800's. After industrialization, Japan copied Western imperialism (almost no different from what continues today under US imperialism). As an American living in Japan, yes, I reject American leadership and world domination. There is nothing "visionary" about it. Post WW2, most of the violence has been initiated by the CIA (the latest in Central Asia). The best intelligence agency in the world!? LOL!!!

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Ramsez - for what? selling drugs?

@aweiss 13 лет назад

8:40 I suppose the well noted research of the nuclear bomb trigger by Iran is part of the peaceful program?

@Uhmu 13 лет назад

this is why i don't like him

@MiranUT 13 лет назад

@Ramsez - Why waste your time watching if you already decided what to think beforehand. "What does a linguist know of politics?" He is not only a linguist who specializes in semantics but has been a political activist (even jailed) for 50 years. If that doesn't answer your question, noting will. Go back to watching Fox news.