When you meet the Kelpie, Mimir says "You don't see many of those in these parts" and "In my land, they'd keep children away from the Lochs by telling them a Kelpie would drown them." - implying both Mimir and the Kelpie came from Scotland, something you could already guess from Mimir's accent in the game too
There are a lot of references to Celtic mythology and the British Islands in the Nordic saga, which makes me think they could be the setting for the next game. It would make sense, since Atreus is looking for more giants, and the Jotnar of Norse mythology have a lot of similarities with the Fomorians of Celtic myths. Not to mention, both territories are pretty close to each other.
@@Kaloraan from Scotland not England, do not disrespect Scottish by calling them British or English or anything other than Scottish, we are a separate country and do not confuse that
Thor and Surtr were my favorite new characters. When Surtr asked Atreus "You ever been in love? It's great" and he throws that little smirk...loved it.
True. In fact, Thor had 2 goats that carried him (like in Thor LAT). According to mythology he could ate them and brought them back anytime he wanted to thanks to Mjölnir.
It's not an accident. It's the same with the bald eagle, they use the sound of a Red-tailed hawk because it's much more impressive (or at least someone thought so way back when they were doing television/movies with sound).
One thing to bear in mind about GoW:R is that Kratos' presence and actions upset the Ragnarok prophecies and disrupted/changed their fulfillments and outcomes. Near the end of the previous GoW game, Mimir pointed this out to Kratos: "you've _changed_ things."
Nah, see that's the worst part about the sloppy writing of the entire GoW series The only reason Kratos isn't a stain on the ground is because the ability to kill gods was also in Pandora's box and he gained that ability Problem is *that's only for the Greek gods*, by no stretch of the imagination should that carry over to other mythologies of any kind making his entire existence outside the Greek mythology pointless and only there for money grabbing because Sony needs a gravy train as they no longer have any actual first party IPs that anyone cares about
@@victorkreig6089 He didn't carry over any of his abilities from the Greek land to Norse. There is a sequence in the lake where Mimir asks Kratos about the magic he wielded in Greek lands and if he can do it again. to which Kratos replies that he hasnt been able to even if he tried. to which Freya remarks that those abilities got lost when the Greek pantheon got toppled Conversely he gains the ability to kill Gods because in the 2018 game, his axe gets Eitr imbued by Jormungandr which is how he is able to kill Gods. hope that clears it up
@@TheMas925also, Norse gods are not completely immortal, they age very slowly and are very durable, but unlike Greek gods there is nothing saying that they CANT be killed by mortals.
@@azraelsblade Not exactly. Jim Carrey's movie introduced the idea of Loki, but in the comic the mask is apparently of African origins and is made of jade, like Mayan's ruler Pakal.
Trivia: in GoW 4 (or 2018, seriously they should've given it it's own name) the world serpent spits out the axe back to Kratos when it first shows up, but what many people don't notice is the a textbox saying "Eitr Imbued" in the corner of the screen. Likely the serpent's venom got imbued into the axe, which would explain why Thor still had that Axe cut in his stomach the next we see him.
I've seen this fan theory thrown around a lot but it was shot down by devs as 'gameplay reasons only power up'. In mythology, Norse gods aren't immortal, they can die from any cause - natural or otherwise. Thor is still wounded as there's been no indication that Norse gods can heal at will, unlike the Greek (immortal) pantheon. Note: the plot kind of links to this with Odin wanting the same protection spell as Baldur to prevent wounding/death.
As a bird person myself those are clearly Ravens. Not only in color and shape but the main teller is the low Croaking call they have as aposed to a crows cawing sound.
Atreus is actually the grandson of Zeus on his fathers side, so that explains the shape shifting. (Loki could shape shift in the original myths, just cool writing incorporation)
Love how you picked apart the crow vs raven thing . Visibly they look like crows but the game does indeed confirm they’re ravens , as the game long mission describes them as Ravens , or Odins Eyes
@@isaacwalker5290it’s a raven. The game specifically states so. Huginn and Muninn are Odin’s ravens. All throughout this game and the last game they’re referred to as ravens. They may look similar to crows, but they are ravens canonically so there’s no reason to argue.
In the game Odin has his ravens. The crows are just other birds that he controls around the nine realms and at some point in the final fight he just starts throwing flocks of crows at you, but the birds that seem to have personalities and work along side oden in the game are ravens
Idk about the myths but the way norns function in the game seems to be in line with their names, what has happened to a person in the past shapes their choices in the present, which lets the norns know what should happen to them in their future so as they basically say in the game they dont decide fate, but through their knowledge of people they can read it pretty accurately
WIth the addition of Kratos as Loki's father meant that Faye, Loki's mother, defied Destiny by marrying Kratos instead of her destined partner, so they were wandering away from the destiny they were supposed to be on and Ragnarok begins earlier than expected.
Always thought Thor was using the momentum from the hammer to get so high not that he was flying. It would make sense given this is Ragnarok and all the aesir should have developed their skills and tactics to the fullest by the end times.
Couple notes: - Loki learns to control the shapeshifting. - The game doesn't really, truly differentiate between ravens and crows - neither do some old myths, to be fair - but what's depicted in the game is something I'd call NotRavens more than anything. They're raven-sized, crow shaped, crow sounding, but move like hawks. - Thor doesn't fly in the game, no more than Hulk typically does; you picked it up that they were going for powerful jumping. - A general note about the type of poetic license taken by the game: 'son' and 'daughter' are taken as, at different times, created, revived, cared for, et al. - Mimir and the Kelpie are both foreigners to The Nine in the canon of the game - it's heavily implied that the various pantheons have entirely separate bubbles, containing worlds and realms which can be travelled between but not in a typical method of land, sea, or air. - The fate speaking as others do isn't speaking 'the future' she's speaking 'the path one is on,' she's being used as a proof of possibility being accounted for, which seems in line with her more historical interpretations. I really hope they do get a linguist on the team going forward though, especially with the implications of the ending, the artefacts you find in game, and a few other sprinkled bits.
@@ratchetfuture2 Strictly speaking, I'd say 'no' but a simple answer might be yes. Similar to Odin's transporting, Thor seemed able to move through lightning and through controlling Mjolnir - I'd call it indirect flight at best, and assisted flight is in line with Norse 'canon' such as it is
@@akkibajaj705 He's pretty renowned in his field of expertise but he's not exactly known everywhere else, basically he's one of the guys that makes us understand old mythological stuff that would otherwise be just random symbols and logos
if I'm not mistaken when Freya cut off niddhogs head, she closed the gateway so that the gateway took the head with it, hence why she said lock whatever also, Loki/Atreas later in the game became able to control what he turned to (to some degree at least). The not controlling what he turned into was just his baby steps into what he would become
So disappointed he didn't go into the story and especially Ragnarokr as the event. Would be really interesting to hear his thoughts on how they handled that
I'm pretty sure it is "Åpenbar/Åpenbarelse" which means Reveal/Revalation in modern day Norwegian. The word for public in Norwegian would be "offentlig".
@@jarls5890 men på norsk kan du jo si "åpenbar" som betyr lik "open" med betydningen av "transparent" så kan den nok brukes "til å gjøre offentlig". Tror det ikke er galt å vurdere.
Yeah there are a couple pieces of lore which address some of the things he mentioned such as the norns defining someone's actions by their predicitibility and fafe and that garm hrothvindnr is garm and doesn't have a soul, hence atreus put fenrir's soul into him. (Fenrir being a seperate being with, originally, no significance)
When Atreus turned into a wolf, it reminded me of the story of Cú Chulainn. Celtic myth has been hinted at and maybe it's a nudge to it. Perhaps in an upcoming game. *edit: autocorrect changed Atreus to Asterius for some reason. 😑
Ey pretty thrifty editing when he said that mjolnir brings goats back to life and then cutting it with kratos being shocked back to life. You can put 2 and 2 together and basically get the metaphor.
6:49 if you see the scene frame by frame you will see that has his arm full stretch, that will be thor calling mjolnir while still is on his belt, lifting him up in the air
On the thing about Thor flying: he actually doesn't fly at all, but you can see that whenever he launches himself that Mjolnir starts to glow. That implies that he uses Mjolnir on his hip to propel himself upward.
wait, the use of 'opinbera' makes a lot of sense in this context. Freya is 'making public' the hidden location of her ability to be human in the other realms. it is literally making something invisible visible.
On the kelpie point and so on The Celtic "realm" or culture and norse culture have interacted with each other as well as are kinda entrenched in each, kinda also goes a little for slavic mythology. Norse, Celtic and Slavonic Mythology and culture have heavily borrowed and influenced from each other or are generally just similar in dynamic Similar to how greeks and romans did Or in a similar way to lots of Asian culture and beliefs for example india and china or China and Japan.
@@vergil8833 Yes, this is true but overall the mythology of the northern people (Norse, Celtic & Slavic/Baltic) is in general more similar to each other than the greek one is. It is of course due to the territorial connection throughout the centuries.
@@Stalker950-l3x Theres a source bias there since we have few sources about the northern european mythologies, so similarities are easier to assume. But for the greeks we have alot of the mythology avaliable to us, giving us more opportunities to find differences.
The game make it clear that nothing in the Norrin lair can be trusted to be real and much of it is illusion taken from Kratos, Freya and Mimir's memories. Mimir is heavily implied to be a Celtic fae who like Kratos jumped ship and went to the 9 realms. Mimir also specifically say the Kelpie was a creature from his homeland. I'm pretty sure the Kelpie wasn't real and the whole thing was just a way for the Norins to have a grand entrance. They clearly like messing with people
The walls of Asgard were, at least in this game series, built by Hrimthur Thamursson, a Jötunn. Given that the Jötnar have a close association with mountains, the devs probably figured he’d make the walls like those in his homeland.
It's funny seeing everyone in the comments get annoyed about the accuracy of a game series about a demigod who single handedly destroyed the entire Greek pantheon.
@@garyhall2770 most of the gods are alive. he didn't even kill all the olympians. Artemis, Apollo, Dionysus, Hestia, Demeter all surived let alone the hundreds of minor deities. it'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating that people keep using the 'killed an entire pantheon' thing in arguments.
@@TGPDrunknHick the whole "killing an entire pantheon" thing is mostly just an exaggeration, plus, Kratos killed the main Gods in Greek Mythology (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, etc.) and wrecked the entirety of Olympus, which probably caused the deaths of the others Greek Gods as well indirectly.
It was soooo cool when he said the hammer can bring goats back to life and then it shows Thor bringing Kratos back to life. Cuz he’s the goooooaaaat !!!
What Freya said kinda makes sense as a mistake of language. In swedish ”riva” could translate to scratch in some context but most common would be tear, as in tear something apart. Just happens they call these portals ”tears” so that would explain the confusion.
Mimir, in-game, is Celtic. Both Kratos and Freya had no Idea what the Kelpie was, until Mimir told them. He also says you don't really see them in these parts, meaning Midgard. Tells them kids are kept away from Lochs, back home, by stories of Kelpies drowning them. The part about Runes syntax, remember they are not for Linguists who might not be huge gamers... They are for gamers who might not know syntax of old Norse. Little easter eggs for them to translate. Huginn and Muninn make croaks when sitting, plus they are shaped like ravens compared to crows. Slight curved beak, curved wings, and wedged tails.
Hmm, where are the "uh no they are crows" guys at. Guess they can only argue with people who don't actually know anything and just repeating what the guy in the video said.
12.07: Opinbera kinda sounds like "åbenbare/åpenbare" in Danish/Norwegian (Bokmål), which means to make evident or to make smth appear, or like "åbenbaring/åpenbaring" which means revelation or epiphany.
One point for context with the "Laesa rifa"/Nidhogg part....that was a cutscene after the player (Kratos) defeated the Nidhogg... it was trying escape through a portal/rift between realms that Freya closed around its neck, severing its head in the process... so very loosely interpreted she "locked" the portal, severing (i.e. "ripping") its head from its body.
just a little note on the moment when odin turns to look at heimdall and misses him, he actually does this in order to manipulate atreus/loki, odin spends almost the entirety of the game manipulating characters and this moment is one of the first times he gets to properly convince loki of his personability and how he is really just an old man, even though he knew exactly where heimdall was which is why heimdall looked somewhat confused as to odin's behavior
It does raise the question of how an adaptation that's slavishly faithful to each and every known detail about the mythology would look like. Really fascinating stuff.
Thrud is not an active character in the mythology. The only story involving her by name is when she wants to marry a dwarf and her father, Thor isn't too happy about that nonsense, and keeps talking with the guy throughout the night, asking him questions upon questions, until the sun comes up and the dwarf turns to stone. Problem solved. There is no description of Thrud, and the way she looks in the game my bet is on some self-insert from the company that made the game. She does not come after Sif at all.
His first point about mjolnir, i've seen it once in the movie called vallhalla legend of thor, it was kinda a bad movie but it brings some knowledge to me.
What about when Thor attacked the Giant he was in a duel with from above after the giant was tricked to think Thor was tunneling underground and put his shield under him. The one were Thor smashed the Giant head but the Giant knocked door out with that rock he threw and landed on top of the Thor. That story at very least suggests Thor can jump extremely high if not fly.
Fun fact: mjolnir is actually a word that's still used today, though a derivative of it. In Russian (and some other Slavic tongues), молния (pronounced: mole-nee-ya) is the word for lightning.
Pretty sure that's a cognate, not a descendant. After all, at the time the name mjolnir was written down in reference to thor's hammer, they'd already stopped using that root to mean lightning in old norse
If he took a look at this linguistic stuff through icelandic, it would make more sense than trying to translate them directly from (fictional) old norse to english
Freya said the write words "lock" and "rift" but in many fantasy stories, casting spells doesn't always use the same linguistic rules as a normal conversation. Perhaps to cast a spell, you do need to speak a different conjugation of the verb.
@@RU-vidHandleEtc. Yes there is... A mythology is a collection fo myths. If Nidhoggr being a broodmother dragon is not a part of any myths then it is inaccurate to the collection of myths, the mythology. You can't just make things up about another cultures myths then say it's valid. It's okay for a game to be wrong but you don't have to call it right.
Obviously, Jackson will know this, but the old Norse word 'Norn', is used by Icelanders to mean 'Witch', which could explain why the Norns were given such a haggish appearance in the game.
So on the thing about Freaya saying Opinbera and Laesa Rifa, she's saying Opinbera to make Odin's hidden magic public, to get rid of his illusion and show what he did to the roots of the world tree, as for Laesa Rifa, it's to lock the rift shut, to get rid of the portal Nidhogg has opened up.
Really wish he gave it a look on Praey for the Gods also, But since IGN slammed the game due to a very bad reviewer don't think that will be happening any time soon.
A bit of linguistic context, in Danish feather suit "fjerdragt" It's just a way to describe a bird's feathers as a whole, in the stories in Norse mythology, it is the same, it is not literal storytelling.
Not sure about that one chief. There's literally a story where Loki borrows Freyas feather cloak in order to help look for Thors stolen hammer which wouldn't make much sense if the word in question didn't refer to an actual physical object. The meaning may have changed in modern danish but that doesn't mean that the old norse couldn't have been more literal.
@@darthplagueis13 Actually in the Danish version of Trymskviða it says "falkeham" which translates to "falcon hide/skin" directly and in Icelandic "fjaðrhams" = feather mode/form, there is no mention of apparel in any form. Like any religious text everything is left ambiguous, so you have a harder time asking questions and like many stories your imagination will take over and make it more interesting Plus my language is closer related and have a more accurate translation of the original texts than yours, plus english translations oftentimes have certain linguistic liberties to make a more coherent story.
Irish native and I'm fluent in Irish Gaelic people are comparing him to Cú Chulainn which isn't even his real name its Sétanta he adopted the name after killing the smiths hound on the battlefield he would be consumed by bloodlust grow in size and had abnormal godly strength he mortal weapons could not kill him he was cursed then killed with 3 magically spears
A lot of the objections this guy makes are explained if you play through the story and dialogue in GOWR. The “crows” are referred to as Ravens in by multiple characters (Atreus, Odin, etc.). The Kelpie is explained by Mimir, who is clearly Scottish/Celtic in this iteration judging by his accent. He states that the Kelpie is a creature from his lands and not native to these Norse parts (where they are). I’m surprised that the runes/letters/Norse speech is as incorrect as he claims! (Idk old Norse lol)
"Mjolnir's name is probably related to a lost word for lightning" wut? In swedish the name is mjölner, which basically means pulverizer (mjöl means flour and adding "ner" to the end us like adding "izer" or "inator" to the end of an english word)
Yes. But consider the Swedish word for cloud - "moln". Could it be related? According to entomology of "moln" - it has two menaings; "cloud" and to "grind". BOTH would be appropriate here - considering lightning strikes out from clouds. Also - the idea that it is Thors hammer that produces lightning has been ingrained in me since 70's childhood. My mother would say during a thunderstorm that "Thor was out swinging his hammer". I am Norwegian btw.
@@quentinmoore8305 granted he said mjolnir brings goats back to life when in the myth the two goats Thor repeatedly slaughters for food come back to life by sunrise all by themselves. Even well educated people can be wrong on their topics of expertise, especially when everyone assumes they're right 100% of the time so they're never corrected
