Robert Morris indicated he spent two years away from ministry after a teenager first accused him of molesting her. His own book raises questions about that claim.
A pride problem 🙄 There is a video of RM preaching a sermon where he admitted to seeking out “insecure girls.” That’s not a pride problem. That’s a predator.
It's the past! The Devil is the God of your past! It's all he has to work with! He's using the past to stop the move of God! RM was forgiven and set free, and God blessed him for 35 years, and now the return of the Lord is so close the devil is doing everything thing he can to destroy pastors! To destroy churches! And he's using you as well! He's manipulating your heart and your mind to finish the work of the devil! To bring the past back up! The one that was and is forgiven! Repent! Who God has set free is free indeed!
You can be forgiven, but you can never be trusted. He should have never been a church leader. The nepotism at Gateway will have to eradicated before any chance of resurrection. That means all his family should resign from leadership positions. Everyone who knew and did not speak is as guilty as he is and must resign. Absolutely sick.
If they didn't know they shouldn't be blamed. This desire to blame, punish & sue people based on emotion & not guilt & fact is very wrong. It's very strange that they told everyone except the police, & that should be explained as well.
The main issue, is that he said he an inappropriate relationship with a young lady but didn't mention she was underaged at the time. Its more on him, then the board members if its true.
@@darrendent8288 The board members had a duty to learn the more about the his offenses before even considering a “restoration” process. How can a restoration process even begin if more details of a specific offense are not known? It seems they blindly trusted what RM told them. Would you blindly trust a person who has confessed to you that they cheated and lied? Their lack of questioning and curiosity in that regard is negligent, at best.
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
Yes and something else here. I appreciated James Robison’s statement yesterday. However, Morris was rescued from the kind of job he probably should have had but was rescued to work in MINISTRY by James. I am sure it was not something preaching or counseling but James hires him without evidently even finding out all the truth about what he had done. Worse, nobody TOLD Robison? This just gets worse.
I think you don’t realize the manipulation used and power held that these church leaders can hold over members of the church. They can literally confuse parents.
@@MTknitter22 As you can see Robinson did not know what happened. God is merciful and forgiving and we all make mistakes but Robinson had no idea what was happening involving a child and hence I do not believe we can judge Robinson for that.
Yes, and I want to know, when they say he abused her from 12 to 16,did it only end at 16 because that is when she told her parents and so he wasn't allowed around her anymore? I doubt he quit abusing her because HE realized it was wrong. I also doubt Cindy was the only one....
LISTENING to what the lady said in her email and assuming that the lady was telling it like it is in her email...... Him responding with the line of "My attorney advises that if you are threatening me you could be criminally prosecuted" is just mind boggling.
@@JewandGreekRequesting repayment for monies spent due to his actions is hardly blackmail, $50,000.00 is not blackmail money, $5,000,000.00 maybe, at this point she deserves it!
So where is he hiding? Greece? ….Instead of facing the truth of what he hid for decades he runs away? And of course his followers are standing with him instead of encouraging him to face everything. The only person who needs support is his victim. Not him.
100% right. And those who stand up for him are deviant minded themselves. Otherwise how could a person have sympathies for anyone except the victim/survivor?
@@JewandGreek @JewandGreek What? Wow?? I can’t believe you wrote that. What would you do if that were someone close to you. Let it be if you can’t show compassion for the victim keep quiet.!!!
Morris is still manipulating her in his email response, by instilling guilt and fear. The way he plays on her emotions concerning her Father is disturbing. Really quite sickening.
I am curious. Do you listen to him regularly because he often mentions the immorality in his teenage years and early in his marriage and how God changed him. He didn't build Gateway Church, God did and He used Pastor Morris to do it. We are not to touch God's annointed.
He calls it a “moral failure” it’s not a moral failure it’s firstly a grievous sin, secondly and just as importantly… a crime! But his followers continue to defend this despot
1 Timothy 3:2 KJV Bible “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;”
@@chrisoneill3999Not true, her father brought this to those involved in the ministry at that time. She has contacted many churches since to let them know of his crime.
Can the people who knew still be tried for obstruction of justice? Is there a statute of limitations on that? The people who knew and covered this up need to serve jail time as well. And I’d like to sue James Robison, Robert Morris, Olen Griffing and Gateway to return the money I “tithed” at Gateway. It was a money stealing scam. Look at whose name is on the deeds of all of Gateway’s properties.
Tithe money does not go to God. It goes to church employees. You could support needy people directly, like on Just Knate channel. I understand supporting your church but leaders are cashing in!!! God will still bless you.
Agree with your logic, deception was at play. I visited this place in 2008, looking for a church, after about 2 months I decided it was not what I was looking for. Anything I gave, I gave willingly, but never again. My money will go directly to people who need help, I am responsible for that decision. When I see the great needs in our nation, I am sickened by these millionaire pastors and ministers, their earthly kingdoms are going to be burned up, turned to ashes. Awakening and repentance are long overdue!
I disagree. If he is speaking biblical truth leave them there. He should step down from his pulpit and ministry. But I'm sure his books helped millions of people. ARe you a sinner? Have you committed dreadful sins before? I don't know. Christ's know all men and women's' hearts.
@@tammycaskey6990 There's no reason for any of his books to be found anywhere, and nobody is ever going to read them again. Biblical truth also says to follow the laws of the land. Biblical truth also expects that children will be protected. We can assume the allegations against him are true. Especially since he admitted to it. God needs representatives who aren't an embarrassment to Him.
The reason so many people at Gateway claim lack of knowledge is because the SA took place at a different church long before Gateway was ever started. There are so many bad things that occurred here. An innocent child gets SA by a traveling minister. This went on for 4 1/2 years in the victims own home. The family trusted this man in their home and he never got caught by either family. Which demonstrates some grooming and predatory behavior. 1. The girl's father having heard the details was angry but did not involve the police. Why? 2. The church elders at Shady Grove (not Gateway) removed him from ministry for 2 years while he received counseling and went through a restoration process. 3. Shady Grove, 1 year after Morris' 2 year hiatus, allowed him to be put into an Eldership role. Just three years after RM was caught. 4. 11 years after that, Morris started Gateway. Who at Gateway was going to review his past sin? There would really be no way for the new leaders of Gateway to know the details of any of his past. They would have had limited access and knowledge over the more recent years of his ministry. 5. I am somewhat cynical to believe there was only 1 victim and that RM is truthful in claiming that for 35 years he has walked in purity. Prayerfully I hope that is true. However if that is true, then there is even more reason for Gateway and Elders who came into relationship with RM long after the SA that took place in the 80s. In many cases those elders were 15 years removed from that incident and would only know if someone would bring it to their attention. 6. In 2005 it appears the victim brought back up the allegations seeking financial assistance. At least one elder became aware. And unless that elder dug deep into Robert's past, most likely took RM at his word that this was a past "morale failure" that his wife and Shady Grove dealt with and now he was walking in purity. But the issue over age may of the victim may have never really been addressed. I would think any financial offering to the victim would have requested NDA. And while that sounds dark, the church would not want to keep addressing a situation with RM that occurred long before Gateway existed, and if the victim was seeking money in 2005, would she seek more? Again, RM should have been dealing with this, not Gateway. 7. Lesson should be learned to treat all accusations of SA serious. I understand the victim not acting on justice until later in life, but why did her family (father/mother) who were also ministers not go to authorities? Perhaps they hoped it was a single victim and they did not want to ruin RM marriage / family. But they also allowed for the lack of justice and allowance of other possible victims. it will be interesting in what capacity if any did Gateway elders really know. But Shady Grove certainly had some gaps in the way they handled the situation back in the 80s.
Thank you for your serious and thoughtful comment. As a member of a Baptist church in the '80s, I can imagine that such crimes were dealt with differently back then, if possible. In this case, apparently every effort was made to resolve the situation privately without involving the police or lawyers.
The Lord didn't orchestrate the situation with a child. Robert Morris is responsible for his actions. He still isn't taking responsibility for his actions! Get out of that church!
@@HeatherRose2023 He never will be because if his wife, kids all work there, HE will be involved. The young son is being installed as Senior Pastor so exactly what will change?
@@tammycaskey6990 Even if someone's repentance is genuine, it has nothing to do with attaining or keeping a job, or position . It just has to do with someone's salvation. It certainly doesn't mean people don't have to face the consequences of their actions, or that they won't be accountable for potential crimes they may have committed . (as I write this response Morris has not been charged with a crime in this matter, or had civil judgement against him in this situation) I go to church, I ask for forgiveness of sin , but that doesn't mean I'm suited to a position in a church or anywhere else for that matter. I don't have a right in terms of a constitutional assurance to hold a position of leadership or employment in a Ministry (or anywhere else) on that basis.
Moreover, Morris didn't come forward and voluntarily repent of his actions in this situation. He was exposed to church elders by Ms Clemishire's parents at the congregation they attended at that time. Clemishire maintains that although they forgave Robert Morris as a person; They never gave him their blessing to return to Ministry. Morris has not been chraged with a crime in this situation. Neither Morris or Gateway Church have had a civil judgement against them in Clemishire's situation as I write this response.
@@tammycaskey6990 Again, Gateway is claiming they didn't know that Clemishire was a child at the time when she said her abuse began. (and continued) They made that claim in their second statement accepting the resignation of Robert Morris . Assuming their statement is accurate (second statement of June 2024); it infers that Morris was not entirely forthcoming with them at some point. Any job application I can recall filling out, lists that kind of behaviour as potential grounds for dismissal. Assuming Gateway's claims are accurate, then questioning why he was allowed to resign as opposed to being fired is reasonable. Through an elder's statement , Gateway has apologized to Ms Clemishire for what she endured, and they are not offering any moral defence of Robert Morris at this point. The Church as an entity has not had a civil judgement issued against them in Clemishire's situation as I write this response.
@@iaingraham7586 You don't understand Grace, do you? He has stepped down and he repented. He is still saved, regardless. What are you talking about. I never said he was Jesus. Fool.
Another case of “men of God” abusing the doctrine of forgiveness to guilt and goad the victim into not reporting abuse to law enforcement in order to avoid accountability and legal justice. This has been happening for decades.
So, Robinson didn't know the details? How then, did Morrison repent and get reinstated in ministry. Poor management, poor theology, and he is culpable and complicit in the whole thing.
Cindy did not say the abuse started at age 12 when the original meeting took place. She was still under threat from Robert in 89. So the full extent of the abuse was not known until now when Cindy spoke out.
@@sierrawendell6759 Robison produced letters saying he was not at meetings between Morris and Clemishire's family. (Clemishire backs him up on that specific point) That said, the letters would simply prove that Robison wasn't at those those specific meetings. (if accurate) If the letters state that he wasn't present at specific meetings, that's all they can prove conclusively. Robison denies knowing that Cemishire was underage when the abuse began. He (Robison) says he first discovered that information in recent media reports along with the rest of the public. He does say he knew Morris had a prior moral failing. (his wording) If Morris worked for Robison in a Ministry capacity after stepping away from preaching due to a stated "moral failing" ; then why didn't Robison make it a point to find out what this "moral failure" entailed? (if Morris was working for his Ministry at the time in question) Robison is not accused of abuse himself in this matter. He is not facing any charges in this situation, and has not had a civil judgement against him in this situation.
An Affair??? He knew he abused a child and used deceiving statements like: Moral Failure instead of Molestation and Young Lady instead of 12 year old child. He did Not tell the whole truth! He knew exactly what he did and so did his wife!
There are degrees of Sins. Morris, even though he has been forgiven by God. He and his family needs to step down from any future 'church' duties and positions-all religious involvement. His church members were duped by him.
im confused just a little. per the email she disclosed, 19 years ago he offered for a second time to go public. and according what she provided, he offered to go public 18 years prior to the email, but said he was asked by her father not to.... the initial wrong was inexcusable, but the history of this seems... kinda odd or something.
Is the bill extending the statute of limitations also going to be retroactive? And will the extension be that there is no longer a statute of limitations?
Serious question: why is this lady's message sounds like a shakedown? I absolutely don't question the trauma she had endured. But all these years later she decided she wants, basically, money. Why wait this long?! Her parents, back then, have they contacted the law? Why now? In her message, she doesn't speak of justice for what she went through, as in she'll go to the law. It reads more like a blackmail. Again, I absolutely don't excuse what this man did to her. I just try to figure out her messages.
She has not said she wants money now. She is fighting for new laws and statutes of limitations to help any CHILD regardless of when the abuse happened. Can't speak to your other questions concerning her parents, although I would like to know as well. I did hear that she was "blamed" for being "flirtatious" so much so that Debbie Morris felt to tell the victim "I forgive you", totally RIDICULOUS!!
I hope the laws not only change to include elders, those under the pastor, but those above these pastors that know. Also include Catholics and all religions, like latter day saints.
Cindy... What do you want from Morris? Going to jail? Pay a ransom? Ask forgiveness? He lost everything because of his sin. What will satisfy you and take away your suffering?
Why can't he go to jail. There will be consequences. Very selfish act. That young lady is an overcomer by the blood of the lamb and the word of her testimony!! We all have to STAND before the lord
You who are without sin, cast the first stone. Instead of all the nasty comments, look at yourselves first. However i agree he should not have been allowed back into the ministry.
I’ve learned so much from this great man, (as it relates to his knowledge of the word and its impartation) but as the Bible says, Neiman was a great man, but he had leprosy. I had stopped listening to him, owing to the fact that he straddles the line of heretics and controversy. I believe he’s forgiven but like King David he’ll pay a price. May his victim find solace in the arms of Jesus.
@@lastdayschapel7427 a false teacher is one who consistently errs, he like many others embraces the Levitical legalistic law of tithing. A false teacher distorts the meaning of scripture, interprets consistently, the word of God heretically (without repentance) In your opinion, is he completely false? Please share your thoughts.
The Bible says satan is the accuser of the brethren. The enemy loves seeing believers throwing stones at other believers.. The Bible says, look for evidence of repentance. The Bible also says, if we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from All unrighteousness. The bible says, For all have sinned and fallen short of righteous requirement of God. Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us. Everything we need is found in Jesus Christ.
The statute of limitations should not apply to crimes like this. Although Robert Morris will no longer be a Pastor, I doubt he will do any jail time. Yes, through genuine repentance, Jesus said in his word, you are forgiven. Lesson learned : crimes like this should be immediately turned over to law enforcement. Are their more victims? Should the church as an institution, require yearly or quarterly reviews of each and every minister?
@@sandyjuntunen4088 Why did James Robison not know more about the details of the sin? He gave Robert Morris a job after the “moral failure” occurred, after all. Did JR just blindly trust the word of a confessed cheater? And why was JR not interested in the “young lady” being “restored”? Wake up and smell the coffee. This was a cover up from the start to avoid a scandal that would shut down their lucrative cash cow ministry. RM is a predator and JR et al. enabled him.
She was a child. These words are running low. What does it mean so it doesn’t happen again. It doesnt happen to antone being victimized? Or that it doesn’t happen that predators don't get busted? The peity of church males have gone on for too long. There's many, many, many, many more victims affected by males of the cloth. In history, past, present and unfortunately will be in the future until they make our laws for these predators appropriately served.
The pastor has made it very clear of his past transgressions and immortality. He has been forgiven!! Who are we to say he hasn’t? A 30 plus year ago egregious sin has been forgiven. Our world is being attacked by the devil and this is another attack. Robert Morris has raised a righteous, God fearing family. I personally feel, at this particular moment, that his accuser is seeking retribution because she did not receive money!! Shame on all of you that continue to persecute a forgive, righteous man!! Does anyone care to look at all of wonderful things this man has done? Satan is truly doing his happy dance, seeing so many good and honest pastors under persecution, and you’re all part of it! 😢
So then, read the breakthrough masterpiece novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Explains much. Explains the NLP pastors use to entrain, mesmerize and stage-hypnotize students, employees and congregants... without their conscious knowing. Very important for believers to understand where were the signs that were missed. Why? Because NLP leaders do what they do in public, in front of all. Learn what the techniques are. Enjoy the novel!
I think she wanted him to divorce Debbie & because with her, even at 12 yrs. Old she should have known better, also where were her parents & her older sister when this was supposedly going on, & how convenient for her to be wearing pink baby doll pajamas. We haven’t heard anything about her past, men are vulnerable & there’s always 2 sides to every story.
@@MTknitter22 I think that is a big mistake if they allow that! It will be business as usual in the next six months, if that happens! That would be a travesty of justice!
I love how all the comments, all the news reporters condemn (rightfully so) this. I would love to see all the skeletons in your closet. Don't be so quick to pass judgment. In my opinion, the "accuser" is gold digger.
She wants reimbursement for monies payed out for the damage done to her emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. A far larger amount should be paid her. This wolf-in-sheeps- clothing has become wealthy in the 24 years since.
She requested $50k to cover her past and ongoing counseling expenses. Nothing wrong with that. They countered her request with $25k but only if she signed an NDA. Big problem with that. RM’s net worth exceeds $100M. He can afford to give her the money she needs to pay for counseling. He should compensate her for the pain and suffering he has inflicted upon her, as well. The people making this about money is the offender and his enablers, not the victim.
Do you know what forgiveness is and what is required to receive it? Seems to me there has been no forgiveness granted by anyone, except the offenders to themselves.
@@HeatherRose2023 so you’re saying God doesn’t forgive and Jesus’s blood doesn’t take away sin? God forgives (doesn’t mean there’s no consequences for our sin in this life), but man doesn’t forgive, as does God. Read your Bible and pray that you might know the forgiveness of God.
@@lazzy2012 We should and do forgive one another: Ephesian 4:32; Luke 17:3-4; Matthew 6:14; Colossians 3:13; there is so much more to show. Of course men can forgive one another; But it's easier to point fingers and gossip and crucify them, even though it was a past incident. Morris is saved but he, still, needs to step down.
Do get your facts straight. As soon as this became known, he was removed. I don't remember ever seeing him in that group or hearing he was in it until now. Your gleeful statement shows your character.
He's worth $117 Million according to Google. He grifted his way into millions begging others to give to God so that you would be blessed. He thought he was god.
The apology by the church elders was absolutely disgusting. Propping up their church and how it will thrive through this situation. They should be ashamed. There was no real repentance. There was no real remorse or shame over what the pastor did and how they allowed to be in leadership and make millions in the name of Jesus.
The elders are not responsible for a pastors sins or anyone elses. We are only responsible to Christ for our sins. All any church can do is offer counseling and an apology for a situation that rocks the foundation of peoples faith May we all pray for everyone affected by this terrible situation May we all be reminded that we are to always look to Christ as our Shepherd for He is the Author and finisher of our faith
@@andeejager1753 The elders ARE responsible for not asking more questions when a pastor commits adultery. They accepted his word for it, and now look at the results. His wife knew about it and called Cindy, telling her she "forgave" her. Cindy was a child, NOT a young lady". Robert's sins did find him out. His son's should NOT become the next leaders at Gateway.
He lied to everyone. He kept saying a young lady, not a child. If his board knew it was a child, they should be accountable. If they didn’t, it’s not on them.
Are they going to include the Catholic Church in this bill? Who were the board members when the church started? Are they still the original members? Anyone who knew of this and didn't say anything is liable. How many people start with asking, "Have you acted inappropriately with a child?" "Have you committed adultery?" How many who act inappropriately boast about their sins?
Years ago, I walked away from the Catholic Church because of reports that there were priests sexually abusing the altar boys. They were protected by the church and not handed over to authorities. The news about Ps Morris hurts because I attend Gateway Church. Feelings of betrayal and confusion flooded in. The idea of someone in authority and leadership lying to you is a hard pill to swallow. Then I remember, I am not there to worship the pastor or any other person. I am there to have a relationship with God. I am sure he has lost contact with a great number of influencers who were invited to speak at the church. How does one reconcile with a secret such as this? Thank you for answering this question.
@@sierrawendell6759 Then it is very hard to believe he was not aware! Really sad! I heard most of the others are relatively new to Gateway. The guy that was on the hot seat apologizing in the pulpit Sunday has been an elder since 2014. Hope the Board has good insurance!!!
If the law in question was passed after this crime occurred ; then it may only remove the statute of limitations for crimes that occurred after the legislation was passed. (that's likely what a court would decide) if that's the argument that comes up on appeal, if Morris were charged in this situation. He has not been charged with a crime in this matter, as I write this response.
This was horrible. Sad that it ever happened. Let's remember that if was 35 years ago. He went with Debbie to meet with this family and asked for their forgiveness. Which the woman says they gave. Now she says they did not give their blessing for him to be in ministry. I am not sure that I have that authority or that anyone else does either. God calls preachers into ministry. Pastor Morris did not build Gateway Church, God did and He used Pastor Morris to do it. We need to be careful here as we are not to touch God's annointed.
He has yet to face his congregation. A statement as was released is not the honorable thing to do. The Elder put in that position this morning was not right.
@@ChangingTides777 exactly. Shocking to me that those in congregation think that’s ok for him to hide, release a statement and not even face the people he pastored. Pretty low standards for character and basic integrity expected of the leader. It is starting to tell us a lot about the Quality of Biblical teaching there. The poor Elder. He appeared as if the elders drew straws and this poor gentleman drew the short one. Then he goes out to read a statement more crafted by lawyers than the Word of God. I pray for the victim, Robert Morris and the church. I don’t think this is over at all.
One thing I am very passionate about Robert Morris. In 2005 rather trying to get her to sign a NDA he should have signed an agreement to stay 100% out of her life, to avoid all contact with her! He should totally 100% leave her alone and agree to have absolutely nothing to do with her! And then offer $200,000 rather than $50,000 which she wanted!(See Luke 19:1-10).
And this, that the Lord orchestrated things so that he could step out of ministry??? NO. He should have got out and stayed out whatever the circumstances. It's clear that he still had a price problem if he thought he was so important that he couldn't get out unless God arranged it so. Scripture is clear. He was no longer qualified to pastor from that point on.
