Northern Trains - How they LOST their franchise | Failed Franchises #2 - Arriva Rail North

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Hello & welcome to the second episode of Failed Franchises. In this series I'll look at train companies that have failed at their franchise agreements. Today I look at the history of Arriva Rail north and how they lost their franchise back in early 2020!
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@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Hi all - hope you enjoyed the video! Do check out the full "failed franchises" playlist & my other documentary-style videos! I recorded most of the footage used in this video, and recorded it just a few weeks ago, hence why the logos aren't Arriva Rail North's and are Northern Trains' instead! I do apologise for this but it saved getting loads of footage from other people :D Some of you may have noticed I pronounced a place name slightly incorrect - whether this was purposeful or not, we'll never know ;)

@andrewnelson4057 7 месяцев назад

In both this, and the previous Transpennine video, I can't see how it can be considered the operator's fault that they lost their franchise(s). I know for certain that Northern told the regulator that the new 2018 timetable was impossible, and yet were told to get on with it. This same regulator then stripped what could be literally described as the whistle blower of the franchise, that they had correctly said was impossible to implement....

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Yes I mean that was the whole premise of the video. To see was it really Northern's fault (I think not). The term 'failed franchise' is more for branding etc.

@wewillrockyou1986 7 месяцев назад

Agree, this is also why I find it hilarious when people suggest a fully nationalised system would perform any better. It'll be the same incompetent regulator, just now they'll be running the services directly.

@Sam-mv6rp 7 месяцев назад

The role of a guard on trains is very important as they check tickets and help people with disabilities and other such roles.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Agree here

@andrewnelson4057 7 месяцев назад

When they can be bothered.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

@@andrewnelson4057 Some guards are a bit hostile towards disabled passengers I have noticed

@Bungle-UK 7 месяцев назад

And that would still have been provided….every train would have had a staff member who did everything except the doors.

@uk-martin4905 7 месяцев назад

Guards are paticularly important in event of emergencies - accidents, train evacuations etc. If a driver was injured there needs to be someone in control of the situation and , in particular, with responsibility for the safety of passengers. All companies claim that safety is their primary concern.....yes it is, until they have to spend any money. At that point we realise how worthless their concerns really are.

@CPTrains 7 месяцев назад

Wow it is nearly 6 years since the May 2018 Timetable change. The castlefield corridor is really not fit for purpose, and Arriva couldn’t do anything about it. In 2019/2020 time I was waiting for a civity at platform 13 at Piccadilly, that failed there. Absolutely destroyed the castlefield corridor. Also to note the new Northern franchise hasn’t been perfect - there was a large spell in 2022ish time when lots of services a day were being P-Coded.

@chriswade7470 7 месяцев назад

The Castlefield Corridor is now being used for a purpose which it was never meant to cope with. Without extra track (quadrupling) and 2 extra platform faces at Piccadilly Station, it will never be reliable route. I’ve always considered Platforms 13 & 14 at Manchester Piccadilly to be dangerous as they are quite narrow and with the number of services scheduled to use them, they become overcrowded very easily.

@kyle07871323519 7 месяцев назад

The timetable change was terrible. But without it I wouldn’t have found my career that I love. I was working in a call centre and was constantly being late so I learned to drive because of the timetable change And now I’m a HGV driver

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Haha wow! That's very funny, and a slice of luck that the service was so bad! Hope you're enjoying your job now

@metro_ken 7 месяцев назад

since northern was nationalised they’ve gone better and they’ve gone worse again, i commute on the airport to blackpool services and there’s always short formations on the busiest service of the day but the empty ones are the usual formation

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I noticed that when I went last weekend. The 'peak' saturday services were 3 car then the less busy ones were 6.

@metro_ken 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo they do that through the week as well. it happened the entire month of january

@davidty2006 5 месяцев назад

Yep thats northern, they done that since way before collapsing.

@williamcadman6333 3 месяца назад

I commute on the Sheffield to Leeds via Wakefield Westgate service that’s a really bad one for overcrowding. When northern had enough rolling stock it would always be 4 carriages (2 pacer/2 sprinter.) nowadays the morning commuter services are supposed to be three carriages which are quite busy although they often get short formed as2. Always really old early generation sprinters, with no air con and are disgusting falling apart trains, rammed with people. Usually the conductor has to open up the back driver compartment to squeeze half a dozen more people in.as there’s no air con the amount of people that get rammed in makes them verry uncomfortable even in winter

@mason28uk 7 месяцев назад

Can arriva cross country now be stripped please they are shocking!!

@godlydestroyer8658 7 месяцев назад

The 195&331 are the worst new trains in the last 15 years, but still a huge improvement on the atrocious junk they replaced

@poopoodealer8975 7 месяцев назад

Dear @godlydestroyer8658 when i read "195" i misread it as my favourite number one SIX five, i was in the middle of writing a HEATED comment regarding your blaphemy, until it dawned upon me that you stated one NIVE five rather than one SIX five. y yours sincerely - poopoodealer.

@katashworth41 7 месяцев назад

I thought Clit-Hero was the best mispronunciation of Clitheroe.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

😉😉 who said it was mispronounced

@DavidPeacock1972 7 месяцев назад

Garforth where the staion looks prettier than the town itself 😂 Oh Damn, Clitero 😂

@sglenny001 7 месяцев назад

Haha yea

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

😉

@y0rkshire_trains 7 месяцев назад

I can confirm that the station no longer looks pretty at all😂

@Cross_Trainspotting 7 месяцев назад

I think you should do First Capital Connect for another episode of failed franchises

@nevango0690 7 месяцев назад

Jesus, they're keeping them coming for you! You'll have to do the southeastern franchise next

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I've had lots of people wanting SE - I'll see what I can do!

@TheElDoctoro24 Месяц назад

Really don’t understand why private companies need to be subsidised, where does the money actually go because I really don’t see it in either infrastructure or rolling stock compared to abroad

@BenRattigan 7 месяцев назад

Durham coastline is awful, overcrowding and promised new rolling stock never appearing. The whole brand needs dropping and new rolling stock is still desperately needed.

@lonun67 7 месяцев назад

Can you make a 'failed franchise' video on the Intercity East Coast franchise?

@grangetowncardiff6935 4 месяца назад

This is an excellent vid, and sound commentary is perfect! (I was rude about an earlier one of yours, sorry, probably been to the pub) Hic!

@Vanmanyo 4 месяца назад

Haha thank you! To be honest any criticism can be good criticism and it all helps me to make better videos 😆 I'll accept your apology though - although I genuinely have no clue what you said prior 😅 thank you though!!

@michaeljohndennis2231 7 месяцев назад

TfW and Avanti have not fared much better on SailRail services to Holyhead either

@aidengillag 7 месяцев назад

CliTheroe made me chuckle...

@andrewholland1390 7 месяцев назад

Aye me too, clearly unaware it's not pronounced "clit-her-o" but more like "clith-her-o"

@DKS225 7 месяцев назад

Having said all that The CAF units have been plagued with controversy. Due to safety concerns with cracks found in the bogies among other quality issues giving CAF the rather dubious nickname of "Cheap As F**k". This is also the case with CAF-Built Urbos 3 Trams built for Sydney's Light Rail lines to Dulwich Hill, Randwick and Junior's Kingsford sadly due mostly to poor build quality.

@LemoncloudGT 7 месяцев назад

and we still waiting for 15 and 16 at manchester piccadilly

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

And we will be for quite a while I fear

@DeveroonieWasTaken 7 месяцев назад

can you please do govia southeast ern? also are you going to make a discord server?

@justmeajah 7 месяцев назад

Tell me more on that current govt anti-rail stance!!!

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I could - but this video exists! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i9lIpeXm-X8.html

@justmeajah 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo will watch this! I mean, I know the whole HS2 fiasco but I didn't translate that one into anti-rail stance tho hahaha🙌😅

@EuroDC1990 7 месяцев назад

It's bizarre that Arriva Trains Northern back in the day were absolutely abysmal and kept their franchise, and Arriva has absolutely destroyed Cross Country and done nothing whatsoever to improve it over the years but has kept that and has numerous extensions. Meanwhile Northern was stripped from Arriva for chaos resulting from government inaction and incompetence when it came to upgrading the railway. Absolutely bonkers. I'm all in favour of the railways being publicly run but either let them be private but regulated so that companies have freedom to do whatever within reason to modernise and improve or have them fully in public ownership and operated as the public service they are. The logic of the government having full control but some third parties running then makes no sense.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I agree with you here! It's in limbo and it shouldn't be!

@mrvwbug4423 7 месяцев назад

So have the Northern 331s been as problematic as the diesel powered Civity variants? I know on TfW absolutely nobody likes the 197s, they ride like crap, are very noisy and the toilets are broken half the time. The 30+ year old 158s manage to be both nicer to ride on and more reliable. I just got back from a trip to the UK and my one ride on a TfW 197 definitely had me agreeing with that sentiment, we had to change trains in Chester because the toilet was broken, they originally were going to run all the way to Cardiff with no working toilet (this was the Holyhead to Cardiff service).

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

They aren't amazing tbf! I'm not sure how problematic they were (as I wasn't hugely into trains when they were introduced to didn't follow them much) but they probably did have problems...

@DIEMLtdTV 7 месяцев назад

In Arriva's defence, the original 2004 Serco-Ned Northern franchise that merged First North Western and Arriva Trains Northern was let with the caveat of zero rolling stock improvements. So Arriva inherited some utterly vile, filthy and clapped out stock. When the Civities were introduced, they were an improvement but the fleet-wide moquette has been a disaster as it's gotten very dirty, very quickly with every stain showing. It's still the poor relation of the national network with many services grinding along at very low speeds still in some quite spartan rolling stock such as the Class 769 which never did get air conditioning to save money during the conversion. It's still a lousy franchise with some of the most miserable customer facing staff on the network. I think it's a time to cut it in half down the Pennines and shift back to North West and North franchises with more support from the PTEs. Maybe let the Metro Mayors take over the services but this may leave non-metropolitan areas at a disadvantage due to some of the local authorities being woefully lacking on infrastructure planning.

@andrewbowen4544 4 месяца назад

Bombardier do the WMT Class 172 which can run on electricity anyone diesel.

@Vanmanyo 4 месяца назад

Yeah the 172s are diesel only! Ironically I'm on one now!

@devon896 6 месяцев назад

Could I make a request that you leave the channel supports either at the start or the end. It's very annoying having them in the middle just as you get into the video. What I never understood is why Northern didn't just extend the pre-chaos timetable or revert back to it when it all went wrong.

@DeveroonieWasTaken 7 месяцев назад

great video, keep up the great work! can you please do gtr southeastern next please?

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I do have the next few vids lined up, but definitely will consider after! Thanks!!

@topmandog1 3 месяца назад

my fav part of the northern fail era was ITV news, Calendar, Granada and lookaround doing a entire 6pm news segment from preston station about northern on 11th june 2018, can be seen on youtube

@ElijahsTransport 7 месяцев назад

Interesting

@OfficialRyanx 6 месяцев назад

Be good if you could cover the original Arriva Trains Northern and their mess at some point.

@Vanmanyo 6 месяцев назад

I want too but there's so little online sadly!

@TomRogersOnline 5 месяцев назад

That's the one I want to see. They were truly awful.

@DubGathoni 4 месяца назад

To be fair, if Privatization did what it was supposed to, Arriva Rail North would have said something like stuff Network and built rail lines to relieve the congestion themselves.

@davepearson3992 6 месяцев назад

Network fail caused the issues delaying electrification Arriva got prepared and were s**t on my the govt

@camero3266 6 месяцев назад

Arriva was also corrupt that’s the main reason they lost the franchise

@Likasense 7 месяцев назад

Why are all of the franchises owned by the government so bad?

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Northern now are certainly better than they were under arriva!

@Bungle-UK 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyoreally? 140 cancellations showing already this weekend mainly due to driver shortages. The government has been running Northern for 4 years and the underlying issues are still the same.

@godlydestroyer8658 7 месяцев назад

Because they are stealing from the population

@katrinabryce 5 месяцев назад

They are owned by the government because they were bad.

@ethmister 7 месяцев назад

195 and 331 shouldve been ordered as a bimode train as every single unit

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Agree totally here! Hope you liked the video and considered subscribing ☺️

@robtyman4281 7 месяцев назад

Nearly all have failed. Let's just go back to a nationalised railway as one whole shall we?

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Means I have lots of content to look at!

@robtyman4281 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo Exactly! 🤔😕

@gymnasiast90 5 месяцев назад

And many have failed because of the DafT and Network Rail -screwing up. Maybe a nationalised railway _can_ work better than the current system (it would at least simplify things), but that will require getting stuff in order on the government side first.

@iainbrookes3461 7 месяцев назад

CLITheroe 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Freudian slip possibly!

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I think it's more Southerner tries to pronounce Northern places 😅 we can all have our fun though ;)

@katashworth41 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo Oswaldtwistle is always a fun one to catch people out.

@Clivestravelandtrains 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo Northern had to re-record many of their train announcements due to complaints about bad pronunciation. It always annoyed me they couldn't get Harrogate or Starbeck right, but much better now they've re-recorded. As for Cudworth - they made a total hash of that!

@Rgrail 7 месяцев назад

I like the failed franchise series

@Andrewjg_89 7 месяцев назад

I personally do think that Northern should order more new trains and perhaps inherit the Class 350/2 Desiro or Class 379 Electrostar to be used on Leeds-York with electrification still ongoing in the North of England.

@Blubatt 7 месяцев назад

Love-Hate relationship with the Class 331. Very roomy, spacious, and comfortable...if you're sitting down. The amount of times I have held onto the rail for dear life at initial acceleration is a joke. Its a sudden jolt, and if you're on a rush hour service, its not fun.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

Yeah CAF aren't known for the smoothest journeys. The acceleration is good and all but I can imagine that having to stand whilst on one isn't the most pleasant

@Blubatt 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo It's one of a couple of niggles I have living in Northern territory. Our services were reduced to one train per hour on the Lime Street to Manchester line, which is pretty abysmal. If you live on some stations on the city line; from Huyton to Liverpool, then you have 2 trains per hour. Once you split off at the Huyton, it depends. The Wigan branch gets 2TPH, as well as semi fast routes to Preston and Blackpool. My branch, that goes to Manchester Picadily (Used to be the more convenient Victoria) has 1TPH all week. In my mind, that should be the other way around.

@embok345 7 месяцев назад

I've commuted on Northern for pretty much the past year between Lancaster and Preston, and subjectively it seems that it has much better reliabaility than both Avanti and TPE, it feels like every other day one of them is cancelled, vs on Northern where I feel it has only happened a handful of times, although I recognise different routes will have different experiences. I also find the 195 a so much nicer train to travel on than a pendolino or a 397, it's just so much more spacious, again though I do realise they have somewhat different purposes. The one thing I haven't quite understood about the 195/331 is why they didn't also get a bi-mode version. The route I travel on, Manchester Airport - Barrow-in-Furness is electrified for most of it's distance, between Manchester Airport and Carnforth, and it feels pretty wasteful to be running diesel for all that way. It doesn't seem to me, a layperson, that much more of a stretch to have a bi-mode version when you already have diesel and electric versions, in terms of construction, training or maintenance, but I don't know.

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I think the 390 refurbished units are pretty nice, but I do agree the Civities are more spacious in that sense! Yeah I'm not sure why Northern didn't get a bi-node version. Would make so much sense especially around Windermere!

@mattevans4377 7 месяцев назад

Northern are currently looking into a bi mode option, but it all depends on whether the Department for Roads....sorry, Department for Transport gives them the go ahead to spend money.

@True_NOON 7 месяцев назад

Southeastern/ Great train robbers

@JBFlytography 6 месяцев назад

Blaming Arriva for a Network Rail issue🤔😂

@Vanmanyo 6 месяцев назад

I didnt!!

@JBFlytography 6 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo I never said YOU did. I meant punters.

@Vanmanyo 6 месяцев назад

@@JBFlytography apologies!!!

@JBFlytography 6 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo not at all mate, it was me for not explaining it properly 😬 Get it all the time now. I work for Scotrail and anytime it’s an NR issue everyone is quick to blame Scotrail 🙄

@jonmilligan8069 6 месяцев назад

Clit Hero - I’ve been there once!🤪👌👍

@Vanmanyo 6 месяцев назад

😉

@marcogeurts9881 7 месяцев назад

@Vanmanyo Well Arriva in The Netherlands does it also not so good sometimes as for example in the region Twente where they took over Busservices and the line Oldenzaal-Hengelo-Zutphen from Keolis Nederland by the buses it went inmediatly wrong is Volvo couldn't deliver all the Electric buses on time so they had to bring other buses wich aren't eletric over from other regions like Limburg and by the RS24 service to Zutphen sometimes trains are cancelled due to staff shortages but Arriva Limburg does it really not good they either cancel the whole RE18 from Maastricht to Herzogenrath/Aachen HBF or they let it start in Heerlen due to staff shortages and issues for the part to Luik it was that they didn't deliver these FLIRT3C trainsets with ETCS wich required in belgium so they had to built in in Blerick and now they're doing wuth some sets training drives and it was since 2019 the case and also in their Arriva Limburg trains toilets are often out of use then in use so they have sometimes been warned by the provice Limburg

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I've actually used Arriva rail from Leeuwarden last year. Thought they weren't too bad and their Flirts were modern and pretty nice trains!

@marcogeurts9881 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo well im the northern and eastern part of The Netherlands they aren't bad but it's more that since the recent timetable change that by buses the times that drivers can have a break is 5 minutes so not long and from Zutphen Oldenzaal there is a train running 2 times per hour wich isn't that bad but from December 11, 2023 to February 4, 2024, the RE18 only ran between Heerlen and Aachen Hbf, due to test runs for the planned extension from Maastricht to Liège and the resulting shortage of equipment. Additional express buses ran between Maastricht, Valkenburg and Heerlen at a frequency of 2x/hour. In the late evening and on Sunday morning, the frequency of these buses was reduced to 1x/hour. The buses did not stop in Meerssen. And now trains should run as planned but sometimes these are cancelled eue to staff shortages

@marcogeurts9881 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo but if you compare that to this it is indeed that the Arriva Northern Rail was much worser

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

It certainly seems that way - from experience personally I would agree too! Thank you for your comment and I hope you enjoyed the video

@marcogeurts9881 7 месяцев назад

@@Vanmanyo i really enjoyed the video

@Trainaviation 7 месяцев назад

I got a Northern advert on this video 😂😂😂

@ascottishheart999 7 месяцев назад

Hello, I think you you should do a video on the failed Scorail franchise. & how National Express & first group had the Caledonia sleeper train and it’s old Rollin Stock until the failed Serco took over in 2015 Caledonia sleeper and back into Scottish Goverment owership and how the prices since the Mark 5 coaches took over the how rubbish the seating on sleeper coaches . I think you could probably do a video and its own about the Caledonia sleeper. The prices haven’t got much better since the government took over .

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I've had lots of suggestions but I'll take yours into account too! Thanks!

@N-ys7me 20 дней назад

Northern fail? Hehehe

@WilliamStennettChesser 7 месяцев назад

Cool video, skibbidy

@poopoodealer8975 7 месяцев назад

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@poopoodealer8975 7 месяцев назад

Dear mister Vanmanyo It IS a good thing that chiltern HAS NOT failed. Otherwise I would NOT be able to enjoy their luxurious ONE SIX FIVE fleet. I WOULD NOT know what to do if that ever happened. Sincerely yours -poopoodealer

@Vanmanyo 7 месяцев назад

I agree - I'm very glad to be able to travel on the class 165s with Chiltern 😍😍😍