Northernlion explains why he won't be playing Baldur's Gate 3 

Yeah the only playthrough of his ive ever watched to completion was the Fallout new vegas playthrough, which was the best content he's ever made and that was almost 10 years ago now. I would rather rewatch that than watch another 80+ hour playthrough. The era of longform playthroughs is dead.

Yeah, final fantasy XVI had a severe drop on views and is a more eye candy game where he can banter over. I understand. But I still think it would be awesome. But I understand.

I'd actually go back and watch the VOD when he was done with it but I accept I'm an extreme outlier

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Yeah his midnight suns stuff did really poorly, regardless of quality of the game, long form stuff is harder to get an audience for.

Never forget that Loki had a medkit.

I'm an Edge Clark Duncan man myself.

What was the name of his gunslinger in XCOM 2?

Holy brsh +2

Wait, what did he do with Isaac?

What happened with sinvictas isaac?

He has/had a long series, where ye boasted a very long winstreak in Isaac. One day he uploaded a video where it included a death, he quit, and reloaded the file. Didn't acknowledge it at all. Basically he accidentally uploaded a video of how he had been cheating his win streak.

You can still find the video if you look for it. Sinvicta deleted it off of his channel after he realized what he did. If you mention it in his subreddit, or in his twitch chat, you will be banned.

Darkest Dungeon has conditioned him to expect a guaranteed hit at 95% because that game has a hidden +5% chance to hit in your favor regardless of accuracy.

​@@PotionSmellerI knew it was a casual game in the end

@@friendlyplayer92 I mean yeah any DD player could tell you that. You literally cannot lose unless you play on the highest difficulty.

@@PotionSmeller it's always hilarious to me seeing people who expect anything over like 70% to be a guaranteed hit and raging when it misses

​@@PotionSmellerwell sometimes i get wiped. I'm finding it's getting easier the more i advance into It, but tue beginning can be harsh.

I think what saddens me the most is that I don't know if he reads the comments on those midnight suns videos, maybe he only sees the view numbers and is just disappointed

​@@raeryukofor mental health purposes it's probably better not to read. Even if 19 out of twenty are positive and good, and the others are down voted to the bottom, those 'others' always stick with you more.

midnight suns was some of my favorite content from him in a while, seems like the game vibed w/ him hardcore

thats when i started watching nl 😭 good times

the wheel of time turns on

karlklein2263 when they learn about global warming: Cereal nature has changed

You eyeballin me?

The NLSS super sundays were my favorite streams of his. It's a shame that era is so far gone. Glad NL still sees plenty of success with his other stuff though

Yeah he's been saying that for a while now and I'm just like... really?

You can’t win with him. Indie games that slap come out? “Idk chat not my cup of tea”. New AAA that aren’t trash come out? “It’s just not what the viewers want”. Okay play an old game that got a big update? “Just let it go man it’s been years”. Then he turns around and says “Gaming needs a W man.”

need a deck builder rogue lite indie game to come out in December

@@yjre Just because it's not a RPG doesnt mean it can't be good. Spiderman 1 is incredibly fun and enjoyable

​@@yjreBG3 isn't everyone's cup of tea. Its mine so it probably will be my GOTY but acting like games from completely different genres aren't also incredible is shortsighted. There's a lot of competition this year which is good. FF16, BG3, TOTK and hopefully Spiderman and Starfield will be as good as people think they will be. I'd have added Diablo 4 if they didn't loose a lot of the goodwill from players with the latest season update, and Remnant 2 has received really high praise but I think it's to small to receive a GOTY nod with all the heavy hitters. What I'm saying is it's subjective. Someone who loves Spiderman may not enjoy BG3 and someone who loves BG3 may not enjoy Spiderman but it doesn't make them bad games. Just different for different people

Yeah but do you get engagement money from your trolling? Checkmate.

I also love how he makes jokes

Do you not understand jokes?

Hmmmm curious. The streamer man recognized a false positive in his chat, only to make others feel one about a tv show. Hmmm, hypocrite much, egghead? Subscribed

I also thought that was hilarious

@@Odyssey636 He plays games for like 4-5hours a day, and he takes weekends off. I went through the game pretty fast, since I don't care about story, and it took me around 50hours. NL would be playing the game every day for a minimum of 2-3weeks in order to complete it, how is that a "few days"?

@@Xationwhy would you play a game like that if you don’t care about story

​@@Pitman856yeah like, what's the point

@@loggi7605 To have fun in a sandbox RPG?

@@Shiftarus yeah, skipping the story Is so much fun.

And content that you never have to 'what did I miss'. The entire current game state is visible.

the FF16 analytics were horrendous. he usually gets 7k-10k on most games but FF16 dipped to 2k which is kinda insane

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cohhcarnage maybe

I'm watching Quill18, who isn't super similar in terms of vibes but still enjoyable I'd say. Plus he does pay attention to the story/dialogue bits which NL probably wouldn't if that's what you prefer (I certainly do, as I ain't gonna play this game until a middling laptop can run it in like 5+ years)

I like marbozir. not necessarily a similar vibe to northern lion but I like him. He plays a lot of turn based strategy but I know he's doing a BG3 playthrough right now. Middle aged polish guy. He's chill.

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does the enemy have a modifier or something that doesn't get calculated? 95% is basically 100% 😂

That isn't how probability works, boys. 95%=1/20. One attack in 20 will miss. Two attacks @95%= 1/20*1/20=1/400. So one time in 400 (on average), when you attack with two consecutive 95%s, both will miss. Source: middle school math education.

@@andrea_7194never go to a casino

@@andrea_7194the enemy was just really lucky

Failing a 95% chance to hit means you rolled a nat 1 on the d20 hit die, which I think would be a far more engaging thing to show. Seeing a nat 1 is at least kinda funny, and sets you up for the classic D&D player superstition. Failing a 95% chance to hit just makes you feel like your character is a moron.

Whenever it does he just pivots back to his usual sap golf geoguesser garbage, really isn’t a huge deal lmao

Because the viewership is good after the 2000th SAP run? Give me a break, he could have played and completed BG3 with a viewership just fine. FF16 was the same, it would have been fine, he's hardly fighting for viewers.

@@deetsitmeisterjd let's see. Do I trust your numbers, or his...

TBH the real reason is that NL's stream style does not work with lore heavy games. Idk why after so many years people continue to beg him to play story games and then complain when he skips lore and talks over the story about his grocery store visit,

@@NihongoWakannaiAbsolutely right. Most people watch him for his quips/anecdotes or banter with the chat instead of watching based on the game he's playing.

Exactly, I watched one stream of a guy playing the intro super slowly, just to see if the game was for me and then didn't watch any of his other streams of the game to avoid spoilers.

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Twitch VODs?

And chat hated it, and everything outside the battles is legitimately trash. NL is officially an idiot

An honest evaluation of oneself. More of this online is awesome, NL needs to keep this up!

His playthrough of Elden Ring was very different to mine though so I loved watching him play!

Yet he played Elden Ring anyway, says people would get bored of watching, plays one of the longest games in recent memory and fucks BG3 off because viewership would get bored. Just like FF16...

Except it literally doesn’t matter. If you like a game, you should play it- to hell with "viewership." Or ya know, play it off-stream.

the cost at looking at twitch chat all day

game complaining is an offense worthy of death penalty

Euro games are kinda that, though.

SAP slander -2

That’s my point that so many viewers disagree with, if I want to watch a story game I’d rather watch a different streamer than NL.

@@mdaily318 his banter in combat would be legendary. But for ever fight theres three hours of story.

​@@mdaily318I don't like any other streamer, they are all fucking annoying. NL is tolerable.

Although not my style of content, the most interesting thing he does is the thornforg character. Just be a bastard, because he doesn't care about the characters, so lean into that.

I mean it just depends on the type of person you are and the viewers you attract. There are plenty of people on youtube who in the past have posted long spanning games and gotten popular. Minecraft youtubers had potentially hundreds of episodes in a "series" and gotten far more popular than NL. NL has just gotten the reputation and viewer base of "play SAP over and over again". His audience has a low attention span and probably just plays his shit in the background, so his content reflects that.

Daph is also a much different streamer than NL, she has dialogues with chat and entertains but she isn’t always trying to be “on” like NL is. That’s just partly because she streams for longer hours than NL.

HE HATES US!!! UUUUUUUUUUUU

Honestly so based.

That's pretty fair

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The problem is for every one viewer like you there are 20-30 more that would stop watching a longplay and just come back for youtube highlights.

you lost respect because he said guys this game is good and im really enjoying playing it and then kept playing it?

​@@Binaeroooo77yeah, because it wasn't *his* long game, and he could only barely backseat that one.

That's his job though, I'm bored of NL complaining that gaming has bad for ages while simultaneously not playing any of the stuff people are saying is good.

I would argue that larian games have plenty of space for banter but it's not a playthrough series type of game

@@deetsitmeisterjd Except you know it would dick his viewership on the main channel and take up a fair amount of time for little payoff. I've been playing through it, Baldur's Gate is not an NL game. It's a 40+ Hour narrative heavy game.

id argue that playing longer games like this is fully dependant on your personality. A Minecraft youtuber "davidangel64" also known as "X" did a mass effect 1 playthrough back in the day on his youtube channel and it was fucking hilarious. He could make a funny joke about just about anything because he was a genuinely funny and eccentric guy. Northernlion can quip as good as anybody but at the end of the day he's just not that interesting so he cant do games like CRPG's. Youve got to be a certain kind of person to just be funny all the time no matter what. Basically a comedian that plays games.

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If he had to live off the amount of people who watched all 2000 episodes of Isaac he'd starve. It's also different because you can jump into any Isaac episode and not feel like you're missing out on anything, but if you jump into episode 4 of a playthrough of a story-driven game then you don't know what the fuck is going on.

@@Szanth I have no idea what’s going on in SAP cause of all the new stuff

@@super_7710 And yet you also don't need to know to be able to follow along, because it's not a storyline with specific events to miss. So if you miss today's episode and watch tomorrow's, you will have had the same quality of experience as you would if you'd just watched today's. If you skip a narrative game's episode you no longer have any idea who anyone is or why they're saying what they're saying. You might be able to assume and pick it up along the way, but that's less satisfying of a narrative experience, which is what people generally go to narrative games for, at least partially. This should be pretty easy to understand. They're very different games in very specific ways.

​@@Szanthso just play mind numbing nothing burgers games so people can watch it I guess

@@DanTodd_ Roguelikes are good for me

Mundane games like golf or w/e have the benefit of being background noise while the streamer provides the entertainment. RPG's are full of cutscenes/lore that interrupt the streamer banter constantly.

@@Lockieez doesn’t change the fact that he’s objectively wrong. BG3 has been near the top of all streams since launch

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@@TheLibraryofLetourneau tahnk you

Same. He dropped Wildfrost after giving it a thumbnail for ONE episode. FF16 isn't even that long and he saw "well I'm getting 25% of the viewership" but it would only be for a week but nah he can't even stick it out. Everything is about money now, he just plays the same crap, the same 7-10k people want to watch.

@@deetsitmeisterjd look I'm not saying it's not just about the numbers. It is. I'm just saying. Maybe, just maybe: The numbers would go up if he played good stuff. Anyhow I dropped him after noticing I hadn't watched a video of his in like a month or so. I remember he had a siiiick streak not long ago of Dark Souls Randomizer, to SM64, to the beginning of SAP, to a bit of Peglin. Shit was crazy.

well the community also turns on each other by blaming "chat" for killing games when they are chat

How else do streamers interact with chat "With jokes" He's doing jokes the whole time

@@FennelRPG Yeah I also forgot he didn't literally do nothing but talk down to people and you're actually overblowing a nothing situation for no reason He also talked about his ridiculous cake, go look at that clip, he doesn't talk down to anyone there

because the only clips you engage with are his incendiary takes, so more get served to you and you click, watch, AND comment/complain like the slop eater you are

As someone who loves CRPGs, BG3 was a breath of fresh air, so definitely give it a shot at some point. It combines the isometric CRPG with the cinematic experience of a AAA game and it makes a world of difference. It feels like Dragon Age: Origins in all the best ways. CRPG's often suffer from a lack of meaningful character interaction because they're reduced to a small portrait in a dialogue box and i had no idea how much of a difference that made until BG3.

BG3 stream where he skips all the dialogue in between turn based combat events sounds fun

Can you blame him? It was open season on all suckheads.

is that how he played Midnight Suns?@@cavemantoe6153

i started playing bd3 with a friend, we probably won't ever finish the game but the hours of questions we get to do together is still worth it? it's like dnd IRL

Thats not what hypocritical means at all

tbf SAP is pretty fun and gets regular update, besides that he barely needs to put any brainpower into playing it and can go off on a 20 minute tangent at any point without having to focus on playing

thats why RDR 2 >

If you found elden ring boring and you didn't find anything interesting that's on you tbh

​@@shaphier7057weirdass comment. yeah it's on them, it's literally their opinion. It's as on them as on them gets. Not everyone's gonna find Dark Soul bosses scattered around an open world interesting lol and to each their own

@roundabout468 there are plenty of areas in elden ring that you can take the bosses out of and they are interesting by themselves. Last friend of mine tried elden ring and thought it was boring. I told them to try paying attention and not just run around aimlessly looking for bosses and now it's one of their all time favorite games. When 90% of people find a game interesting, then yes of course I'm going to point out that there lack of interest is solely on them and not the game lol

​@@shaphier7057 yeah and where was it implied that it wasn't on them lmao it's an opinion. It is literally on them.