*NOTE * NOT FOR REBROADCAST WITHOUT PERMISSION 2 alarm fire destroys 4 units. No injuries to pets, civilians, or firefighters. Lead Agency - South King Fire & Rescue 40 minutes to knock down #stringer #apartmentfire #shotinthedark
So in case anyone is new to the video and the PIO statement. This was a cooking fire that extended.......obviously. I have a female that lives on the property but not in these units screaming about everything! After watching this dozens of times due to comments I provide this. To the lady screaming.....OMG you are too much it took every ounce not to go off on you, thank god I found an LT I am familiar with to distract you. This was shot entirely on tri-pod. This was filmed for news purposes so hopefully, big hope there, that explains the different shots. You can see that the first crew did an interior attack from Alpha and a crew finally came around the Charlie side to try and prevent extension into the overhead. Sadly I have seen this before in many fires in apartments that it was a guarantee overhead extension. In my opinion, sorry JB91710, vertical venting helps. I rather see 10' plus flames out a vent cut then injuries. Everyone was safely out at that point it is go to SOP and get it out. Complex mandated renter's insurance. In no way did the professionals I see daily just "let it burn" they were working their butts off. Lastly, this video was provided to the handling agency for training. Overall take a look into the channel. This is a hobby of mine and I appreciate most comments :P I enjoy what I do and when I can do it. I also periscope under evergreen media production when I can live stream. Keep in mind during this I was handling the camera, a DSLR and communicating with news agencies. THANK YOU
You did a great job filming this! You can find me comments on the big mouth women! Word of advice, carry a sock and duct tape with you! She needed it! You have more restraint than I do!!! You are to be commended!
Thank you for telling the cause of the fire. I love watching firefighter videos and a lot of time no one bothers to tell what caused the fire. I know that I always wonder, what caused that and I'm sure that I'm not alone in that. It looked like a good fire fight. I have seen better, I have seen worse. But honestly these guys did good.
Painful to watch. I'm a firefighter and refrain from armchair quarterbacking other departments, but come on fellas, a little less talkie talk and a little more water on the red stuff. Be aggressive, get in there, knock the shit out of it and go home!
If she's so freaked out by this fire, why the hell is she standing around making all kinds of unnecessary noise? Why didn't someone call the paramedics and have her hospitalized?
While you watch just another fire, I watch my apartment burning. I lived in the upstairs apartment. In another story by Federal way mirror, I am the woman who jumped out of that apartment. I was taking a test when I opened the door to go to the leasing office to use their printer, because mine was acting up. When I opened the door, I was hit by smoke and heat and dust. Everything was black. I closed the door and jumped out from the balcony. By the way, I am NOT the woman who was yelling and crying. But she was not far from me. From what I heard her say, she was angry because that was the third fire in the complex in an year, and she thought the fire fighters were not moving first enough. She personally knew some of us, and knew we were in shock as we watched our home burn.....just so you know. And yeah, the alarms did not go off until late. Please reach out to me South Sound News. I have a personal request.
American fire fighters will 1 day work out not to vent from the ceiling..why yes it lets the heat and smoke out but it also lets oxygen into the fire therefor making it bigger.it is never done in structural fires here in Australia for that reason alone.
@@TheNemosdaddy Essentially you are correct. Fire is the result of the following the fire tetrahedron. This is heat fuel oxidizing agent combining to carbonize the combustible solid fuels. The evidence of this can be seen if you observe the very edge of a fire. You will see the unburned solid fuel turn black and you can note the blue fire line is just slightly above the remaining solid fuel. Flames are both the product and cause of the combustion but not where the combustion actually takes place. It must be noted that there is some combustion taking place within the flames however this is the oxidization of fine particulates that are carried aloft be the rising heated air and the unburned portion of these super fine carbonized fuel particulates combine to produce visible smoke the darker the smoke the less combustion of the fine carbonized particulates in the rising column of heated air. This can be called a number of things combustion, carbonizing, chemically it is a sustained Exothermic Reaction. Whatever you wish to call it uncontrolled it is a scary beast.
Tim Walker believe it or not a lot of American fire departments don’t do roof vent work. My department is a full time department with 5 stations and 93 firefighters and we don’t do roof work 99% of the time.
Also, why is pipeman hitting high so much, when a lot of red on first floor ? Hit low, cool & let steam permeate upper levels. Straight-stream nozzle ? Circle the stream around a little, covering more & bulking up on that steam.
If a crew entered from the front of the building for interior attack on the first floor and you blast water in from the back you are just pushing the fire towards the interior team.
They are pushing the fire back into the house.Back in my day we had heavy inside attack teams that would actually go in the front door with a 2 1/2 inch line 2 firefighters a line officer a 1 3/4 inch back up line knocking down hot spots.and 2 firefighters with pike poles pulling down the ceiling. checking for extension.
Can't begin to understand why there was no effort to get water into the roof area after venting. Fire appeared to be under control at that point, then allowed to burn freely following venting.
@@PreservationEnthusiast Says the 🤡 who's never worked a fire in his life 😂🤣😅 ETA... Cue the "But i'm a retired FF of 137 years as a Supriem Battalion Chief Commander Instructor"
@@virgilhilts3924 You clearly know nothing about Fire Engineering. You seem to be a member of the yankee school of firefighting. "Let's stand around looking at it and try to look cool. Make a few holes and witness a controlled burn."
Does anyone know how this got started? It was nice to hear the chief give a little synopsis at the end, however, no indication was given as to how the fire got started. Is it possible that it was just too early to sort that out yet? I imagine that even once the fire has been extinguished, it's still way too hot and smoky to go in and investigate. I direct this question at anyone with training. In other words, I want to hear from firefighters. The rest of the armchair firefighters, bugger off.
Well how about me? Since I was there and filmed this 😂. The PIO eluded to the cause at the end. "Be careful with your cooking" this was caused by someone being left unattended on the stove
Evergreen Media Production Oh, God! This seems to happen *so* often! Why are people so careless? My insurance is such that if I did something like that, my insurance company would not provide coverage. They would, however, cover me if a neighbour in the building pulled a stunt like that and my unit sustained damage. Then they would go after the neighbour for reimbursement. My insurance is expensive, but I am getting replacement coverage after deductible. Also, our premiums go down every year, because we haven't ever had a claim for fire. We had a break-in 30 years ago, but nothing since. We had no trouble with the insurance for the break-in. Most of what we lost was our entire collection of CDs. We had a lot of trouble with the record store where we tried to replace the CDs. They couldn't get it through their thick hippie heads that they were getting replacement value. I had to squawk to the store owner before they cooperated.
@@adelefarough5123 Unfortunately carelessness and lack of fire awareness will continue to cause fires and result in the increase in fire intensity. This is the underlying cause of most fires and is responsible for fires such as those in Socal and all other areas where conditions exist like the day the Horse River fire devastated Fort McMurray Ab.
David Lenzi: yes, I know. I live in a high-rise. Last June, our fire alarm rang. It was about 4:45 PM, and I was literally on the verge of starting supper when the fire alarm rang. Unfortunately, I have no choice but to take the time to harness up my guide dog and then proceeded down eight flights of stairs. This turned out to be a real fire. Another disabled tenant lost track of a cigarette, thereby starting a fire. Happily, the fire was confined to one unit. My husband and I both use guide dogs because we are both visually-impaired. While I was outside, I overheard another tenant saying, "I bet it was that blind couple who started the fire." I went over to her and gave her a piece of my mind. I think I embarrassed the hell out of her, and frankly, I'm not one bit sorry. I've been through a fire, and I am here to tell anyone who cares to listen, that I am probably one of the most fire-conscious people on the planet. I have to take my guide dog out to relieve four times a day. Before we go out, I turn off all lights the radio and/or the TV, so that none of them starts a fire, and I check the stove to make sure all the burners and the oven are off. During the summer, I turn off the air-conditioner. All this to make sure that a fire doesn't start while I'm outside with my dog for five minutes. I am well aware that *anything* can start a fire.
@@adelefarough5123 That is good for you fire awareness and fire safety are important issues. I understand that there are many factors that are involved and this forum does not allow for all of those factors to be properly discussed. I am happy that you were able to get out of the building. I also pray that everyone else was able to make it out safely. Best wishes to you and yours.
If you are talking about the beginning shots of the guys at the rear of the building with the line outside, it is because the lower right side unit appears to be where the seat of the fire is and there was a crew making entry into the unit from the front side and if the crew at the rear of the unit put water into it they would be hitting the crew in the front along with douching them with steam. That’s why they coordinate their efforts for different crews to avoid that. It’s the same idea as cops in a gun fight coordinating to avoid crossfire.
Once there are no people in the building or those surrounding it then why should they risk their lives? No harm I standing back, and letting it burn, the house is a total loss, so all they need to do it stop it spreading,
I'm not a firefighter but I've watched a lot of these types of videos and one thing I noticed is there's always that one person in the crowd who you can hear over everyone full of drama, is this always the case when there is a fire?
I've been to three fires in my life and to answer your question, yeah pretty much. The worst one was the one going ballistic when my apartment building was on fire. The lady in question was not a resident of the complex. She followed the fire trucks there (illegal) and then goes on and on like the lady in this video except she directed all her comments at me. I stood on the corner of the property since my apartment was burning, but not in the way of the firefighters. I really had no place else to go. So this lady spends the next half hour SCREAMING at me about crap that was none of her business. She lectured me about smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, keeping flammable possessions, not having red stickers on my bedroom windows, Standing too close to the firefighters, not helping them put out the fire after all it's my fire, smoking in bed (I don't smoke and never did, the fire was electrical), choosing to live in a neighborhood prone to house fires and on and on. Then she interrogated me about arson and wanted to know my insurance company so she could report me to them for arson. She informed me she was going to collect the reward for turning me in for arson. She just would not stop. The cops who were doing crowd control asked if WE needed a place to stay for the night. I asked what he meant by "we" and he says "you and your wife here." I told her I never saw her before in my life and that I don't know her she just pulled up and started screaming at me. Finally that cop restored my faith in humanity. He put handcuffs on her and carted her off.
Why thank you! Sorry about that female crying over everything :P she doesn't like people burning in their fireplace this time :P Hopefully more great coverage to come
03:00 doesn't hand hose off to at least 3 guys standing there to put his gloves on. Then at 03:33 he seems confused at where the fire is and stands there looking at smoke and fire. WTF I never seen 3 guys have so much trouble with a hose. Have to be volunteers.
If I had to guess, it has more to do with the realization that this could just as easily have happened to them than it does to their neighbors losing personal possessions.
@@JB91710 In this case Jack I will agree with you quench the burning material and it removes the heat. add A.A.A.F.and you have removed both the heat and the oxidizer unless we are dealing with fires that are self oxidizing or water reactive.
Well you see this is video i shoot for the news. So they prefer certain shots on structure fires. That is why the camera zooms in tight from time to time :P
Here are a couple of questions which are probably going to sound like stupid questions. Please be advised (once again) that I am *not* a firefighter. 1.. What constitutes smoke damage? 2. What exactly is "a working fire?" And I *do* not want to hear from JB91710.
1) smoke can get into carpets, walls, etc and its toxic plus it will change the coloration of many items 2) "working fire" is how the call type gets entered. Out here they have a structure fire type and if crews get onscene and see fire...then its deemed "working" or confirmed fire. Not all structure fire calls are actual fires
wow, honestly. it always blows me away to watch the fire dept dill dally. this clown kept turning the water off. wtf. put the effing fire out. try to save something rather than watch it burn. 2 alarm......1 there to watch. amazing, roof is burning off and they all sit and watch
Sqeeky Kleen Are you sure that was the apartment manager? There certainly was someone flapping her jaws, but I thought it was just an annoying, drugged-out bystander.
You could try building houses out of bricks and concrete, as they do not burn. That house was like a giant bonfire, as it was all wood construction. I am glad my flat is not made of wood, as I have no desire to live in an unlit bonfire. Even the fire fighters turn up with chainsaws, knowing the house is just wood, and needs cutting down.
@@KB4QAA The inner cavity wall can be made of block or another inflammable material. Floors can be made of concrete. These things don't burn. The US is not learning basic lessons. They build everything out of 6x2 and wafer board which goes up like tinder.
@@PreservationEnthusiast 1. A house cannot be made fireproof. 2. What the exterior walls are made of will not prevent an interior walls. 3. The US has plentiful lumber. Just because Europe used up their lumber a thousand years ago does not mean we shouldn't use it.
@@KB4QAA A house structure *can* be made non combustible. The interior walls can be made of block, brick, or concrete as is common in the UK for example. Like most Americans, you only know about what happens in America. Zero knowledge about the rest of the world. Absolutely lamentable. Increase your perception on building construction. Expand your mind beyond your own borders.
@@PreservationEnthusiast Stop splitting hairs and cherry picking materials. Bottom line: Building houses from brick or stone does NOT stop house fires. It may help reduce spreading to surrounding structures, but the US does not have any significant such problem because the US does not generally have congested towns like Europe.
lol love the comments there was no need to rush to put the fire out everyone was out safe plain and simple all they were doing was containing and letting the fire burn what was left while keeping it inside the 4 apartments its a common tactic in fire fighting they do it with brush and wild fires also
JB91710 wow ! You don’t give up do you? As long as everyone is out, and things are safe, deal with the fire on the terms you can. Building and belongings can be replaced, lives can’t and before you ask asshole, yes I owned property that burned . So fuck off
@@jsk1818 Let us also not forget the fact that fresh Firefighters are required to replace those at the end of their shift on the active fire attack companies so those firefighters can go through their rehab be checked over and rested before returning to the firefight.
Adele Farough - Unless your IQ is 161 or above, you’re an idiot! Ok, I am just teasing! I saw your comment below. No one in this thread can be a big of an idiot than JB. He is one angry dude!
Thomas Skinner: OK. I am done venting about that stupid bitch. Let's try and have a constructive conversation about this. I have seen oddball reactions in other fire videos. We had a fire when I was a small child, and by all accounts, my parents behaved very strangely. My mother put me (in my carriage) somewhere and forgot what she had done with me. An alert firefighter saved me from being sprayed by burning fuel. We had a dog who was tied in his doghouse. My parents completely forgot about the dog, with the result that the dog burned alive. Maybe some experienced firefighters can give us some insight into why families and spectators behave so strangely at fire scenes. In one video I saw, the homeowner was actually giggling. The fire was, by her own admission, her fault. She left the stove on with a pan of bacon grease on a hot element. Then she went out. Result? Yep. You guessed it. The house caught fire, and eventually burned to the ground. I was so tempted to make a remark about her behavior. I'm glad I didn't, because someone else, who knew the woman, suggested that she was in shock. Nevertheless, when I saw that video, I could cheerfully have throttled that woman.
The homeowner should have been taken from the area so investigators could interview her without all the other people within earshot, plus all the other noise distractions. Just my viewpoint.
Doreen Blatz: Further back in the comments, one firefighter told me that there is always one in every crowd. He has learned to tune the stuff out, and carries Excedrin in this pack.
JB you continue to look and sound like a clown. Glad you aren’t in my company. You’d have a whole lot of problems. My only question is why the overhaul tip on the nozzle? Otherwise looked like a nice knock.
Turd huh? Is that fitting? Why don't you Search Vertical Venting and read all my comments that spell out in Detail Why it doesn't work? Then you can compare them to your reasons why it does. Oh, wait a minute, you didn't give us any.
@@JB91710 My responses tell exactly why is is used and how it enhances firefighter safety the most dangerous things threatening all firefighters are flashover and smoke explosions. Stop making yourself a target.
@@jsk1818 here is why I don't play nice with Jack JB91710 What like this "JB91710 9 months ago You want to call a Spade a Spade Fat Boy? There's no way you could have been ANYTHING but a Fountain Statue. Guys your size can ONLY talk it. There sure as hell was No Way you could have Walked it." you can apologize and end the issue that you created or continue and get you ass embarrassed over and over again. You see there is no escaping the truth as you are finding our I am worse than a pit bull when I demand an apology I will continue to press for it until I get what I am entitled to. as far as educating me get stuffed here is a comment from another youtuber about me D Colby 1 month ago Damn David, I think you blew up JB's brain. He really needs to go away. I think you have forgotten more then he will ever know about firefighting. JB91710 8 months ago David Here's the deal, "I apologize for Anything I said to you that hurt your feelings." Now, with that said, in the nine years I have been responding to unsolicited responses to my comments on RU-vid, I have NEVER found it necessary to Personally attack anyone to get their attention and put them in their place. You, are the Only one. This link is to the video where the above comments were taken. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5Etg0HMfwZM.html
I have 15 years experience with very active volunteer department and from watching this scene I'm not very impressed does it seem to be a lack of vampire seems to be a lack of motivation
@ Brian Staley you don't know what you are talking about. RIT or reserve to relive those working on the fire attack when they need rehab are two good reasons they would be standing about waiting.
Its no wonder fire insurance rates are sky high - the damned firefighters don't really know what they're doing. Standing around with their finger up their...........yea-nose!
@@JB91710 Show me were you have even come close to Making a positive comment without me firing back Troll something other than bash Firefighters and or Fire Departments. Yes I know you have had to delete comments you made because you crossed the line and violated others rights. to bad you can't delete my quoting by copy and paste of the one you made to me. Go back to building model cars Troll.
That crazy woman needs something to calm her down - she's absolutely bonkers. No need to act like that. Get real lady. It's a fire - not murder! Seems as tho its taking the fire co too long a time to get to the scene.
Hal Spencer We don't know how Far the Fire Department had to Travel. I have had to Travel 35 Miles on a Call Before. I was on a Department that had to Cover 50 Miles by Ourselves.
Also, how long had that fire been burning before the locals called it in? FFs can't respond to a fire if they don't know about it. I have a gut feeling that *somebody* was not on the ball.
3:00 Watch this group. Do you get the impression that they couldn't care less about stopping this fire and protecting the rest of the building? LETTING the first floor burn is called Playing. Getting off with that fire right in front of them and letting it get bigger and bigger. 7:25 The attic isn't burning at all. Now that they have lots of fresh air in there and no one is putting water on the burning material in the condo, it has now become and inferno. How long did that attic fire burn considering how many times the video was edited? 11:27 This could be your stuff burning, but it's a well supervised burn. 13:58 and it's still burning. That attic was Not structurally damaged until the fire department cut holes in the roof and then let the attic burn. Now the building is toast.
Devil's advocate here. The layout of this building prevented the crew from reaching the back of the structure. It was a narrow path next to a pond to reach the back. Initial crews pulled 2 1/2 to the front and start suppression efforts. Sadly getting that second or third line to the back the porches were too well involved extending into the attic. By the time the vertical cuts were made the attic was well involved. Also the involvement of the second floor unit made it difficult for crews to access that to pull ceiling to reach the fire. Vertical cuts are key for firefighting efforts as it allows the dangerous gases to vent out and visibility to improve inside the structure to locate the fire and suppress. As you can see when I arrived so did the FD and there was heavy structure involvement. I believe crews fought this perfectly and were able to contain it to 4 out of the 8 units.
@@jsk1818 I couldn't even finish your excuse filled comment. You are a dreamer. "Vertical cuts are key for firefighting efforts as it allows the dangerous gases to vent out and visibility to improve inside the structure to locate the fire and suppress. " This is the same BULLSHIT that you all use to explain away VVing instead of actually explaining how it works. Get educated. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JwE1pPyXFIY.html
@@JB91710 Kultsound 6 months ago Don't feed JB. He is a troll and has been trolling US firevideos for years to the point where he has been banned from commenting in some feeds. Guess he needed new trolling grounds. "JB91710 9 months ago You want to call a Spade a Spade Fat Boy? There's no way you could have been ANYTHING but a Fountain Statue. Guys your size can ONLY talk it. There sure as hell was No Way you could have Walked it." you can apologize and end the issue that you created or continue and get you ass embarrassed over and over again. You see there is no escaping the truth as you are finding our I am worse than a pit bull when I demand an apology I will continue to press for it until I get what I am entitled to. as far as educating me get stuffed here is a comment from another youtuber about me D Colby 1 month ago Damn David, I think you blew up JB's brain. He really needs to go away. I think you have forgotten more then he will ever know about firefighting. JB91710 8 months ago David Here's the deal, "I apologize for Anything I said to you that hurt your feelings." Now, with that said, in the nine years I have been responding to unsolicited responses to my comments on RU-vid, I have NEVER found it necessary to Personally attack anyone to get their attention and put them in their place. You, are the Only one. This link is to the video where the above comments were taken. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5Etg0HMfwZM.html
JB91710: what is it you get to ask a stupid question nobody jumps down your throat? I asked a legitimate question and got called an idiot. The last time I checked, this was called misogyny. Typical men! You actually think you're special. You should all have been slaughtered at birth. I, for one, never needed men, because I never wanted children.
This is a great video to show that vertical ventilation does not work all it does is let the fire have a flow path from the lowest point to the highest point especially with wind driven fires like this one. Every fire science class i have taken states that fire needs oxygen to live so why as fire fighters do we give it oxygen to live. The more you contain it by keeping the envelope closed the easier it is to get steam conversion. The argument has always been that if you VV you remove the smoke and hot gases for survivability but that window is a very small one especially if you are in the room involved. Hit it from the yard get a good knock down then go interior and control the flow paths. Pull ceiling and kill it from below if the roof is intact you will get a better steam conversion. Its dangerous on the roof and you can use those resources inside for search, rescue and fire attack. Tradition isnt everything lets learn from science and testing.
Man I thought they had a good knock, but then I heard the saw running on the roof. Tactics change over the years but a lot of dept's don't seem to get the memo.
@ Jonathan Larson Vertical Venting does not and is not intended as a fire suppression technique. It is done to allow the firefighters to have better visibility and lower temperatures to work an interior attack on the fire and enable a more efficient use of water.
Exactly.... you can literally watch it get worse. Why we keep ventilating vent limited fires, I'll never understand. "It lets the heat out"...well, It looks a lot hotter now that it's been turned into an inferno
