JFRD responds to a house fire with hidden fire 

it is in the blood

Thank you...I think it is important aspect of the situation.

did the government give the person who lost his house another house? I mean did they help him after that damage

sorry for your loss

We take care of each other

@@thejfrd2490 damn right we do

@@davidsullivan2913 !!!!!!!

How so? I was not there to video as they pulled up...it was 5-7 mins into it...how do you even know what was done?

​@@thejfrd2490 They didn't say what was done? Unless you're commenting to someone that deleted their post?

Wrong, the second story roof never came down.

@@Mth308 wrong...dick... fire was in the ceiling on the first floor,hence the roof burning off of said first floor

@@forgottenchild7935 I was responding to James comment on “any” new construction trusses fail in minutes and cannot be “stopped”. But cool man call me a dick

​@@Mth308 He's not really wrong though. The first story roof/attic space did come down.

With reports of residents inside...we make an aggressive attack...once the fire gets ahead and no lives are in danger, we definitely look at construction and collapse possibility.

Thank you Moms ( & wives ) ❤️

Thanks to their parents that raised them right.

Appreciate that very much!

We deal with obstacles as they appear...

tough one for sure

thank you

It's a duplex.

It is two homes connected

agreed

thanks

I'm a firefighter from Northern California, 15 years, EastCoast fire fighting infuriates me. What is it about actually putting out fire from inside the building that East Coast firefighters don't, can't, or won't comprehend? There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to evacuate the structure. Only cowards fight fire from the outside and I do not understand this whole sitting on the ground shit, you will never see that in NorCal. You call it master stream, we call it get the fuck off the ground and go put out the goddamn fire.

And how long time did it take to see them the other part of the roof is burning!? It took much to long! 😮

very misunderstood by many

@rivermcratt3683 hey west coast...the fire was being fought from the inside...two people were rescued...but there comes a time and a place to get out...look at that smoke up top. Cowards? No...but why necessarily risk firefighters lives to save a structure.

@@thejfrd2490 There is always that one guy who knows everything !!!

You are right...that is not good. Thanks for watching.

It seems like the communication was pretty bad. How long did it take for the fire to be spotted and discovered at the back? How long did it take for them to go in? In Europe there would have been a squad for a long time in, if not two. In my opinion, the orders were not good

​@@maximilian9474 The back isn't shown in this video so it could've spread TO the back at some point.

It was sad

@maximilian9474 they went in immediately...got two people out...the fire was hidden in the walls thanks for your input

Thank you!

The crews that were on the roof, sounded the roof extensively prior to stepping on it...furthermore, the firewall between the two units did exactly what it was supposed to do, and if you look, the firefighters stay on the unburned side...they were definately not put into a dangerous situation as you see it.

@@thejfrd2490 Absolutely agree, JFRD does things by the book. I've been on a few mutual aid calls to Jax,and many fires with JFRD helping my department and never seen any serious safety issues. We may not save every structure, but the goal is save lives and everyone goes home at the end of shift.

Too bad the OIC didn't call for attic extinguishment from the very beginning. That might have saved the rest of the structure!

@@thejfrd2490 I hope you don’t think I was taking a shot at this department ? Not by any means. I think everything went great . I was really impressed with the OIC. He’s a lot like my chief . Stays calm Sticks to the basics and pays close attention to detail . And I stand corrected with those guys on the roof . I didn’t realize at first watching this video that they were on the opposite side of the firewall . That definitely changes everything . I still wouldn’t have had them up there . But I feel better about it knowing that firewall was there. I’m all for aggressive firefighting and doing what it takes to save lives and property, I’m just always sketchy when it comes to roof ops and when you have that much fire in the roof area . In those situations I don’t put anyone near a roof . Especially when I have a ladder already in operation . Either way, again great job by all . Stay safe out there .

@@JB91710 They probably tried , but it looks like this fire had a jump on them before they even arrived . Once that fire got into that attic space it just took off on them 🎉. They probably tired but if you look at those interior conditions it pushed them right back out . At that point it’s just not worth putting anyone in harms way trying to get back inside . The only other way to get to that fire other then an interior attack would be to trench cut that roof . But again , at that point it’s just not worth putting guys up there . Once that fire self vented , put a ladder up and let that master stream handle it . Just like they did .

Glad you enjoyed it

Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡

thanks

@semproniodensso3353 I guess you aren't a firefighter....not as easy as you think sitting at home watching on TV

Some people are just angry...it will be ok!

Appreciate that

Thanks for watching

No, it's called Thank Their Lucky Stars as their approach was suicidal.

@JB91710 you have no clue what you are saying.

@@thejfrd2490 That means you must know where and how I am wrong. So, enlighten me.

@@JB91710 our approach was to locate and extinguish the fire...initial crews were hampered with having to rescue one resident that was bed ridden (manpower intensive) the second resident refused to leave, again forcing initial crews to have to deal with more than taking care of the fire...during this time, the hidden fire travelled and progressed. So please enlighten me how the initial approach was wrong. You speak like you were there and know everything that happened and you weren't... Your "know it all " attitude is what gets people hurt and killed...it is easy to sit back and second guess decisions made to feed your own ego...but to anyone who knows the business, you just prove your ignorance.

@@thejfrd2490 0:40 this is what is called, Being Observant. 1. Equipment is step up with lines pulled including a supply line. Ladders have been set which are accomplishing nothing. That takes TIME! MINUTES!!! 2. In all that Time, there have to be firefighters already inside dealing with the victims. 3. I count at least 10 firefighters in this sequence, and not ONE of them addressing the fire. 4. 0:24 That ladder nozzle could have been hitting that gable end vent and cooling the attic so the fire couldn't extend. 5. They have lines at their feet that one person could be directing at the soffit vents. All that from one still picture. That fire could have been controlled until an interior crew could have gone through the ceiling. I know how the human mind works at that Low end of the work scale. If there are victims to "Save," firefighting goes right out the window. The fire gets bigger and the adrenaline rush increases. That's why I say, a firefighter's mind set has to be on Protection by eliminating the threat first, because it is faster than getting fully dressed, assembling an entry team, getting the door open and then searching through a smoke filled and unfamiliar house to find victims when you have no idea where they are. Stop fighting me and LEARN SOMETHING!

Because firefighters were still inside and we would rather not steam burn them...but thanks for your input.

thank you

Actually, it proves they lack the ability to think because they are restricted by tunnel vision.

@JB91710 reply after reply...what a hater!

@@thejfrd2490 No, a TEACHER! Try Learning something by debating the FACTS! Not Just trying to guess who I am and what my motivation is.

@@JB91710 what are you teaching? First thing is first...you were not there, you do not have all the facts...anyone with any true experience knows that there is always more to it than meets the eye.

@@thejfrd2490 Everybody NEEDS to be there. I don't! The location of most of the fire is plain to see. I have already told you how they should have handled it. Try telling me where and how I am wrong, not excuses why you can't.

Exactly the opposite!

@JB91710 who do you work for? What is your experience?

@@thejfrd2490 Where I work or worked doesn't matter but everyone Needs to see credentials before they will believe anything different. Third Generation Firefighter from an extended family of firefighters. Plus, I'm a Three Dimensional, Outside the Box, Thinker, not just a reactor or follower.

@@JB91710 probably not even a firefighter.

@@thejfrd2490 Now you are joining the rest of the deadheads by resorting to guesswork instead of addressing my tactics. You have gone way beyond the point of Boring me.

Thanks Bob...appreciate you saying that.

Yep 💯

Did all that horse shit you spouted out make you feel better about yourself? Are you even commenting on This fire or some other one? Do you mean with 35 years of experience you couldn't have vented those windows and gotten hoses up the stairs to the second floor and stopped the fire before it burned the roof off? Fires are supposed to get smaller after the department arrives. Also, firefighters are not supposed to willingly allow themselves to get into hopeless and useless situations where they have to bail out in a life-or-death panic. My God you fit right in.

Awesome, thank you!

me too

Thank you very much!

learning opportunities for sure

thanks

The PASS devices go off, sometimes it takes the crews a minute to realize that it is actually their own going off...additionally, defensive fires leave you motionless for extended periods of time, and that is what sets them off to begin with.

Stop????

whatever

I was trying to be nice. Geez! I didn't want to say well saved the slab.

two homes connected

Thankful for his service

thanks for watching

appreciate that and your service.

@Cessna Driver Rotfl lol. You obviously do not know the building code NOR the fire code. If you did you would realize just how total irrelevant your comment was to what I was actually talking about.

It is a complex problem. To build houses that don’t burn to the ground within a matter of minutes, would make them even more expensive than they are. They are already so expensive most people can’t afford to buy one. We have a housing shortage that is getting worse. It is much worse in some places than others. An area with a fast growing population is especially bad. Multi family dwellings can’t keep up either. Something has to change in materials or construction, probably both, that can make them more resistant to fire. How many void spaces are in this structure? That makes design and engineering important factors. Fixing it is all hands needed with ideas and insight to see which ideas are better than others. Because of the vast differences in climate and other factors, this is not a one solution fits all kind of problem. The one thing that cannot be denied is that what is happening in new condition now doesn’t result in resilient housing. They are a hazard to residents and firefighters.

@@enid0mom They do not need to be fire proof. We need full dimension lumber and not all this thin lamented engineered crap that fails so very quickly. The further things get from natural materials into engineered materials the weaker they are when impinged by fire. Heck even strawbale houses are far safer than most modern homes. We have hours to work with in a strawbale house fire. We have to put markers on houses that are engineered or retrofitted with engineered materials so everyone knows when they arrive on scene.

@Cessna Driver Where in the world did I say we could/should build *fireproof* buildings? My exact words were “…more resistant to fire.” That is a big leap to fireproof. A bank vault might be fireproof but I don’t see how any dwelling, single or multi family, could be fireproof. The closest we get to fireproof is buildings like hospitals with doors rated to resist fire for a very long time that deploy when an alarm is set off. That confines the fire to one section. Apartments are built to compartmentalize the apartments as long as residents don’t do anything to compromise the design like leaving doors open. Look how fast the roof failed in this house. A house built before prefab trusses made from engineered wood came along would take much longer to fail. That is time for people to get out safely and even save a precious heirloom. They give firefighters more time to use aggressive tactics. They might be strong against hurricane strength winds, but not fireproof. Japan has proven that it is possible to make buildings virtually earthquake proof, but not tsunami proof.

@@lindanwfirefighter4973 I agree with everything you said except I never used the word *fireproof*

thanks

appreciate that Joe

Nope!

Thank you

Wow, thank you!

looks very unprofessional what they are doing There to be honest

Not too bad for a fireman right??

@@thejfrd2490 Better than 95% of videos on RU-vid!

thanks

the other side was saved...just some water damage

@@thejfrd2490 water damage and smoke can almost be as bad as fire damage!

@@MrScottie68 but also can still salvage items that you can't with fire damage or burnt completely.

Sadly, the main home is a complete loss...but the firewall did exactly what it is supposed to do in the attic space.

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thanks

Thanks

The fire is being investigated by the State Fire Marshal office...we try not to give too much information as we do not want to hinder their investigation in any way.

Who?

thanks

Thanks for watching

From that vantage point, it isn't easy

thanks

It is easy to make the command decisions after the fire and from a computer screen after the fact...but they were not there doing the work or putting their lives on the line...guess it makes them feel better about themselves.

Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡

Wait. Wait. Wait. Wasn't it said that the owner of the home was on the second floor and refused to leave? What ended up happening with that situation?

Once the fire vents vertically you want to keep the fire flow going that way. It also helps the FF's in the structure by reducing heat load, provides a known fire path, and gives ground lines a point to get water in the structure. The ladder pipe can't be put into operation until all the FF's are out of the structure. Hitting someone with that water stream will hurt them and can cause structural collapse. Depending on the apparatus these flow between 300 and 1000 gal's a min. That is enough water to pin someone to a wall or the ground.

@@straytrons3450 I fully agree that you should never operate an aerial master stream while you have FF’s inside, but I thought the IC called for a full evac of both floors.

@JoshK589 The windows were not being broken out until the order to get out was given...if you look at the intensity of the smoke at that time, the upstairs was ready to flash and it was hot with no visibility...getting the smoke out at this point was important as crews were still getting out...this helped with heat, visibility, and chances of flashover. Also, once the structure is not occupied, it gives outside crews a place to shoot water to try and darken it down more effectively.

@straytrons3450 You are correct! Good points.

@JoshK589 The order was given...this takes time as anyone who has worked in a structure fire know, some things said on the radio are not always heard...but the crews also have regress back out safely.

Not really...just what we do

"Life over property!" Always

I would say so, one way or another she be coming out under own power or being graded out.

We indeed got her out uninjured.

Maybe dementia.

@@thejfrd2490 Thank God!! Great Job everybody!!

You Can Refuse All Ya Want Everyone Gets Hands On … Firefighters Have A Job And Removing Anyone That Refuses To Leave Any Structures… That Resident was Removed.

Bring it on

We had crews inside...we do not shoot water from the outside with people inside...command called for a "PAR" which is an accountability system we use to verify everyone was out and accounted for.

I was wondering the same. It seamed having the ladder lines activated would have helped. I understand the answer that was given though.

Thank you 🤗

Initial reports of people inside

Can't save them all

That is true...we have a few variations of piercing nozzles...but not this ladder crew

Thank you

That is your perception...but not how I see it. Thanks for watching.

@@thejfrd2490 Its not just this video. It's most of them. You watch a building with some smoke coming out of the windows. Ten minutes later the firemen arrive. Twenty minutes later they put water on the completely engulfed building fire. I'm not the only one that noticed this behavior. If it was your house burning, you would feel a higher sense of urgency. I'd be using my own hose on the fire long before the firemen woke up.

@@Diantane obviously you are not a firefighter...we don't run on the fireground...people get hurt that way...each person has a job to do, you don't realize this and what is happening in this situation, but this is how we work. We save a lot of people, animals, and property. It is easy for you to sit back and watch a video to critique...but you are not informed enough of our jobs, policies, and practices....property can be replaced, lives cannot.

@@thejfrd2490 I fought fires in the Navy while serving on the USS America CVA-66 while in Vietnam and on until 1979. Once had to fight a fire wearing three piece suit and tie when they stopped us from going to dinner on the shore. We had three fires at the same time due to an arson (his wife told him that if the ship went to sea again, she was leaving him). On board ship its just us. The local fire department doesn't come to help. Firefighting fires on board ship is much harder. Everything is concealed spaces. So instead of the fire going upwards, it goes everywhere and on us. When fires broke out it was all hands on deck. We geared up and hurried to put the fire out. We can't just stand around and wait or we will lose our ship and have nowhere to go while at sea.

@@Diantane you are not comparing apples to apples my friend.

@towermandan and what would have you done differently?

agreed

I know. Would you put a fire out in your fireplace by climbing down the chimney?

Thanks for watching

No

@@Gruntm203 worthless reply

@@jmWhyMe your deck gun BS is a worthless statement!!

@@Gruntm203 without any explanation all you are is a troll

@@jmWhyMe hahaha, ok! Use the deck gun for your next back bedroom!!

From what I saw here, and I can see a lot, they did everything wrong, not right.

@JB91710 you cannot see everything from the video...and they did not do everything wrong.

@@thejfrd2490 You STILL have not said anything about this fire or how it was fought or where and how I am wrong!

@@JB91710 I have responded to multiple comments you have made...you are all over the place just taking shots...please tell me what department you work for, what is your experience?

@@thejfrd2490 You have responded with excuses and generic BS. You have never addressed how this fire should have been approached. Where I was a firefighter and for how long means nothing. My words speak for themselves. Adding an impressive resume doesn't change their meaning. If you need that, then you are a follower, not a thinker.

didn't go as we wanted, but agreed.

@@thejfrd2490 Good Luck in the future. Stay Safe.

Appreciate that very much!@@LarryVarner-zq5zd

🤦🏻‍♂️ Thats what you got out of this video? And felt the need to comment on it? I bet you’re a real gem to work with.

@@evanblackburn6173 These are things where life can depend on. So of course it is a point of intrest. Too many times I see video's with firefighters and loose waist belts. They do serve a purpose.

Of course they do serve a purpose...but to backup what you say, how many injuries and/or deaths can be directly attributed to your claim? I have never heard of any.

@@thejfrd2490 I have no statistics about it. But even if it is 1, it is 1 too many. I think we should agree that SCBA's are PPE's and that every PPE should be worn correctly in order to perform correctly. In this particular video it is highlited by the fact that a couple of firefighters get pulled out of the second floor. Persons on the outside cannot see if the SCBA's are worn correctly and do pull on them. Even if everything went OK at this fire, I do think it should be a point of interest since it does pose a risk.

@@marcopstal9584 lol. I think I have proved my point. Take care bud. Don’t forget your safety vest too!

What purpose did your personal attacks in your comment serve? Only detracts from any point you are trying to make.

@@lindanwfirefighter4973 personal attack??? Please be more specific

@shane stamball Sure. ‘Them “knuckle heads” on the Delta side...’. Your point was valid re they failed to read the smoke but was diminished by your words before that. Constructive criticism needs no personal attacks.

@@lindanwfirefighter4973 ok, let me rephrase it, "them idiots" those rookies, " those lawn irrigation specialist" hell might go as far as saying "arsonists apprentice" or how about "foundation saving specialist"

@@shanestamball1886 Did that make you feel powerful?

We are just doing our job....but thanks!

Not the outcome that we wanted.

thanks germany

Where do you live?

@@thejfrd2490 U.S

@@akhb1 you should ride with our crews…I think you would change your mind

@@thejfrd2490 Newark Ohio puts you to shame

Thats quite a career!!! I'm not that experienced, but after 22 years, I still love mine too!!

thanks for your input

I agree ugly oversized house, but generally no one has sprinklers in attic spaces. Elderly with dementia? If fire was in attic space, doubt is was anything the residents did, but if they have dementia, who knows! It eats the mind up.

typical moron statements, you know nothing of the homeowners but you proceed to skewer them w/o any knowledge. here is what is sad... is that you're a cunt of a man

It's a duplex. That is why it's big

What is sadder is your stupidity to see this is a duplex/multi family home.

@P4hs You will be hard pressed to find residential houses with sprinkler systems. This house was not really that big, in fact, this is an attached duplex.

This fire needed two things. Water through the ceiling into the attic and through the gable end and soffit vents. So, in this case, yes to, HIHFTY, but!

Thanks for watching

Great show!

ok

IMO this could be a bit of a gross oversimplification - especially without differentiating between wood as in actual lumber, vs lightweight engineered i-beams made up of wood flakes, and tons of flammable adhesives, for instance.

Lest we give you Brits too much credit for fire safety, you did have Grenfell tower after all. I wouldn't be quite so quick to point fingers across the pond!

It's Florida they don't have building codes

Sounds like a skill issue

What you don't understand is that not every fire is a total loss. It just doesn't make a good video...

Appreciate that!

The homeowner has had preferred streams saving his house...in any case... Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡

@semproniodensso3353 how many times are you going to use that line?? "look at me, look at me"

thanks

I disagree....homes back then were just as flammable, if not more flammable than today...the difference of todays homes are the contents and the damage they can do to humans.

The entire video is 10:46...how are you so keenly aware of time frames????

We had evacuated the building and that was our thoughts exactly

I disagree...this is a duplex, the firewall stopped it dead in its tracks...there is a straight line on the roof where the firewall was.