One test that seems stupid, but is important: do the earbuds still fit in the charger case with the largest included eartips installed. My Mifo O5 don't fit with the foam eartips, nor could my previous two different earbuds.
@@scarecrow5848 any 711 clone can do the job w a decent consistency. Also dankpods uses the minidsp ears that are pretty bad for measuring iems/headphones.
Maybe try having a fan next to you when doing the ANC test, my Sony's XM3 buds have this issue that even though they're silent everywhere, if you take them outside you will hear the wind brushing against them, which totally defies the point of ANC if I get extra noise, I could see that happening with this beyers due to how much they stick out. Also, some headphones have this issue where the ANC mic captures the wind and amplifies it instead of reducing it, so yeah, wind is important when testing ANC. I hope you take this into consideration! Apart from that great video as always!
I know what u mean. This is a major win for AirPod Pros. They are excellent while walking or cycling in the wind, even in transparency mode they don’t amplify the wind. Even better than my non ANC in ear buds from QCY and Jaybird.
Few, including LTT, ever mention the huge downside to foam [Comply] eartips: the TCO. You will regularly need to purchase new foam eartips and if they're Comply, the price is gonna add up quickly. Yes, there are objective sound and isolation benefits to foam/Comply tips. But you can wash/clean quality silicone ear tips. You throw out and replace Comply tips.
@@MrGamelover23 TCO = Total cost of ownership. A simple example is inkjet printers. Sure, the inkjet printers on the market are cheap for what they can do. But...check the prices for those replacement ink cartridges. Consumables are where companies get you most in your wallet. Which is exactly why considerations of TCO are critical and essential. So I love LTT, but they never ever mention the TCO of quality foam tips like Comply, which quite frankly, are the only ones worth buying in the first place but are really expensive. So unless you want to use filthy, compressed, earwax filled Comply foam tips beyond a few weeks [depending on your IEM listening habits], you'd better be prepared to blow a good bit of cash on those tips over the lifetime of the IEMs themselves. Which is why I only use Sony Hybrid silicon tips on all my IEMs with the right sized nozzles.. 85%+ of the seal with the right sizes and 100% reusuable/washable/cleanable..
Would't warranty cover that? the manual doesn't mention that you must replace the eartips (at least in the sony xm4) so if they wear out during warranty period they should cover it
A detail that I think is NEVER mentioned in TWS and wireless products is that their almost ubiquitous "extra bass" is there for a reason. It's not just because that's what people like in EQ, but no matter what level of ANC or isolation you have, when you're out of the house, unless your commute to work is a nature walk through an empty field, there will be destructive interference at the low end from everything - buses, trains, ferries, car tires, the thump of your feet hitting the ground (the highs do this too, but not as intensely) so every indoor test of wireless products really should include an outdoor test as well, with the low rumble and drone of more than just airplane noises piped through a laptop. Because even bassier non-wireless cans like my meze 99's suddenly sound a lot less overbearing on the low end when I'm wearing them on the train or ferry, and they isolate pretty well. I'm still looking for a good TWS alternative to airpods, and the closest I've found so far is the 1more comfobuds. They're small, light, the case shape and size is flawless, and they have a setting for WIND NOISE SPECIFIC ANC, which is absolutely stellar as a cyclist, and apple/samsung can't do for crap. Sound is okay, kinda neutral, but for $80 they smash the overall package of the galaxy buds pro's and their broken ANC.
There's a difference between mid bass and sub bass. A sub bass boost is recommended in this case. But a mid bass boost can make everything muddy sounding.
@@GiulianoM14 no, that's not how it works at all mate. It's algebra physics of waves. Destructive interference can't just be circumvented by pushing the extra DB further down the EQ into sub bass. The mid bass frequencies is where the destructive interference is coming from. Boosting the sub bass would just make the mid bass feel even more recessed. You need to boost the mid bass to overcome some of the destructive interference of your surroundings. That's why these "lifestyle" cans and meze 99's do it. They're specifically designed for mid bass destructive interference. I agree than if you want punchier sound in a more ideal listening environment, sub bass is where to add it. But it doesn't work in the "outdoor" cases.
It’s interesting to see how much competition has come up in the wireless earbuds space since the introduction of AirPods. I’m actually in the market for a new pair considering that my original AirPods are having a hard time holding a charge, so I appreciate these videos helping me with my search.
I've really enjoyed everything soundcore has put out. My soundcore 3's are by far my favorite earbuds. The app is by far the best I've used when it comes to customizing controls and the sorts (Sony, and jbls apps are trash)
Beyerdynamic DT770 pros are amazing. From a noob to this, the step up was mind-blowing.
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Agree, I'm listening to this on one. And this is my second pair of them. And probably get a third one if this dies in some unrepairable way (and it has really good serviceability which I was not aware of with the first pair; my second pair already got new ear pads).
@@donroxitheoverthinker As a noob with a 30$ amazon rgb headset, it is mind-blowing. For an audiophile maybe this is barely scratching the surface but to me the difference was day and night.
@@donroxitheoverthinker they arent the best headphones to ever see the light of day, but you certainly can never go wrong with these. Especially if youre just gaming and listening to music or watching a movie from time to time, dont waste your money on anything else. Mine are now almost seven years old, i believe? Never had a problem whatsoever. You just have to replace the ear pads from time to time (maybe every 2-3 years).
I love my 770 pros. Sure I added a touch of bass in a custom equalizer but they are certainly awesome. I'm looking to buy a separate DAC to remove PC noise (even though my mobo does a nice job, I wanna do more upgrades! Goodbye money!)
got sonys a few moths ago and am pretty happy with them. would have gotten these if they were out since I really like beyerdynamic. though the lack of LDAC support is a huge counter argument at this quality
I've had my eyes on the Sony WF-1000XM4 (seriously Sony, get better names though) for a good while now. Just can't afford them. If that's what you have, how is the battery life on them, and are they at all comfortable to have in while laying down on your side?
@@vincentellsworth7905 if wireless earbuds support the spec of the source audio then they will sound exactly as good as an identical set of buds using a wired connection. (All other things being equal). Most streaming services offer audio quality that is well within spec for wireless earbuds, especially with LDAC support.
Honestly this was important for me too when I decided which ones to buy a while until I realized my Spotify doesn’t support lossless yet and AAC is totally fine for the currently best music quality Spotify offers. Don’t overvalue these things. I tried LDAC with a s21 ultra and Amazon music lossless and didn’t really notice any differences.
Dt770 were my first audiophile headphones, i now own a few pairs of headphones, my most recent purchase being beyerdynamic tygr 300r and these are the best sounding open backs ive ever heard. Beyerdynamic has been releasing a lot of good products as of late.
I am huge fan of Beyerdynamics "house sound". Have had their 990 Pro, DT1990, T1 and countless wired earbuds over the years and even when going for more expensive headphones like Focals I just see myself gravitating back to example DT1990 that are half the price. Unfortunately just bought Jabra Elite 4 Active, but maybe in years time I'll try these out. How you are describing them with the intimacy of vocals, more sparkle on highs and the quality of bass is the reason I love Beyerdynamics.
Beyerdynamic headphones are brilliant. The first thing I saved up for when I got my first part time job was a pair of DT-990 premiums and headphone amp like 12 years ago. Still Incredible headphones today. Will likely upgrade from my airpod pro’s to these.
I think should have compared it to XM4s of Sony, they are ahead of Airpods and makes sense to be compared to this since Sony focused on Sound quality more than Apple did
It would have been nice to have the XM4s in the mix, but given the market presence of Airpods I think it was a good idea for them to use those as the base control.
Beyerdynamic is popular in the studio not because they are the most faithful reference but because they are durable and can be plugged into a hot signal. Good for monitoring live sound.
As a long time Beyerdynamic fan (already equipped with DT770 Pros, DT1990 Pros and DT700 Pro Xs) I was literally waiting for this review. I've seen some but really wanted to hear from a "trusted" RU-vidr. I just bought them right after this video.
@@nneeerrrd I am an Audio Engineer myself and I know what it is all about. If I have no chance to have a listen to these headphones on my own, I have to rely on other opinions. Data-Sheets are useless in these cases. So if there are many unanimous reviews on the Internet and one of them is by LTT, and if I have trust in the company Beyerdynamic, I feel confident enough to buy some. Because this is the closest I can get to understanding how they sound without listening to them.
@@Klackala They do a lot of Things very good. BUT the high end is very underwhelming to me, sounds like a ca. -8dB shelf at aroubd 12kHz to me. It is however adjustable with EQ in the App and on Android Stock EQ. I think it is pretty annoying that the announcer does occur everytime you switch Noise cancelling or transparency modes. I often could not hear, what people said to me because the announcer said "TRANSPARENCY MODE". I would love to be able to customize the tap combinations. This is all stuff that beyerdynamic can adjust via Software/Firmware update.
Even if The pros never came out, regular AirPods would have been the comparison as those are the “control”. Sony XM4s stand a chance at the headphone comparison but I don’t know if it’s as effective. Way more people have AirPods and AirPod pros than anyone does any other specific earbud or headphone type
Original airpods are super comfortable and dont extend out the ear too much. I use them as an open back earphone with wireless. Also because they dont extend out the earhole too much theyre perfect for sleeping with. Im sure the airpod pros are better if u want actual seal.
LMG spent tens of thousands of dollars on a severed head specifically for testing audio equpment in order to remove the human element and get consistent results, every time. It was so great to see that they've attached it to a short circuit hoodie and taught it to speak instead of letting it waist away.
I am very interested, but I have some questions. How much they weigh, but more importantly, where in your ear that weight sits. Is it well spread out, or well balanced across the ear? Do they remain comfortable if you wear them for the full 11 hours, how do they feel after 3 or 4 day's with them in for 11 hours a day? Does the way they sit cause strain inside the ear canal? How well do they stay in place if you lay on your side or back
Adam, by the way you described the audio quality of the instrumentation and the individual placement of the drums in the recording, are you a musician as well? Thank you for the attention to audio detail most people don't consider, and the level of knowledge you bring to the table at LTT! Cheers! 🍻
One test I’d like to see more of with ANC meeting earbuds much more commonly is how they perform in wind. My Soundcore anc earbuds are fine, but because anc uses the microphones to generate the noise offset pattern, wind hitting the mic on my Soundcore earbuds creates wind noise in my ears. I don’t recall having this problem with past anc earbuds. Maybe something worth including in your new labs testing.
@@falsemcnuggethope The sad thing is, the Soundcore Life A2 NC sound really good for the price (currently around $70, I paid $80 over a year ago). I'm by no means an audiophile, but I'm still picky. I just can't use the ANC nor the pass through outdoors because even a mild breeze hitting those mics is distracting. With previous earbuds with audio pass through, I enjoyed that feature when walking the dogs so that I could be aware of my surroundings. I've been considering an upgrade, but I've been burned on expensive audio products so much that I refuse to spend a ton of money, and it seems Soundcore is one of the rare brands with decent audio for cheap (as opposed to, say, Raycon which sound like every other cheap garbage I've tried). I've been a fan of Beyerdynamic for quite a long time, having owned a set of DT770 Pro for about a decade (they're getting worn out, time to replace those as well, probably with the same model). So the earbuds are attractive to me, but that price... For now, my sub-100-dollar earbuds are getting me by.
@@RonnieTheFish I had the XM3s. The XM4s are a significant improvement in sound, wireless connectivity, tech and noise cancelling. Make the jump whenever you can.
I'm not a fanatic of ads but I did buy a pair of vessi 2 years ago and yes I did had issue after almost a year but got a new pair free since they have a one year warranti and end up gbuying a pair for my wife it's really good the only thing I'll say is that they are defenitly warm so don't put them during very hot day if you don't want your feet to smell horrible. But contrast to this in winter they defenitly can keep you warm as long as you don't litteraly walk in a meter of snow it will be good enough and yes indeed keep your feet un-wet. Thanks vessi and thanks LTT to have make this sponsor 2 years ago
The mics on the beyer were significantly better. The apple airpods made you sound older and sort of raspy like those old classic films. Isolation sounded better on the apple airpods as the beyer had some background noise to it but in terms of accuracy the beyer was definitely better.
The Beyers sounded horribly overprocessed and you can hear how incredibly artifacted and choppy the sound is. The airpods Pro in comparison sound much cleaner albeit with a huge mid hump, likely intentional to emphasize the human voice.
So stupid question: If the DT 770 Pro are more or less like a de facto standard in professional audio gear (that's what I understood at least), and they cost no more than 180$... why the hell do headphones 300$ and up exist? Or can you not use reference headphones to actually listen to music?
I'm gonna join the comments raving on the DT770 Pros. I'm so glad they were my first jump past the $100+ price range. They're so comfortable and pristine, but I personally do recommend a select few dB in the bass range on your equalizer. You'll love them unless you're looking for some open-backs
The problem with the Airpods Pro is that Apple updates them without your knowledge and sometimes the update isn't all that great in terms of changes made to sound quality or ANC. It has been hit or miss in the past 3 updates on my Airpods Pro so far. Right now along with my APP, I have the Beats Fit Pro and Jabra Elite 7. I plan on getting the Sony Linkbuds S to see if they're better than what I currently have for the stuff I listen to. The Beyerdynamic look like they would be a bit too bulky for my tastes.
I know I'm kinda nitpicking here, but LDAC isn't lossless. It is one of the highest quality bluetooth codecs available at the moment, but some data is still omitted from the stream.
The transparency mode on my Sony headphones can pass through voices but still cancel background noise, and my Samsung buds don't do this. I'm curious what the transparency options are for other brands, to see which one is the outlier
been running skull candy for years because price/quality. this will more than likely be my upgrade finally. was almost the sony ones with a hole in it.
I would ask if you could walk around a mall, or an airport and listen to music/call and see if they have connectivity issues. I swear EVERY ear bud apart from over the head, and apple earbuds have problems popping and temporarily loosing connection.
Oh hell yeah I want that! Got 3 Headphones from beyer already but my Amiron Wireless are a bit much for listening on the go, the mmx300 gen2 are a bit techy for my liking and my Custom one Pro's are nice but wired. I will pick up a pair of these.
When are you guys going to start incorporating your new B&K 5128 into your reviews? I was hoping that more of the audio stuff would come with some objective numbers.
Listening to this review on my Beyerdynamic Lagoon ANC, an older pair of bluetooth headphones they make, seems weirdly fitting. But the big question: can those free byrds be repaired? That's the big thing that makes Beyerdynamic usually stand out because I could even repair my DT 990 from 1987 earlier this year with new replacement parts directly from beyerdynamic.
Lol, you think you're going to be repairing that? The thing is sweat-proof, you're not doing anything to them but filing a warranty claim. You need to look into IEM life, it's not the same realm as headphones
I have the tools to repair shit even that small, and handing these over to a proper repair shop that do it for the customer would also work if they can order the parts. Drivers, plastic cases, new batteries would all be easy to repair if they glue them shut in a way that can be undone by heat, and have that glue applied already on the replacement parts. Just because you guys can't do it doesn't mean nobody can.
Any chance you guys are going to start doing audiophile reviews of IEM's like Moondrop or Thieaudio or 64Audio? I've recently been enjoying Crinacle's reviews and would love to see fitting tests before ordering $300-$1200 IEM's.
I was so so sold until the AirPods Pro beat them out in ANC. Agh the new ones can't come out soon enough. My AirPods Pro are older hardware and have that horrendous buzzing issue.
Yea those make your ears look like they are Bolted to your head XD ughli.... BTW ....look suspiciously like Mah WF-1000XM4's from the recycled materials to the buds, earpieces and case. The XM'4 Buds are like trippy good. Sound quality, Noise cancelling (WHICH I am New to SOO Awesome) call quality, quality quality lol. I got the black ones new on Prime day for $160 Ill prolly rock these for years... Sony does Noise cancelling/ boosting very well.
