Hahaha so true. Younger people didn't witness his career unfold, they just can't understand, you had to see it to believe it. They probably think we're exaggerating when we say it's not even close but we're not ! And the more we dig into the stats, the more evident it gets 😅
If you dont like his criteria, create your own then make a vid present it to us and prove us wrong. Jxmmy is a bron fan but he like numbers. Our mind can lie numbers dont.
Yeah, i agree. I don't necessarily agree with all his criteria being worth as much pointa as they are. I don't imagine a scoring system I came up with would change all that much, though. MJ late 80s early 90s is still going to be amongst the top every season. I think assist should be valued at double. 1 assist is guaranteed to give you tem 2 points, for instance. I'd get rid of all star MVP for a scaling point system based on making 1st 2nd or 3rd all NBA teams. Magic would probably crck top 50 under those conditions.
I just love the look on this dudes face when he saw Jordan at the top😂😂 Then he tried to disqualify him by saying he didn't go to the finals that year. Butt hurt😢
For the younger guys here, I grew up on MJ in his prime, MJ's 1988 season he was League MVP, ASG MVP, Dunk contest champ, Scoring leader, Steals leader, Defensive player of the year, All NBA first team, All NBA defense first team...No player has won a scoring title and DPOY in a season and remember MJ is a guard in the big man era doing this...Not saying that to get into a GOAT debate because whoever your GOAT is, that's fine by me...I'm only saying the season doesn't lie and Jimmy isn't playing favorites, that happened...Even if you hate MJ, you can't deny that's a killer season if you're a true basketball fan
@@shade0180 Is there a point you are attempting to make? I am aware of that as he was very clear about that in the video, I was giving context to that season in video since I remember it…Do you?
Even if this video never existed...⤵️ Per game all-time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast. That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the only *only player in nba history* to accomplish that. Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk. That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great for sure but obviously not on MJ’s level.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’. MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in win shares per game in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs. He has the most scoring titles all-time. He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time. He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times. Lebron,Wilt,Russell,Kareem,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Luka,Jokic,Giannas...never did it once.Not one time. MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games. For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games. Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,410 games so far. Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games. And for the newly minted Wilt fans out there,he’s 10th all-time with 9 trophies in 1,045 games. There has never been a debate except for the fake one nick wright and shannon sharpe have been pushing for yearSS. That’s all the info they don’t tell the younger gen about MJ. It’s all lies,partial truths (which are lies) and hypocrisy on par with Hitler telling someone to stop being so mean.
It's funny. All the people who think it's rigged in MJs favor because he didn't add postseason awards fail to realize those things would put his championship season even higher. MJ would still have the most top seasons the years would just change.
I just love how your jaw dropped when MJ's numbers showed and how disappointed u were when u realized that your LJ is beneath MJ's when it comes to individual greatest seasons. MJ is the GOAT.
2+2 will always equal 4. No matter how you compile it, measure it, and weigh it. No matter how you add the numbers every different way, and what’s used as the measured stats. One dude always stands out. Now why is that? It’s hard to fathom when you didn’t witness it. But those who did know without having to even due the math. MJ was above everyone. Anyway you slice it you can’t skew it towards lebron as a better or the more skilled player. No one on MJ level. Ever.
Lmao chat saying "L criteria" when it's literally everything significant a player could accomplish over the course of the regular season. They be hatin' fr
@@chef_miku I mean isn't +/- literally supposed to be the average point differential when that player is on the court? So that to me seems like mostly an individual stat. I know lineups may play a factor but averaged over a whole season? I don't think that's enough of a team affected stat to be worth taking off. You could say the same about Win shares.
The All Star game used to be very competitive. ASG MVP mattered until somewhere between 06-08 season. Everyone took it seriously. Hard fouls, diving on the court, all that. But yeah nobody in the last 10 years has a significant ASG MVP.
The denial is so entertaining to watch,lol. When you thought Lebron was at the top of the mountain you had to pause the video to celebrate...but at the end of the video when you saw how far the gap is between MJ and Lebron at his absolute best all of a sudden numbers are deceiving. Well here’s some more numbers...⤵️ Per game all-time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast. That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the *only player in nba history* to accomplish that. Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk. That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great but not on MJ’s level clearly.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’. MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in win shares per 48 in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs. He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs. He has the most scoring titles all-time. He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time. He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times. Lebron,Wilt,Russell,Kareem,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Luka,Jokic,Giannas...*never did it once*.Not one time. MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games. For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games. Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,410 games so far. Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games. And for the newly minted Wilt fans out there,he’s 10th all-time with 9 trophies in 1,045 games. MJ is the best most complete player in nba history,not Lebron.
What's crazy is if you add in the stats that you said they left out to "rig the numbers" like MVP and post season success, Jordan's dominance would be more pronounced over Lebron since he has more of both lol.
I watched a segment on FOXSports for the first time in like a year, Nick Wright on Cowherd…the arrogance he spoke with while while not even trying to hide his distain and the disrespect to Jordan. But he wasn’t even trying to hide his bias, he literally said in his rant of poor excuses, “Lebron’s the more versatile defender.” He knows ppl are so bought in to the propaganda he didn’t just leave defense out. And if he thought Lebron was ACTUALLY a better defender he would have said “Lebron is the better defender” but he knows the numbers are SO lobsided in favor of MJ as a defender that he just replaced “better” with “versatile” and everyone commented how Nick ripped it so hard. He’s purposely poisoning the truth about how crazy dominate MJ was, and he does it because “the goat debate” gets the best ratings for the mega media conglomerates he works for and they pay him to lie to you
He's not PICKING Jordan. MJ was and still is the best to ever play in the NBA. I know you desperately want it to be LeBron but you young dudes need to let it go. It's over.
These numbers don't' even do MJ justice. They literally changed the rules to allow for more scoring. He would be even more levels above. And Mj was losing in the playoffs with no other all stars on his team. Literally not a single other all-star to teams that went on to win the finals and be considered a goat team of all time. Scotties first allstar year he had a migraine in game 7 in 90 when they lost to the pistons. Mj not winning ealry is overblown because he was facing celtics and pistons with nobody on his squad
you nba fans say a stat is rigged because you dont know what it means LMAO. if you didint know what ppg meant that would be rigged to make jordan win too right?yall just mad jordan was at the top its just fact just accept reality stop being delisounal
When he brought up jordan and lebrons best season, lebron was actually better in the playoffs that season. Lebron James: 129.3 Michael Jordan: 117.3 Even if you want to use both regular season and playoffs, lebron still beats him Lebron total: 249.5 Jordan total: 247.1
@@imspyy yeah because you have to be great on both sides of the court not just offense and he didn’t do playoffs because it’s individual and to be able to get deep in the playoffs you have to have a good team around you in the regular season everyone can play the same amount of games and you can truly judge their season can’t do that with playoffs because someone might get knocked out of the playoffs because of bad teammates like Bron in 09 and Jordan in 89
Facts are facts...MJ played 13 seasons with The Bulls and still he managed to make this list 11 times...no one else has more than 5 on this list....MJ is the G.O.A.T. and has been since day one and everyone else is losing their ever loving mind trying to catch up to him (no chance they'll surpass his greatness)...if anyone catches up to MJ or surpasses his accomplishments/stats in 15 seasons (13 full seasons0, check the person's DNA because they won't be human...👽💯💥✌
🤣 how many times does it take MJ to be on top (usually by FAR) for people to realize he's the GOAT - BY FAR? Is every single evaluation "rigged" for MJ? or is he actually THAT good? You can count things like "number of headbands worn in a game" trying to give Lebron more accomplishments and you won't even come close to half MJs actual accomplishment list.
lol. jimmy is doing this using numbers and now you are telling us that he will pick jordan. lol, it has nothing to do with how he feels. the number speaks for themselves.
MJ's 1988 season is widely considered to be the greatest individual season in NBA history before this video was ever made. Youngsters don't know how to really spot talent.
Bro, Jordan was so dominant though. Numbers may be deceiving, but the man literally has all bases covered - dominant stats, the achievements, the player testimony (even the cross era players who played Lebron and Jordan not only say Jordan was the greatest but "by far"... this includes Kidd, Ray Allen, Kobe, Pierce, KG, and a few that I'm forgetting). Lebron's amazing... but think about this. When Lebron has a 40+ point playoff game, people consider it one of the best of his career. Jordan AVERAGED 40+ in 5 playoff series, including once in the finals. Jordan singlehandedly has 7 of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages of all time, all on blistering efficiency. Kobe, Lebron, and even Wilt don't appear once on that list. Aside from this, he has the highest PER, game scores, win shares, VORP (per 48, not longevity based).... literally 1st in history in all important advanced stats, not only in the regular season but in the playoffs.
You feel like Lebron being the GOAT is a fact? There's literally no metrics that Lebron is greater at than Jordan except for longevity, not only that, Lebron doesn't even try on defense for half his career, and it's gotten progressively worse over the years. It's fine to just say he's your favorite player, but GOAT? Not close.
Lebron fans want to end life right now. These stats are insane. MJ is light years ahead...competing against himself. Anyone who thinks Bron is in MJ'S class...you seriously need help. This is true facts over feelings.
It’s always interesting LBJ fans will say LeBron is the goat bc he has most points, more rebounds and more assists. Westbrook has more in all these categories than Steph Curry, but nobody thinks Russ is better than Steph…no matter how people crunch these numbers, Jordan always comes out on top. It is what it is
Why this dude complaining. He didn't include championships. Like you said why not put dunk and 3s in if we doing ASG MVP. Lebron still didn't do any of that. But someone made a great point if you didn't see him play its hard to say he the GOAT. But if you only seen highlights, documentaries and his stats on any basketball site. How can you deny he the GOAT.
That's not true. The truth is, anyone who say Jordan play would consider him the goat. And a good majority of unbiased people that have actually watched replayed games and videos, and recognize the per game and season statistics and aren't blind are the rest. Then there are people that have never watched or really looked at stats and are under 30yeas old. Those are the ones that think it's Labron. And they are wrong.
For some reason, the LBJtq community is delusional. They believe men can be women and that LBJ(little boy james) is better than MJ (Master Jordan).. The King James Bible is similar to The King James of basketball. They both are copies, and they both aren't complete.
dude, just because you want LeBron James to have been the goat he’s not. Numbers don’t lie dude you think the best that you have seen is LeBron James, but trust me when I say this Jordan head games to where he scored 60+ points, LeBron James has never done that.
Sounds like you and some of the people in your chat is in denial and just to let you know Jimmy highroller is a LeBron super fan he just can’t deny what the data and numbers say
Seems like there are a lot of butthurt LeBron fans in here!🤣 Less talking and more listening. He will explain. I am from Chicago, and I saw MJ play live, often. He is the GOAT. Unlike Lebron, he made the game look smooth and effortless. Lebron is a bull in a China shop.
Jxmy is a LeBron fan he isn’t playing favorites… Jordan is the GOAT but LeBron is an all time great too, how about we just appreciate greatness when we see it
Embiid would have 97.3 this year. Could be more if he gets an all defensive spot: +10 All star: +10 Plus he should be winshares and VORP should still go up during the rest of the season. 120+ points sounds like an MVP to me ngl.
As per usual, LeBron fans cannot or will not face facts that there boy is not in the same class as MJ. They have all bought into the hype started by LBJ himself, when he put the title of GOAT upon himself. There is a statement out there attributed to Walter Payton, "When you are good, you tell everybody. When you are great everybody tells you." MJ has also done something that has not been duplicated since, that is winning a scoring title and a DOPY in the same season, which the 1987-88 season. So LBJ has a long way to go be even have a sniff of the greatness that is Michael Jeffery Jordan.
I like people questioning these numbers... these criteria. The criteria show why and how numbers can be skewed. Like for instance -- why take out MVP but include DPOY. MVP people have been robbed -- but people have been robbed for DPOY before too... and it highly favors position / big men. So why not just ... if you want to go for who was the best set up a point system for who is the league leader in "everything" that matters. Not just point, rebounds and assists.. but why not steals, blocks, etc? Or why not a scale for being top at your position for those. Also I mean although consistent with the league... this heavily HEAVILY favors certain aspects multiple times... if you are the league leader in points, you get 5 points. But you also get all those extra points in criteria 2 for PPG... AND PER is calculated bases partly on "how many points you score" -- yes there are other things in the formula, but having more points gives you higher PER. don't get me wrong -- it does the same thing for... assists... and rebounds. But why should those be counted multiple times, but steals and blocks shouldn't be? Are rebounds always more important to winning a game than a critical block or steal? I'm just sayin'. And I'm saying this having no problem with the outcome of the video and know MJ will have slightly lower blocks than a lot of big men... but has amazing blocks for his position. And saying this knowing his steals ain't NOTHING to scoff at. But as entertaining as Jxmy is... as a stats nerd... I'd love to sit down with him and run multiple calculations and see if things till turn out the same, and to take out every time he says "just because" -- because anytime you add in a criterion just "because" -- nah, just nah. If you're gonna claim to do this using the numbers... USE THE NUMBERS. And if you have a great reason for using some and deleting others, justify it fully.
Even if you go by any stats, MJ would still be on top. MJ was the league leader in steals 3 years in a row in the 80s and scoring title 10 times. The GOAT just doesnt have any weakness.
No disrespect to you but you're not a good listener in the beginning he said that sometimes players who deserve MVP don't get it so that's why he didn't have points for being MVP of the league. I'm editing my comment because it's another thing that you didn't pay attention to the last part of your video the guy explains that this is a five-year stretch like he said he didn't want to base it off of one season or two he based it off of 5 to see who had the best five-year stretch in their Primes I think if you were a better listener you would be so much more intelligent the keep doing what you doing young man I'm rooting for you basically in a five-year stretch you would have to reach 120 on average every year to get to 600 after 5 years if you were paying attention to him earlier he said if you were an MVP candidate you had over 100 points
So 11 top seasons in 13 actual seasons vs 5 in 23 or 24 hmmm. Ill be damned lollllll. Black jesus the one and only. When you really break things down us 40 plus year olds being so defensive of his legacy kinda speaks for itself. Washington he wasnt ass either actually a great season for anyone but him because he was that great. 25pts a game on a bum team which is why he tried to help.
Its the oposity. If you want to check who is the greatest of ALL TIME. You NEED to study the players you couldnt whatch play. It impossible to have a respectable opinion without do it 17 00
You really love lebron and hate jordan yet Micheal has never done anything to you personally but thats how you react to jordan why do you react to jordan knowing you dont like him
