Nutrient Control & Treating Dino / Cyano : Dinoflagellates and Cyano Bacteria in your Reef Tank 

Good to know vibrant worked for it! how long did it take for you?

@@ReefDudes at the time I started dosing I had bad bubble algae as well as dinos smothering everything. My tank was actually running wonderfully at about 1 year. I had 10 ppm nitrates and low phosphate. What caused mine was I bought a coral from a local store that had it. Went away on vacation for a day and when I came home tank was completely smothered. Tried kalkwasser to raise ph. Water changes. Not doing water changes. Blue lights only. Nothing worked. During this time bubble algae set it. I had never had it in previous tanks so just thought one bubble isn't bad I wonder why people don't like this. Then it rapidly spread all over. With both plagues I decided to turn to vibrant after using dino x which I honestly feel like they just put water in a bottle because nothing happened. With vibrant within two weeks a completely bubble algae dino covered and smothered 300 gallon system was cured. Before that I faced bryopsis I picked up on rock. Easily cured with elevated tech m by Kent marine. Bad hair algae which I cured with fluconazole. Ich brought in on a powder blue which spread to my other fish. Everything I read said you cant get rid of ich once in. My theory is we all have it just goes dormant. But I used focus and metroplex on the foods my tank most readily accepted and after a few weeks which made sense because of life stages of ich it has stayed away for nine months now. No one ever died.

Same here. When you say dinos do you mean dinoflagettes? I was going to try vibrant when I thought it was green hair alggae mixed with diatoms. Just wondering if vibrant worked for dioflagettes. I would like to try that first espially since I dont know what I am dealing with and this method is pretty drastic and I have to buy a lot of stuff!

@@dopenessofsorts how is your tank now 2 years later?

Glad you enjoyed it

Happy to hear it got rid of it for you! (Too bad about the clown). The reviewed version is aimed to make it a lot easier to follow and using more common/easy to find stuff. 🙏

Personally I would just take the cup off and put a bowl or something on it upside down.. skimmers is awesome at adding oxygen to the water which is one of the goals

Either will work, essentially the same pump

@@ReefDudes ok Thanks

Rob Galvin I have personally never tried it on Cyanobacteria. I know for sure it works on Dino.

It’s fine to turn off for a few hours after dosing. It will likely remove some but as long as most of it makes it onto Surfaces it will do its job

Just keep it above 0

Mine is to! Did yours start this after this method or before. Mine has been doing this for 5 days. I was carbon dosing and I quit and that about when I started noticing this stuff on sand and glass and wavemakers. Looks like GHA on my rocks but maybe the dinoflagettes. Did the dinos make your skimmer go nuts?

Dino is the only one I know of

I've heard of people who's RODI wasn't fully doing it's job (i.e. needed some filters/Di resin change), was letting silicates through which diatoms feed on I believe. However, haven't seen it personally, and if your rodi's still good then guessing that isn't the cause. Equally people running refugiums are recommended to dose certain elements that are used by the algae, wanna say like iron, molybdenum and few others, so could be that a particular element in the water is essentially the limiting factor to that organisms growth, and when you water change you add some more 'fuel' in that element back in. But again couldn't give you any advice in how to fix that, or even I.d.

Phil Landau I don’t think it’s required

The purest vodkas are triple distilled and filtered 10 times on activated carbon. It's a "brewing" process. Smirnoff vodka is recommended, I used the n°21 vodka by Smirnoff

Waste away is the important one to fight Dinos. the other is to help re-establish the good bacteria after trying to tone it down with h2o2 either should work. as for the dose i'm not 100% but its more of a safety than anything so go with whatever the bottle recommends for cycling a tank

80 is fine :)

Just cut back your dose

weed killer

Siphon what you can pre treatment then treat

@@ReefDudes Should I see a difference by day 3?

Every well could be. No concrete answers on what causes it but the theory is an imbalance or lack of nutrients.

I can also agree with this i removed 2 clowns and a large piece of live rock and boom dinos to.

Currently having the same problem. Really enjoyed the video and I’ll be trying it (I have some ATM outbreak from a year ago, would that be ok?). Introduced a fish to the system which unfortunately developed white spot. Started to pass it onto the others so pulled everything out to go into quarantine. A few days later the dinoflagellates started 😩 if I’m dosing the bacteria will I need to dose anything due to there being no fish in the system? Thanks again for the video I’ll record how I’m getting on and will include you in the video 👍

It affects alk? I would have never of thought there would be a coloration there.

@@ReefDudes Yes Randy Holmes has an article on it that I found after discovering the increase in alk. Safe to say corals are not happy as it increased that amount with 3 days. Po3 was 15-20 now reads 1ppm. "If you have a lot of existing nitrate and it gets consumed by macro algae bacteria so that the actual nitrate level drops alk will rise. In the absence of o2, and taking the nitrogen species completely to n2 we have the following overall: organic + 125 no3- + 124h+ 122 c02 + 70 n2 + 208 h20. It can be seen that the process above produces alkalinity by consuming h+. in fact it is the same amount of alkalinity that was depleted when the nitrate was originally formed from foods, so the net effect of the nitrogen cycle on the alkalinity is zero out"

@@SNBI2A Thats a fairly drastic change in nutrients for such a short period. Thanks for the info! really good to know!

@@ReefDudes it does affects alk.

Put it under a baffle, powerhead, pump intake,, rock.. ect. :)

Thanks for that helped a bunch. Got one question if I have 0 nitrates and phosphates should I continue to dose them to try and get the numbers up while doing this I'm on day 5 so far not sure if I should of been doing this from.day 1 or not?

@@BROmani88 0 is bad.. you want to have some.. so export less or feed/dose more nutrients to the tank.. Low is fine.. but you dont want 0.

@@ReefDudes Thanks again just dosed neophos and neonitro your videos have helped me out so much! Thank YOU!

Phil Landau nope. Think of the shallow shore line and all the fish. Tons of bubbles from then waves crashing

As the bacteria colony explodes it will consume oxygen in the tank. You can try adding an air bubbler to increase aeration, open some windows, if possible draw in outside air ect.. all can help.

If I leave the skimmer just to overflow is that bad? Sorry for all the questions

@@Wise7771 Thats what i do :) I take the cup off then put a bowl on upside down so it doesnt splash and spills over

Thanks Dev😊

It’s possible. Something may want to fill that space.

@@ReefDudes yeah, I kept my lights very blue for several days prior to starting the dosing. I just added to my CUC, so hopefully they can get it going.

I have never used Dino X so cant comment.. I know it can be a bit harsh on coral.

@@ReefDudes maybe I'll try this method first and then dino x if needed

@@rrrreefer9721 Solid plan!

I take the skimmer cup off and let it overflow (generally put a bowl on top upside down to prevent the mess too

@@ReefDudes I don’t run a skimmer or a sump, I’m running an external filter , my question should of read “without a skimmer”? sorry I should of re read what I sent…

@@dazsboxofwater Its more for adding oxygen, you could add a limewood airstone on an airpump for lots of micro bubbles

@@ReefDudes and just Carbon dose directly into the tank ?

@@dazsboxofwater yep, its to feed the bacteria and up the army :)

They are different strains / types of bacteria. Waste away is important. You can use mb7 Instead of colony

Any will work but smoother / more filtered ones will be more pure and likely better for the tank

Was posted to the reefdudes Facebook group(link in description). If you search Dino in there it should show up

Intresting way to do it!

Ah the pink cotton candy looking one. Thankfully I have never had/seen that one. I’ll have to dig into it more

@@ReefDudes it was tougher than turf algae because not even flucanazole works on it, turbo snails wont eat it. only bleach kills it.

@@PokePackFire That does sound nasty!

Urchins would probably eat it?

My phosphates were .32 and still got dinos.