Nutritious or Non-Nutritious Substrate for Mushroom Growing?

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This is a re-edited version of a video from the old channel that was originally released on July 4, 2022. In this video I go fairly in-depth into the pros and cons of substrate types in edible mycology.
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@Mycophilia Год назад

Fully sterilize the Like button and the 🔔 icon, otherwise you’ll contam tf out! 😢🎉 🐻 👽

@Lexington-Felix 11 месяцев назад

YOU VOICE SOUNDS LIKE A GUY NAMED GARY FROM ANOTHER GREAT SHOW JUST LIKE YOURS WHEN YOU'RE HIKING LOL 🍄🤍

@Shaktipat6 Месяц назад

I love your style, insertions and the edits with no pretense and not wasting your time making it “perfecto”

@leosullivan9228 21 день назад

truly thank you for ending the branding fetish trendsters

@blemisheddiscgaming6464 Год назад

Insert "coir lovers" here.

@kannix386 11 месяцев назад

i'm not totally sure what he means by coir lovers. is there maybe a different code for them?

@VoodooBrown 11 месяцев назад

@@kannix386raised to the 3rd power

@bob1881 11 месяцев назад

@@kannix386 He means coco-coir. Look that up.

@kitc1031 Год назад

So so interesting. Thank you Sage. The forest was beautiful!

@Mycophilia Год назад

Thank you Kit! I wish I still had the original file, the resolution was so much better but glad you enjoyed :)

@xj11w2c7 Год назад

The more I learn the more I agree with you. You don't need all the additives they make things more likely to go sideways. That being said I do still throw a handful of gypsum in my grain when I'm soaking it overnight. In my opinion it helps the grains not stick together

@kiesha104 Год назад

Great info. Your editing is almost unrecognizable.. lol Happy almost new year..

@Mycophilia Год назад

Glad to hear that! Thanks you too!

@waccamawscout5566 Год назад

I’m new at growing working on my first now and I want to thank you for your content. It’s helped me a lot. Thanks

@Mycophilia Год назад

✌️

@Mettabeshay Год назад

dude I love how critical you are of the standard. brilliant

@Mycophilia Год назад

Thank you 😊

@mastertrey4683 12 дней назад

Yo Metta! love your videos dude

@CheesieGamer 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the knowledge ❤

@ProvidingSpam Год назад

Thank you for putting time into this

@Mycophilia Год назад

🍄 ❤️

@eileendelgrosso8481 Год назад

Thank you, love new info . Makes sense. I will try just coir on my next tub, would love to get more than one fruiting cycle.

@AJManol 7 месяцев назад

VERY helpful, thx Man! 🙌🏻

@Genix718 Год назад

I’m on my first tub grow def gonna keep the coir info on hand for my next grow.

@sssmike35 Год назад

great info brother.

@Mycophilia Год назад

🍄 ❤️ !

@dannyverhamme7970 10 месяцев назад

The forest you walk through looks somewhat magical with those beautiful Ferns everywhere.

@Mycophilia 10 месяцев назад

It is! Wish I was there!

@ymm424 5 месяцев назад

can you mix dung (sterilized/pastuerized) and coir as the substrate? And, I think you answered this...but do you need to sterilize/pasteurize coir? Thanks

@ObakuZenCenter Год назад

Excellent subject and always good to see your 4k nature walks. Thank you. Though I am a little confused concerning straight coir and not contaminating. My understanding is that to avoid trich, it's a good idea to add things to the coir that change the ph level, discouraging trich. Would you say this is correct or a misunderstanding?

@Mycophilia Год назад

With clean spawn coir should not trich out as there’s nothing for the trich to eat. If you do have trich problems though (I.e. a large amount of trich spores floating around your home), then gypsum does help, and even adding a little pickling lime also

@DeathbyButterflies1 8 месяцев назад

what if you sterilize the coffee vs just pasteurize it? i work in a coffee shop, and have access to a lot of free grounds

@enigma1487 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Sage 💜

@Dave300AMG Год назад

Good info thanks pal ...Regarding coffee absolutely stay away from it !!!!! I use it in my garden to break up and refresh old soil its a magnet for trich that is why I use it for my soils . Top channel 👍

@Mycophilia Год назад

Thank you 😊

@Monkeybunch100 Год назад

every time you do the COIR LOVERS I just die laughing! You live in absolute paradise!

@Mycophilia Год назад

😂

@williamj1813 Год назад

Thank you for the information.

@Mycophilia Год назад

👽 🍄 ❤️

@beekeeperd.7656 Год назад

Nice. Knowledge is power.

@Mycophilia Год назад

💯

@alexandurrr Год назад

This is so interesting! I’m trying coir but using my hydroponics nutrients. I use it to hydrate my coir then squeeze to field capacity.

@isaacordonez2591 Год назад

How did that work out for you?

@MissBlackMetal 2 месяца назад

Oh man, the walk through the woods video is really triggering my motion sickness :( appreciate the info though, thanks You mention not adding coffee because it's super high in nitrogen and that encourages contam -- is spent tea contam-encouraging like coffee? Also, what about using spent coffee or tea sterilized and mixed with grains? Any opinions?

@ThirdEyePhilosophy 5 месяцев назад

So I'm venturing into the hobby and I'm left super curious about one thing....I've got a table top composter that turns kitchen scraps into soil in a matter of hours. It's amazing for plants. Left wondering if you could replace manure with this kitchen scrap soil compost? NOBODY is talking about it, could be a good video topic. Thanks for all you do!

@adriancordova8747 4 месяца назад

have you tried it ? and if so how did it go?

@gabrielsowder9597 5 месяцев назад

What are the best coir loving strains?

@XxriflashxX Год назад

Hey sage , just wanted to ask , I’m a newer grower and am getting prepared to spawn to bulk, I have eco-earth reptile coco choir , my question is should I start with a cvg mixture or should I try with straight choir for my first time ?

@Mycophilia Год назад

Straight coir will work fine, they’re all non-nutritious. Just focus on your sterile technique and get spores or LC from a reputable source to ensure clean spawn, as dirty spawn is the main cause of contaminants rather than a non-nutritious substrate

@XxriflashxX Год назад

@@Mycophilia thank you so much for the reply ❤️ instead of doing a full shoe box I found so smaller Tupperware in my kitchen I’m gonna experiment with those first then try for a bigger grow ❤️

@jmichel70 Год назад

Thank you

@LarsLarsen77 7 месяцев назад

Verm adds moisture holding capacity to coir. If you measure the moisture content you'll find it's higher.

@SparQz 7 месяцев назад

I want to have a test done on some clones and see if there is a potency difference in nutritious vs non

@CashMazy 9 месяцев назад

You still have to soak and hydrate the coco brick right? Do you still have to sterilize or boil coco?

@Mycophilia 9 месяцев назад

Yes hydrate with either cold or hot or boiling water. I use boiling water to help break down the cellulose to make it easier to digest for the mycelium.

@sawyerbarnes7439 Год назад

Great video! Have you done any potency tests? Willy myco says he gets more potency with the additives in the coir.

@cinderblue3251 2 дня назад

Please provide more info

@sawyerbarnes7439 День назад

@cinderblue3251 nope secrets are secrets..... jk, look up "willy myco" first off. But coir isn't nutritional so adding some will increase potency. (Mine bruise almost black)

@houstoner1320 Год назад

Do you think there's a correlation between using some extra nutrition in your sub and the amount of flushes you get from it?

@Mycophilia Год назад

Depends. More flushes does not necessarily mean better, it could mean that the genetics you’re working with need multiple flushes to expend itself versus one or two flushes, the latter being better. The amount of nutrition in grains is massive relative to the amount of substrate we give, so it’s absolutely not necessary to use a nutritious sub with coir lovers.

@loyaltyisroyalty5616 Год назад

I’m using manure based sub this grow and it’s colonizing super fast. Here’s to hoping it stays contam free.

@Mycophilia Год назад

🤞

@johnshahan2506 Месяц назад

Can you add nitrogen fertilzer to your substrate like liquid 32 or something like it

@BigMush9000 Месяц назад

This is a question I've been asking more and more lately

@davids11131113 Год назад

I’ve been using just coir for a while and it works just fine for me, great pinsets, and never contam. I just use about 50/50 spawn to substrate, don’t skimp, it’s fast and the grain itself has plenty of nutrition for the mycelium and mushrooms.

@Mycophilia Год назад

I’m all about coir as well, although I like to at least go for a 1:2 ratio especially for coir lovers. Thanks for the comment!

@RS-uw2zm 11 месяцев назад

New to growing. Just so I'm clear, when going to monotub, just mix grain spawn and pasteurised coco coir in equal parts. No verm, no gip,

@davids11131113 11 месяцев назад

That’s all I do yep, just coco coir. @@RS-uw2zm

@mastertrey4683 12 дней назад

6:18 This brightened my day. Thank you for this.

@Mycophilia 11 дней назад

Glad to hear that :)

@DG-iw3yw 7 месяцев назад

Can i use my brown rice flour without doing brf? got a big bag of it and want to stick with grain

@Mycophilia 7 месяцев назад

You'll have to use BRF, but you don't have to do PF TEK either. You can just spawn them to bulk, like with any grain.

@matthewt.pinkham5581 Год назад

Is there a list of strains and what their best grow medium consists of?

@seanmadrian4061 2 месяца назад

I need that too

@RawTubeTV Год назад

Great Information! Thank you so much!!

@Mycophilia Год назад

Cheers!

@Houseofmycology 6 месяцев назад

Sage are the Alabama swabs stone producers? How do I grow these? Coir?

@Mycophilia 6 месяцев назад

Coir lovers, no stones

@Houseofmycology 6 месяцев назад

@@Mycophilia ok can I purchase a stone producer from you? Those make you trip correct? I’ve never had them!

@kitc1031 Год назад

I did as you asked and I wore gloves. 😂😂

@Mycophilia Год назад

🎊 🏆

@jackiezhang2907 8 дней назад

For growing PE, which is naturally found as a poo lover, do dune substrate will make a big positive impact in yield ?

@Mycophilia 8 дней назад

Not at all.

@tommypham1101 Год назад

Is it possible to recycle coco coir substrate with the old mycelium with new grains? I try looking around all over the internet but wasnt able to find much information.

@Mycophilia Год назад

I would not do that, just not worth wasting good spawn on old spent (still colonized) coco.

@koukouzee2923 Год назад

I believe paul stamets mentioned that paturising used substrate and putting fresh grain in it gives bigger flushes He said that about gourmet wood lover mushrooms idk about *poop lovers*

@Mycophilia Год назад

@@koukouzee2923 interesting. Someone wanna experiment and report the findings? 😉

@koukouzee2923 Год назад

@@Mycophilia heck yea I'm feeling like doing expirements lately

@tommypham1101 Год назад

@@koukouzee2923 yeah wouldnt the new myclieum (grains) just cannibalize the old coco coir that (200F oven sterile) . well coco coir is cheap but just curious. last thing i want is waste time with contam and trich.

@ASJ.. 8 месяцев назад

Didn't realize coir was the key until watching you Sage

@Dylanschillin 2 месяца назад

For chicken manure, i find if you properly compost it and age it, then it'll be similar to most other manures

@tinonie100 2 месяца назад

Interesting. Chicken manure works great for me. Although I will have to try cor instead of cvg.👍🏽

@McCOOL-vo1un 11 месяцев назад

Are you in Japan here?

@showbread9366 Год назад

So you don’t pasteurize the coir at all?

@Mycophilia Год назад

Nope, just boiling water/bucket tek

@theredstormer8078 Год назад

At around 10:00 you say you talk about field capacity in your videos and to go over it. I can't find a video specifically centered around that. I know what it is but it's hard to find anything specific like that on your channel.

@Mycophilia Год назад

True, I used to have some on my old channel but I haven’t reposted them. I’ll be sure to cover it more in-depth on here!

@theredstormer8078 Год назад

@@Mycophilia okay thank you that's good to know!

@tommroy Месяц назад

Just from my personal experience, I find that manure based sub colonizes faster and produces better fruits than CVG. I haven't tried coir as a stand alone sub. I'll continue to experiment but currently I feel manure is better. Seems like all things are moving to easier, like e-biking...

@philipholman9898 3 месяца назад

I do know , the trich infected cvg tub cake I tossed behind my shed in compost, DID way better than inside when sitting in CVG

@Mycophilia 3 месяца назад

That’s something to do with your end rather than the substrate.

@pacer8975 Год назад

Great video sage. Trim out all the fat and what's left to grow coir lovers? Spawn for nutrition and coir for water that's it!

@Mycophilia Год назад

💯 😊

@greatwhitecoyote 7 месяцев назад

Do you have a manure + coir substrate recipe ??

@Mycophilia 7 месяцев назад

50/50

@greatwhitecoyote 7 месяцев назад

@Mycophilia what do you recommend for a manure store brand ?

@LazerCatHelmet 6 дней назад

Dollar store foam ice chest and a block of coir. Still steaming the next day. Then it sits for a day at field capacity and then it gets nuked in a turkey bag for good measure. Now heres the kicker.. I dont put it in a tub. I S2B in a shallow bed outside in the shady spots. But the sterile techniques give it a good start and they love it out there. The real issue is that bears and rodents love it.

@Wavy_Gravy Год назад

Coir and worm poop from my backyard has increased colonization time in my substrates. So if ppl want a happy medium i use that.

@marcorodriguez719 20 дней назад

i use a CVG 95% 5% DVG have great yeilds

@jaredbrown9972 8 месяцев назад

Where do I find core

@Mycophilia 7 месяцев назад

I have compiled the basic items I recommend for getting started here, all Sage-approved (there is a good brand of coir in this list): tinyurl.com/SagesShoppingList

@chevyenigma7914 4 месяца назад

100% he know his stuff Home Mycology did a lot of coffee videos like 5 years ago but for sure contamination prong you can’t go wrong with playing Coco core price or in product

@Mycophilia 4 месяца назад

Thank you. Yes I remember those videos!

@Highlightedpet Месяц назад

im in love with tha coco

@paulofx408 Год назад

I don't know if I get it, probably not.. But by your video genetics causes "meteor" shrooms but poo too can lead to meteor shrooms.. So I could cultivate at first small fruiting strain in poo to induce bigger fruits and then clone them later use it with coir maintaining an bigger version of previoulsly small strain (???)

@Mycophilia Год назад

Poo does not cause bigger mushrooms, genetics does

@PPP-on3vl Год назад

Even for Copelandia ?

@Mycophilia Год назад

6:50

@donaldslayton2769 Год назад

LMAO. Thanks for the info. The waiting is the hardest part for "coir lovers"

@MoneyAvalanche. Год назад

my first attempt i used horse poo and never again lol the smell i exuded days after and not to mention the taste while eating them was disgusting.. my second attempt i went with coco coir, vermiculite and a little organic vegan fertilizer and got the biggest 70 gram wet shrooms i could believe. Tasted alot better too and i didnt smell like horse haha

@Mycophilia Год назад

Sounds like the poo was too fresh to be used, they should smell like rich soil ideally

@CaperDano 8 месяцев назад

Starting on biochar then go to Po ☮️🇨🇦🏴‍☠️

@mystifyingoddities Месяц назад

Been trying for 12 months and not got 1 mushroom yet

@LostInAutism Год назад

I've got these seed starters kicking around that I've been thinking about using for finding good genetics. 3 of them fit into a shoe box. As someone who just got into the hobby, I'm happy to run into content creators that don't say there's one way to do it. Current run is CVG, my next run I'll stick to coir only and see how it goes.

@Mycophilia Год назад

Cheers, best of luck Feeb!

@Mastela00 Год назад

needs more coir lovers

@HyperSpeed84 9 месяцев назад

CVGA (coir, vic, gyps, Alot of alcohol) to sanitize. 70% IPA is best.

@mattb6646 Месяц назад

If the mycelium colonize the substrate why would you not want it nutritious? If it doesn't need them it won't use them

@Mycophilia Месяц назад

Because the grains have tons of nutrition. Too much nutrition will also cause strange fruits as well.

@shoniebrown7579 Год назад

I just wanna have my own but idk where to start. People making this seem so hard. Like really. Why 🙄

@Mycophilia Год назад

You reap what you sow

6 дней назад

using manure gives you the best potency. THANKS.

@Mycophilia 6 дней назад

Meh, barely noticeable if even present. Thanks for the comment ✌️

@docphillips3291 Год назад

🍄🍄🍄

@rakishoriginal3966 Год назад

Came here as a coir lover

@williamchampine8574 Год назад

I'm going to coir.

@Hanson423 13 дней назад

Well… I used coffee with some corn…. I hope it doesn’t contam!

@Mycophilia 13 дней назад

@@Hanson423 if you sterilized it with the corn and you didn’t put TOO much coffee, you should be fine :)

@Will-Max Месяц назад

I feel sea sick🤪

@andrelapiana3610 Год назад

𝓅𝓇𝑜𝓂𝑜𝓈𝓂

@Steveshappylittletrees Год назад

I had the luck of getting to know a woman that owns a Horse riding and boarding outfit not too far from me and she lets me get all the premium field aged manure I could ever want at no charge. Ir has an added bonus of also having what's left of the straw in their stables which has plenty of urea nitrogen from their urine. It all gets carted off to a seperate feild where it has aged to perfection. I told her she has a field of Black Gold 🙂