Nvidia - Anti-Competitive, Anti-Consumer, Anti-Technology 

God, I love Jim. He's my favorite scottish boy~

TheEmperorSRB He's writing history

or they just dont care and just want games that perform well...

Ad Victoriam No one said AMD never did shady and shitty stuff, but this video is not about them. One might be though. They're not perfect, none is. It's hard for a market to compete when you actively attack the competition. That'd be like shooting someones leg and saying that it's not your fault he can't run anymore.

so why haven't they released this technology is it because just like Intel they want to grind as much money from people by making people think that they have the Fastest and best product no matter what the cost just for Bragging rights before they are forced to release a better product that will benefit the public i think so but apparently you don't

this.

@Ryzen Division "we just need to stop buying graphics cards, from any body, either it be AMD, Nvidia, r even Intel..... " --> we need to fix this... --> "we just need to stop buying graphics cards Nvidia and CPU's from Intel.....for a few years, at least, till they learn their lessons"

Nvidia: the way you're meant to be reviewed -hardware unboxed-

"The way you're meant to be played"

Exactly my thoughts after watching this. Their "Meant to be played" is either we the consumers or the market - but I'm positive it's both. The sad thing is there are sheeps that herds to this company no matter what. This company and Intel dances to the same tune that is why they don't get along too well.

The ad victoriam guy apparently deleted his comments.. I'm curious about those two innovative techs he mentioned that nvidia has that supposedly smashes amd, because for the life of me, I can't think what he means by that.

Jognt "because nvidia sure is trying hard to play us all"....They already succeeded XD Too bad....we PC gamers deserve it

I really dislike Nvidia as a company, but my last few cards have been Nvidia simply because their hardware met my needs from a price/performance perspective, their driver upgrade process is generally very smooth etc. I wish AMD could sort out their drivers/control panel/performance and efficiency to really give Nvidia a run for their money again. I realize by supporting them, it's not helping the situation, but AMD cards just have not been competitive from a performance/heat/noise etc. perspective.

well AMD came so close to bankruptcy because of this

Hi Chris, nice to see you here too. :)

The Good Old Gamer i know right

Sure that Internet never forgets but too bad... stupid people will.

No one should give a shit, these are companies, they will do anything to their better interest, and as consumers, we should be use to it. Sorry if you don't care for business tactics (there is no such thing as nice guys in business), don't buy their products. Oh wait that means you won't buy, AMD, Intel, Intel, or any other company

Pretty much why I stuck with AMD since the 9800xt days...(running a rx480 8gig atm), some companies have a better track record.

Make sure to replay it more than 3 times to see all details Jim posted in video.

hehe you're right op.

Timing was fucking perfect food had just arrived ;)

for the most part, if a tech channel puts out a 5+ minute video on a product its likely a shill video where they got it for free and are padding the time to maximize youtube red and time watched, I can skip that till I want to sleep. when they do it at the beginning of a tech cycle, ill usually give the benefit of the doubt and look at it because its new product time and have to dust off the old benchmarks but when its something like this, fuck it, take as long as you want, im willing to watch it.

@Hiran Nunes Hey!!! Você pode revisar um vídeo do Jim que eu estou traduzindo? É o "getting away with gpu murder"

Sad for PC gamers in general, but for some reason I don't want this ongoing series of vids to stop. AdoredTV has become one of my favorite channels, FOR ENTERTAINMENT! If Intel, Nvidia, and all other tech companies started acting professionally today, right now, and the subject matter slowly dissipated, I would be the sad one. :(

There's already something to add since the gt 1030 ddr4 performs at less than half the speed of the ddr5 version.

Just means this documentary video will have a part 2. So... Stay tuned for part 2 of this cheating behemoth that just nowadays happens to make great gaming cards.

Hey! We're two years in the future, Nvidia has a somewhat (? AMD was able to run it on their card) proprietary implementation of hardware ray tracing, DLSS and other new things! Like the RTX audio thing which everyone got crazy about it when it's just a simple background noise reduction? Or the upcoming streaming thing that allows you to stream only your face without needing a green screen (I'm sure this could have been open source, but since open source software doesn't get any publicity, nobody uses it)? They also sold a 2070 for the price of a _cut down_ 2080 with a less cut down 2080 ti that's even more money and then make it seem as though they suddenly gained _twice_ the performance when the 3080 (their "flagship" (their words. not mine)) is actually the successor to the 2080ti and is only a 30% gain with ridiculous power draw, no availability at launch and broken cards that crash for the few people that got them. What a fucking joke. And the worst into all of this? If AMD makes a _single_ minuscule mistake when they launch their next generation, both the nvidia and the AMD blame will entirely shift to AMD once again.

How true this comment is in light of recent hardware unboxed developments

True, it would have been easy to find all crap they did and you could easily talk about it for at least 3 hours.

andrew7720 Well said. If forgotten most of this stuff. It's true though. I get accused by fanboys all the time for saying something even sightly negative about something. I get called stupid .. BSc Applied Computing and turned down a Doctorate I get told I'm not a gamer .. started with a Commodore VIC-20 LOL Their methods, these intelligent individuals? Don't provide evidence, ignore the facts and keep saying the same stuff over and over again and if it don't work .. try insults. Lol.

andrew7720 i know

People get very attached to their purchases/preferred vendor, they become an extension of their own ego (this is of course, not healthy), so of course validating their purchases is also validating themselves, and consequently they feel they need to challenge anything that might call their purchasing decisions into question.

Money speaks louder than integrity ever could my friend. Its unfortunate that we live in a world like this but sadly its the truth we all have to swallow when we open our eyes to the all the lies.

What's needed is more technical coverage. If one lacks the nouse and technical ability, then exposés on underhanded corporate tactics based on information collected by others is a nice fallback, but it's certainly not what is missing from the tech media.

was here 2 years ago, here now still

Mr_Beezlebub Anew challenge for NVIDIA 🤔🤔😁

I really hope Intel will blast out a killer GPU. They have the knowledge for it. And their own manufacturing. I mean AMD could do it too, but they lack funding...

Fabian Tschopp And Intel lacks any valuable patents

Metamancer But Intel has a former AMD/ATI lead member.

I'm hoping that once Intel has their own GPU and nVIDIA start making stupid claims again, Intel would use their company wealth to bring down nVIDIA slowly

The voting US public.

@@TheXev please stop

@@goosebuffz s'fact!

Digital foundry Nvidias PET DOG .

LOL, good one

Dropped a like and subbed

These jokes never get old

@@Carnyzzle yes they do 3.5gb meme stopped being funny as soon as nvidia did something else to shit on their customers/fanbase (so basically a month later)

you almost had me there... lol

This is just not true at all. It is absolutely possible to be considerate of your customers and act in a morally respectable fashion(morals being subjective, acting in a fashion that society considers generally acceptable) while still maximizing market share gains & profits. The problem is that we've cultivated a society that doesn't give a shit about doing their job within the marketplace. There's this ridiculous belief that one of the purposes of government is to police businesses within the market, to make sure that everyone is playing 'fair', acting in a considerate fashion towards consumers, and of course preventing monopolies. A group of people that lied to you to get into a position of power, that you KNOW lied to you(we all JOKE about politicians telling lies that they don't fulfill, just to get your approval to take a position of power), and that are caught with regularity breaking their own laws that we've empowered them to write & enact just to fill their own pockets in the end, these are the people in our society that we've 'chosen' to police the market? Why? Because everyone is LAZY, of course, and doesn't WANT to research the products that they purc, the companies that they do business with. So, instead of the individual consumer doing their due diligence and voting with their wallet for the companies whose business practices they support, everyone just says "...well, we gave that job to THOSE guys, so I don't HAVE to do that anymore...". And, then we end up here, with a group of people that, at best, don't give a fuck about the questionable business practices & anti-consumer choices & actions by these corporations, and, at worst, actually ENABLE these practices, choices, & actions - and monopolies - by taking payoffs to legislatively favor these organizations. So, now that those that we've empowered to police this have failed us, what does society do? Do we BLAME them, suggest that their needs to be reform within our governments to fix this? No, everyone just blames the market, says "...that's just how it works...", and suggests that this is not only inevitable, but is the way things are "suppose to be". Meanwhile, the ONLY ones truly to blame here, that are truly DIRECTLY responsible for allowing this to happen, is US, society, the consumers of the marketplace. The moment you ACT like a sheep is the moment that those around you become wolves and TREAT you like sheep. Instead of viewing yourself as a 'victim', realize that the power that these corporations have only exists & grows through MONEY. Take away a corporation's money, and, not only have you removed their power, but you've removed their existence from the market all together. The moment that consumers realize that THEY have the power - and accept the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it, which is to say stop being lazy asses and actually RESEARCH the goods/services & companies that they do business with - and start ACTUALLY voting with their wallet instead of just saying it then rolling their eyes as they order a GTX1060 over an RX580(in general terms, obviously not specific to this literal moment in time in the state of GPU pricing, though RX cards are SIGNIFICANTLY more affordable now), we'll ACTUALLY be able to make a difference.

I can't bring myself to READ through YOUR ENTIRE incoherent response WHICH has RANDOMLY capitalized WORDS, but regardless, your second sentence is simply untrue. To say otherwise is to claim that all the reprehensible strategies practiced by Nvidia didn't help them financially which is a ridiculous notion. Not only is it ridiculous, I didn't see you address that at all. I do see you claim people just need to stop being sheep, but you might as well go tell a herd of actual sheep that. You'll get the same result. While you are at it, make sure to emphasize to the herd that they are to blame (for being sheep) and that anyone who would harm them is justified as a result.

This is why I hate when people counter attack with the "The goal of a company is to make money" argument. It's a half-baked argument that it's wrong most of the time.

ek ek "Idiot's Guide™ to Internet Trolling Ch. 4 - How to troll someone that's offering an even vaguely intellectual conversation that may lead to a questioning of one's own beliefs Introduction. Should someone invest a decent amount of time into a logical, reasonable retort in a conversation that you, for any reason, refuse to consider offering a legitimate counter reply to, this is an Idiots Guide™ to trolling said conversation while saving face. 1. For this technique, the first key is to disregard the majority of their original reply. So, what we're going to do here is simply claim that this response is 'incoherent', getting us out directly replying to the majority of it. 2. Next, don't be afraid to cherry pick a statement in attempt to save face and not appear to just be trolling, even if that's exactly what we're doing here. Don't worry about the fact that you claimed that their reply was 'incoherent', they'll be too upset at the claim in the first place to notice the hypocrisy. 3. ALWAYS follow up your point to the cherry picked statement with complete misrepresentations of your target's arguments, so as to distract them from offering a legitimate retort to your previous cherry picked rebuttal. This should also save face to your audience, leading them to believe that you're something other than a troll. Again, don't worry about referencing various parts of their reply as you misrepresent them in spite of claiming that it was 'incoherent', they're going to be so angry with your trolling that they'll NEVER notice this." Wow, trolling right by the book - impressive! As for ANYONE ELSE that may be interested in an honest to goodness conversation, I'm here & waiting. Maybe I'm expecting too much from YT comments though...

How is it that companies are praised for fucking over society? Weird world we live in...

Cheers bud.

Thoughts on the latest shitstorm doing the rounds? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z_lqNYxgBDA.html

when I see your comment on other tech channels' comment section, somehow I get cheered up like you published a new sound card video =]]]

Ozgur Dru :D That's awesome man. Yea I will always do sound cards, but taking my time as they are a bit tedious, testing a lot of games to get a good idea of what they are like.

It's good to know that the Free Folk care this much about GPUs.

Only gets more true as time continues, really scary and sad.

vote with your wallet :D

Practical Driver I'm on the same boat, I've decided that I don't need the latest and greatest to enjoy gaming and I'm already 20 hours into Dark Souls on an RX 480, butter smooth at 1080p. At this point if a game won't run on an AMD card I can afford, I'll just not buy that game.

How's the 580 feeling?

Bagdadsky_Hornik yeah it's overpriced here in India too...but at least I only plan to buy it or any equivalent version that might get released later this year when some mates will be visiting the states so I plan to have them buy it for me at a reasonable price.

I think that's fucking awesome tbh. I'd much rather a 580. I could've spent £850 on a 1080Ti on offer but I spent £760 on a Vega 64 and I'm happy I did tbh. I'll never support Nvidia ever, plus their software is absolute dogshit.

Dang it, a couple of good games in a few hours/tomorrow. Portugal vs. Spain was great.

It's due to mining. We are supposed to have a v56 with 1070ti performance for 1070 price

i cant support amd through their gpu market because they had nothing that rivaled the 1080ti when i bought a new pc, but i was more than happy to support them via ryzen, it is simply amazing.

So i have mentioned this, part of the GSYNC cost, is for color correction, as Nvidia GPU don't render 100% color gamut correctly, but the module in Gsync actually does color gamut correction. So not only are you saving money, you are also getting closer to true to life coloration in games and videos.

And now you have RTX to justify your move...

@@alanharrington LOL

Haha nope!

Nah we are end consumers. We don't know all the dirt behind it all

you can always sell it orget a amd card to oand install it sometimes for fun lol

Looking at my 1080 SLI....not one bit of guilt.

me too but the 1080 was 170€ cheaper then a vega 56 here if amd give me a powerfull cheap gpu i will go back no problem here because it has mutch better driver system and you downt need a fake accout just to record you gameplay or overclock your gpu

over 500% tearing and stuttering. Those were the golden days

I did too, it depended on how you configured it, AFR or alternate frame rendering mode on crossfire worked fine in most games.. Still a headache to have to set it for each game though..

It can’t age bad if the company won’t change. And they won’t, at least as long as they stay unregulated.

Valik Toma Lol

VERTGAMES Lol nice 😆

The reality is "How much did you spend on Nvidia products to be compelled to type that comment?"

XD

forgive him, for he is just a sheep

Now its a Oligopoly lol

Did the same thing! Notification came just as I put lunch on the table. So books went out, laptop came in...

Not gonna lie, I was gonna postpone it regardless... x')

I did at the end of the GameWorks one hence why I left it out of this one. ;)

Savage !

Hahaha, so the second part applies. Never mind then. That probably also explains why I thought of it while you still said that sentence. You produce too much good content for me to remember it all - especially since a lot of that was before my time. Lastly, I'd be interested in that ATI video. Can't have them call you a green/red team fan boy, can we? ;-)

people are too self-absorbed and careless to even inform themselves about politics that affects their daily lives, let alone of the shady dealings and machinations of evil corporations. They just accept this as the norm and go on about their lives buying their products in complete ignorant bliss.

Luke Wells That’s not true. There are a few people who make Videos like that. They're just few and far between.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Luke Wells for or against ?

Bezzegh Adam, how much did Nvidia pay you to comment this?

Better color rendition, and overall great card, yes, it isn't an $850 1080ti, but then again it isn't an $850 card.... but is within 5% of a 1070....which at 1080p or 1440p is just fantastic

@@Tallnerdyguy So for a "slightly better" or even "better" quality of producing pixels on a screen you are willing to let a bad company get away with stuff?

@@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline which is the bad company? You think a company entitled envy is a good company?

@@Tallnerdyguy No shit. That is what I am saying. IDC if they have a "better" product or not (recently it seems that AMD is catching up big time but we shall see).

where do you think the romance languages came from?

Joke's on you: I AM ROMANIAN (And I haven't forgotten that bit, thank you very much)

i think joke's actually on you..

you wrote "invidie" there but it can be also written "invidia" in romanian, depending on context. So its just 1 extra letter difference.

Yeah, as a native Spanish speaker myself i always found weird why a company would want to call themselves "Envy" fortunately Jim answered the question after all these years!

I think he will be happy if this video was shorten, but is because how much materials Nvidia give him, he must do this so long video. And this is sad, because I have friends who believe in superiority of Nvidia... I have they card, but only because AMD don't have one in my segment, and in last week I had too update firmware because Nvidia fuck up again, but people still believe they make better driver, even fuck up like this, or as most test on games are done in Dx11 only because Nvidia have bad drivers for Dx12 (maybe to force developers and reviewers to use Dx11, and get lead over AMD?)

I have been a tech head throughout nVidia's entire existence and have known about most of this. There is a reason I have only ever owned 1 of their cards, I regret it to this day. It was all just a coincidence that they created Gameworks shortly after the suits fled AMD with the stolen tech. I am going to try to translate this into nvidiashill speak for everyone to blame it on AMD for Gameworks existing. "AMD should never have created the tech if they didn't expect it to be stolen from them, knowing nvidia's history."

Well said, but Intel also needs serious restructuring and major overhaul of their company management under Bob Swan if they want to prevail and regain the trust of the majority of consumers in the upcoming years.

But Nvidia has rAy-TrAcInG

"Basically, the Red Team is the Good Guys." - People are naive.

you mean O HBO I, lemme get some popcorns XDD

got that before

pull out the lotion

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Apfeljunge666, and a malevolent stroke of business warfare brilliance.

DEADLY SMEDLEY Except it wasn't, it just killed the development of physics.

How does me being in the dark about what NVIDIA has done over a decade got to do with me making future purchases? I'll buy anything that performs well and is in my price range just like any ordinary, sensible consumer would. What a strange comment! Why did you bother? D:

Ba dummmmmmmmmm tish

@@kaytiecakes a sensible consumer doesn't give money to people who go out of their way to abuse them...

Okay.

Kaytiecakes i'm waiting for Navi :)

jim forgot the time nvidia released a driver that killed off a lot of GPUS :D

Always loved your videos, Nerd Tech. Didn't understand half of it, but it was so well done and interesting I got motivated to do research on parts I didn't follow. I hope you can find time in the future to put more videos together. Best wishes.

It's not that he forgot, it's that he already covered it in his "Getting Away with GPU Murder" video. There were some other points he could've covered as well but didn't because the video was already long enough

m8, please find time for ur new videos, i enjoyed ur videos just like i enjoy Jims videos, dont stop, we need more YT channels like this, tech journalism is in very bad shape :(

So basically nvidia is the Hitler of the gpu world. Got it.

Yup, would listen to just about anything if he was narrating it. :)

omfg yeah

Bro, 2x speed fixes everything!

But then I would miss hearing AdoredTV's dazzling voice in all it's glory!!! That would be sacrilege...

Etheoma I cant argue with that 😁

Qthulu __ in the words of Fred G Stanford "OHHH ITS THE BIG ONE"

I'm comin home elizabeth.

Yep. So much of what was said in this video was on full display again today with the whole EVGA situation. In Nvidia's position is disgusting to see such a rotten attitude.

Cheers!

I have the same problem. Feels like i made a deal with the devil now. lol. AMD needs to bring it badly.

nothing to do, amd was in deep financial trouble, they had to decide to do r&d either for their cpu or gpu, since cpu market is bigger and effected for financial recovery and it actually helps them. So now they are getting money from markets I wish they will start concentrate on gpu r&d and came with some best product like ryzen. till then I will use amd gpus even if its mid ranger, I don't care.

Yeah When I bought it was after Vega's release. This was before prices went crazy. So Vega 64 was the same price as a high end AIB 1080 but barely, and in some games didn't, keep up with it while using way more power and being hotter. Vega 64 Liquid was more solidly equal to a 1080, but was priced at or near entry level 1080 Ti prices. The 1080 Ti was 15-20% faster. I simply couldn't justify buying the AMD cards even with a Freesync monitor.

From what we've heard, that's exactly the plan with Navi. If they pull it off, it'll be the Ryzen of video cards, complete with a scaleable multi-ccx architecture.

Get the RX 680 then in Q1 2019. It should perform similarly, especially in DirectX 12 titles.

Yep you did exactly that lol! This is what I'm best known for. ;)

His opponents will use this to motivate their hypothesis that he is. :') The green eye is just a coincidence... LOL Time for a conspiracy theory on how mr. leather jacket became so jealous after he got fired by AMD?

yeap you found out the fu...ing father of conspiracy theorist i've ever seen, this guy and his research skills and time invested, just get the theories beyond the imagination, thats why i actually got this channel as my favorite one. When a statement is based on history and knowledge, it just can`t be wrong or at least it will be more accurate than something based on favoritism and feelings.

I don't know about the rest of spanish speaking people in the world, but for me it has been _this_ way forever, evoking kind of a "prideful-much-mate?" reaction in a weird way; this is mainly caused by the almost nonexistent phonetic differences between the spanish word for 'envy' [envidia] and the brand/company name of the subject in question, that is, [nVidia]. So I always took it as a company that either: a) were so confident of their own products' capabilities to the extent of choosing to walk their very first steps into the market bearing a standard with such a display of pomposity as the word 'envy' does... *«ENVY. We're so bold in our stride meanwhile so far ahead of our competitors, they can only evince jealousy and resentfulness towards our proud advantage.»* Maybe a bit too exaggerated, maybe I've construed way too far/deep for how big a statement can be made by just a single word... note, though, that the word in question is solely, and right to the point, the brand name. b) _tryharded_ that much in their intent to be edgy and/or youth-appealing that it seemed appropiate to them choosing their brand name out of a wordplay of 'video' (not too foolish, tbh) plus anything conveying the "so-rad-d0000d!" spirit of those days (one of the seven capital sins? why not?)... being honest this was more or less the mainstream fad in the 90's corporate marketing, take as an example the gaming peripherals -and enthusiast products- manufacturers of the day. c) both a) and b) Hence, I didn't find myself ever wondering if THA COSNPIRÆCEE IZ REAL, but I thought it would be interesting to share what I've always took as inherent to the existence of -novideo- NVIDIA and other brilliant market-ballers HP... Envy? Like u fo real ma nigga? 🤦‍♂️ So that's your marketing ploy for selling overpriced gæming compiutahs to 12-yr-old-fortnite legends-to-be? 🤬 YOU PICKED THE WRONG WORD FOOL! PS. Please don't laugh at my English, I know it's sketchy AF... I can't help but to disclaim it appropiately in advance, so consider yourself/ves warned. Cheers.

Cheers bud.

they want to patch me? D: /s

Any ETA on payment?

Me too. BS class action lawsuits!

@@adoredtv I wonder if psychopaths despite being well suited for the CEO position in our present structuring, scale with a civilization that can literally encapsulate its entire homeworlds star enabling them to become more dangerous than what ended the dinosaurs. Too bad amds driver for dx11 to this day is still probably single threaded garbage.

@@adoredtv Both companies play stupid little games. Microsofts an accomplice. Dont get me started on the context switching induction fest that is the intelligence of their thread scheduler.

@@adoredtv Pascal actually had asynchronous compute right? Not some cache logic acceleration pipeline for serial optimization for dx11 which for over half a decade refused to die because hardware abstraction cheapens production. Of course it did.

Oh boy, that infamous FX 5900, it was so bad compared to 9700 pro. :) After ATI bought Artx, Nvidia had nothing against ATI for almost 2 years.

MrTormentor89 Palit also used to make AMD cards...that really isn't new news

Well, I never said AMD was perfect, did I? And let's be honest here, Nvidia has been far more anti-competitive than AMD ever has.

Markus Brorson And you people sound like you're in a cult. All I see is Nvidia fanboys getting heat from 10 AMD fanboys and Jim saying the exact same arguments and accusing people of being paid by Nvidia. This is not the AMD community I remember, this is pathetic.

Throwback to when 80 series was under 600 for the 100 die, not 102, or 104. These people don’t know what they’re missing and the shafting they’re enabling purchasing products at such outrageous prices. The 4090 should be a 700-800 dollar card (cause inflation since then has crazy amount of vram and pricy ass cooler) nothing else should be even close to its MSRP, also in Texas it’s gonna be too damn hot to use these in the summer.

No. It never does. Watch them rebrand AMD FSR as "DLSS Compatible" in the near future...