NVIDIA G-Sync + Null Setup & Input Lag Results 

when i want the lowest input delay why did u say i can turn off NULL and v sync in the game on???

12:14 can you explain me why you enable Vsync if you cap the limit anyways?I dont get it because 138 limit should be fine for 144 refresh. Gerne auch auf deutsch :D

@@Der_Oesterreicher ja will es auch wissen

So VSYNC’s input lag kicks in when you dont have fps limit right? So if you want no screen tearing and no inputlag just limit fps

But you didn't test G-Sync + NULL without a framerate cap. What happens if I enable G-Sync NULL without a framerate cap? You only showed results of G-Sync NULL with a cap of 139FPS and 130FPS.

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He is German, like Einstein.

This ^

Check his Twitter feed "As promised, I will do an update video on the 'netcode' of CoD:MW 2019. But not during week 1&2 as devs patch/hotfix the game client and server a lot during that time. Don't want the results to be outdated before I even publish them."

@@dobbinb76 Thanks for the info, don't follow his Twitter. :)

A month later, still nothing. Lots of Modern warfare content makers are very tight lipped for some reason.

@Ladioz RTTS capping the game gives a much more stable frametime compared to using the ingame fps limiter, which will vary a bit more. This can easilly be tested yourself with MSI Afterburner. Input-lag difference i cant measure.

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Hello from the future, what u low lat do you have set and do you just disable in game vsync stuff

Agreed. Can't thank this guy enough! Lots of misconceptions out there.

How do I turn that off?

@@cartiercartier2171 You have to do it on a per game basis. Right click the game's .exe and check the "disable full screen optimisations" box.

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You dumb? Capping your fps below by 3 with gsync and vsync on will still have input lag unless your 240hz and cap it to 237 but if your 144hz and cap it to 141 you will still have input lag but less than 144

@@fluffyfn7 didnt u see the video

@@fluffyfn7 u bigot

@@TheKillerZmile This just proves your a 7 year old who didnt read blurbuster testing refresh rates and capping below by 3

Vsync on in NCP and game too?

Tsuri S. We can dream right. Sounds like this is what they are trying to do, He mentioned several times in this video that the NULL setting would drop the frame rate by about 3 FPS. I think a FPS limiter in the control panel will always be a pipe dream because of how many different game engines there are.

@@DTPettis yea another thing that needs fixing is the input lag increase when reaching 99% gpu utiluzation... They should put a buffer in that lowers it so the gpu performs same at 99% as at 97%

@@Merlin- I really don't think that lag reduction that occures, when GPU is fully utilized is possible. It may be basically inherent to it, because simply put GPU has more to do that it can. It's like with trafic jams. More cars per time unit, but takes longer for the car to arrive.

@@DTPettis Why does different game engines have to enter into it? Hell just port the code that RTSS uses into the control panel, and BAM, all are supported

Is that good ? No input lag ?

MEDUSAGG so i don’t get 100% gpu bound. => no lag. RTSS ad one frame delay, but for me it’s worth.

They are not wrong. In-engine FPS limiters do (usually) provide the lowest input delay. RTSS increases the input delay by 1 frame compared to good in-engine limiters, but provides more stable frame times. So there is a bit of a trade off (though, who feels 1 frame extra delay at i.e. 138FPS/Hz?)

@@BattleNonSense Agreed, that's where the misconception arises. Everyone assumes that with RTSS you get a one frame delay but that is compared to using the in-game limiter. Most people on reddit think RTSS actually increases input lag lol. Most people just assume that RTSS gives you a 1 frame delay compared to playing uncapped but that just isn't the case. As for in-game limiters, they are definitely a hit or miss. Most of them give you less input lag but at the detriment of stable frame pacing. I have personally experienced this and you have arrived at the same conclusion on your last video. This is what RealNC has to say on the matter: "RTSS does not add latency. It reduces latency. Just not as much as an in-game limiter can. In other words, using RTSS gives you lower input lag compared to not using a frame limiter." The funny thing is they quote the same person in their arguments. On a side note, I love your videos man. Keep up the great work as always. Personally, I can feel the input lag that G-SYNC gives me so I keep it off in games like CSGO but I am very sensitive to uneven frame pacing. So I will stick to RTSS in 90% of games.

@@BattleNonSense Who feels 1 frame of extra delay at 138fps? 1337 G4M3RZ THATS WHO.

@@BattleNonSense Everyone who feels the difference between 60hz and 144hz monitors, but I understand this video and the RTSS one does not apply to them.

I use the Battlefield 5 in game limiter and according to the RTSS frame pacing graphs the framtimes look crap....but it feels super smooth to play. I cannot feel the difference between using RTSS frame rate limiter or the in-game limiter but I trust battle nonsense that its better to use the in game limiter

i think it's because you still get some screen tearing in the bottom as shown in the video..not sure why this happens though; i think it has to do with the monitor not being synchronized frames

nice skipping video. Dude above told why. Same crap with Freesync.

​@@MrSebastianMars I saw the video, I saw the bottom screen tearing but maybe my question was not clear, I suppose. Let me rephrase it: why is V-sync needed if there is already a FPS limiter? The FPS limiter alone should be more than enough. That bottom screen tearing is an anomaly and the fact that V-sync fixes it is an anomaly too. This behaviour is unexpected and unpredictable. I would like to know why this happens, the question purpose was to obtain in-depth information about this behaviour. Now that I re-read my question I see it being wrong, going to edit it now.

@@RiccardoLulli have no idea what causes this. Ill double check my theory. Once I installed properly drivers with reseting my LCD settings and havent seen this tearing. After updating drivers it happens again.

It will cost some rendering power, depending on the option/options u use. So i think yes. But if your GPU isnt 95 - 99 % of load, it should be somehow the same... But not 100% sure...

What about integer scaling? Considering replacing my 1440p panels with 4K ones now that Nvidia supports integer scaling, but haven't because I don't know what kind of effect it has on performance and input lag.

in gta 5 i noticed a increase on latency.

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With my 2060 It costs 2-4 fps I turned it on because i can see more clearly now and it adds more clarity in graphics so why not. In future drivers maybe they can optimize it

no u dont wtgf

I would say this new nvidia update has a huge improvement at least for me. My monitor Lg 34um68p 75hz is a freesync. I never turned on freesync 75 hz before due to stuttering issue & frame skip with nvidia card. It felt smoother in 60 hz before But in this update, I can use 75 hz without any issue. No screen tearing, no stutter, no frame skip. Gameplay/movement way smoother than before. Here's what I did: - turn on freesync in monitor Nvidia control panel - turn on G-sync feature Nvidia control panel (manage 3D setting) - low latency mode : Ultra - Vsync : On Windows desktop resolution - change refresh rate to 75 hz Download rivatuner - limit FPS at 75 FPS

Good point I need to find a good frame limiter

RTSS is the best no matter what game :)

@@ZekeMagnum As a previous video from battlenonsense has shown, RTSS adds a little lag. I must however agree that its by far the best option for games that dont have limiters.

@@ZekeMagnum actually Blurbusters found that in-game fps limits didn't add input delay while RTSS adds 1 frame delay

@@JFinns I tested it in COD. RTSS leaves a lot better frame smoothing than the in game frame limiter. My MS was jumping all over the place from 8ms - 18 with COD frame limiter. RTSS gave be rock solid and steady 11 MS no matter what. the graph was all flat

@@JFinns 1 frame delay is nothing and imo you gain so much more having a steady frame pacing than not having 1 frame delay extra and worse frame pacing

Not if you want the lowest possible input delay. Lowest possible input delay you just deal with some tearing. No stuttering tho

@@OrganicGreens but when playing games, which rely on muscle memory, lowest input delay will probably f*** you

@@D1.y It feels the best to me. Cant go back to vsync or even gsync once you play a lot of csgo with no extra input delay. But i use it for some games that preform like ass. Tarkov for example needs frame capping badly

I wish we could get an answer on this. In his past videos, he opted not to test the 'On' setting as well which basically equates to pre-rendered frames 1. Why omit this setting? Most competitive settings guides online have traditionally stated that "1" is the best setting. I'm skeptical of this and would love Battlenonsense to offer some clarity.

Cutting3dge Media not mention Battleye anticheat has problem with settings set to “Ultra”, but with “On” its ok.

BFV ran worse for me with NULL set to Ultra, it ran better with just On. (1080ti Hybrid/7700k/344x1440 21:9 100Hz/G-Sync)

you can easily set "prefer maximum performance" within the program settings tab for each individual game you play, no need to have the GPU running full power the entire time

@@samm1es Or you can just use optimal power and it does it automatically for you.

This is what i am wondering about as well. For me it sounds like as long as youre using a fps limiter you dont need vsync. But what he is saying in the video at the end i dont quite get. He is mentioning you want to make sure vsync is enabled as that eliminates tearing near the lower edge of the display. 11:15 . So it must be doing something even below max refreshrate it seems? But i cant find any info on this by nVIDIA.

you completely miss the point. you cant get rid of tearing without v-sync or g-sync/freesync. if you only cap the fps(doesn't matter below or above refresh rate) you will still have tearing, but also you will get the lowest possible latency

Yes I'm still interested

Would be nice to know

Last I'd heard, reduce buffering will reduce input latency at the cost of a potentially less consistent frame rate. How this works exactly is still a bit unclear, but it seems similar to double vs. triple buffered VSYNC, where the added buffer can provide a more consistent frame rate at the cost of one frame of input lag.

@@MarioManTV no,Reduce Buffering just reduces the Frame Buffer to 1.So only the next 1 frame gets rendered while the other one is on display.