Nvidia RTX 20 Series Gaming Laptops - Buy Now or Wait? 

I got a long winded story that you will find very interesting. I hope. there is a point in time my old gaming notebook with GTX 880M will byte the bullet. Well it did. SAD after work so hard to earn the money to buy it. So I have to get over it and get on with it. lets say a little check was chased in from a bit corp. $2300.00 or something like that. before the CES 2019 started. I made the call to fuck all the big brand names. like ASUS ,MSI, HP and so n all the big brand name simply FUCK IT EVERYTHING IS FULL OF BULL SHIT old tech that have been killed off the market 5 years ago. like i7 cpu RUNNING 2.2 GHz my old CPU that is on my X99 motherboard is a a lost faster then that. any way the big brand name people do not look in to SAGER. Then done a tone of research. can I have GAMING TOWER PC in a 17.1 GAMING NOTEBOOK ? the answer to that is OH HELL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! SAGER is forever take the chance to take the next leap in gaming notebooks. MSI and ASUS and every one else do not do there job. SAGER going warp speed with there new 17.1 gaming notebook NP9175 yes NP9175 is a very dead name for a notebook. What is not dead is what is in side. lets dig deep in to the guts of NP9175 first off the CPU. you need a brain. and this is no stupid bird brain. INTEL i7 8700K in a 17.1" gaming notebook.a custom dealer can upgrade that CPU to i9 9900K I cannot afford that. However its in there if you choose to pick it up. the next one its chip set Z370.. now SAGER is talking. I know System ram is slow. DDR4 16GB 2400MHz one SODIM STICK. I cannot afford to the upgrade to 3000MHz its there if you want it I removed all internal storage and gone to NEWEGG and got my 500GB NVME $105.00 + tax and shipping. and not pay $280.00 for the same thing at the notebook dealer. I1 7200 RPM spinning storage is at cheap $55.00 at NEWEGG. not $100.00 at the notebook dealer. this is the best part I did order GTX 1070 8GIGS GDDR5 that is a huge leap killing GTX 880M This is where the NOT NEWS I am holding pater for my graphic card to come in for landing at the end of the month OUT OF STOCK This part is not in option list. GTX 1070 is retired and I get a free upgrade to RTX 2070 8 GIGS GDDR6 How I wish I have upgrade to GTX 1080. However its still one hell of a upgrade. yes I do have 17.1" screen with NVIDIA G-SYNK 144MHZ or 144 FPS MATT 72% NTSC I am not a fan of MAT screen/ I am a HIGH GLOSS TRUE LIFE fan,. I will take it as it is. I do not think I am going to get NVIDIA G-SYNK ULTIMATE OH WELL. I paid for it then I wait.www.gentechpc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Build-Sager-NP9175

It's a good strategy 👌 I hope the 1080Ti drops a bit if it's a good price maybe I'll look at one second hand 😁

It’s honestly a good strategy. If you always buy the last generation once the new one comes out you will still have a great card. Or you can try to only upgrade once every other generation or two.

@@JarrodsTech 1080Ti 650 dollars already

You're not alone

+LinkinPark 4Life Usually a very good strategy, but I think Nvidia played the timing card on this one. The previous generation is well over 2 years old now, which is the longest time ever for a previous generation, so you're buying into considerably older tech than you normally would by buying the previous generation. Now, the key issue with this old vs new tech is, of course, how much more performance you're getting on the games that will be out there during the time before the next generation shows up. If the difference between the old tech and the new one isn't that big then it doesn't matter how old the tech is. You'll be missing out on all the ray tracing and what not, but I don't think there will be enough of it until later down the road, at which point you'll be closer to the 21XX family of cards anyway. This is a funky generational leap into new tech so a lot of things are up in the air until we get extensive reviews.

Possibly, hard to really know for sure, I still wouldn't be surprised if they do 20 series GTX cards too, in which case the 10 series may drop in price and could be a good deal.

Yup. I am waiting for the same reason. If I can find a good deal on the MSI GS 65 1070 for around 1400-1500 it will be awesome.

Yeah exactly, I'm thinking the same at the moment, I guess we'll see if that changes when we actually see proper benchmarks outside of ray tracing specific testing.

I really hope so. They’ve had years to make something revolutionary. The Titan Volta was evidence that they really could do so. Sadly with literally no competition Nvidia can do whatever they want. Until AMD or Intel makes something that threatens Nvidia in the GPU department they’ll keep this up. Oh well here’s to cheap 1080 laptop ina few months. :)

Its new technology (not well optimized) and personally i always waiting for next iteration ,i really will not be a guinea pig ,it may take off very soon but it may take few years to iron it out -im not putting my money on that one;) I went 1060 coz that was technological leap in laptops specifically and im going for gtx1080 next year coz that is well established technology already and it will get cheaper (I HOPE ;) at laptops vendors .

Oh I agree with ya. But, like you I’m not gonna pay a premium to be a beta tester. All I really care about is raw performance. I’ve upgraded my system to a 3440x1440 100hz monitor. So all I want to know is how much better a new card would run it. And I’ll likely be in going to 4K in the future.

+Terreos on a few demos they did of these cards, they were getting excess of 100 fps in 4k so they should power your 2k monitor just fine.

Cheers!

Saboteur Y *I agree*

I've told him that.we can all agree

Ikr

Yeah exactly, I mean they could do it, but why? There might be a few laptops that have the high end 20 series, I mean you can get SLI 1080 / 8700K laptops but they're huge with 2x power bricks.

8750H is quite good, it's probably what I'd get and there are a lot of options with 10 series graphics available currently.

Very true. Just picked up a Dell G7 with 1060 maxq and the 8750 for $879 on sale.

Ooh nice one!

W. B. Whitfield III where did you get it

Best Buy. It was on sale from $1079 to $979 and I had a $100 student coupon.

Yeah that's a good point, didn't think about the holidays, would be a good time to push out some new stuff if they can.

Hmm good to know, yeah at the moment early 2019 seems to be when to expect them.

I really need a new laptop, but I work with vray, Arnold and lumion... softwares that could sure make good use of this new cards. Ugh... the struggle.

@@MrLelopes I'm in the same boat... Guess I'll wait for msi to update

Bro when they release please let me know.i want one now but I'm gonna wait for new graphics card

If you need one now go and buy one NOW but if you really want a slightly better GPU You can just search everyday until one releases

No problem! Yeah waiting for benchmarks is a good idea, I think that might be soon, Hardware Canucks mentioned in their most recent video that there was an NDA on the performance numbers until tomorrow, so hopefully there will be more information on that soon.

There probably will be, nothing has been announced yet though so we'll just have to wait and see. Based on the performance reported so far from RTX graphics though it seems like with ray tracing performance in the available games isn't that good, so it makes me think the lower tier cards might not be that great at least for ray tracing. I have no idea but yeah wouldn't be surprised if there are also some GTX cards or something this generation too, have to wait and see!

Budget ones gets announced after few months

Because the 2080ti struggles in 1080p with RTX enabled... I am assuming that a 2050/2060 card would struggle immensely, so I assuming a GTX refresh for lower end cards and die shrinkage like performance boosts... This is of course speculation.

Yeah those were my thoughts too.

Ray tracing and AI(tensor) is only available i RTX models (2070 - 2080Ti). Rumors say that the rest will be pascal refresh = regular GTX models. GTX 2050 and 2060 might come out in october, but nothing is known for sure.

Yeah the die size seems to have gone up too, at least going by the Gamers Nexus video yesterday where they showed it.

I guess we'll have to wait and see! I heard there might be some performance numbers out tomorrow.

Haha probably, I was hoping someone else would have run some testing but I guess it's probably too early for that.

Hasnt rhe tdp gone up due to the extra hardware?

I'm just going to keep on waiting as I don't have an immediate requirement for a new laptop, but that's just me, if I did though I'd also have no personal problem buying today as there are some pretty good options out there.

No problem! The first one with heaps of heatpipes is the MSI GT75 Titan (review week up this weekend), otherwise there was the Aorus X5 and ASUS FX503 (review coming).

Yeah the 1050Ti is similar in performance to the 970M so wouldn't be that much of a boost over what you've got.

I still use the 970M too it does the job 👍 performs close to the 1050Ti.

I guess if there were max-q only versions then it may make more sense 🤔

Cheers! Nothing yet at least, hopefully that changes!

Thanks, and welcome!

No problem! It's my favourite too 😁

Thanks! 😃

No problem! The Helios 300 is definitely great value, I should finally have the new one being sent out to me today, so a review on that isn't too far away!

@@JarrodsTech will be waiting for it then! Thanks

No one really knows, my best guess is probably sometime in early 2019 given it will probably be a few months after they're announced and they haven't even been announced yet. Depends on your requirements, for me personally I'd be happy with a 1070 Max-Q and would probably just get that now and be happy with it, also depends if you need something right now or are fine to wait.

Dedicated graphics is definitely always preferable, I'd try for that if you want it for playing games.

Sounds like a good idea, I use a higher specced PC and lower laptop just for travel, it's a pretty good combination.

Depends on the CPU, from what I've heard 9th gen will probably be a small refresh like 6th > 7th so probably not too much of a performance improvement, current i5 8300H / i7-8750H seem fine in laptops, granted power throttling issues when under multicore workloads which seems to be a common theme I've noticed in all my review videos, maybe if the 9th gen is more power efficient this will be less of an issue.

Jarrod'sTech I got a laptop with tb3 4 lanes so I am prepared for the future I mean it’s got the depressing uhd 620 until i can’t stand 20-30 FPS fortnite on the go My cpu throttles down to 10 watts after 5 mins of load, power limit throttle, not thermal :/. Which gives me poopoo results

Ouch, yeah definitely grab an eGPU enclosure for that if you want better performance 😛 although if you CPU throttles that much the boost may be limited, I suppose the throttling could be due to the Intel integrated graphics though 🤔

Yea, when the non dpgu is under load it powerlimit throttles down to 10, on a 15 watt i7-8550u, and the cpu itself goes down to 1.25ghz...which really stinks because thats how Hp wanted to ruin integrated graphics gaming

micha Me too. Especially if you are at a pro level.

for some games, yes, and then I become average when I'm at like 20fps....

Cheers Brian!

Fair enough!

Hopefully!

I haven't used that specific version myself so I can't really comment from experience, I do have some videos on the X5 v8 which I think is basically the same just with the 8th gen CPUs and I didn't have any issues there myself during my testing.

Maybe 😎

Yeah for sure, really need to see those benchmarks to answer the question properly, hopefully not long until that happens.

@@JarrodsTech could you please let us be updated on this issue? I really need a gaming laptop now for gaming and also for 3d work, but I'm not sure if I should wait or not. I'm probably gonna go with Aero 15x

@@miller7408 The initial performance seen with raytracing is pretty bad, but may improve over time. It seems like the 2070 can hardly run it, and given that's equivalent to a 1080 and that's the highest end GPU we had in laptops, I feel like ray tracing in laptops isn't going to be great, if at all available.

Thanks! The GT75 is a BEAST, I have a review of it coming out this weekend, i9 and 1080 👌👌

@@JarrodsTech playing project wingman on ultra all settings and all the cloud stuff as high as it can go. I get 81 degrees Celsius and 120fps. It's not bad.

Nice one, yeah the fans on that thing can get insane! I did actually hit thermal throttling with them maxed out with a 4.9GHz overclock haha, but still the fact it could run at that compared to other laptops with the i9 like the Dell G7 was impressive!

@@JarrodsTech I haven't hit thermal throttling. I bought mine from HIDevolution and had them put the thermal grizzly paste on the cpu and gpu and the polly pads as well. Probably would help you as well.

Yeah probably, not something I could test with in a review unit unfortunately, just found it interesting that in the end despite the huge heat sinks with fans maxed out thermals were the limiting factor, a good change compared to all the other laptops I've tested that just power limit throttle due to arbitrary limits.

Hmm I suspect they'd probably stay around the same prices, just a guess though because Dell and HP in particular are huge companies and are probably able to get good bulk pricing, there wasn't really much difference when they recently moved from 7th gen to 8th gen CPUs, but I guess that's different.

@@JarrodsTech yeah 9th gen Intel CPU also coming

I don't see why not, my guess is that there's no 1070Ti in laptops because it came out later in the product cycle, could also be that it requires more power so manufacturers just stick to either 1070 or 1080, not really sure though.

If it works well for you then that's all that matters! Do you have a Thunderbolt 3 port? At least that way if you do you've got the option of using an external GPU enclosure in the future if you need more power.

Jarrod'sTech yeah I’ve got one - maybe I’ll try that some day!

Oh nice, good to have as an option!

Yes you could, but will be subject to some amount of Thunderbolt 3 bottleneck, so not sure what the difference would be between it ant 1080Ti there.

Since I have the system, I might as well run the benchmark so that you can get a better idea of how it performs. Here's my system: CPU: Intel Core i7 8550U Ram: 16GB LPDDR3 GPU enclosure: HP Omen Accelerator GPU: Asus GTX 1080ti Okay, so here's the Superposition Benchmark 1080p Extreme (laptop's internal monitor) Score: 4981 Min FPS: 29.29 Avg FPS: 37.26 Max FPS: 85 4K Optimized (yes, my laptop has 4k 13 inches internal display and tb3 beamed the signal back to display, no external monitor was used) Score: 6720 Min FPS: 38.50 Avg FPS: 50.27 Max FPS: 84 They both have 99% gpu utilization. So, what did you think? Not bad for bottlenecking performance? Using an external monitor does give more performance, but not that much.

Hmm hard to compare given the laptop CPU, I've only tested a 1080Ti once and that was with an 8700K and the CPU will affect the result, but I got 9423 score in 4K optimized there and 5847 with 1080p extreme so I guess you're not too far behind there, some would be due to the CPU. As for bottlenecking due to Thunderbolt I showed a bit of that in my Mantiz Venus eGPU enclosure review, I put my 1080 in the enclosure and it was performing closely to the 1060 Max-Q inside the laptop and that was with an external display.

Possibly, if everyone wants the new stuff, supply and demand. As for when, hard to say until there are official launch dates, but my best guess is probably early 2019.

I guess my concern was that we already see power limit throttling of the 8th gen CPUs in most current laptops, if the graphics need even more power I don't want to see further limitations put in place. Max-Q versions would certainly help reduce power usage, but will be interesting to see how far they need to cut them down from the desktop counterparts, hopefully not too far!

@@JarrodsTech of course power is always a factor when overclocking laptop's but cooling is also a factor. Which is why I think having power being a limiting factor is good. You don't want to push your GPU'S and then see them downclocked because the fans couldn't keep up. I like most who overclock do it to one and not both, since cooling as well as power being my limit.

I would suspect so, they'd just have the option of disabling ray tracing in the settings, I can't see game devs making games that only run well / require the RTX cards.

@@JarrodsTech Oh, thanks

Cool, personally a fan of thin and light myself!

Depends how much you use the laptop, do you travel much or go anywhere where you'd need it? Personally I have a really good PC, but then a less powerful but bigger battery laptop just for travel and light Internet browsing, rather than a heavy powerful gaming laptop, so depends what you need.

@@JarrodsTech i don't really travel much... But when i travel, it usually takes more than a week or two

Hmm I guess depends if you want the option to play games when you do that, if so then maybe look at a laptop with 1050 or above (depends on the games you play and settings used).

Cool, going to buy GTX 1070 maxq laptop

No problem! Hopefully it doesn't suck 😛

Oh left my comment after you replied haha, I didn't refresh. Yeah 1070 Max-Q is probably what I'd get if I was buying a laptop today, that or 1060 I think.

Yeah might as well wait if what you have at the moment works fine 👍

Thanks Janan!

The 10 series will still give you quite a big boost in performance, the 1060 for instance is still an excellent choice for 1080p 60 FPS gaming in many titles with good settings, hard to say if that will change much once the 20 series takes over though. I did actually hear on the hardware canucks channel that there is an NDA on the performance numbers which ends tomorrow, so there might be some more information on performance soon.

Jarrod'sTech If I want to buy right now. What would be best gtx 1070 laptop? I really like the ASU’s ROG Zephyrus M’ and Alienware 15 r4 !

I'd probably go the Zephyrus because I just really personally like thin laptops, I have a review on that one and it was pretty nice overall, trying to get my hands on the new Alienware laptops at the moment but no luck so far so haven't had a chance to test that one out for myself. Otherwise the other recent 1070 laptops I've tested were the Aorus X5 which was fairly good, or Helios 500 but those are on the thicker side compared to Zephyrus.

@@nikchamp1 alienware are overpriced :( go for the asus one!

Jarrod'sTech I really don’t care if the laptop is more than an inch the only thing i care is good thermals and excellent build quality.

Yeah probably, even 1080p I'd still expect years of use.

I haven't really been following console news, but I think AMD are doing some sort of ray tracing implementation at the hardware level for it, so yes I suppose in a way is a little similar to RTX, maybe.

The 8300H is a great CPU for games, of course depends what graphics you pair it with but CSGO has pretty low requirements, even a 1050 will give you good frame rates there. I recently compared the 8300H with the last generation 7700HQ and overall found it to perform around 10% better.

yeah i5 8300h is an amazing processor :)

It's the MSI GT75 Titan, I have a full review of it coming out tomorrow 😃

Yeah they look good in the demo, hopefully when more games implement it everything isn't just all shiny 😛

Thanks! Hopefully it won't take long for me to get the new ones once they come out.

It's the MSI GT75 Titan, it's got insane cooling! The full review should be up this weekend.

Cheers! I reached out to a couple of contacts to try and get some information but they either didn't know or weren't able to tell me yet 😛 seems like we've all just got to wait for a bit to get the information.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE DUDE..I WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN LATER....

Thanks! He has grown so fast it's pretty crazy, I subscribed to him when he was around the 50k mark 👌

I think the comment regarding better than titan xp was with regards to specific workloads, namely ray tracing in particular which is sped up by new hardware, I have my doubts that this would apply in many games practically. I'm sure it is a huge leap forward for that particular workload, but until more games actually make use of that it won't be that useful, although I suppose you've got to start somewhere with new technology.

Jarrod'sTech That’s true, and very well could be the case. I don’t believe there will be insane gains or anything, haha. However, speaking in regards to the RTX 2070, from the specifications alone, we see a modest 20%~ increase in cores on a new architecture (die shrink) with increased clock speeds and more efficient GDDR6 memory. It’s not far-fetched to suggest this card will go neck and neck with the GTX 1080 in current games. There are exciting times ahead regardless! I look forward to your reviews. 👍

Happy to help!

Fair enough! I hope to be able to get some Lenovo laptops for review in the future 😁

Yeah that's what it feels like based on the current information available, guess we'll have to wait and see though!

Yeah I guess we'll see, although for the most part in most laptops I've tested the GPU temps aren't too bad, at least compared to the 8th gen CPUs which always throttle first.

Depends. Non gaming laptop or thin gaming laptop. I dont think new laptop next year will able to properly and maintain at base clockspeed, forget about overclock. Also, you might not experience the full potential of the RTX chip due to heat and clockspeed thus desktop would be much better yet cheaper. 10 series would still be sufficient.

There might be some good sales, I saw it happen a few times with some 900 graphics laptops when 10 series came out, but there was a much larger performance jump that time around.

I believe there's gonna be something like "Stock clearance" for the Nvidia 10 series laptops. There will be good prices for them

That would be nice!

I guess we'll see 🤔

Doesn't look like it with the current price hike

@@leleedler if gtx cards lower in price I'll get a 1070ti

Why? Turing is basically just Pascal with ray tracing bolted on. As virtually no games support it yet, you're buying hardware that has questionable support later on down the line *cough* PhysX *cough* and with AMD not on board (yet?) I don't seem game devs really bothering with pushing ray tracing if a smaller, but still significant section of their customer's cards can't even support it. So essentially you're waiting for almost nothing. And on top of that, there's an almost 100% certainty that the RTX cards will be between 15-30% more expensive than the GTX cards.

@@harz426 yeah if gtx goes down in price. I'll pick up a 1070ti probably

Yeah 7th gen is still pretty sweet for gaming, 1060 is great too so it's a good combination 👌

And let’s not forget that a 1060 setup is better than any of the home consoles out on the market today. And since home consoles are the major factor in game design and development for most TripleA studios, the RTX implementation is even more unlikely for the near future.

Yeah fair point

And 1060 also plays PC MMO games like World of Warcraft on Ultra settings easily.

7-th gen CPU? eeeww. i5 8300h\8400h are so much better than them.

👍

I've already thrown my 1080 in the bin in preparation.. 😉

So for people who need a gaming laptop now what non outdated GPU would you recommend?

@@JarrodsTech UFD Tech reference ? Im still going to buy an XPS 9575 and a pen anyway, however ive had no response, do the amd graphics on laptops also have diagonal screen tearing on some games (nvidia optimus)? Its an issue im worried will persist with the 20 series on laptops

Haha nah just making a terrible joke 😛 I still haven't had the chance to try out any AMD laptops myself so I honestly don't know, sorry. @Matt I think 1060 is an excellent choice for 1080p 60 FPS gaming in modern games with high settings, should probably last for a while too, otherwise 1050Ti is still great too just more longevity with the 1060 in my opinion.

RU-vid's stupid reply system...that was supposed to be a reply to the guy suggesting the GPU's are outdated. - Andranarinivo I think it'll be awhile before we see these in laptops, especially the thin/light variety which is where my interest lies (more from a curiosity standpoint, I won't be replacing my GS65 anytime soon)

Yeah exactly, although I wanted to wait for more benchmarks to come out before using that as an example 😛 apparently that might be happening tomorrow, Hardware Canucks mentioned there was an NDA on benchmarks which lifts tomorrow.

Good to know Jarrod!

Yeah may be the case but I guess my thinking was it doesn't make the 1060 for instance terrible, considering I still use the 970M which is similar to the 1050Ti, I'd personally have no issues buying a 1060 laptop today 😛 either way need to see the benchmarks I think, I still personally feel like the improvements won't be as high as last time though.

yes but you'd be 2 years behind in terms of future proofness, as you know, games get more and more demanding each year. I am myself fine with gtx 950m because I only play less demanding games, but for gamers out there who always play the new highly demanding games it's pretty critical I'd say

It's not meant to be, it's a discussion about the topic based on the information at hand 🤔

Yeah the 1070 is a beast if I'd just got a laptop with one I'd still be perfectly satisfied with it, should be great for years to come I think. I guess we just need AMD / Radeon to be more competitive, because yeah doesn't really seem like there is the incentive for Nvidia to give us their best gaming graphics at the moment.

Jarrod'sTech I was very surprised when I started actively shopping for a new laptop and discovered just how much the GPU landscape had changed and the rate of change slowed. AMD seems to be miles away, not even trying to compete with the Series 10. So between gamers not really clamoring that loudly for better-faster-stronger than the 1070/1080 can do, and no competition pushing them along, it makes sense that they're taking their time. I don't have any huge brand preference between AMD and nVidia, but the lack of truly competitive options from AMD made that choice easy this time around.

Yeah true, it makes sense, why compete with yourself when you can essentially sit back and relax 😛

Yeah that's true, got to start somewhere I guess. I don't know how their ray tracing works, but it would be interesting if how ever they do it is proprietary to Nvidia, so by putting something like this out first they get a higher rate of game adoption in the future and by extension more sales when it's more widely supported.

I still think the 1060 would be a pretty good choice for a few years to come if you do go ahead and get it 👍 just my opinion though, given I run a 970M still which is similar to the 1050Ti and still decent for me.

@@JarrodsTech yep. I was gonna get it. But bro. It turned out it wasn't a Zephyrus laptop. I don't even know. www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-gu501gm-15-6-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-1tb-hybrid-drive-128gb-ssd-brushed-black/6207900.p?skuId=6207900 Is this a Zephyrus or just a similar model ?

Hmm it looks like the it, although I thought the 1060 Zephyrus was the GM501GM, I reviewed the GM501GS version which has the 1070 Max-Q, not exactly sure what the differences are with the GU501GM, looks like the same body and specs though.

@@JarrodsTech Yep. I saw that video. And I liked. But I guess I'll skip this model. Would you suggest the msi GS65 Series ? Like this one ? Model:GS63 STEALTH-010 Or which one would you similar to that Zephyrus one ?

GS65 is pretty nice yeah, very similar to the zephyrus I'd say, to the point I'd have trouble picking, I'd probably go the Zephyrus but I want to compare them in a future video. I haven't used the GS63 but yeah looks similar just with lower specs from what I can tell.

Not sure, maybe it is the future, we won't really know as need hardware with available features before software can efficiently do it, just have to wait and see

Hopefully it's worth the wait! From what I've seen the Omen is a pretty good laptop, I'd have no problem picking it up today if I really needed a laptop now.

Yeah I'd expect that to be the case

Screamy no way dude that bulky shit and too much aggressive looks and poor heat management I came from the Helios to this

Jarrod'sTech I think it will atleast last for 4 years what do you say?

Hmm not sure, it really depends as if the new graphics options are good then new games may push forward to take advantage of the new tech, plus you have to consider the 1060 is already 2 years old now, 4 years might be possible it's a good card but it's just too hard to guess.

Yeah I don't see why not, from my understanding they just use the usual PCIe connector so you could stick it in an eGPU enclosure and use it over Thunderbolt.

Cause got helios 500 with 2 thunderbolt 3s XD Hope so

Nice one, I just finished testing it and it was pretty good 👌

I saw it. Nice Video. Whats your personal Laptop/PC

For my laptop I still use an older 2012 13" Macbook Pro, although I rarely use it, just when I travel to browse the Internet. My PC is a Threadripper 1950x with 64GB or memory, EVGA 1080 FTW2, and 512gb 960 pro SSD.

What are you considering buying? I'd have no issues buying today personally based on the information at hand, but up to you and whether you want to wait to the end of the year / early next year.

Hopefully it's a worthy upgrade 😛 from the information I've seen so far I feel like it's not but I guess we'll see once there are benchmarks out there.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Yeah that's also a good point, depends how well they go with the first generation I guess which will be seen next month in the benchmarks.

@@JarrodsTech Yes. I do really want to Pre-Order, but keep thinking about all the problems with all the 1st gen products I bought........

Yeah for sure, personally I'd at least wait for some third party benchmarks but that's just me, it's likely they'll become available before the pre order period ends, I think in the past a week prior is typical.

@@JarrodsTech never pre-ordered any hardware before, so not sure. We will see

I have a feeling there won't be any, given we didn't see 1080ti laptops due to high power draw and heating

@@JarrodsTech top tier ti cards never make it on laptops. The 2080 will be one of the first available at CES likely

@@JoTokutora I think it's about power requirements and thermals more so than the naming convention, I'll be surprised if we see them 😛

@@JarrodsTech They may lower the power requirements specifically for the laptop, but the processing cores will be the same. The Speeds will also be lowered as it has been historically, that is a trend. few years ago we had laptop GPU north of 250 wats if I remember correctly, and those were M series, not the full blown Desktop that we have now

Hopefully there are some nice discounts!

@@JarrodsTech Hey you replied! Love your content keep up the good work.

Thanks! I try reply to everyone 😃

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Because I just bought a laptop with the 1060 :’/

Dinolava I just bought a new laptop with GTX 1060 as well

No I doubt it, that would still be good in games for quite a while I'd think, I can't see devs moving to ray tracing exclusively to kill performance on older hardware, assuming many games even use them. Depends a bit more on performance difference I guess, if we get a highly performing card then maybe newer games will be built to take advantage of that making the 10 series less useful, but from what I've seen so far it doesn't seem like it's going to be a huge jump over the 10 series, but again have to wait and see.

I doubt the drops would be that significant just due to a new graphics generation, my guess would be maybe a couple hundred dollars max, guess we'll see though.

Jarrod'sTech fair. I purchased a asus zephyrus m with a GTX 1070 arriving Friday. If I don't open the box I can return for a for full refund and think that is probably the smart choice. Real torn tho. Thanks for the response

I'd be happy with the 1070 for years I reckon but that's just me

Jarrod'sTech oh I'm sure I would adore the computer. It's more that it was 2300 bucks and will prob go down

Maybe a little, probably not more than maybe a couple hundred dollars though, just my guess though.

I know this feel, I use a 970m and 6700hq 👌

That'd be nice 😛 still not sure I'm big enough to get a brand new laptop first over larger channels / websites though, I guess we'll see!

@@JarrodsTech while you may be small, the actual content you cover is up there with dave2d, and even better in a good number of aspects. Yours is, imo, the channel for gaming laptops for people that know their stuff. You don't just spew marketing terms and run a benchmark or two like most laptop reviews. You do the right thing: a full benchmarking suite and teardown. Even just the fact that you always open them up for upgrade options puts you over the edge.

Thanks, hopefully others think the same and send me 20 series laptops on launch haha 👌

@@JarrodsTech :) Also, totally serious about that last part. PLEASE never stop doing the upgradability/cooling teardowns. I think, and others likely agree, that those are CRAZY important, and are often neglected by other channels.

I'll do my best! I go into it a bit more in the Helios 500 video because you have to remove various components to get to others. I want to always at least show the internals as a minimum, I recently bought a good screw driver kit so should be set for that, unless it's extremely difficult to open for some reason with the risk of breaking something then I should be able to do it.

Up to you but if i was after a gaming laptop and needed it soon I'd probably just go the Helios 300 with that budget, you'll get the 8750H, 1060 graphics and 144Hz screen which should be a pretty nice combination, I should be getting it later this week for review so more info on it soon 😃

@@JarrodsTech i can wait till December tho

Another comment mentioned that Eurocom said they'd have laptops with new graphics in early 2019, so yeah we might be looking at announcement in a few months then some more months for them to come out, at this point I'd expect to at least have news by December of what's happening so you could wait and evaluate at that time.

Or get a metabox laptop a clevo based laptop

Yeah hopefully I can get some new models from them when they have them available 😃

That would make a lot more sense I think.

Yeah good strategy, I want to see the benchmarks!

yeah and awesome video as always mate :)

Cheers!

Yeah a great option for eGPU in the future 😁

No problem!

Just need to go back in time two years 😎

Yeah that's a great graphics card I'd definitely hold onto it for a while!

Yeah that does sound useful for VR improvements, personally I'm not too interested in the 9th gen, for the most part the rumours seem to indicate it's just a small refresh (like the small change from 6th > 7th) while Intel is stuck on 14nm.

Yeah pretty much all the 10 series graphics I've used in recent laptops have been fine, the issue is always the 8th gen CPUs, either too hot or power limited 🤔

@@JarrodsTech and in games GPU is used 100% and CPU usage is 50% but CPU is even hotter. We need AMD 7 nm cheap in next year

That's true, I didn't think about that when writing that either, even worse 😛

@@JarrodsTech AMD told they next gen GPU and CPU will be 7nm, it's in 2019 and with AMD cheap freesink fuck Intel and nvidia

Can't wait to test it out when it's available!

Yeah that's a good point, for the most part the i7-8750H laptops I've tested have all been quite warm, usually in comparison the graphics are a fair bit warmer so maybe there is a bit of wiggle room on the GPU side of things, depends how thin your laptop is I suppose 🤔

That’s correct; if one is happy with a thick, properly cooled, purpose-purchased gaming laptop then the cooling is almost a non-issue.

I'm well aware, it's just how I sound. You should compare this to my old stuff, it sounds way better, sure I have a lot of improvement to make but I'm doing my best and trying to get better each time.

It will be interesting to see what they can do with the more powerful graphics given they're limited by a thinner chassis.