NZ ACT David Seymour: Easy Debate Winner 100% 

Who's he debating tho? nice brainwashing tactics can't even show the other sides points only you saying seymour 100% won ....Okay 🙄🙄🙄

YOU are being sold a lie by David. Article 2 of his bill contains the words "other agreement with the Crown" This clause allows ANY future government to enter an agreement with iwi for ANYTHING, eg co-governance, unelected seats in councils, co-leadership of any government agency etc etc. We know from the current Seabed coastal stuff that activists and high paid lawyers will take advantage of ANY opportunity to advance there radical tribal rule cause. DO NOT support this bill with article 2's current wording. YOU are being sold on the idea, not the actual bill's wording......

Rubbish you don't see the co governance practiced because you wear a racial lens. You just make assumptions with no facts, in fact I bet you can't be bothered watching the debate.

the treaty doesnt make sense to him?

​@@swoopy287you think he doesn't understand the treaty? Or you just refusing to listen

@@johnnygoggles6427 i think he confused himself

Knighthood from a pedophile family

And why not! Radicals take note, get with the programme.

@rod-contracts1616 how bout prince Andrew, Jimmy Saville, lord mount batten... those titles are attached to pedophilia

​@@mobbarley7517Touché...mb is it? LOL 👍

Call bullshit on that statement simply the number that voted for act policy fall far short of a majority not even 20% your delusional if you believe under 15% Is a majority go back to school cause your numeracy skills are shocking

The majority is NOT infact behind him.

His party got less than 9 percent of the vote. Not even close.

@@nz_proud With this sensibility and wise problem solving his party will get 90 percent at next polling

@@sclark9011he is polling at about 5 percent so NO

Lies is what David Seymour is dealing in. Maori did NOT cede sovereignty.

we are not all equal and never should be.

​@@Justin-fr8xgA nice fantasy but correct, impossible. Make the most of oneself.

We are all human and have human rights …in this way we are equal…and are to be treated equally. Our shared humanity binds us …and human rights for all …should be guaranteed.

@@Neil-yx3rc be careful what you wish for, this era we are in is making your rights into a privilge. Our shared humanity binds us you say, its never been that way, There has always been different agendas.

​@@Neil-yx3rcwell said

No even as Maoris migrated from South East Asia. Maoris are not native to New Zealand. Parliament has proof of people who were already living in nz way before Maoris landed on the shores of nz. So why is the history of nz only being told from when Maoris arrived. What about before Maoris landed on the shores of nz. The treaty needs to be burned and get the original copy's from the UK that were signed by Maoris and Queen Victoria as the treaty says for all New Zealanders as there were other people already living in nz way before Maoris. Maoris are greedy racist people who are killing New Zealand and New Zealanders/ country

Actually way less.

@@Geoff-lu3qv Most people that identify as Scottish are probably only a quarter Scottish. Bet that thought has never crossed your mind.

Much better to do those two things than define something that does not even exist in the first place

YOU are being sold a lie by David. Article 2 of his bill contains the words "other agreement with the Crown" This clause allows ANY future government to enter an agreement with iwi for ANYTHING, eg co-governance, unelected seats in councils, co-leadership of any government agency etc etc. We know from the current Seabed coastal stuff that activists and high paid lawyers will take advantage of ANY opportunity to advance there radical tribal rule cause. DO NOT support this bill with article 2's current wording. YOU are being sold on the idea, not the actual bill's wording.

Needs primitive thought to argue about this.

If you look at the people who have in this comment section alone. You can tell that they are typically racist and hate thinking.

The other side of this debate were stuck on their definition of a word in the te Reo version of the treaty. That’s it. Sovereignty wasn’t ceded, in their narrow view, and everything else follows. According to the other fella, the treaty was an agreement between “Anglo saxons” and Māori, which shows you how silly it is.

I agree. It has become weaponized in consistent attacks on those who are non-Māori. If we are truly a country that is against racism, then it must go.

Always was. Pro-separatists ruling on their own interests.

Yep just not under your regime!

​@@matakitaki1you are the fallen

@@matakitaki1 We have the numbers.

@@logicalanswer3529 You don't have anything, you don't have logic, you don't have facts and you don't have good representation. Pack your bags boy!

@@renatozanoli8722 a house built on sand will never stand

notes from handlers bro these radicals are puppets

Helmut bought receipts with him. David just waffled.

notes from his handlers 😂

​​@@jameslikesbookswe get it,you're a salty leftie voter..so Hell Mutt brought receipts with him? Did he buy some chewing gum or tissues on his way to the debate.?

@@jameslikesbooks Receipts for what? Bikes from Darleen Tana?

Absolutely agree

Each has strengths, and imperfections.

Luxon knows that Seymour's quixotic misadventure is a bridge to nowhere. DS doesn't have the votes.

Absolutely. That's democracy

No no he got done and was embarrased at his lack of knowledge.

​@@matakitaki1you should be embarrassed by your lack of knowledge. Grow up

@@schlookie Awww is someone a little upset for getting put in your place. I feel sorry for seymour he is like the nightwatchman hoping to hit a century, yet he is your opening batsman, out you get.

​@matakitaki1 How can you tell? I suspect he knows a lot more and was being very diplomatic. Surely no one believes the premise that sovereignty wasn't ceded and the 100 thousand Maori signed a treaty with Britain so the crown could rule over a few thousand people? Only British subjects in NZ at that time? Why not have treaties with the French as well? All the iwi were together? Not fighting each other at the time? Unless people are honest then no progress can be made.

@@schlookie I agree. Someone who is ignorant and racist is not in any position to accuse other people of their lack of knowledge.

It’s the media that’s causing the fear of it by saying it’s anti Māori, whereas the bill codifies in law that every individual in New Zealand is equal. Beautiful.

Once again.. He is making a document to say a Pākēha thing and not a Māori thing....

@@maorifilmabsolute BS. He is arguing it is time for us as a nation to have a mature and sensible discussion around our future as a country. As the years tick by Māori will become more of a minority in Nz just as European nz’s will also. We are a multi racial country. And that will intensify in the coming decades. And I hate to say the vast majority of new migrants don’t care less about Māori grievances. I suspect there has never been a better time for Māori to have this discussion. In future decades the treaty will be bulldozed over by ruthless new immigrant groups.

@@Sambo77261incorrect, he is cherry picking certain parts of te tiriti (the English one) and trying to strip away any rights that Māori have to equity or the right to self govern

@@Sambo77261also you’re incorrect about Māori becoming more of a minority. We recently hit 1,000,000 Māori (over 20% of our population) and it is only growing

Davids very confused by the treaty

​@@Justin-fr8xgDream on.

100% correct

💯 modern grifters ignore the fact that maori looked up to the british and the level they were at when the two cultures met.

Yeah Māori did, King George the 5th, He whanaunatanga.. Research that, i can honestly say you wont like that....

@@maorifilm He Whakaputanga 😂 bro, I'm white and even I can spell it correctly. In the early 19th century, before New Zealand was a British colony, many European traders, whalers and settlers arrived here. Because of concerns about the behaviour of some Europeans, and the lack of laws to govern them, the British government appointed James Busby to be an official ‘British Resident’. Busby arrived in Waitangi, in the Bay of Islands, in 1833. Ships needed to fly the flag of a country, but New Zealand didn’t have a national flag and a New Zealand-owned ship had been seized in Sydney for not flying a flag. In March 1834 Busby called together chiefs in Northland to decide on a flag. They were presented with three options, and the one they chose became known as the United Tribes’ flag. Busby hoped this would encourage different iwi (tribes) to work together. In the 1830s the British were concerned that France or the United States might try to claim New Zealand. Because of this, in 1835 Busby, with help from missionaries Henry Williams and William Colenso, drafted a statement for chiefs to sign in which they declared themselves rulers of New Zealand. The version that was signed was in Māori, but an English translation was also made. So, just northern chiefs (the ones that had pretty much controlled most of the territory post musket wars Ngati Toa et al) signed this document which was drafted by the english to basically stop their ships being seized and to 'encourage different tribes to work together' 🤷‍♂ Hope that helped you understand what you are talking about...

Wrong 🫣 Hongi went to England in 1820's n he used those muskets all 300 of them to vanquish our enemies true But by 1830;we made our own ships traded around the world Declared Independence by 1835 which was signed by the paramount chiefs Then they signed te Tiriti nb1840 where over 500 chiefs of Northland signed as heads of tribes WTF are u on about not every settler signed either and there less than a cuple hunerd there why werent theyy included bcoz they were "flotsom n jettison" that had resorted to our shores for freedom hence the reason for a Tiriti to allow ur Empire to deal with these criminals "your kawanatanga"!! Coz we wuda just knocked these clowns onna head Dont firget we were collecting a gold sovereign per ship per day at Russell Sometimes there wud be upwards of a 1000 ships anchored there at any given time the money paid to our bank account in Australia after 1840 our shios were blockaded in their harbours and or burnt or impounded and sent with the pirate fleet to the Sth China sea to harrass the Chinese trading ships during the 1st Opium war Where did the hank acc go 😁 the British confiscated the acc n turned it into the Reserve bank of New Zealand😎🖕bro u dont know shit abt us or our country

His party got 9 percent of the vote. Won't happen.

@@nz_proud he’ll be deputy soon enough and all it takes is Luxon going away on vacation or something….in fact I think David had the reigns for a week a couple of months back.

Then how is Helmut "a good man?" He pushed the radicals' bs.

Well said

The silent what? A very small MINORITY voted for this person

He has literally fueled a race-based debate that has divided this country. What about that is peaceful? 😂

​@@Devin-w7tgrow up

@@Devin-w7t That's your opinion.

@@KatharineShaw-z8u Actually if you look at polls it’s fact. The country is split on this bill

@@Devin-w7t Doesn't split mean 50-50?

Sure, let’s forget about how Winston Peters and Shane Jones even exist then

You'd be really surprised at how many agree with David and just want to move forward and achieve.

100% correct.

I hope so.

Well said by david

Me too. As someone with cardiomyopathy, I like the idea of a country with no ethnicity-based privilege.

Because they struggle to understand in general.

It's not so much that I disagree with David as I bear a warning. Exactly who is David governing for, New Zealanders or supra-national entities? And if it is New Zealanders, how is he defining New Zealanders? We need to have a long hard discussion on what we what New Zealand to be going forward and, most importantly, what we don't want it to be. I do not want us to head down the path of Italy, Spain, France, Germany, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Sweden.... and so on.

As far as I can tell, the only people who dislike David are racist, professional victims. They are in panic mode as they watch their gravy train derailing as he gives New Zealanders what they want - No more ethnicity-based privileges. And equality for all New Zealanders.

1. Colonialism didn't come bearing, "Harmony."? 2. Colonialisms' "Self-Serving Ambitions" are "Obvious," to this "Very Day."? 3. Colonialism IS, the "Opportunity," to "Gain," something For "Nothing? And that's, "Colonialism" all over.

@-KAIX-0405-NZ Oh OK, the old hard done by argument.......history is full of winners and losers, crimes, invasive overtakes etc....that's what happens when a species explores a finite planet in search of space to expand.......it's all been found, we're here in the now ......its time to get on with it ....or not, its your life.

Athaelstan united the Anglo Saxons to help create a united Kingdom at a time when there was threat of being overun by outside invaders. That's completely different to the context of the signing of Te Tiriti. Maori clearly did not cede sovereignty in Te Tiriti. Tino Rangatiratanga literally means absolute chieftainship. Whatever rewriting of history is undertaken by Act, this will not change the meaning of words that are in black and white in Te Tiriti

@@DrBojangles007 The material context is that a number of Kingdoms merged under one sovereign. Therefore the material context is precisley the same. Your attempt to distinguish is valiant but relies on immaterial considerations and is thus invalid. If I am wrong, tell me, which chief was the sovereign? Who, if not Queen Victoria, is the Athelstan of New Zealand?

@@DrBojangles007 "when there was threat of being overun by outside invaders. That's completely different to the context" Really? you don't think that was the 1840 context in New Zealand.. are you serious?

@@rickspestcontrol Of course they're different contexts. The Anglo Saxons united under a single AngloSaxon King. A single group of people united. The Maori and British were two separate groups. The British were also outsiders (just as the French and Dutch, etc). In your silly analogy it would be akin to the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms deciding to cede sovereignty to and come under the rule of a Viking king.

@@DrBojangles007 oh.. you mean like the immortal seven did with William of Orange? Your proposed "grouping" is not material to how those groups acquired or lost sovereignty.

Grow up

@@schlookie amateur

@@swoopy287 ye wee bundle of sticks

Do you know what Māori were thinking when they realized they had no hope of winning and signed the treaty?

@@logicalanswer3529 do you?

What is your alternative?

​@@nevilleangelo490 There are lots of alternative, well informed approaches out there via Geoffrey Palmer and other constitutional experts and the Matiki Mai Report that has a values based approach. This aversion to using experts and evidence from this government in favour of misinformed populism is dangerous.

False. Māori make up 64% of the female and 54% of the male prison population which has nothing to do with "the crown". They overly represented negatively in child abuse and neglect, early education, homelessness, domestic abuse, drug and alcohol abuse. All of which have nothing to do with "the crown"

mighty maori mob country 😂.🤔destroying the image of their own country we think in China lol😂😂😂

Grow up and get a life.

@@MaryAda-wj3dy 🤣 🤣 🤣

@@MaryAda-wj3dy Be proud of how you've phukd the country😂😂😂

David is 100% correct when he says that there should be no more ethnicity-based privilege. Good on him for fighting racism.

​@@logicalanswer3529Quote Dr. Ranginui Walker. "Racism," is a "Fossil" of, "Colonialism." Check the Definition of the "C" word, Illogical Imbecile. You're in serious need of a, "Really Check."

In a democracy, you can become the politician that changes it all now be the change you want to see

There are a lot of ridiculous bills why are you worried about this one?

@@PeteThecurious100 I’m not worried about it, it’s being shut down 😂

If u are right all Maori would back u but large amount don't why does Maori party have such low following

@@barrygeary9362 te Pati Māori are not the only ones who disagree with the bill. Literally every single party in the Parliament except for Act are voting this bill down. But if you’d like to argue about party following, Act got less than 9% of the vote?

@@Devin-w7t We are playing the long game, See Julian Bachelor Stop Co-Government. This bill is so fundamentally sound it will not go away. ACT will get stronger as the years go by.

False - David always annoys the professional victims and racists alike. They never give any literal examples based on any factual information.

Rubbish

@@MaryAda-wj3dy rubbish yourself Act idiot

@@MaryAda-wj3dy your an egg

It is not theirs. We have the numbers.

Scrap the treaty. Scrap the Māori Party. Neither make any sense

their chiefs are responsible for a large portion of the land sales. Take it up with them and put the blame where the blame lies.

False. He is putting an end to ethnicity-based privilege and it has annoyed a lot of racist people.

​@@logicalanswer3529David was the best debater. Helmet got smoked.

False - David always annoys the professional victims and racists alike. They never give any literal examples based on any factual information.

​​@@logicalanswer3529so true. David was the winner. More like Sheryl's trump like mantra comment.