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The crew tries their hand at Magic's hottest new format - Oathbreaker! With sixty card decks and Planeswalkers as leaders, things are bound to get wild!
Sorin, Solemn Visitor vs Chandra, Torch of Defiance vs Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner vs Oko, Thief of Crowns
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@jakehodge8324
@jakehodge8324 Год назад
Zulaport only triggers on your own creatures, guys. Blood Artist triggers on all creatures but deals damage to target opponent
@LetoTheTyrant
@LetoTheTyrant Год назад
I feel like they have gotten that wrong every time Zulaport is in a game
@K1ddb1ub1az3
@K1ddb1ub1az3 Год назад
Yes, everytime they think they know what this card does And still be wrong 😮😂
@jakehodge8324
@jakehodge8324 Год назад
@@K1ddb1ub1az3 Reading the card explains the card. Like, come on
@DB-mp4pm
@DB-mp4pm Год назад
Need Justin back. Or at least someone that knows black cards
@razielthedamn4301
@razielthedamn4301 Год назад
They dont care. We might, but they dont
@kieranwouter2361
@kieranwouter2361 Год назад
Reading cards explains them. Corey used one treasure to crack a food (then had two treasures left for next turn instead of one) and no one read zulaport cutthroat. The banter and interaction between you guys is great, but the basics have to be right too.
@shogun452
@shogun452 Год назад
Oathbreaker, maybe more than any other casual format, really requires a playgroup that is on the same page about power level. It’s very fun when people build similarly powerful (or not powerful) decks, but it can become broken easily. My favorite personal deck I have is a Tezzeret agent of bolas with rise and shine, as a vehicle deck. Super casual, super fun.
@chrisrobinson6684
@chrisrobinson6684 Год назад
Link to your list? I’d love to try it.
@shogun452
@shogun452 Год назад
@@chrisrobinson6684 I don’t have it online, but the idea is to play the cheap vehicles with keywords, and when they are animated with tezz or rise and shine they keep those keywords. So something like smuggler’s copter becomes a 2 mana 5/5 flyer, with its attack trigger. Definitely better ways to build Tezz, but it really feels like little kid magic, so i always have a blast.
@dood3050
@dood3050 Год назад
zulaport only triggers on stevens creatures
@tdwpguy42
@tdwpguy42 Год назад
For future reference if you Elk magus all non basics are still mountains because of layers
@Taphosthewarlock
@Taphosthewarlock Год назад
Can you explain why this is? "Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3." suggests it loses the static ability that causes land to be mountains. It's not continutally impacting so there's no ability to be considered at another layer.
@Rizso1
@Rizso1 Год назад
@@Taphosthewarlock the layer rules of changing types vs layer where abilities are gained and lost.
@scifoncra6376
@scifoncra6376 Год назад
do nonbasic lands after he is turned to an elk also become mountains?
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
​@@scifoncra6376 after some research on my part, yes. Because of the way layers work the Magus' ability is constantly active.
@MM-lv4iv
@MM-lv4iv Год назад
Signature spell can never go anywhere BUT the Command Zone and the stack.
@shawnminer4355
@shawnminer4355 Год назад
Yep...really messed up that zulaport cutthroat trigger
@zadkiel4
@zadkiel4 Год назад
No Decklists? Would be awesome to have them
@thenewlollipopjam8248
@thenewlollipopjam8248 Год назад
My Oathbreaker deck years ago was Huatli, the Sun's Heart / Bar the Door infect
@Steven-rb7ph
@Steven-rb7ph Год назад
Magic's hottest new format in 2019.
@brandonlapple6949
@brandonlapple6949 Год назад
2018* was when I introduced my pod to it. My decks were too skrong. Pod no like. Oathbreaker lasted all of 4-5 games...rip 2018.
@honor6100
@honor6100 Год назад
Jeremy is playing my favorite card in the whole game
@shawnminer4355
@shawnminer4355 Год назад
I like how Corey wanted to play okko and still have friends but little did he know that playing oko at all an means you already have friends
@Rococo478
@Rococo478 Год назад
Really like this format and how it's anti-durdle while built around the durdliest card type.
@ChieftainKirk
@ChieftainKirk Год назад
Song of the Dryads doesn't prevent Flame Rift from being cast. If anything, it gets him closer to casting it again.
@benjaminweiner7014
@benjaminweiner7014 Год назад
While it gave him 1 mana as a forest it took away the +1 that adds 2 red mana...
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
Trading two mana for one doesn't set someone back?
@brandonlapple6949
@brandonlapple6949 Год назад
I've been waiting since Justin Parnell to watch you guys play this format............. ....Heck yes!
@brandonlapple6949
@brandonlapple6949 Год назад
.....aaaaaand Zulaport disappointment :(
@ThjyuGaming
@ThjyuGaming Год назад
Oathbreaker has been super fun in my play group! loving it!
@sinistrdairy2971
@sinistrdairy2971 Год назад
Reading the card explains the card.
@Thewallace7347
@Thewallace7347 Год назад
I loved the game. for anyone that has preconceived notions about the formate, i highly suggest giving it a try. Most decks are easy to build (60 cards is less than 100) and it still leads to some interesting interactions. The big pull for the formate is its speed and the banning of fast mana for less feel bads
@leonardparangiwicks6083
@leonardparangiwicks6083 Год назад
On the flip side of the coin. I have built several oathbreaker decks and just generally hate that the format is too quick. I like the inconsistency of 100 card commander. I also feel like the format is extremely unbalanced
@Thewallace7347
@Thewallace7347 Год назад
@@leonardparangiwicks6083 well not every formate is for everyone and thats fine. thanks for at least trying it instead of being one of those weirdos that shoots stuff down before giving it a second thought. I find the speed to be good cause I have adhd and by midway during a commander game I've gotten bored. Id rather get 10 oathbreaker games in than 3 commander games. But again its all preferences and its fine we both have our own
@Thewallace7347
@Thewallace7347 Год назад
@@shawnmcmahon3117 not really, people have tried to "break" it but even with flash hulk being a tier 1 strategy its kept in check by the fact that free or cheap interaction (forces, pitch elements, pacts, silence, ect) is alot more consistent
@casteanpreswyn7528
@casteanpreswyn7528 Год назад
Fast mana literally isn't banned when Bubbling Muck, all the non-color specific Mox cards being legal, and Dramatic Reversal+Iso being legal. Also, Petal was literally played in this game right at the beginning. "No fast mana" lol. The *only* fast mana banned in this format that isn't banned in commander is sol ring, crypt, vault, geyser, and high tide. Banning 5 cards isn't "banning fast mana", it's banning cards that are auto includes for no logical reason(I understand crypt and vault, if only for how prohibitively expensive they are). I find it really funny that, in a format where it is significantly better than in commander, Jeska's Will isn't banned. It is better than geyser, but is legal. The ban list really comes across like the old commander ban list where its just a bunch of cards 1 person doesn't like playing against.
@Thewallace7347
@Thewallace7347 Год назад
@@casteanpreswyn7528 they ban and unban stuff based off of play testing. I think jeska's will eventually get the axe, but bans take time. They wait at least 3 months for a card to be out before a ban and even then they are hesitant to ban cards. Also I miss spoke sorry they banned the best fast mana, not all of it. Like it or not you have to admit that soul ring, mana crypt and the likes only lead to feels bad moments and commander would do good banning them especially when people that play vintage are willing to make the argument that they are just as good as the power nine mox. The fast mana left over is either not as good cause they have a cost to them (2 of the moxin you have to do card disadvantage for, 3 you have to meet a condition/ wait to use) or not as utilized as the counter parts (bubbling muck isn't as good as high tide because black doesn't have nearly as many untap effects). Im not saying those cards aren't good just clearly not as good as sol ring or high tide.
@cloaking111
@cloaking111 Год назад
It would've been really funny had someone played Shorikai since it is the only legal non-planeswalker commander in the format
@brendan8114
@brendan8114 Год назад
wait what?
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 Год назад
@@brendan8114 All instances of can be played as commander are errated to your oathbreaker so shoriki somehow can be
@MrMalorian
@MrMalorian Год назад
Well that was faster than I expected - TWSS
@MrBishop95
@MrBishop95 Год назад
Corey’s last time playing Oko was in fact not Richmond. -Corey’s round 14 opponent from SCG Columbus 2020
@petrushartanto6707
@petrushartanto6707 Год назад
Zulaport doesnt trigger on other people creature
@GoldenAgeFalseEcho
@GoldenAgeFalseEcho Год назад
I can't BELIEVE they bungled Zulaport and it mattered for both games! You can SEE Stephen leaning forward to "read" his own card. SMH
@Repaurcas
@Repaurcas Год назад
Oko'ing Magus of the Moon actually would not unlock your Lands, because layers :D
@marklaufer3481
@marklaufer3481 11 месяцев назад
I believe to truely balance the game is that only sorcery spells should be your signature spell because planeswalkers can only activate their ablity at sorcery speed. Maybe magic will make enchantment type of card that adds loyalty abilities to any permanent
@Gavinpoidemo
@Gavinpoidemo Год назад
John what's your personal oathbreaker deck?
@JamesNastyvision
@JamesNastyvision 10 месяцев назад
This is what the people want to know.
@matthewwebb4777
@matthewwebb4777 Год назад
Hey - you guys should do a show of a commander and a signature battle - I bet there are some sweet combos!
@Alejandrodemontana
@Alejandrodemontana Год назад
Jeremy and Corey clearly need to start colluding.
@joshuasmith2981
@joshuasmith2981 Год назад
Nice!
@aviansword
@aviansword Год назад
I don't think that's how zula does work but I also don't think that really affected how the game played out.
@dkmsodin_
@dkmsodin_ Год назад
I do think that Stephen won the first game because of it
@honeybadger897
@honeybadger897 Год назад
20:55 im confused here. How does Zulaport Cutthroat kill Jeremy and Jonathan, when it is only one trigger? Even if it was Blood Artist it was only 3 triggers. So how was 4 life lost? Do they not know how to read the cards or what?
@W1sef0x
@W1sef0x Год назад
I see Oko I'm pleased.
@coreysierchio4650
@coreysierchio4650 Год назад
Probably no were near as strong, but Arlinn Kord leading Werewolves with Moon mist as my spell is what I'd play.
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
Loading Ready Run did that. You might want to check that out.
@trevorpeters4976
@trevorpeters4976 Год назад
Like, comment, share, subscribe, binge, and ring in a new format
@derrickwarner1
@derrickwarner1 Год назад
Finally!
@Strawb_milk5
@Strawb_milk5 Год назад
I wonder if oathbreaker will end up like brawl
@ArmageddonAsh
@ArmageddonAsh Год назад
As a dead format that no one cares about once the FoTM wears off? Most likely.
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
It's been around a long time already, but I generally agree that it won't have the staying power of commander.
@saiconjr
@saiconjr Год назад
obligatory Cutthroat is only on creatures you control comment
@Flabsturbation
@Flabsturbation Год назад
This might be irrelevant but even if you Oko a magus of the moon all nonbasics are still mountains.
@RappingRain
@RappingRain Год назад
Incorrect ruling explained on the Oko and Magus interaction. Even if Oko turned Magus into an Elk all the non basics would still be mountains.
@JohnDoe-jf4we
@JohnDoe-jf4we Год назад
I just want a good bant GG to play both Oko and big Tef in the same deck 😢
@duanebrown7384
@duanebrown7384 Год назад
I like it.
@BioRoot
@BioRoot Год назад
I see why Oathbreaker never took off... The game ends before it even starts.
@ohyea456
@ohyea456 Год назад
To be fair, there was a burn deck that was designed around dealing damage to everyone. He dealt like 6+ a turn to everyone. Cutting the number of turns in half, at least.
@Thewallace7347
@Thewallace7347 Год назад
Thats the pull to the formate not a negative. it was designed with the purpose of being able to be played over a lunch break. And if you do have time getting in 6 or 7 games can lead to just as much fun as getting in 2 games of commander. I suggest trying it at least once since the formate is overall cheaper than commander because almost all the fast mana is banned (including sol ring). It is really fun and I've been enjoying it
@casteanpreswyn7528
@casteanpreswyn7528 Год назад
​@The Wallace the weird thing is High Tide is banned but Bubbling Muck isn't. Also, aside from the power 9 moxen, none of them are banned.
@joshbublitz4657
@joshbublitz4657 Год назад
@@casteanpreswyn7528 how many monoblack cards untap the lands that you are using to tap for extra mana. also muck is a sorcery which is relevant at times.
@mandielyn0416
@mandielyn0416 Год назад
Can Jon please do a Dandan episode!?!
@erikstokely4734
@erikstokely4734 Год назад
I have won with mechanize production and dockside extortionist
@leonardparangiwicks6083
@leonardparangiwicks6083 Год назад
I won with mech pro on my academy manufactor. Interestingly the enchanted permenanent doesn't have to be the artifact that has 8 copies of.
@RyuPlaneswalker
@RyuPlaneswalker Год назад
ELK! ELK! ELK! ELK!
@UliOliveTree
@UliOliveTree Год назад
Fabled passage fetches for tapped basic land. Corey only sacreficed 1 treasure to pay for food 3 life. humm..
@Universum
@Universum Год назад
If you control 4 or more lands after fetching then the fetched land enters untapped.
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
​@@Universum this is only functionally incorrect. The land enters tapped then untaps. It's only relevant when you get other game pieces involved like Amulet of Vigor.
@Universum
@Universum Год назад
@@markbrierley6367 Yes good point! Laziness on my end lol
@Dark-Pikachu1
@Dark-Pikachu1 Год назад
What Jake hodge said is my comment
@twolf7448
@twolf7448 Год назад
this just looks like another super competitive broken type format :D fun to watch, don't think i will ever play it. (not big on the hyper competitive formats anymore, i like my casual)
@captamerica3016
@captamerica3016 Год назад
Comment section is going to be crazy after the zulaport misplays.
@RDMatija
@RDMatija Год назад
Baby teferi and Emergency powers.. Smothering tithe or narset
@yorkazord319
@yorkazord319 Год назад
Why are Jeremy’s decks always so bad. Also, why does he always flood his mana base
@sanosuke660
@sanosuke660 Год назад
This format is dead Until it gets put on Arena. 😢
@stefanstewart9079
@stefanstewart9079 Год назад
Another version is what we needed for sure /s
@goodwining956
@goodwining956 Год назад
More oathbreaker please! Turn up the power level as well
@necrosisofphilosophy5247
@necrosisofphilosophy5247 Год назад
I was hoping to see wrenn and six/gamble with legacy lands. I recently made an alpha of the deck and it just steam rolls with marit lages
@necrosisofphilosophy5247
@necrosisofphilosophy5247 Год назад
I plan on putting land control and destruction in it
@lilkyafroninja4671
@lilkyafroninja4671 Год назад
Justin still out?
@shawnmcmahon3117
@shawnmcmahon3117 Год назад
Ummm... read the cards maybe?
@ManjMau
@ManjMau Год назад
Yay! Showing zome representation to Oathbreaker!
@MrSlaress
@MrSlaress Год назад
The Zulaport mistake ruins this whole episode.
@jb87rell
@jb87rell Год назад
Stephen please please please just read your cards.
@tabletopgamer7475
@tabletopgamer7475 Год назад
First?
@tobiasgabler1811
@tobiasgabler1811 Год назад
Love you guys and your content. But really don't like that format
@adamwarehime6444
@adamwarehime6444 Год назад
Tiny leaders was a better format oath breaker is to boring an just bad
@nemoforever
@nemoforever Год назад
People still play this?
@Tantrumspam
@Tantrumspam Год назад
Please for the 100th time - get rid of the background music, it's highly irritating to many of the viewers.
@MaximilianoEmanuel.
@MaximilianoEmanuel. Год назад
Man what a boring game people want commander games not this thing.
@Smaul002
@Smaul002 Год назад
Still not a fan of telling the audience what the deck does at random times. A brief overview before the game starts is so much better imo
@evanmcc2000
@evanmcc2000 Год назад
Never realized im the worst like John. Man, if only me and him could be removed....
@joshuanelson4819
@joshuanelson4819 Год назад
Thumbs down for Oathbreaker, and thumbs down for stephen not reading his damn cards. This is also partially on everyone else for not reading other peoples cards. SCG has enough money to have another person just to make sure rules are being followed.
@psychozen7169
@psychozen7169 Год назад
They need to ban some cards. Glad you all did not play the broken Planeswalker and spells and looks like no one played the broken turn 2. I draw all the cards you draw no cards.
@dickgeiger9506
@dickgeiger9506 Год назад
Turning Johns oathbreaker into a land with the enchantment wouldn't stop him from casting his spell they follow the same rules as commander so while the card itself is still in play he still controls his "oathbreaker"
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 Год назад
Commander Versus used to be my number one show. I'd rush to watch new videos. This time I watched the LRR Canlander and Commander videos and PleasantKenobi's Ragavan Historic Brawl video and then went to sleep, and looked into watching Game Knights before getting to this one. I don't really like PK, he's just informative and I dislike Josh Lee Kwai. Some of your fanbase has been complaining about the reduced quality and entertainment from this channel. I hope they are heeded. Along those lines, please, I'm begging you, get rid of that background music. Lol at Corey claiming to be a Commander player while still regularly needing staples explained to him, which I typed up before even watching the Fierce Guardianship misplay. Speaking of staples needing to be explained: Zulaport Cuthroat is here. Game 1 was interesting, but not fun to watch. I get that Oathbreaker is supposed to be much faster, but that's not what I, and, based on the comments, many others, come here for. Plus the rules issues ended the game much faster. Oathbreaker was an interesting diversion and I knew they would do it, but I'll be happy to go back to Commander. This is, I believe, the first time that the gang has not stuck to precedent to determine points. This means there's no chance of predicting how points work based on how they've worked in the past. Yet another reason to potentially drop the series. Edit: oh Lord, I tried to watch the Game Knights episode. :barf:
@d.k.sovereign8642
@d.k.sovereign8642 Год назад
Mehhhhh
@alexkonic4172
@alexkonic4172 Год назад
The rules misses on this show just get worse and worse. Zulaport triggers on wrong creatures, saying a cost increase effect alters a free spell. If a spell says without paying it's mana cost, cost increases don't work, you apply all relevant increases, then decreases, then alternate effects, so playing without paying would still work
@bejoe35
@bejoe35 Год назад
If there is a mandatory additional cost, you must pay that cost. Casting a spell "without paying it's mana cost" does not get around something like Reidane.
@ChestnutBaron
@ChestnutBaron Год назад
Pretty sure you still need to pay the additional cost. Try it in Arena in historic brawl with something like Fires of Invention. The default cost of the card is reduced to zero, but you still need to pay the additional 2 for each time it was cast from the command zone.
@casteanpreswyn7528
@casteanpreswyn7528 Год назад
The condescension, only to be wrong, is hilarious.
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