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Ocean To Orbit Lhotse Watch Review 

Peter Kotsa
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Before last month, I had never heard of this brand from these two local guys here in Melbourne Australia
Finding myself at a recent watch meet I stumbled onto this relatively new micro-brand and was so impressed by their offering from the minute I picked up their watches.
I asked if they could lend me the entire range so I can test them out for a week and both Dave and Sid were more than happy to oblige.
I share my thoughts after spending a week with these watches on the wrist...good, bad, indifferent
Link to website: www.oceantoorbit.com
Watches featured: Ocean To Orbit Lhotse
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@senotriusneo6354
@senotriusneo6354 Месяц назад
I think traska watches are a good alternative to this.
@kieranmccaffrey
@kieranmccaffrey 26 дней назад
Those two guys owe you a drink, I'm 17,000kms away and you've convinced me to buy one of these🎉
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa 26 дней назад
Is it hot where you are, because we’re freezing here in Melbourne winter Enjoy the watch 💪
@kieranmccaffrey
@kieranmccaffrey 26 дней назад
It's summer here in Ireland and a balmy 16C😂 absolutely Baltic, worst summer ever
@pippers8349
@pippers8349 Месяц назад
Fun video, interesting watch, but can microbrands stop trying to compete to make the most goofball ridiculous brand names? 💀
@jaysterling26
@jaysterling26 Месяц назад
They should've added another, 'o' and changed the name to ' On The Other Hand'. That's a freebie to any other brand ( some recognition would be nice, though...). I understand the goldilocks 38 ( I'd do the same for a 1st watch) but I just keep getting smaller - now from a C63 36mm to a Hamilton AtTo Jazzmaster 34mm, which has some anti-magnetism - for my OCD. Good luck to 'em.
@OttawaInHD
@OttawaInHD Месяц назад
How is the precision of the movement
@adk7962
@adk7962 Месяц назад
By God when Peter Kotsa posts a video about a one watch collection for under $1,000, you click! This watch is beautiful and for the specs and the fact nothing is off the shelf, it’s a great value also. I’m really feeling green dials lately. Thank you for the great review Sir!
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Thanks for watching brother 🙏
@simonwright6882
@simonwright6882 Месяц назад
It's a good looking piece. I feel the sw200 would have been a better choice of movement.
@user-ke6xt1yl1l
@user-ke6xt1yl1l Месяц назад
Ocean X, Oceanaut, Ocean Crawler, Oceanica, Ocean 7 and, now, Ocean to Orbit. The world was clearly missing another "Ocean" brand!
@ikirikchi
@ikirikchi Месяц назад
Not to forget Casio Oceanus.
@Emaratilfy
@Emaratilfy Месяц назад
I guess they picked a random Swiss movement only to be able to smack a "Swiss Made" label on the dial. They could've easily picked a Miyota 9039 and set the price at 500-600usd. "Swiss Made" doesn't hold much weight these days...
@shiraz1736
@shiraz1736 Месяц назад
I notice a lot of people saying it should be $200 less, yet the reality is if other micro-brands designed everything except the movement and had to have those parts machined all the other brands would be $200 more. I’m glad they have bucked the norm and invested more in the design.
@robertfeast7691
@robertfeast7691 Месяц назад
Great review of a really nice looking watch. Love that it's a no date😊
@AdAce21
@AdAce21 Месяц назад
The black and gilt one looks fantastic. It's very, very tempting!
@itsgarydevlin
@itsgarydevlin Месяц назад
It's a less dressy oyster perpetual it seems? Very nice.
@mracekproductions
@mracekproductions Месяц назад
great review mate. Having seen the watches in person I agree with all points you’ve made.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Cheers Dale, it was also great seeing you brother that night 👍
@hattyfarbuckle
@hattyfarbuckle Месяц назад
The polished edge to the inner lugs continuing across to the other lug really caught my eye - nice.
@BenSolleeKY
@BenSolleeKY Месяц назад
Thanks for highlighting this Brand. Cool story and that lume is killer.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
My pleasure 👍
@younusimam-thesalamproject6340
@younusimam-thesalamproject6340 Месяц назад
I would recommend everyone read the article on their website which describes how the watch was useful on her climb. She mentions that having the watch was very useful to save battery on her satellite phone (at severe temperatures batteries drain fast, so phones have to be kept off for most of a climb). It was also useful in calculating ascent times and planning rest periods. Really wonderful to see the usefulness of a mechanical watch highlighted on it
@gori277
@gori277 Месяц назад
... meaning a $40 Casio would've been as if not more helpful. Of course, she would come up with nice things to say about her spnsor.😅
@DavidDewitt-hc7cs
@DavidDewitt-hc7cs Месяц назад
@@gori277we actually no because of the potential impact on battery life in the extreme cold. She tried some smart watch options but ended up leaving them at base camp
@mracekproductions
@mracekproductions Месяц назад
@@gori277same can be said about any mechanical watch.
@shiraz1736
@shiraz1736 Месяц назад
⁠@@DavidDewitt-hc7csgori277 has left the building.
@gori277
@gori277 Месяц назад
@@DavidDewitt-hc7cs smart watch? No mate, CASIO. Guaranteed to work.
@AlexanderB.
@AlexanderB. Месяц назад
Very nice offering! I hope the clasp they're designing for it will still be nice and compact. Nevertheless I feel a price of $ 600 would me more appropriate than $ 800.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I was gonna talk about the price Alex, but having these in my possession for a week, the quality speaks for itself. I honestly thought I was handling a Longines Spirit regarding the case finishing and overall functionality 👍
@kart182
@kart182 Месяц назад
The finishing and custom parts seem to justify the higher price tbh
@danielday7033
@danielday7033 21 день назад
A new microbrand that supports a worthy cause. I like the story behind it. And, i like this watch...alot! Great review as always. And yes, I just ordered the blue dial, rwd tip sec hand on bracelet. Thanks for your well thought out input on this watch!
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa 21 день назад
Well done Daniel, enjoy the watch 👍
@timetowatch_francois
@timetowatch_francois Месяц назад
Great discovery! Thanks for sharing my friend 😊
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Thanks for visiting Francois 💪
@timetowatch_francois
@timetowatch_francois Месяц назад
@@PeterKotsa , my friend, I’m still having technical difficulties with posting but, I hope to have them resolved soon. In the meantime, I’m engulfing myself with your nicely done reviews. Keep ‘em coming!
@justinc8157
@justinc8157 Месяц назад
Wow I love them. Thanks for sharing the brand with us.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Welcome 👍
@ultramagnus7842
@ultramagnus7842 Месяц назад
I like it. I don't think I would change anything about it. The hour hand is kinda quirky but I like it. Clasp is perfect the way it is too. No on the fly adjustment is fine for me.
@TrentArmstrong-eo2pj
@TrentArmstrong-eo2pj Месяц назад
If the prices were in AUD I would have been all over this. Beautiful pieces.
@seranadesongs
@seranadesongs Месяц назад
Nice looking watch Pete. I love that bracelet, and that Artem strap looked great on the watch!
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Artem seems to look good on any watch 👌🙂
@felo6035
@felo6035 Месяц назад
Thank you for sharing Pete. Great company with what appears to be a very well thought out ofering. I like the design, specs in general, and high quality. The on-the-fly adjustable clasp is a must and I am glad it will be available. Although I'm not familiar with the STP 1-21 movement, from what I've read it is made by the Fossil Group, and it is basically another clone of the ETA 2824, and seems to be a very accurate and reliable movement. Lastly, at US$795 i feel it is a fair price but certainly tops and wish it had included the upgraded clasp. All in all, i feel this is a great watch. I also applaud their contributions to Purnima's expeditions as well as other charities. Well done!
@Koishishibaman
@Koishishibaman Месяц назад
Good looking watches. I find myself drawn to the tuxedo dial version, but have to think about the price. The green dial version needs a red tip on the second hand. Green with red always look good together. My green dekla turbulenz is a great example. Seiko has honored Naomi Umuera with various willards. Think it would be outstanding to have a special model for Purnima. Thanks for the great review!
@Sparkadian
@Sparkadian Месяц назад
It’s really nice, and no import tax for us Aussies makes the price pretty tempting for a Swiss watch👏👍
@TobyH.
@TobyH. Месяц назад
Very nice looking watches.
@sifu61
@sifu61 Месяц назад
Seems like a solid effort. The price, choice of movement, and shape of hands make it a "no" for me. Great review, sir.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
👌👍
@farukhhasan11
@farukhhasan11 Месяц назад
Oh man what a pick! Love this watch even though never hard of it which actually does not matter
@jeejkee6471
@jeejkee6471 Месяц назад
Like the watch, Iove the video. Great quality. I would consider the watch if it was a bit cheaper.
@DSupremeLounge
@DSupremeLounge Месяц назад
Thanks. Beautiful piece. Would buy quickly if a 42 version were available for bigger wrists.
@L233233
@L233233 Месяц назад
Very nice watch but once I figure in import VAT and duty, it's 900 Euro, which is too much on the pricey side for me to consider buying one.
@ncavis
@ncavis 15 дней назад
Just when I thought I knew all the great micro brands… thanks for making this video
@jaylal768
@jaylal768 Месяц назад
Nice review as always. Just there are a few micros with the same value but less expensive. Tough market for micro brands
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Indeed 👍
@c.s2001
@c.s2001 Месяц назад
The photography compliments this watch perfectly.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Thank you Criss
@MegaRich7
@MegaRich7 Месяц назад
Solid effort. The deal breaker for me is the hour hand and definitely the pricing.
@ttothec
@ttothec Месяц назад
Yes, that hour hand is plain ugly.
@InGratitudeIam
@InGratitudeIam Месяц назад
It is a nice watch to be sure. I don't think it beats a microbrand you reviewed a few months ago that was thinner and less expensive. I do like that blue/white dial X WEM version.
@0xDankberg
@0xDankberg Месяц назад
I really like the broadsword hands, bracelet.. hard to beat this for the price imo.
@mell3109
@mell3109 Месяц назад
Logo is wrong, should be O2O.
@leonm2407
@leonm2407 Месяц назад
The two tone one caught my eye. I didn't notice that one at the watch show. Would be more tempting if I could get my head around the branding. It takes the edge off for me for what seems to be a pretty decent watch.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Miss you mate, when are you popping in for a coffee ☕️
@garyk8285
@garyk8285 Месяц назад
Can’t be one watch for me without date. But nice piece Petraki
@johnswatchjoint
@johnswatchjoint Месяц назад
Fantastic review of a truly eexcellent watch. We need more microbrands like these guys.
@stavros_katsopr
@stavros_katsopr Месяц назад
Nice one, but it can't be "done"! You got seven (+1 !!!), ffs! LOL Thanks for this review bro, hope all is well down under.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I questioned the name when I first picked up this in the hand a month ago, now it seems to have grown on me because of its intent or maybe the cool backstory 😋 Hope all is well brother and your not too hit in the weather ❤️
@w0cker
@w0cker Месяц назад
Looks great at first glance, but it somehow bugs me that the 3, 6, 9 indices are just a little wider. Also I don't get what the arrow head of the seconds hand is pointing to. In contrast to the hour and minute hands, it just sweeps over the indices at a seemingly random length.
@leonkaragiann7552
@leonkaragiann7552 Месяц назад
Nice video. My favourite dial is the white and blue.Strange and difficult brand name. Time for a good cheap dive watch. Heat and dust bro. Look at me 🦍
@Lifeperhour94
@Lifeperhour94 Месяц назад
Another great review mate ❤️ The cinematic quality always some of the best online Peter. I don’t often take too much notice of micros but it’s really nice to see the models that you review and a deeper look outside of instagram. Crazy how the blokes have managed to get some to stress test out there and Mount Everest of all things oof.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I agree Malcolm, these are two really nice guys who seem to want to go the distance, thats why they wanted to have their first design taken up Everest.I think if they continue with this train of thought and design language, they can go far in this space 👍
@TelephoneNinja
@TelephoneNinja Месяц назад
That's a stress test most watches would beat with ease these days. Nothing more than marketing ploy.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
@@TelephoneNinja probably, but I'll give them credit for forward thinking 😊
@stevehemingway9619
@stevehemingway9619 Месяц назад
Is it better than the Henry Archer Vesterhav that you reviewed, they look very similar.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I think the Henry Archer is priced really well which is great The Ocean to Orbit seems to have a higher level of execution on the case and dial
@RandallSlick
@RandallSlick Месяц назад
Really do like this watch. Some little gems of good design that make it stand out. I'd even swallow the shipping and duties to get to me in the UK. But that brand name. Serious early Christopher Ward vibes I'm afraid. Maybe a logo instead of the name of a imaginary flying canoe manufacturer one day?
@BoozewithNick
@BoozewithNick Месяц назад
Nice GADA, and nothing against the watch, but does anyone else here find the idea of a “one watch collection” to be totally depressing? lol Nice review, as always, Pete.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I don't think any of us are here because we want one watch only...😂. Nicely said brother 😊
@eliarthur7088
@eliarthur7088 Месяц назад
I like the look of a lot of these microbrand watches, but everyone is using a small (sub 40mm) case that looks absurd on my 8”+ wrist.
@dennisthespeedmenace7530
@dennisthespeedmenace7530 Месяц назад
Peter I’ve been watching for years and this watch pulled me in. It’s a totally unique one kinda watch. Love the straps and color ways. The history where this watch has been makes me want it more. Tough solid go anywhere watch. Thanks for being true to yourself and watches.
@snapfitness1
@snapfitness1 Месяц назад
Is this something made for an 8 inch wrist? What's the length of the bracelet?
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
Im not sure how many link thye will offer with the watches...maybe drop then an email 👍👍
@frederikaaxman1582
@frederikaaxman1582 Месяц назад
Very nice review, as always, Pete. Also a very good looking solid sportswatch, almost in the Omega Aqua Terra territorium, but without the 8,000 USD price tag we have in Denmark.
@tiote_paris6106
@tiote_paris6106 Месяц назад
Looks gorgeous and I love the fact it’s named after the mountain. The case back reminds me of the old Seiko Alpinist case back too. Some great dial colours on these as well.
@gori277
@gori277 Месяц назад
Nice review Pete. A little too "generic" for such a designer based offering IMO. That price is a bit steep for a microbrand that's just starting in an area where much more established brands have solid offerings and that overly long brand name is not great IMO. Good luck to them
@shanebrodersen252
@shanebrodersen252 Месяц назад
Great review. I think I would prefer the brand name to be left off the watch. It’s too long and makes it look too busy. Otherwise, nice looking watch. The bracelet reminds me a little bit of a Formex essence.
@Hashkatina
@Hashkatina Месяц назад
I love gada watches. However, the thumbnail is interesting to me. Is the audience for this video targeted to those who have no watch that want a quality gada watch? Or is it for us watch nerds that have multiple watches (in my case, to many) to entice a friend or relative to get their first watch? Lately, is owning 1 watch a collection? Thanks Peter for great content and great photography! Cheers from the USA!
@benjaminvis
@benjaminvis Месяц назад
I am quite convinced at the quality and execution of the design. Its comes through on screen. I completely get why the bracelet excites and while normally I enjoy polished accentuation, here it works very well without and morevoder fits into the space between the lugs super precisely. Yet, my problem is that I find the backstory a bit of a gimmick which is worsened by the brand name. It's no surprise then, that aestheitcally it also doesnt appeal. The regular version looks to want to be more dressy than its design elements allow. The more sporty WEM version seems more suitably styled, but of course takes away from GADA quality. The price is certainly a bit up there, too. It actually makes me think of Henry Archer, as a GADA formula. HA design language feels more informal than toolish, but the execution and detail bring serious chops in refinement. I think that strikes a better balance, also in price, and doesn't need an elaborate costly back story to pull it off.
@ZaltekReviews
@ZaltekReviews Месяц назад
Got to admit, I really like this one and at a relatively fair price too.
@Wrist-rolls
@Wrist-rolls День назад
The crystal still seems pretty reflective despite all the layers of AR coating
@Aggnog
@Aggnog Месяц назад
Just being no-date is a few extra points from me. Date windows just look tacked on 90% of the time.
@kenohanrahan4745
@kenohanrahan4745 Месяц назад
Not sure about the design elements, apparently inspired by Smiths, by the Explorer and worn and tested by a respected climber. So, why are the hands supposed to look like rockets or boosters? Actually, i don't buy the line that the seconds hand is referencing a re-entry capsule. Nice looking, but Traska captured this look a long time back.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
I think this might be a running theme obviously referencing the branding ‘Ocean To Orbit’ I’d be interested to see what a second watch from this brand would look like (whether the handset follows suit)
@etebol
@etebol Месяц назад
I get that today the industry is moving towards the “on the fly” adjustment, for me personally not a big deal. Love the hands design, specially the hour rocket. What a cool detail. I am a big fan of boxed crystals so I am looking forward to get one soon. Their approach with charities also make a difference to me. Much more so than the adjustable fly afore mentioned. I do have some questions about the STP movement as I am not personally familiar with their quality. Overall great watch for a reasonable price.
@Jim-wx8dh
@Jim-wx8dh Месяц назад
Cool backstory, great about the charity work, but the brand name is an absolute no go for me and the watch itself looks pretty meh.
@WLVFX
@WLVFX Месяц назад
Sorry but I'm not a fan of vertical brushing on dials. They should have at least have one option that wasn't a vertical brushed dial. I'd rather keep this nice manual adjust clasp. All these people going for the on the fly adjustment clasps probably won't realise that one day that the clasp will fail with the amount of adjustment they do to it. How likely will you be able to replace that clasp? Quite a few years down the line, these microbrands may not exist, and getting a replacement or even getting a similar 3rd party clasp that fits bespoke bracelets will be difficult.
@craig2100
@craig2100 Месяц назад
How does it compare to the wise?
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
This seems to have better attention to detail than the Wise. The Wise has a better clasp as you know (at this stage) 😊😂 Lume is close, but I think the Wise takes it in this department (not forgetting these are pre production models) 👍
@craig2100
@craig2100 Месяц назад
Thanks. I wish there was a place where we could see these in person. Feels so much like a wild card. Great presentation. I appreciate your feedback! Keep up the great work. Cheers, Mate
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
@@craig2100 🙏
@eugenethomas4647
@eugenethomas4647 Месяц назад
It's a gorgeous watch for sure but a miyota 9 series movement and a lower price point would have these flying out the door. I wish them luck but at that price for that Swiss movement, it's not for me.
@IvanVoras
@IvanVoras Месяц назад
Nice watches! Seems like several hits are coming from Australia! My pet peeve is the whole "Swiss made" things. Who cares nowadays? A 100 years ago that moniker stood something because of technological advantage. Today - seriously? The makers should be proud of their own uniqueness! I'd pay for a watch that rocks an "AUSTRALIA" where this one has "AUTOMATIC" just for the exotic factor. Or at least drop a "DOWN UNDER" instead of "Swiss made". Own it! But I'm weird - I don't care for specs being on the face of the watch, like "automatic" or the water resistance. I care for the specs, and buy accordingly, but I don't care to have them written on the dial. Dials should just look beautiful, regardless of text.
@tdugong
@tdugong Месяц назад
Looks nice but I'm out for this year.
@_all_around_us
@_all_around_us Месяц назад
The quality seems great but the design strikes me as generic. As a designer myself, I wonder if it's time I try and design a dial myself. Purely as an exercise.
@TelephoneNinja
@TelephoneNinja Месяц назад
Super classy car designers, yet they weren't able to come up with less ridiculous branding. Also this looks like another GS Evo9 Ali clone - so where's all that design? Honestly - recently you seem to get excited for whatever these companies send to you. I like that you occasionally discover something little known, but most of the time it's hard to take your reviews seriously. PS: there's no excuse for not including on-the-fly clasp these days.
@Batmanananana
@Batmanananana Месяц назад
Nice, but you can get a OP replica for way less than that.
@ExhumedTornado
@ExhumedTornado Месяц назад
$800 ?😮
@orvillefindley8117
@orvillefindley8117 Месяц назад
A single watch is not a collection. A collection is more than one 👍
@GS-vb3zn
@GS-vb3zn Месяц назад
Great looking watch... terrible name.
@LTBallurio
@LTBallurio Месяц назад
Great watch but the name! Why
@heisenberg1732
@heisenberg1732 Месяц назад
I just can't like this one. I can't dig on designers who didn't design anything. It's identical to so many watches. It looks like it's an off-the-shelf San Martin case and bracelet with the cheapest Swiss movement they could get. IDK, I'm just not digging this watch at this price. You could get a comparable Hamilton, Tuseno or Nivada Grenchen for the same price or less. As far as the explorer angle, the age of exploration is over. Putting a watch on an teenage alpine skier is a better test than someone on an everest tour. Until this watch gets sent to the moon, I think it is lost in the shuffle and the story falls flat.
@turnbasedtoddy7664
@turnbasedtoddy7664 Месяц назад
Dope watch, insanely bad name
@kart182
@kart182 Месяц назад
I like the watch. I will never buy something with such a dumb name. An aliexpress name generator brand would come up with something like that
@aussie8114
@aussie8114 Месяц назад
Nice watch, but I agree.
@David-bb7mt
@David-bb7mt Месяц назад
It's better than "Norqain", that's the worst in my book. Sounds like a painkiller drug
@robertkujawa9677
@robertkujawa9677 Месяц назад
One watch is not a collection. If One of anything is a collection, I have a house collection, car collection and hundreds of other collections.
@gustavolatobias2813
@gustavolatobias2813 Месяц назад
I will never understand why it's called a "one watch collection.".......you need more than one to be called a collection.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
It’s just a term used for watch enthusiasts We all have multiple watches, so the idea of a ONE watch is a bit of a novelty I suppose we call it collection because of familiarity, whereas we all know it’s not a collection
@roybatty4687
@roybatty4687 Месяц назад
Shame about the brand name though.
@balance3201
@balance3201 Месяц назад
How much they pay you 😂
@salemsatoshi2798
@salemsatoshi2798 Месяц назад
its not $800 piece,i pay 350$ not more
@Username.RandomNumbers
@Username.RandomNumbers Месяц назад
Beautiful watch. Terrible brand name.
@denniskwok7613
@denniskwok7613 Месяц назад
It's case design is a blatant Grand Seiko Evolution 9 (White Birch) rip off. Totally unoriginal.
@michaelcollins2473
@michaelcollins2473 Месяц назад
Pretty boring, actually. Stupid brand name. Not something I'd want, to be honest. I mean, it's OK.....but not very exciting.
@PeterKotsa
@PeterKotsa Месяц назад
It's a completely different story in the hand Michael. I actually asked these guys for the watches because of their high level of quality finishing when I handled them at the watch meet. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing bro 👍
@lesgillard985
@lesgillard985 Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing these micro brand watches or else I would never have heard of them. Very impressive watches.... if only they were in 44-45 mm 😢
@caligulasen6028
@caligulasen6028 Месяц назад
Nope, could be better😢
@Nite-owl
@Nite-owl Месяц назад
That movement just puts me off, sorry.
@27madnoor
@27madnoor Месяц назад
Waste of time and money
@Sumerdini
@Sumerdini Месяц назад
Microbrands 👎
@garylangford6755
@garylangford6755 Месяц назад
Dumb name and overpriced
@TGriffiths-ve6nw
@TGriffiths-ve6nw 27 дней назад
The brand name eliminates it immediately for me. With so many nice watches in that price range a person does not have to try to accept any niggle that would bother them. It can make selection of a watch a lot easier if you decide upfront that there are certain things that eliminate watches from the list. One of those niggles is a brand name that just doesnt appeal to me. There are some pretty stupid ones out there. Nice watches, stupid brand name equals a big no for me. You no longer have to compromise. There are so many micro brands out there. You just have to be willing to search for the one that meets your requirements.
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