One small yet important detail, in my opinion, is that Elbaf is fable written backwards and there's many legends in the One Piece world coming from Elbaf. Plus, in this chapter we saw Oda calling it the fabled island of Elbaf. There's gotta be something more than meets the eye about Elbaf and the giant tree, like in that fable "Jack and the Beanstalk" also known as "Jack the Giant Killer" which reminds me of the Giant Jack from the Upper Yard in Skypiea.
@@yamiyamimatoi7310 Many people speculate that it's Ryuma,like it's a possibility.We have not seen him much and he is Sword God.Yeah!We can expect him as a level equal to Joyboy or somewhat lower
I think it’s clear by now they are not in the same tier of strength. Oda had Saturn come out first because he is clearly the weakest but Warcury on the other hand has the best durability feat in the series
Honestly it about *Time* though, I mean 5 years ago, in 2019 Oda already said that the story would end in 5 years. An yet lol we’re still not even close, so finally we’re getting some lore material to move the story forward.
I have a feeling that Joyboy's life was very much like Oden's- A overly powerful prince who is good at heart and always wanted to cause mischief and what not. Maybe he was someone who didn't wanna do what what everyone wanted but wanted to do what he wants for everyone, kinda like Luffy's Selfish selflessness. I think after turning a certain age he decided he wanted to leave the kingdom and explore the world, but maybe his parents kinda forbided him from doing so and gave him a city to rule, but he broke apart that piece of land and just started floating around, becoming the first pirate.
@@nathanieljohnson4300 It's can't be described as "recycling" but as " 2 sides of the same coin. Wano is definitely one of the most important places related to the Void Century and we also got the Gear 5 form in Wano, so it's just a theory of mine.
I am also getting that same impression of this legendary character. Maybe he has a combination of Noland, Roger and Oden's flashbacks. But I am also getting Megaman or Astroboy vibes too because of Egghead and that it was more advanced in the past. I think maybe he was the first Lunarian(Joyboy?) experiment ever and was molded from a powerful giant (Nika vibes) The first to get a Devil fruit too? I dont know, but I am really hoping for THE flashback of the void centuary
@@zlatkokoprivnica3566not being sarcastic, my little brother loves Ninjago and I watched it with him. I can't think of anyone in the series that can take on anyone in OP. Even the Djinn would lose to either Brooke or Big Mom
@@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702 Ummm im not talling about Djinn im talking About 7 Source Dragons(strongest characters), FSM, USM, Golden Master, Ultra Golden Dragon, Ancient Overlord Fused Nya(she woukd no diff any devil feuit user and be too op in OP verse) and some others maybe Wojira or Omega
@@zlatkokoprivnica3566 none of them have a Durability feat that will let them survive Garps Galactic Impact, Rogers Paradise Slash with All Haki, withstand Kuma's Paw Push, or move past Foxys Photon Slow Beams
About 108, it is also an element (radioactive one) of the periodic table, with atomic number 108, named Hassium. Interestingly enough it has been studied for scientific purposes regarding utilizing the energy being emitted from it and used as nuclear energy.
Numerology only 9 numbers exist in existence, 9 is (Consciousness), sum of all angles is 9 because everything produces electromagnetism. Oda is a F-King genius.
THANK YOU FOR NOTICING THE SATURN REACTION TO THE MOTHER FLAME! many of the one piece theorists I follow have not even mentioned it and I was going insano style about it
I'm thinking people are just reading the translation wrong. the Giants in Elbaf have a way of labeling things, just how they labeled god ussop they did the same thing for Joy boy calling him Sun god and as far as the legend is concerned you have to remember Vegapunk is studying content from The Void century from different sources and that's what he meant that Nika and joy boy had similar abilities to further my theory if you can recall the Giants have a way to Sky Island and as you remember Enel called haki "Mantra" because they have their own way of labeling things
Absolutely amazing take and awesome content you and your team has a new sub... really appreciate the depth and time you guys put into this... holding my breath til the next upload following this
Thank you for the research and explanation. This was a "classical" Ohara Video. Since the last years where basicly on checking if prediction s come true, we have now finally again some mysteries on which you can show your analytic strength. Chapeaux!
It's just that Oda's cooking skills are unmatched 🙂.......but i think we will learn more about Joyboy / Nika in the elbaf arc. Oda probably gonna show Joyboy in the last pannel of a chapter saying one or two lines and that's it, a fkin cliffhanger 😐. Then in elbaf an old grandpa giant gonna say about joyboys story....mybe
If you look at the top left corner of chapter 472 's cover story, you'll notice that the mother flame(shown in chapter 1114) looks very identical to the drawing on the moon. This could mean that the mother flame is an ancient weapon.
The whole Nika thing and joyboy having Nika's will is basically has enough lore for an entire religion. Following One Piece could be the closest an atheist will ever get to a religious experience. The second coming of joyboy is basically OPverse's version of the second coming of Christ. Savior figures like Joyboy is not unique to Christianity, however. One Piece has inspirations from basically all religions, and when different religions around the world are compared, they are all strangely familiar when one digs deep enough. It actually feels like One Piece, the "goofy pirate manga" we all know and love, actually has some pretty deep esoteric symbolism. The thing about a shadow cabal controlling the world and being the origin of some sort of satan figure is also a very common theme in many religions.
Bruhhh I was thinking the same The Holy Trinity, this whole manga anime (best of all time next to Naruto and Dragon Ball Z) mirrors our world, the celestial dragons are the people that run the world since Christ Crucifixion and Resurrection and before. And if you know that much I'm sure you know about flat earth?! nephilim(giants) literally, the flood , and baal the first of them all
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I feel like joy boy's story would parallel Oden, went on an adventure around the their island, established the ancient kingdom, left to explore the sea, went home only to find out that he was betrayed by someone. Plus he has a traitor also in his (oden) scabbards which also could be the reason why was joy boy got defeated also.
The whole JoyBoy theory reminds me of the scenario of the Matrix movie. Just like Joyboy had previous users, Neo ( the chosen one in Matrix ) was not the only one either. In fact he was the 3rd of 4th one and like the previous chosen ones he had a goal : to fight against the Robots ( the villains against Humanity ) and free humans. At a certain point of the trillogy Neo had to make an important choice ( when he was supposed to meet the Architect - the creator of the Matrix AI program - ) and that specific Neo took the option that none of the previous Neos did. That changed the whole ending of the story cause Robots couldnt understand human emotions such as love/hope etc ( just like the emotionless Gorosei ) and led to the best outcome so far, creating a long and successful peace between Humans and Robots. So, just like Neo, Luffy as the latest version of the Joyboy might make a choice that the previous Joyboys didn't and create his own ending for all the OP species against the rulers known and uknown of the world ( Gorosei and Imu ). That might include also sacrificing himself just as Neo did . Then, after Luffy's contributions maybe a new person would carry on the Will of JoyBoy ( through Sun God Nika fruit ) and try again from the start to create a better version of the world against the oppressing rulers.
agree. i have similar thoughts as well. i personally dont think luffy will ever see the one piece. he will likely sacrifice himself for the greater good before seeing/knowing what the one piece is, because the adventure was enough. i see usopp (or someone else) being the "captain" will be the one to get the one piece and restore balance to the world.
Binks Sake song is also closely tied to all this, its lyrics also tell the story about the "sunny days return" and "evening comes its time to sound the drums" resembling that the evening is the dark struggle time, then the drums come with liberation, and sunny day returns again
theory so when Nika was alive he had started an ancient race being the D clan who are intertwined with the world government and as time went on they continued to fight over the one piece world but during Joyboy's time most of them were wiped out by the world government but a few of them survived leading to the D clan directly disobeying the world government and after the Dawn of luffy the world government and the D clan will cease to exist
Finally you are establishing the parallel between One Piece acient civilizations lost history and our own ancient civilizations lost history. Because they are the same. You will get there. Keep going through that rabbit hole.
Theory: The Gorosei are dead. The Gorosei are demons, demons are dead angered spirits. Imu revived them and now the Gorosei work for her. The mother flame kills demons when in true form(or devil fruit form as some may call it) that’s why Saturn turned into human form or spirit form. Marijoa is the place where the Gorosei can be and not die when in spirit form. The summoning circles allow them to transform into demon form without being damned back to hell(underworld). Please do next vid on this
This reminded me of something if that theory is right. It reminds me of princes kaguya. What if imu is flooding the earth because she cant get back to the moon where she was originally from and her intentions are to flood the earth all the way to the black sea. Theres a line from the wiki that i like that inverts imus tale. Where it state, "though she loves her many friends on Earth, she must return with the beings to her true home on the Moon," its the opposite imu is trapped on the blue planet and hates all the humans, both are being punished we just dont know why yet
I got a theory how black beard ate 2 Devil Fruit (Black beard actually had a devil Fruit he didn't ate but waited until he got tremmer tremmer fruit. He first ate darkness fruit and waited for white beards devil fruit and then he ate it. But with another devil fruil named revive revive fruit and he died by clash of 3 devil fruit and came back to life just like brook but he didn't got lost his way to his body like brook so got his body back intact).
I think they make it clear that blackboard is just "different" in his body itself (like they say he never sleeps) and he carries three daggers and his flag has three faces so I think he can eat three devil fruits because he's special in some way (don't think we will find out why anytime soon though lol)
ok but the trees around saul are suspiciously large... hes at elbaf, 100%, he might even be one of the early people the strawhats find, and him and robin are gonna have one hell of a reunion.
I believe that the mother flame might possibly swell up before getting used for whatever powered the destruction of Lulusia, if the whole concept of nuclear power plants is similar, when the flame swells it would create more bubbles creating more power from more steam
That theory never made any sense. If luffy’s whole epithet is to be free and do whatever you want why would he want to make everyone in the world a pirate if we know damn well everyone in OP does not want to do that case in point KOBY
GUYS PLEASE LIKE SO OHARA CAN SEE THIS!!!! At 9:04 the full-screen version of that cover of eneru has an image in the top left which looks EXACTLY like the MOTHER FLAME. It has a fire inside of what looks like a circular vessel surrounded by two circles which could be the structure to hold the flame as can be seen in vegapunk's mother flame. If you pull up the full-screen version of the cover, it can be seen to look literally the same as the mother flame, although it is cut in half.
After watching this video I'm almost convinced that luffy will somehow get the flame to make his base for gear 5 form or something. And the flame being an actual remnant of the sun god. Like the flame is the missing part of why luffy can't damage the gorosei
We know that devil fruits are born from dreams. In this case, could Joyboy have dreamed of possessing Nika's power? He may have dreamed of being a god who liberated everyone.
Not really, ka and GA are different Kanji we just spell/pronounce them too similar in English. It's like the entire second half of the word is different.
Great video! Yea, i'm totally on board that the Ancient Kingdom had many factions within itself. And Joy Boy left, to help others express freedom. Which in turn makes the Ancient Kingdom the enemy of Joy Boy and the 20 Kingdoms. Now, this doesn't automatically make Joy Boy and the 20 Kingdoms allies, although that is a possible avenue that could include betrayal, or they could of been two groups working toward the same goal; very much like the Revolutionary Army and Blackbeard Pirates in regards to bringing the World Government down. This idea is nice literary, because then the oppressed, people from the 20 Kingdoms, ultimately won freedom but then became the oppressors over time. Which is both ironic and shows the tragedy of repeating history but also, quite funny, very dark humor, if you learned the people that made the World Government were slaves fighting for freedom once upon a time.
Brief theories A&Mu --- Amu Imu Naming convention: S-108, S-Snake, S-Hawk, S-Shark. Idk why Vegapunk uses the S so if there's something off in my theory let me know
In chemistry, µ (mu) refers to the elementary particles muon and antimuon. A muon is similar to an electron. However, its mass is about 207 times the mass of the electron. It is created when an electron collides with its antiparticle positron (e+).
I haven't seen your video of what if all pre time skip strawhats were present in marinford war. Did I missed it?? If not, please make a video on this topic
And I love the different perspectives of the world that different countries think is real that you talk about because some of it is a bit more beautiful than the way our own countries think because of that someday I want to travel the world and learn things I've never learned before
I like how Doflamingo talks about going to the moon again, so maybe we'll actually see the moon as a small arc in the future instead of just the opening panel of the manga.
