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Even though it's super sad that Baby Finn will never actually have a good relationship with his multiversal dad, it's pretty funny just how much better Martin seemed to turn out, despite the entire rest of the world being infinitely worse... Also him dying while saving Fionna, his multiversal daughter? Don't even talk to me man 😭😭😭 Sub 2 the second channel btw: ru-vid.com/show-UCEG_QK5tOBsqyhBdIgv63Ug
Maybe we can tell.... "Finn, your father loved you and I know that you will be a great hero just like your father when he sacrificed himself." ....... 😓 dammit....
@@TheAllSeeingEye2468 ...that's a pretty good question, she just might. But then again, she had enough mental scarring to make up for that physical one.
I wonder what would have happened if this version of Martin meet main Finn Mertins. Second, what would this version of Martin react to seeing main Martin being a jerk father.
The show so far shows blood, simon 2th death, martin and billy also died,finn finally say 'deez nuts' even thought that just a miss heard as 'these knuckles' , Lich fist time became depressed , farm world finn also gone or not
Nothing more evil than making someone we hated from the original series, become such a good and wholehearted person in a spin-off, only for them to be killed. The Multiverse is cruel.
@@larrytherustyboii7442 When I saw the reason why he became a such asshole I ended up feeling sorry for him I even found it contradictory that he was quite a jerk towards Finn, considering that in his origin story he was a pretty good father but he apparently hit his head and had a personality change forgetting several things honestly Martin wasn't supposed to be like this
People forget that before he became a major dillweed, original Martin had changed his ways and was ready to settle down with Minerva until his past caught up with him. He ended up sacrificing himself to save his son. It was only after that where he reverted to his con artist ways. So this version of Martin being selfless and caring isn’t really a 180 departure from the character we’re used to.
@chrispilcher2024 True, we tend to forget about him because Finn's family pretty much disappeared after their Finn went ice loco. They very well could be dead by the time Farmworld Finn has grown up. But yeah, he was ultimately just a regular dude.
It actually makes a decent amount of sense why he acts so differently in this universe. It can be assumed that he probably never met Minerva and had Finn, since Marceline allowed founder’s island to be created in the first place originally. Because of this, he never felt enough guilt/self-pity to start burning any bridges, resulting in him never becoming the jerk we knew in the original timeline.
If I remember there was a story in a book that says he suffered from a severe blow to the head that made him lose his memories and as a result his personality changed.
I just think he is always good at heart. In our version of oooh he went from con man to family man and got dealt a bad hand. And in some ways we see he still cares like how he named his escape ship after Minerva it was called “the Minnie”. And he could’ve let Finn just float in space and die he didn’t have to pick him up with the moth
@@flefle7422 i would like to think he certainly always had the potential to be good, but just never lived up to it. Just like how you get good people turning evil (marceline) we sometimes get redemption stories (Lich turning into Sweet P)
If founders island was never founded.... How and where was he born? What about his 1000 years worth of ancestors that lived on that island to make him, him. I'm just chalk it up as creative liberties, this is a loophole, but a loophole I'm ok with.
I think this Martin Version is the proof that he would be a really good dad if he proposes. He stills being playful and an exagerated optimistic guy but he chooses doing the right things and seems more aware of his actions.
The reason main Marvin was such a dick was because of his brain damage after the giant blew up, without that happening I guess he’s just a really street smart cool dude.
It's funny, I've always felt that if things had gone differently in Martin's life, he could have been a good father. Like he was a decent dad at the start of Fin's life before shit hit the fan.
I figured that he might've actually taken some brain damage when the Guardian collapsed his raft. That or thinking Finn was dead simply... broke something inside him. Something he did his best to forget about, but was always there.
@@user-aeb87825 Brain Trauma? Repressed memories? Regardless of whatever it was, the Martin we got to know in the original world of Finn and Jake was clearly not right in the head. He sadly wasn’t in any shape to be anyone’s father. In this world, it probably didn’t happen and Martin was able to retain his love for others than himself.
One thing could've changed everything for Martin could've been just having the guardian a few feet further from the island so that when Martin and Finn were on the raft, they would float just far enough to not be in the guardian's range
The fact that they made Martin in this timeline a good and decent father and just killed him off like that. Man, this show is freaking cruel. I can’t believe this abandoned and left Baby Finn behind too. The poor Baby.😢
Yeah. If Bubblegum does survive her fight with Marceline, I hope the two at least reconcile or something, and maybe take care of Finn with a disembodied Peppermint Butler.
@@multiverse_media2023 Honestly I prefer Finn to kill her, she doesn't deserve to be spared anymore after what she did even though she was commanded by her "father" or king it's gone too far
I was honestly upset that the guys left PB behind and the baby. I know there were baddies everywhere but it felt so wrong. And I honestly felt the same way about Marcy. When she killed Martin, I realized that the Marcy we knew didn't exist there. There was only the Star, an irredeemable monster who cares only for herself and her so-called father. Also another reminder of how irresponsible Hunson was too. Letting his wife die and never saving his daughter from this hellish world. But to he fair, he would have made her horrible too.
"You burn enough bridges, the only direction to move is forward." Makes sense, since the last time he tried to stay in one place, his past caught up to him. And then he couldn't go back because of that fucking Guardian would kill him and his son. He knew Finn was better off with Joshua so he stayed away because he was sure he'd only fuck up again like he did with Minerva.
@@brainflash1 No he didn’t lol. Martin lost Finn in the storm never to be seen (by him) again until the later seasons. Jake’s parents found Finn on accident, they had no knowledge of Martin.
It was so weird to feel bad for Martin. Like, I have felt bad for him before because he said that he never meant to leave Finn and he was definitely still not the best dad. But this is a different Martin. Maybe this Martin would’ve been a good dad. But he died, just like the others, and left behind “what-ifs” and feelings of loss. (rip BMO…)
One of the greatest tragedies in this show is that we, the viewer, will forever be the only people who know the truth about Finns father. His true nature was always to be a kind, loving man 😢
The moment I saw Martin wearing the jacket Fionna wears in the opening theme I knew he was either gonna dip or die. Then he said “I love this little guy.” to baby Finn and his fate was sealed.
I absolutely love this season, and this episode in particular. However my only small gripe was the Vampire King who seemed unaffected from the crown, which I didn't really like as the crown is meant to be this like force of insanity, made Simon and Farmworld Finn basically the Ice King. Even if the personality stayed the same (which you could say was help of Marcy staying with him and basically teaching him how to be himself maybe). I would at least like a little difference of appearance, like white beard, maybe longer nose and such. It is a little weird how he is unaffected with no explanation about why. But this is something that can be easily just ignored because how much I love this series and episodes.
I think it did effect him but in a different way, the Vampire king for all his flaws was never stupid, him using a plan that caused his species food source to die off as well as almost all the plant life is a horrible plan anyone with half a brain could figure out.
It is affecting him by preventing him from coming to the epiphany the original VK had. His will and vampiric abilities prevent it from affecting him too much, but even on someone as powerful as VK, it still impacts him.
@@michaelpineiro533That is true, Vampire King barely got any screen time or a full showing of his power. Which kinda sucks because he has such a cool design and seems so interesting to me. Maybe he's wearing the crown in moderation? Or he is just batshit crazy and we just didn't see how much the crown did affect him. I'd absolutely kill to see what 1000 years in the future would look like in these worlds, about Beth and Shermy and stuff.
@@samvanroon5041 True, wish we got a different design. And he didn't seem like the sanest person. But really way to go Vampire King, basically bringing your kind the brink of extinction, gotta be smarter with your food.
I remember towards the end of the original series we see a backstory showing how Fin ended up in the distant lands. And his dad actually risked his life by killing a sea monster to save him. But the original series never explained why he became such a bad person like with the Ice King and the Magic Man.
@@A-Microwaveit feels kinda cheap to just say the entirety of what made his character interesting was simply brain damage. I feel like it’s more compelling if the trauma of losing Finn just forced him to start burning bridges as a defense mechanism, leading him to become as detached from everything as he was
I always thought of it as a combination. Like the blow to the head caused a bit of amnesia (wasn't there like an adventure time comic or something where Martin was rescued by pirates and had a nasty head wound all bandaged up?) I feel like he was separated and 'forgot' about his family for a bit, and then remembering, after it's too late and nearly impossible to make it right, it's easier for the brain to just burn that old life and 'keep moving forward', which eventually turns into his life philosophy@@Ultra_JTB
This actually hurt me, Martin reminds me quite a bit of my birth father. So to see a universe where Martin was not only in Finn's life, but also a good father just get offed like that hurts on another level.
i watched all of adventure time with my partner. when i got back from the hospital, distant lands had been released so we watched that together. now we're experiencing fionna and cake together for the first time and its so amazing because this show packs punches in every episode. the shocked glances at each other when we see something heavy, the "DID YOU SEE THAT" and rewinding to a very brief moment to catch a detail, holding each other in shock when the lore drops... im so grateful for the experience that is adventure time and that i can share it with someone.
So this basically implies that Martin in this timeline stayed on earth instead of going to space which was due to the vampires reign. The Martin we knew waa familiar with space tech and species after released by Finn so the vampires here somehow stopped Martin from leaving the planet and eventually committing a cosmic crime which led him to the Citadel. Him staying in earth did teach him to be more of a team player, even pushing Fiona (a girl he just met) away from Marcy's attack, sacrificing his life and soul for her. This is something he DEFINITELY wouldnt have done for Finn. Somehow Marcy being a worse person led to him being a better one
technically, he DID do that for Finn, as we see in "Islands", the adventure time miniseries of season 8. it's how he got separated from their home in the first place.
If only Martin in the vampire universe could've survived, then maybe Baby Finn wouldn't have feared the ocean somehow. He's too wholesome to get killed off anyways.
Martin went from a cowardly deadbeat to someone who actually seems eager to be a father and dies before he gets the chance. The Merten family can't catch a break in ANY reality.
the worst part is that neither fionna or Finn know how much meaning there is in having Martin be a good dad figure for them, but i guess its th best for Fionna to not know, she already feels guilt over being responsible for his death, imagine how much worst would it be if she found out he is a alternative version of her mom
The thing of it is, since Finn clearly doesn't exist in this universe, we're seeing what Martin would have been like if his brain hadn't gotten donked up fighting the guardian.
It looks like a lot of people have forgotten that our Martin's attitude/behaviour is a result of a major brain injury. Before that wave hit them, Martin was a decent dad who loved Minerva and Finn.
I feel it was less a brain injury and more just the trauma of losing everything he had. He had only just recently turned his life around only to be forced to abandon his new life, leaving his partner to think he purposely left with their son, and then had to abandon his son in an attempt to save his life and didn’t even end up knowing if he was actually successful. From that point it was likely just easier for his mind to let him burn his past rather than face it
My theory, because Marcy didn't save the first humans from stakes, they never left for the island, so finn's parents never met, and so he never gets brain damage from saving finn from the guardian making him the way he was. (In the promotional art for that episode, it showed martin getting rescued by a boat, but he's bleeding from his forehead.)
They really shocked me with this change. I was expecting Martin to have betrayed them in order to become a vampire. The fact that he actually was good made it so much more hard hitting.
Man this could have been Redemption for Martin even though this is a different reality this could have been a chance for baby fin and Martin to finally become something a family now baby finn all alone😢
To be absolutely fair Martin was someone who was doing reckless stuff such as trying to leave the island etc BUT when he was with Minerva we saw how his motivations changed. When he tried to leave with Finn he didnt try to leave the Island but rather flee from the gang with the tiger until it was save to return and he even said to Finn that he would come back for him implying how important Finn was to him. The trauma he got from that and the fact that he literally lost his son (he couldn’t have known that Finn survived) was too much guilt for him to go back to his wife which made him the man we know. Even as broken adult that we hate you sometimes had moments where you saw him genuinely happy being with Finn. The best example was when they were having that campfire with the village of these small guys where Finn asked him what happened and where they came from. When Finn said that he had a question you could literally see the spark of joy in Martins eyes feeling the trust and intimacy between him and his son. As soon as the question dropped Martin started to feel uncomfortable because he knew he ran away from his past and now he didn’t want to face the consequences by dealing with the trauma with his son which is why he somehow avoided the bigger questions that would have followed.
I wish he never died so he could've been transfered to the Ooo universe so Finn can actually have a good dad than the sucky one he got But sadly he died
😢Prismo, if you ever get out of your prison, please have someone fix these narratives. They are spiraling out of control. Thanks to anyone who reads this.
Bro I was so ready to see a wholesome fight scene with Martin carrying baby Finn in a baby carrier, only to him to be immediately killed off afterwards-
To think possibly the only good Martin with a decent moral compass would get killed off is so sad to think about, like what even potentially became of Finn and Jake in that universe?
Well Finn likely wasn’t born since Martin would’ve probably acknowledged baby world Finn being like his own son. And Jake doesn’t exist since magic seems to be at only a slightly higher level than farmworld since Huntress Wizard has no powers
If Finn existed, Martin would've recognized the baby. Jake existing could technically be possible considering the fact that Warren Ampersand wouldn't be bothered by the vampires, but there's no way Joshua or Margret or anyone from the crystal dimension would choose to live on Earth. It's possible that Warren might've bitten someone else in this world, and that would be terrifyingly trippy because the offspring would have Jake's shapeshifting powers, meaning that while the Vampire hunters clearly never ran into it, it COULD survive out there. On the other hand, Jake already died in the normal timeline, so unless Ampersand bit something with a longer lifespan then couldn't find it later, it's probably dead.
remember, Martin suffered a concussion in his original timeline. He forgot his home, he mostly forgot his kid, and he had to just keep moving forward. Martin originally was a conman, sure, but he still had a good heart, especially with the effect Minerva had on him. This is the man he could have been, should have been. But life took him in a different direction, the same way life took Fionna in a different direction from Finn.
This is the closest thing we could get of a Martin that is a responsible and loving father. And yet, the writer just took him away from us like its nothing, which broke my heart.
He WAS a good father in Finn early life. Willing to sacrifice himself to protect Finn and everything. Sadly after that and the brain damage he got, he became the Martin that we know now...
@@nurulafiqah4903 personally I don't think he really got the brain damage, it was just too difficult for him to turn over a new leaf at that point. He did try, but he had done too many mistakes in his past that eventually caused a major set back on him, even though he was genuinely trying to be a better person. He just chose to give up because it was easier for him. It's really sad to think about this.
Remember, Martin was a good dad. He was there for Finn and Minerva. He even risked his life, fighting the guardian, to save Finn! And then he got separated from them, lost at least some of his memories, and backslid into scumminess. This Martin is who he would have been without any backsliding.
The fact that Martin exists in this world at all means that he still escaped the human island, and the fact that Huntress Wizard is there means she would've initially been human had magic not existed.
Not necessarily. Marcy was the entire reason humans reached the islands in the og universe. Without her, it’s more likely that the islands were never reached
Actually pretty much most characters would incarnate as humans if they weren’t born with magic or if we’re assuming they aren’t an elemental, mutant, or already supernatural like PB, Billy, and Marcy.
The human island only existed because Marcy saved their ancestors from the vampires. In this world, they simply found a way to survive on their own without leaving, I guess. The Huntress wizard thing is definitely interesting, because since the mushroom bomb still landed and the Lich still exists here, there is something specific about Huntress wizard and/or her ancestors that was only able to happen in the normal timeline because of vampires being gone. Maybe nature and nature-related magic wasn't able to thrive because of the Vampire king blocking out the sun for 900 years?
Its weird that Marcy never told Finn about the group of humans who left ooo to make founders island. True that she never went with them but weird in the time frame of the world she never put it to thought. Don’t say she forgot about it when she didn’t forget Simon/Ice King in the span of when we met her she didn’t realize she didn’t live that far away from ice King. Or knew who ice king really was until a few episodes after when they got introduced to each other
I feel like people forget, that Martin was like this in the main universe as well, until he suffered a head injury from fighting the island guardian, trying to protect Finn.
Oh, Baby Finn'll get his, though. Give it time. Just imagine. Vampire tries to grab him thinking he's easy pickings. Finn just casually stops him with his arm like it's nothing. Then we cut to the other vampires looking shocked as he gets thrown past them offscreen, where we then see a puff of that glittery dust.
I was crying when Martin died he could've raised baby Finn that Fionna accidentally brought into their world But then he died and baby Finn is just there.
