It's clear that the police thought of OJ as a possible suspect from the beginning. And why wouldn't they? 1) He was the ex-husband. The ex-husband is always a potential suspect when a woman is murdered. 2) This had all the hallmarks of a crime of passion/rage killing. Lange and Vannatter called it a "classic overkill" in their book called "Evidence Dismissed." 3) There was a long history of domestic violence. Mark Fuhrman had been to Rockingham previously on one of those DV calls. 4) And then they saw blood on the Bronco, which was parked haphazardly on the street in front of an opulent mansion with secure gates. Even if you throw out everything found at Rockingham after that (and I could see why a judge would throw it out), there was still more than enough evidence to convict him if the jurors hadn't been distracted by the race issue. This case should be a warning to all police that you have to dot all your i's and cross all your t's on every procedure just so defense counsel can't use it against you. The worst mistake Lange and Vannatter made was failing to nail down OJ on a timeline when they interviewed him without a lawyer present. With the kind of evidence they had, they should have interrogated the shit out of him instead of treating him with kid gloves. So what if he gets uncomfortable and lawyers up? At least you tried.
Lange and Vannatter knew they were dealing with a psychotic narcissist and professional liar. they could never have "nailed him down". listen to the interview carefully. all he had to do was play "man, i dont know" "i love Nicole" and they would have hit a brick wall.
Every time this judge sustains Marsha's objections I want Robert Shapiro to blurt out "that's ok, let's see if Judge Ito will let me ask that question"
Daniel Sookoo what is irrelevant? This is a preliminary hearing. It’s not for the prosecution. It gives the defense the idea of what evidence the prosecution has against them and lets a judge know if there is enough evidence to actually prosecute Simpson. No jury here.
Questions are asked to throw off the witness, whether theyre relative to the case or not, and shapiro is doing a great job, hes stumping him on almost every question, and he gets impeached later on in the case
Being too smart for her britches it's so obvious MC did not see how this was going to be played out in the trial. Here was the warnings for all to come and she's just rolling her eyes and commenting to the other man. Couldn't anyone see how it was never going to go the prosecution's way so early? The asinine questions just unbelievable.
SoCal Indi - This case took so many twists and turns. Looking back now, knowing what the outcome was, it is very easy to see how obvious the prosecution did not do the job they needed to do.
her boss did. they brought in Chris Darden to counter Johnny Cochran. i was a kid but i said "oh, look they have a black lawyer to get the black guy and not look racist" on the first day of the trial.
Maryann G Vannatter was a good man and a good cop. He didn’t have a single complaint against him in all his years as an LAPD. He and Tom Lange were probably the most credible witnesses in this case.
It always baffled me that knowing this would be a high profile case or the potential of being one, the detectives would have stepped up their game. They certainly couldn't think they would get away with this just being routine.
He did for sure. Time science became a sespool toxic contaminated mess created by Vannater and entire LAPD no evidence or cause to arrest or search Rockingham they went through Simpson house getting socks to plant his own blood on shame on them frame Simpson we have no lead on what happened Nicole was involved too many friends who was not creditable or even who knows who was there that night in June Furhman had a layout to frame OJ but the jury dud not buy it I can imagine what they was thinking sloppy mess
@@MoneyOverFameThis preliminary hearing (this ass-whooping) was 3 weeks after the murders happened. He might have had months before the trial, but this video was 3 weeks after the murder.
I love the fact that Shapiro eventually wiped that smug look off of Vannatter's face during this trial. Shapiro made him and Tom Lang look like bumbling whiny misfits who couldn't tie their own shoes properly. Add Dennis Fung into the mix and you have a three ring circus - or at the least, the Three Stooges. The Dream Team wiped the floor with the entire LAPD
Marcia really thinks that Shapiro is just going to let them argue their case against his client for a double murder which could potentially lead to the death penalty or least life in prison. He was giving OJ a superb defense.
@@darrylnelson05 This was only a preliminary hearing, to establish probable cause and address some defense motions, not a trial to determine guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@danieldougan269 I know that. This was not about OJ being guilty or innocent. Probable cause was based on the police lying under oath. The judge sat there and allowed them to commit perjury. They made up an excuse to jump the wall. WTF is a vehicle looked like it was parked quickly? I park quickly everyday. No one tell unless they were watching me. They lied when they said he wasn't a suspect. You don't send veteran detectives to notify the ex spouse was murdered unless he was a suspect. Detectives aren't coming to my home to notify me that my ex wife was killed. But guess what a good veteran detective that knows of past domestic violence would consider the ex spouse a suspect. But they couldn't say that on the stand when asked why they went to his house. Perjury under oath plain and simple.
Vannatter went 28 years on the force with no citizen complaint, and I think Fuhrman only had 3 complaints in his career. World of difference between them and the likes of Cochran (who beat and cheated on his African American wife Barbara Berry with a white woman, who he even had a child with, according to "A Current Affair") and Bailey (a convicted felon of drink driving, 3 time divorcee and disbarred for hiding his client's drugs before he died).
D. Jones not probably the reason. That would mean Shapiro would have an agenda to use race and police bias prior to Cochran coming on. Shapiro was at odds with OJ’s intent to plead innocence.
I became obsessed with this trial about 10 years after it took place. This detective Van Atter, sounded so amateur on the stand, despite his many years on the force. He looked as though he lacked confidence on the stand. He repeatedly answered questions with I don't know. It was like killing fish in a barrel.
that's not by mistake. Robert Shapiro is one of the best lawyers of his generation and despite them bringing in Johnny Cochran as the lead attorney for the Trial in 1995 he's more than capable of probing police procedures.
Vanatter prob became too complacent and lazy with more years on the job. One partner is usually the paperwork guy/ recorder.. that was obviously Lange and not him. Furhrman like him or not seemed more thorough then those in the special unit. He kept notes, looked around and certainly testified much better in the preliminary hearing. I’m sure he may have disliked some races more then others but setting out to frame someone is quite a stretch. If he was going to plant a glove, he could have just thrown it under the Bronco. Instead people really think he’s walking around with a bloody glove hidden on his person while jumping a fence and waiting for an opportunity for Kato to say he heard a noise behind his bungalow?
@@jenmurphy6343 this is why documentaries are so dangerous. They suggest for people when people can think for themselves. The defense proved Fuhrman lied about when he took the picture at Bundy of him pointing at the glove. Thus proving the other officers were lying to cover it up. Vanatter had no business possessing OJ, Ron’s or Nicole’s blood. No officer that was at Bundy was supposed to go to Rockingham. Period. A whistle blower in the LAPD told Singular exactly everything the department was doing to frame OJ. Read legacy of Deception Singular provided the defense with the information they used to win the trial.
@@josephswabe5584 first of all.. fuhrman was not the only person to see the glove at Bundy. Vanatter did not have all 3 blood viles. He only has Simpsons. The autopsies hadn’t been completed yet. There is no way he could have had viles of their blood. What whistleblower? And seriously, w oj losing his reputation, money from making any more movies, his hertz contract, his sports commentator gig, his house, the lawyer fees (both trials).. he never went on in life bitching about being framed? No civil rights groups sued for wrongful arrest? He’s basically pro cop?? Sorry… that doesn’t make an ounce of sense.
Forms? Constitutional documentation. 6:49 murder book in hallway. 9:00 closes the book and pushes it away.. 18:00 failed to read report recently, or, before court. LAPD procedures are the legs for the Constitutional documentation. 35:00 2 detectives, and not unusual for two to assist.
I"m beginning to see why the jury found the way they did. This was a very sloppily investigated case. This cop that called himself a " experienced homicide detective" must have got his training from a Dick Tracy comic book.
Carrie Bess said 90% of the jury voted not guilty as payback for Rodney King, and this was the same shithead who put the blame on Nicole for letting OJ abuse and kill her by not leaving him, even though Nicole DID leave him. Why would she say that if it weren't true?
And your experience s a Homicide Detective is what precisely? How many times have you testified in court on behalf of the state? It’s a ploy this line of questioning and clearly it worked. You make a blanket statement knowing you’ll have people to rally behind your cause cause it’s popular to slam law enforcement. All so you can feel better..
Seems like Marcia Clark vs Robert Shapiro was shaping up to be quite the lawyer battle until Johnnie Cochran and Chris Darden got into the case. I wonder what would have happened at the if it had been just Clark vs Shapiro?
@Jeff Hietala - Robert Shapiro's expertise is plea bargaining. The minute Mr. Shapiro realized that this case was going to trial, he called F. Lee Bailey and eventually brought on Johnny Cochran. Both Mr. Bailey and Mr. Cochran were known as "trial doggs;" a compliment.
@@maryanng6841 You don't get excellent plea-bargians (like 3 years for 1st-degree murder for Marlon Brando's son) unless you're an excellent trail lawyer. Shapiro would have beaten Marcia Clark. Cochran was a good hire. Bailey wasn't needed.
How many detectives does it need to make a notification? Is this a trick question? Hell a patrol officer could have made a notification. Four veteran detectives went to investigate the home of the X spouse because he was a suspect.
Darryl Nelson or, because he was OJ Simpson and his children were being held at a police station because their mothers head had nearly been cut off??? When Nicole died, Simpson became the next of kin to the children. If my kids were being held at a police station, afraid, and alone.....I’d want someone to do whatever it takes to alert me to this.
@@pommiebears Then send a patrol officer. No need for 3 "Detectives" to leave a CRIME scene. You can notify a parent without sending THREE DETECTIVES. Cause that's not Protocol.
If Nicole is dead, who becomes the children’s next of kin? Oh yeah...OJ does. If my kids were alone and afraid in a police station, I’d want the police to do whatever it takes to find me. Whatever it takes.
I would say..that all police should be required to carry a recorder of their every movment..that way all is recoreded at the exact time..then...the people can just listen ..to everything...when it is going on..so no question..and the trail..would not be like this one..waste of money..and defense can not question every lottle detail..omg
Robert Kirk they all have body cameras now, don’t they? I suppose it’s only for the best. If my children were in a police station, scared and alone, I wouldn’t be quibbling over how they tried to get hold of me. I’d want them to do whatever it takes.
Obviously, Shapiro had the distinct advantage here, having the benefit of months to pore over minute details. Vannatter, on the other hand, was doing his job, as Shapiro is here, with a circumstance he didn't control, as opposed obviously again, to Shapiro here. It's easy to say he picked the detective apart, but to what I saw, he was simply trying to point any and every possible thing that wasn't according to absolute code while the police were thinking on their feet in as far as they knew was an active threat. It has NO bearing on whether Vannatter did his job well or adequately. Most people will realize that.
D Yates - I agree with everything you said about Vannatter doing his job. The only thing that needs correcting in your comment is the time you gave Shapiro, "Shapiro had the distinct advantage here, having the benefit of months to pour over minute details". This is the preliminary hearing and using the court date in the video, it actually had only been around twenty three days since the murders occurred, just nineteen days since Simpson't arrest. I think this preliminary hearing was done very well, considering how little time the prosecution had to put it together. ~
The cop lied on the stand. You don't have "recall" anything if you're telling the truth. The search was illegal and OJ was a Suspect from the very beginning.
@NL Correct. Everyone knows that. Yet the LA police under oath said that they didn't go to his house because he "wasn't" a suspect. Under oath they lied. The judge and DA let them tell that lie.
@@darrylnelson05 I'm saying a husband or ex husband would be a suspect from the beginning but the lapd went there to see if oj was there because of the kids then they saw the blood on the bronco
Tell me what is off topic? Questions about the LEAD DETECTIVE and the decisions he made besides being a liar an bad one .. give me 3 "off topic" examples that don't have to do with his decisions, his orders , or evidence.. ill wait
@@williebeamen2x lol my comment was 8 months ago. I am not rewatching nor do I feel obligated to provide you with anything. A simple Google search on your part on relevancy should enlighten you
@54:07 ~ When the hearing starts again the defense attorney is no longer questioning the witness. Does anyone know why? He said the next line of questioning would be extremely long.
At the end of time as we all know it. There will be a trial. Each person will be judged according to what they did on this earth. God will be the Judge. We will see who’s guilty and who’s not. If before they die there is anyone who asks for forgiveness about any sin and they repent and follow the Son they will be forgiven. If this man is guilty let’s hope that he asks the Father to forgive him. God help him to see the Light.
Gmama 10 it takes humility to do that. OJ doesn’t have any humility. He doesn’t feel guilty and admitted he is still angry with Nicole. He was found screaming at her grave. The graveyard workers rang up the Browns and told them. He blames Nicole for the fact that he killed her.
When the camera when to MC and she was just staring.. she knew it was all over and vanhatter and furhman planted all that shit and that’s why they didn’t write all of their going’s on down. She like wtf lol
This is why Shapiro made the big buck's !. He made Van Atter look like a complete idiot , and if the judge had not been trying to "save" Van Atter , Shapiro would have really destroyed him .
@@MoneyOverFame i was simply stating the obvious , Shapiro had tremendous legal skills. ...of course we all know O.J. was guilty , and that jury wasn't going to convict him from day one.....peace.
@no-kiddinski5190 actually incorrect she is the one who wanted the house closer to oj. Specially for the kids. She is the one who wanted to try and work things out for a year. Oj didn't want that he wanted to move on. Remember they were separated for couple of years and out of the blue she wanted to come back. ..... weird how someone wants to come back after being abuse by their spouse. 5 years later.
