Okay So We Gotta Discuss The Northman | Analysis 

Possibly two scenes… after the berserker raid when Amleth talks to the one guy sharpening his blade about his uncle fleeing to iceland. That guy in particular has a dead eye on one side and when he walks out of frame thats when the raven lands. A possible avatar of Odin to steer Amleth towards his fate 😏

@Radagast Guess I must have missed that.

@@jacobrearick5099 I'm pretty sure the one-eyed old man leading the Ulfhednar rite with the ritual horned headpiece and holding the twin spears (inspired by a period helmet plate, I think) is also the guy who slaps Amleth on the back after the raid. I think he takes the role of Odin in the rite but he's not Odin per se.

The ravens are like the ghost of Orvindell, Amleth father, the Raven King! Like in Hamleth realy, dont think its Odin

However, Huginn and Muninn do appear at the beginning of the movie!

Yea, I have to admit, the valkrie was scary af, if I saw that charging towards me irl I'd hide under my bed ffs.

I haven't seen it yet, would you recommend?

@@bezoticallyyours83 absolutely

@@bond_3239 Watched it last night. It was good, admittedly I thought the valkyrie was wearing braces, and they forgot to edit it out or something. 😅

If you by authenticity mean language , then absolutely. Otherwise, there are a lot of filmmakers that invest a lot of time to filmmaking.

@@CATDHD by authenticity I meant damn near everything Eggers does, the locations, the dialect work, the settings, the attention to detail, etc.

@@CATDHD I think the comment is specifically referencing pre-modern historical cinema, in which Hollywood has a historically awful track record (with some shining exceptions obviously).

Good to know. I wondered about the forests in Iceland during the film.

True. Her character could have easily seemed over-the-top, but she pulled it off well.

Her "aged" look was odd. She's 54. As is they didn't need to touch her appearance when Amleth was grown. They had already made her look younger when he was a boy.

I thought she did a wonderful job as well but I was disappointed in her ability to emote with her face. Honestly I think it's because she's had a lot of work done so she just can't move her face like she used to. Outside of that she was excellent.

Her performance itself is masterful, but her lip injections distracted me whenever she was on screen. That procedure creates such a specific look, which is specific to our modern times, that it somehow stood out as anachronistic and took me out of the world a little bit.

@@adamlane6453 Hang on - lip injections weren't around back in the 10th century? Ok got it.

I LOVED THAT!

And it's such a great way of having a pagan hear tales of christian ritual. Like it's not wrong, and it's seen from an authentic pagan perspective, making it sound much more barbaric and visceral than a christian preacher would say it.

One of the spells cast by Groa in Groagaldr is protection against "a dead christian woman" and that has before made me think if pagans found Christian burial practices dangerous, with high potential for returning malicious revenants, as they were so devoid of proper ritual processes (from a heathen perspective)... this whole dialogue in the movie made me think of that again...

Not a cross. A corpse nailed to a tree! Even better.

My only thought at that moment was "Where's the lie?"

Felt the same with everything everywhere all at once never have I felt strange. It was a trip

@@nancydachaudamour1166 what the hell are you talking about?

@@nancydachaudamour1166 you are incoherent

@@nancydachaudamour1166 when are you going to make any sense?

@@nancydachaudamour1166 your intelligence quotient is low

@Ruby Corner yes actually! It’s been a rather weird thing to experience growing up, and I even thought at one point it was me having the ability to shape shift into a wolf haha. Now as I’m older I realize it’s probably less of that, and more so a spiritual link of sorts. Thus, leading me to want to learn more about the Ulfheðnar and how they felt in regards to these urges and instincts.

Thought it was* whoops

See if you can find Jackson Crawfords RU-vid videos on Dangar, the highest concept of honor in the time of the Norse Viking era.

@Ruby Corner well. People have different ways of coping with different things. In this instance though I think it would do some good to look into the spiritual side if you’re experiencing what I do. Lol

@@Alphqwe Drengr.

Big agree. The best way to get more movies like this is to see it in the theater.

It sucks. I am both busy AND poor. So, I often find, by the time I am ready to see a film it is fucking gone from theaters, lol.

Best support it on streaming services and get a hard copy.

Honestly that sword needs a whole video

@@OceanKeltoi makes me laugh when people are shouting “they didn’t use single edged swords!!”

@@ce.d8333 I wasn't sure about that myself but then someone sent me some archeological finds of Norwegian swords and i was like-- oooo

@@OceanKeltoi oh yes, they absolutely used them. I think that's something Egger's obviously paid a lot of attention too. He had artifacts brought on set apparently.

yes, a desire to go to Valholl is definitely in line with the character.

Irregardless is a double negative

@@cobaltfalcon9458 Yup. “Irregardless” isn’t a word in English. I remember when I learned in my early 20s that I had been using it and was wrong. “Sheepish” would be an understatement regarding how I felt, considering I was reading at a college level in the 4th grade. Doh!

Wait Eggers, was that the one who did The Lighthouse?

Yeah that fight at the "Gates of hel" was... Weird. And very Christian inspired. Very curious on the thoughts of the writer for that scene.

Hel does have fiery gates in a few of the references. The final poem in the Poetic Edda discusses the flames coming from graves at the gates of Hel. Probably Christianized imagery, but from a literature evidence standpoint it's justified.

@@OceanKeltoi thanks Ocean!

@@OceanKeltoi Ah, now I think I understand.

​@@OceanKeltoi Yeah, we do have to remember that a good chunk of what was written down after the Viking Age was written by Christians. Didn't one of the Eddas have a disclaimer at the start saying that these were just stories and that the Christan God was the true God?

Yes!! Thank you!!

Does this mean ancient vikings invented the head shot? 🧟‍♂️ 😉

knowing your way around the language is =always= going to be helpful. I'll say quite clearly that I only know my way around English, and I don't think it's something that is required. But I have had to get into the meaning of various words in order to get a deeper understanding quite a few times while researching videos. So it's obviously going to help. In addition, there are several untranslated sources, so knowing the languages that those texts are written in will give you greater access to records. But all that said, I do stress that it isn't a requirement, it just can't hurt.

😊

That lamellar was a Klivanion, or Klibanion, which is was the Byzantine take on lamellar armor. The implication of Fjolnir wearing that armor is that he was formerly in the Varangian Guard, which is technically possible given the time that scene is set, and has historical precedence as well.

@@blakejohnson6362 and now my knowledge is expanded, thank you for that! and what a legit detail to add in

Glad you enjoyed it

it's heavily inspired by Ibn Fadlan's text as well as Neil Price's descriptions of archeological finds.

@Roniixx we all are here...

Overzealous in a good way I hope lol

@@hmitchell9759 Yes, in a good way. =)

That would be considered extremely shameful by the Viking Age pagans. Even offering a slightly feminine piece of clothing to a man would be considered a great insult worthy of a duel

@@zekun4741 Yes that is generally true...but Seiðr magic was strongly associated with the feminine yet there were men who learned it. They were seen as unmanly or emasculated. Odin himself learned it from Freyja and in the Poetic Edda poem Lokasenna (Old Norse: 'The Flyting of Loki', or 'Loki's Verbal Duel') a horn was brought to Loki, who began a flyting (the traditional Norse exchange of insults) with the assembled gods and goddesses. Loki accused Bragi was accused of cowardice; Freyja of being a whore; Óðinn of being womanly and of being guilty of disgraceful behavior; Frigg and Sif of being adulterers; Njorð of permitting his mouth to be used as a chamberpot by the giants; Freyr of buying his wife; Heimdall of being a menial servant; and Þór of being a coward. Othin spake: 23. "Though I gave to him | who deserved not the gift, To the baser, the battle's prize; Winters eight | wast thou under the earth, Milking the cows as a maid, (Ay, and babes didst thou bear; Unmanly thy soul must seem.)" Loki spake: 24. "They say that with spells | in Samsey once Like witches with charms didst thou work; And in witch's guise | among men didst thou go; Unmanly thy soul must seem. So Loki called Óðinn "unmanly" & says Odin wore women's clothing "witch's guise among men didst thou go". Additionally Snorri Sturluson, wrote in the Ynglinga Saga of the Heimskringla in chapter 7: Óðinn knew that art which brings the highest power, and he practiced it himself: It was called seiðr, and from it one could know people´s destinies, and things that had not yet happened, he could give death and accidents or bad health to people, he could take the wits and the energy from some and give to others. But this sorcery led to so much unmanliness that men cannot practice it without shame, and this is why they taught this art to the priestesses. So while a man being a practitioner of seiðr was to some degree seen as a negative men did so, even Óðinn king of the gods did. Seið craft was seen as a powerful art where one could heal & predict the future, so while males were shamed for it they could also be revealed for their powers...like the man we see in this scene wearing women's clothes as Óðinn had before him. You can hate it all you like but it's clearly part of history & in the stories if old. www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/mythology/myths/text/loki_binding.htm bladehoner.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/seidmadr-and-earl-the-male-sorcerer-or-shaman/amp/ www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/poe10.htm

@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 very cool and insightful this world is wonderful