Oklahoma will allow Bible class "released time." Satanists are ready to pounce. (Livestream) 

Yup

Absolutely.

Same parents that say during school hours they are your problem.

Lol

Well yeah, 10 year old boys aren't going to have sex with their uncles willingly, are they? You gotta groom them.

correct both sides indoctrinate

@@allthingseducation Both sides of what?

@@SIS3W3N the right and the left want their own form of indoctrination of public schools.

@@SIS3W3N Radical right wingers who still pretend to worship Jesus and the ones honest enough to admit they worship CONVICTED FELON Trump? Thats the only two that fit I can think of.

Right?! My dad cries all the time about religious "freedom," but I have realized that what he really means is religious Privilege.🙄 It's like he can't imagine that any other faith (or especially no faith) could exist.

I've met plenty of conservative Christians who don't believe Mormons or even Catholics are Christians. Those people could actually benefit from a class on the history of Christianity, in my opinion, but my point is that there are plenty of religions that conservatives would have a problem with kids being exposed to. And kids in school are absolutely going to talk about and compare one program with the other available programs that their friends are in, so if schools are forced to allow more variety, then their Baptist or Pentecostal kids are going to hear about alternative views.

They fight enough amongst themselves. I'm a true christian, you're not. It's a joke. 🇦🇺👍

Do you get your information from anti Christian platforms?

@@CheckmateSurvivor I grew up in a Baptist church that taught Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian and the Unitarian Church is for agnostics. Christian Science is atheist. All of them will not be saved because of their false beliefs so we shouldn't associate with anyone with those beliefs (unless the purpose is to convert them). There are people who believe Catholics aren't Christian either, but even if they are, they're still going to hell for their false beliefs. Any religion that baptizes babies, includes robes for anyone other than the choir, or doesn't believe in the Trinity is going to hell. There's a reason why there are jokes about a separate section of heaven so Baptists can believe they're the only ones there.

That makes zero sense. How am I supposed to learn what religion I want to freely practice if people are not allowed to talk about religion since it may offend somebody who is free "from" religion?

@@collinweeks6322 And here we see why pastors constantly lying about there being no middle ground isn't doing people any favors. The *government* is forbidden from supporting or discouraging any religion. *You,* as a private citizen, are free to discuss whatever you want and hold any events you want to educate your children on any religion you want. You just don't get to use my tax dollars to push your religion on my children as part of a government run public school. Just like how I don't get to use your tax dollars to debunk your religion to your children at their public school. This isn't a difficult concept.

​@@collinweeks6322 You aren't making sense. They clearly mean freedom from religion being forced upon people.

@gljames24 is there a difference between "teaching religion" and "forcing religion"? I think there is, and I am totally OK with teaching ALL religions and not forcing anybody to follow any one of them. I believe all religions are different branches of the same vine. By that, I mean I think there is "the truth" and all other religions are a manipulation of that truth to usurp power and/or authority.

​@@collinweeks6322You can jump right on Google in your own free time. Duh

Democrats being indoctrin-- I mean "educated": A woman is not defined by their genitals and the ability to give birth. There are infinite genders, communism is good and abortion isn't murder. Idk man I'm not sure any of us are ever going to gain true wisdom in this world.

I think you mean tyrannical government. Where they would be sending people to concentration camps for trying to study a religion.

Exactly

It makes Satan relatable to children 😂.

I thought the same

I was thinking that as well. "Looks like they're appealing to kids."

I'm a grown man and even I would love merch with that logo. It's super cute and a good design 👍👍

​@@CJinMono they have t-shirts and hoodies. Just sayin'. (Mugs, too, but those are sold out right now.)

I am very sure they would be so embarrassed. You wouldn't know he was a member by the way he acts toward the tribes.

Stitt shows so much contempt for our Tribes. Nahullo pretendian behavior.

I am Ind’n and I’m repulsed by this frikking apple. Malaki Strand.

What does his ancestry have to do with the religion that essentially did away with them getting away with switching academic education with religious education? What does it have to do with making sure your science, mathematics, real history(including your history) geography, English, etc, educations being allowed to opt out of to incentivise indoctrination about magic gods and men? They already have church. They don't need to steal trick kids into legally leaving their actual education in favor of a magical education. School doesn't prevent church or religious indoctrination but now it's legal to opt out of a necessary education for an unnecessary mythological magical one that u can get anytime but for some reason need to do it during class time.

It is shameful that Christianity is used as a vehicle to rob people of their indigenous culture and religion. It’s that way around the world as well as in America.

The concept of Freedom of Religion allows people to practice and live out their faith as they see fit. For a sincere person, this will color their entire life and existence. You people have been taught nonsense. None of the Founders could have envisioned a society in which Christians are lectured on civics by atheists...much less a society in which Christians passively ACCEPT said lectures...The nation you were taught about NEVER existed. It is merely the ASPIRATION of a handful of social pariahs...

I would definitely have no problem with that. There is no school in the US on Sunday, Christmas, or Easter. In one district where I worked, we were dismissed for two of the Jewish holy days because we had a large population of Jewish students. I would have no problem with Muslim students being excused early on Friday or if we had a large number of Muslim students closing school early on Friday and going an extra hour on other days. I think we both have a problem with what Oklahoma is doing to let students miss some regular classes like PE, music, art, or whatever class they miss. There are plenty of hours to do religious stuff without cutting into the school day.

@@mikehart5619 Exactly. Arranging the overall school schedule to meet the needs of the majority of students who attend there is totally fine. Allowing kids from one religion to skip regular classes in order to attend religious services they could easily attend outside of school (and giving educational credit for those services) is a whole other issue. My mom used to teach music in the public schools. With all the other ways music programs get the short end of the stick in most school districts, I can only imagine how difficult it would be to prepare your students for concerts, etc if half of them missed three out of every five classes - or more, if said music class doesn't meet every day and the kids choose to skip it whenever it does meet. Talk about setting both teachers and students up to fail... It's crazy.

Cause the insane people in Muslim countries have to take their meds.

I went to a catholic school in England and even they had less religious influence than public schools in the US seem to have. Quick prayer at the start and end of the day, religious education once or twice a week, and mass a couple of times a year.

It's easy to control the uneducated, as they will believe whatever you tell them, as they don't know any different, and if you want soldiers to walk into a hail of bullets, get them to believe they are going in to heaven and live forever, zombies don't ask questions 🧐

You don't get it - widespread illiteracy is deliberate public policy.

I’m glad I don’t live in Oklahoma.

75% of people in Oklahoma can't read? ... How?!

@@Leofwine a crazy system where religious groups can control the political decisions about education, education leads to critical thinking, and religious people don't like it 🧐

That's deliberate public education policy.

My senior year sister moved in with me when our mother had a terminal illness. My job was to get her to graduate. When her TN school finally sent me transcripts in WA… she shouldn’t have passed 9th grade. That was a very hard year for both of us, but she did get a diploma, and our mom made it to the ceremony.

Instead of teaching them. I understand that makes the job harder but good teachers moving away is going to worsen the problem as the kids that didn't receive as much education are going to grow up to become leaders.

In Nazi Oklahoma Stit wouldn't even give it a thought. Oklahoma is gods country that is why it is so fu---d up.

It's official. Atheism is Satanism.

I just so wish that would happen, even though I would also equally disagree with Islam shoving itself in public schools, but Islam doesn't have the political clout like Christian does in the United States to do that.

​@@AdmiralBison all Abrahamic religions are basically the same religion so ya. Honestly.

As if we don't know what he'd say.

That's what Catholics did when I was a kid. We didn't get school credit, we got medallions of saints and such.

My parents were both atheist's. I always had a note exempting me from religious instruction every Thursday at State School. I just fooled around with the few other kids outside. Victoria, Australia, circa 1975. I'm anti-theist very much now, organised religion is evil. Atheism makes me sane. 🇦🇺👍

see, that is the point. The people pushing this are not Christians, they are Christian Nationalist. Those people hate public education because they delude themselves to thinking it's liberal doctrinarian, even when the people running the board of education are largely conservatives.

You nailed it with that nonsense reply. Lol. Your non cult based on our cult isn't the one true cult. Totaly fuckin nailed it. 😂💀

Yes. Christianity is a cult too.

😂😂

@@GredelsRage Like: *where* does satin come from? *The* bibIe? Oh, interesting... but you're saying people *can't* worship him, because?

@@Kattlarv i didn't say anyone couldn't worship one way or another. As long as they don't push it on me i don't care. Satin? Satin is a man made fibre. A cotton-poly blend that is heat polished for a smooth shiny surface. Very popular for sheets back in the 70s. Clothes in the 80s and casket lining for a while now. As for satan the christian bad guy? I really don't care though it comes from an aramaic word meaning adversary used in the "biblical" era. I dont believe in myth and fairytales. No gods or demons. I dont worship anything. I have that freedom, don't impose upon it. Make sense?

Remember in christianity you are not a true Christian unless you stupid and suffering.

It kind of depends on what you are trying to get people to comply with; if it is something demonstrably good then it would probably be pretty easy. It is telling however that they feel an educated population would oppose their plans...

@@SilverMKI i mean, yes that's true. If you are trying to do something that is objectively good for the people their education level will actually be irrelevant. But yeh their goal is to take peoples rights and freedoms. This is why education in the southern US has been abysmal for so long

That's what trump and the MAGA-Tards want.

I grew up Catholic, but I don't remember ever thinking it had anything to do with reality. Just more nonsense and rules to remember.

I thought I was the only one who viewed Thomas that way in this story

Yep. Being made to read the bible at school will make any open minded kid an atheist. 🇦🇺👍

Ol doubting Thomas… As if the writers of the New Testament were trying to throw in something to keep you in line and never question the faith. And did Thomas really finger Jesus? Grodes

Thomas was stupid for wanting evidence for jesus's death. In my class today,I want to teach you about Abraham Lincoln. Class,how do we know Abraham Lincoln was president? Yes, evidence. Evidence is key,but not when it comes to religion.

"They claim lgbt indoctrination but they literally try bribing kids into their religion" Yep, people eventually find Religion projects all the time. The good news, despite the desperate and obvious efforts to stay relevant, more and more people within Religion no longer buy into it and are leaving. If it wasn't the case, why would religion keep trying to get into legislation, public schools, be more political and blatantly bigoted?... Because it's dying. The question is, will Religion in the United States die in a bang or a whimper?

Yeah, growing up with it wasn't as bad for me as it was for some of my friends. But its presence is pervasive in the midsouth, nonetheless. It took a lengthy deconstruction and multiple small migrations around the states before coming back with an atheist wife from NJ before I could really see how WILDLY present christian trappings are in otherwise normal-ass interactions. Feels out of place. Forced asf. Ugh ew, anyway, have a good one

makes me wonder how i would have seen this when i was a fundy evangelical teen. if i would have been for this or if i would have sided with the constitution. im just grateful for education bc education is what freed my mind and made me an atheist. and these kids are not getting educated well enough to begin with. and maybe thats exactly what the they're systematically trying to destroy....

You should just teach it as if they are students leaving for a doctor's appointment. Don't go back and reinstruct. Teach the normal kids and stay in line with where THAT lesson is. The other kids can catch up on their own

​​@@humanothumqn659I agree and if they cant catch up they fail. A far better lesson in the consequences of life choices than the bible could ever provide.

​@@VivaCatatumbo973 The biggest problem then would be: the parents will still blame the teacher for any bad outcome.

Never knew that. Thankyou!!

Was there ever a time it wasn't?

​@@MrFinbarzYes.

@@MrFinbarz Kids used to learn to read, and sufficient math to balance their check books...Those may seem like lofty goals today, but they used to go without saying...those who failed to do this were not allowed to get a diploma...It was a reasonable system. If you get the smarter kids able to read, they'll take care of the rest. And the mediocre or the less endowed? They were clearly and effectively labeled as such, and society did not indulge them in putting on any airs of being anything else.

Going? It's not even hit bottom yet. Whenever I visit America, I'm always appalled by people's general ignorance of their own history, geography and civics.

@@capt.bart.roberts4975 We used to have standards that were enforced. The strong flourished...the weak failed out and began a life of menial employment or petty crime. We cannot have that today. Nothing can be allowed to tarnish the self-esteem of our minority students. Standards are perpetually lowered to accommodate them. And of course, in the end, everyone winds up suffering so that the weak can continue to delude themselves without any unwelcome intrusion from reality.

Whole religious colleges are dedicated to teaching a single work of fiction is true- whole lives wasted.

I would argue Mormon seminary was a bigger waste of time. It was 50% bible and 50% fraudulent scriptures. As in, scriptures written in modern times that claim to be ancient. Hey, kids, let’s learn about how polygamy is the will of God and dark-skinned people are dark-skinned because they are cursed for being less valiant!

Like what?

@@thevulture5750 the taxpayers are providing for school credits for religious instruction. It was in my statement.

@@JMcKey21 The students leave the school for instruction?

They’re TRYING to get sued so they can take this case all the way to the Supreme Court since there’s currently a 6-3 republican majority and they think they’ll rule in their favor, like they did with Roe. It’s actually pretty scary.

@@thevulture5750bruh watch the video

I was just about to say the same thing. I took seminary "release time" as a kid growing up in Utah.. it has not served me in any possible way except lead me more towards atheism.

@@blatnick81 Wait, if that's what happens, maybe we should encourage it lol jk

@@blatnick81my atheist leanings began in my freshman year of seminary.

Only LDS students?

@@VetsrisAugustesame

They don’t help you become a good little worker.

Library teaches you how to learn about things you want to know, Art teaches you to appreciate the beauty in the world, even if you'll never be a great artist, and with how overweight the population is skipping Gym, where you might learn to be healthy, is criminal.

@@emilala9049 Actually, physical education in America is pretty terrible. They’ve got this one-size-fits-all system that forces a lot of students to work above or below their level. In fact, it’s possible that the way we teach gym class in this country may be actively contributing to the obesity crisis by teaching kids that exercise is an unpleasant thing to be avoided.

Btw, Satanic Temple aren’t really satanists….you probably knew that though.

@phonkyfeel1 yes I know that's why I said they could do it if they chose to

@@phonkyfeel1 Still, I doubt the reaction from that lawmaker would be any different if the class came from a LaVeyan Satanist group.

Yay!!!

Baby Baphie should be the official name.

That’s assuming the student was actually going to participate in or pay attention to the material in the first place. Given the general attitude younger folks seem to have about actually applying themselves, being logical and rational, or interaction with other human beings in a normal fashion, I doubt much is going to be lost.

Tell your mom I said, "Live long, and prosper."

@@elenachristian9860 Peace and long life to you.

Absolutely at least the star treks up until just after voyager for sure!

@@Llynnyia I like most new Trek. Though Picard was a mixed bag. I liked the antinostalgia of season one and the first half of season two... but after that it was fun but not as meaningful as I was hoping.

@@jessewilley531I’m a huge SNW fan, and I adored Lower Decks. I resisted Disco for a long time, but finally watched it. Meh? Picard was such a mixed bag. I hope SNW continues to be excellent. First episode I saw of that, I exclaimed “now THAT is STAR TREK!” Instant fan. Musical episode: yay or nay? Crossover episode: yay or nay? 😂

He said that they do give credit 1:33

@@riffhammeron In Utah it’s not for credit.

@@HoppyGoLitely oh, I see

If I recall, in Pleasant Grove, Utah we got elective credit. But it’s been a minute. I could be mistaken.

Right? If christian parents really cared about their child's everlasting soul, they'd pull their kids from sports and have them spending every afternoon 3:30-4:30 or 5p at church instead! /s

The goal is to teach obedience and undermine public institutions. Why would they do something that doesn't reach that end goal?

I feel like a part of why parents would do this is because it requires essentially no effort on their part. None of mom or dad’s free time is taken up driving their kids to an activity. Parents still get to talk about how devoted to their god they are, though.

@@annapierce2604hollow virtue signaling by lazy hypocrites

Yes, I love the fall of false religion. The pagans were doing similar things in their death throes, including gambling bingo nights at their temple public costly fairs.

Jesus approves this message… ! objective logic and analysis saves lives! Hard to hate your neighbour when you have to look at situations objectively…

Jesus can't do math, he couldn't even figure on how many people witnessed his empty tomb

@@CCS-RRSR-SM I mean all his followers also believe 1+1+1=1

Ugh no, i always hated math. At least Bible study would give some context to cultural things or historical references.

@@missk1697I didn’t like math either. For me, math is invisible (OMG - failed algebra). Physics was easier because it was possible to picture science in my brain. Any math with practical application is essential - to measure, for example. I’m great with fractions! I’m also excited by story problems (basically the opposite of everyone else). 💜💜💜

Many furries are artists, so that would teach art, crafts, and costume design. During mid-term exams you'd draw a reference sheet for your fursona, and your final exam project would be to create (part of) your fursuit. ... Or at least, that's how I'd imagine it!

@@Leofwine Not mentioning acting and social skills.

@@Leofwine Now that's how you teach kids to make the big bucks

Because they want the students to be uneducated. Hard to be a devout Christian when you learn how the world actually works

because education can lead to ideas, opinions, personality development and so on...nothing that your future dictators want in any form.

Not in Oklahoma.

Many of the prominent Utah families have connections and their kids go to Ivy League schools (out of state, needless to say). The default, if you have decent grades, is BYU.

When I taught in New York the religious classes were allowed one hour a week, and always off campus. I noticed that most of the students going to the religious classes (about half of class) were the naughty kids. The students staying in the classroom always had a fun, relaxing time with science or art etc. during that hour.

@@nancyf1342 I n my classes back in the 50s close to half the classes would go for "catechism" but they were not particularly naughty (that I remember)

I'm thinking getting in to UT Austin (a "public Ivy") or Texas A&M is also out if you aren't taking the appropriate classes.

OK, TX, FL legislators: "You say that like it's a bad thing."

They also think that evolution is a religion, but Christianity isn't. They just make it up as they go along.

It's available on their website in aqua on black or purple on black.

You assume they have a sense of logic and that they would choose to use it. While part of the so-called "American Dream" is to have your children surpass your own accomplishments, this is not a universal value. Also, I am guessing that a successful STEM career would involve leaving whatever small town or rural community kids were raised in. What role models would these children have growing up? Do these communities actually value a child's individual success when it potentially threatens the local power structure?

@@marymegrant9438 I appreciate what you’re saying but my comment is targeted at the ones manipulating these people. The people who are actually running the system you just described. They must realize the end results of their policies. This is deliberate and it’s directly hurting the country as a whole while its keeps them in control and making 90% of the money. That system won’t last. They never do.

Yes of brain dead people.

i've lived in this state all my life...this really isn't surprising at all for me

I think you need to take a course on constructional law.

the devil is in the detail.

Hail Satan!

I wonder why RU-vid wants to translate this to English?

Hail Satan and his spawn, Donald J Trump.

Hail Satan and his earthly servant, Donald J. Trump.

I bet they do. That sh*t is still taught in some white Southern Baptist churches today. One more flavor of White Nationalism hatred.

Don't tell some southern and mormon Christian cult sects. They DO mention it...and mention how the slavery wasn't THAT bad... And put that it's just illegal now, not immoral if their god commands it.

I thought so too but they aren’t great either. Dead Domain did a whole thing on it. Very disappointing.

@@truckerdave8465I'm sure they're not perfect as nothing is. Regardless of their faults I think the good they do is absolutely necessary. They're the main ones standing up and trying to prevent religious tyranny in this country.

@@misslayer999 I mean, they’re not small ‘faults’. - The Satanic Temple is structured in a hierarchical and authoritarian way because it is ultimately a collection of private for-profit and tax-exempt incorporated entities owned by just two men, Douglas Misicko ("Lucien Greaves") and Cevin Soling ("Malcolm Jarry"); together, they call themselves the "Executive Ministry" or "EM", and for all of the various ways TST has been structured over the years in theory, in practice the two of them have held complete authority over the finances, membership, campaign priorities, etc. This has always been in tension with the way TST markets itself as being a progressive/leftist organization, and regularly, the tensions have come to a head when Soling but especially Misicko have steered TST toward their personal, much more reactionary interests and tolerances in contradiction of the main body of those who consider themselves part of TST. One of the largest years prior till now was in 2018, but there have been many smaller examples. - The things they are doing to people directly are pretty awful.

Brandon at Mindshift has secular bible study, 5/5

@@ladyeowyn42 Yes, he is awesome too!

I provided the verbal commentary for the Book of Mormon in my high school. I was the future state debate champion. They couldn’t expel me, but they did strongly suggest I choose a different elective.

It's available on their website in aqua on black or purple on black.

@@SIS3W3N hell yes, thanks friend😁

That just means every single child can sue every single parent.

@@shakeyj4523 gotta show actual harm in any case any person harms another, doubt you could have a case at all in most cases say someone's life was ruined by their parents, but some abuse is hard to ignore the horrible damage some parents have done to their kids. There's specific things you can show as actual harm to a person, physical and financial, but emotional abuse would be ridiculous to try to sue over tho.

@@lyrapsi You clearly haven't been on social media. Everything is a trauma now.

Ewww...

Like PragerU or any of the unaccredited Christian "colleges" that require a statement of faith.

Ah the “benefits” of theocracy.

I would eat the free lunch, and keep my earbuds in.

Isn't that the business model of missionaries?

Churches will do anything to get 10% of your income for life

I was and I'm still working on undoing the brainwashing.

Until they catch a Catholic priest molesting a boy behind trailer #1 and a Baptist preacher molesting a girl behind trailer #2.

Well, I'm going to hell. My daughter-in-law took a sharp curve into evangelism and started homeschooling my two grandchildren. I talked to my son about not letting their education go off the rails. Of course, she bought the children's' book with our ancestors living side-by-side with the dinosaurs. It was just too much, and I snapped. I waited until she was out of the room, and I STOLE it. I slipped it into my backpack and walked right out of there with it. My grandkids both grew up and are both married, living adult lives, so I guess not reading that book didn't cause any lasting harm...

TST sells stuff with the baby baphie on their website.

If I lived in Utah I'd have a hard time NOT wearing a t-shirt with "F-ck the Church Elders" on it.

@@wesstubbs3472 I never lived in Utah. But I did live next to mormons once. I can appreciate that shirt.

My elementary school also had Religious Release time, off property,, and in trailers on the street, and I also lived in a very blue state. There was one trailer for Catholics and another one for Protestants. This happened twice a week. Almost everyone in my 30-person class went to one or the other trailer, leaving us four heathens (Jewish kids) behind in the classroom, where we had to do classwork. What was most upsetting to us "left behinders" was that each Religious Release child returned to the classroom with a bag of goodies... candy, coloring books, toys... which they would never share with us. :)

@@judyariel How "christian" of them

That's why I am trying to come to Canada. Having my teaching credentials evaluated in two provinces. Sick of the US

Avoid Alberta….. it is pretty hardcore Christian

Canada is not safe from this, it’s just not as blatant. But if you do a search for times where child protection services had to intervene with sects/cults where kids are cut off from any real education, you’ll find stories.

@@GRAHFMETAL *Weather. Whether means "a choice between alternatives". #boneappletea