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Old CNC Lathe Teardown: Part 2 

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Two videos in 3 days? What a hero! Just kidding. It was all going to be one video but I realised it was getting super long and split it up. Doncha hate it when you're watching a long video and moving the slider 1 pixel forward is like 5 minutes in the video?
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@evren.builds
@evren.builds Год назад
33:35 the conclusions are great man thanks for such an awesome teardown
@2384SKIPPER
@2384SKIPPER 5 лет назад
I think those Clearpath motors have the ability to home by resistance. You just drive them slowly into a hard stop and they sense the home point by the rising motor current.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Yep they do! I was using the outputs as a crash alarm, but maybe I'll try them out for homing. Some devices even hard stop home with open loop steppers and just "crash" until they think they've moved far enough and set that as the zero. If implemented correctly, it can be more accurate than traditional sensors.
@MassoCNCAustralia
@MassoCNCAustralia 5 лет назад
actually as the motor only has one output signal, the best way to do this is to not use the motor output for homing and still homing with hard stop as this will work but use this motor output for alarms while running the motor for any stall alarm etc.
@makerog5666
@makerog5666 3 года назад
@@TabletopMachineShop The "Steve Wozniak Homing Method for Floppy Disc Drives". Just run it long enough to be sure it ran into the stop.
@kevin_delaney
@kevin_delaney 5 лет назад
Life hack, is an Allen key screw is stripped, use a torx!!! Works every time. If it's the threads that's stripped....You SOL 😂 Of you need any help at all, let my know. I am an apprentice to a guy that's been machining for like 35 years and I'm learning so much so fast.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Thanks Kevin!
@mannycalavera121
@mannycalavera121 5 лет назад
Seeing you tinkering with this lathe is strangely satisfying.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I'm glad you think so! I kind of think of it as awkward and clumsy lol
@CurtVanFilipowski
@CurtVanFilipowski 5 лет назад
I am so pumped for this project! Thanks for sharing!
@MassoCNCAustralia
@MassoCNCAustralia 5 лет назад
very cool and loved the idea of 3D printing parts first, look forward to the new machine!! As SKIPPER2384 mentioned you can use the clearpath "hard stop homing", it will save you a lot of trouble installing sensors or switches, we also support this on MASSO now so should be easy for you to setup. For the spindle encoder we are releasing an optical encoder which will be a perfect fit for your machine, will send one unit once they are in production so that you can add the size and mounting points to your design, good luck!
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Awesome! I'd love to hear more about the new encoders! I was actually looking at your homing sensors to use for the encoder but the form factor wasn't quite right. I did like having the feedback circuit from the Clearpaths as an alarm for stalling, but maybe I will use it for homing.
@rshotty9039
@rshotty9039 Год назад
I know this is a few years late but im about to go down this path for a purpose built lathe for a specific operation. You mentioned epoxy granite, but im going beyond that and the base of the machine is going to be a Starrett PINK surface plate. yea... I know
@typebin
@typebin 5 лет назад
thank you for sharing wonderful video!
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Thanks!
@machinist123
@machinist123 5 лет назад
You need space for drills boring bars and taps, which will stick out and take up space on the z axis. This being the case if wanting to turn, drill, bore, or tap in one operation. Add max stock stick out from chuck plus clearance plus max drill length plus cross slide width to figure out appropriate z axis length and travel. Adding a tail-stock maybe double the length figured with out tail-stock support. The stick out from the face of your collect or chuck to the back, which would pertain to what is inside the working area of the lathe needs to allow long bits/tools clearance in z, so they don't touch the back. The back being in the z- direction
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I agree, my tools currently don't stick out past about 3 inches, so even then I have extra space, but that's definitely a good thing to consider. The new lathe will hopefully accomodate larger drills, so even without a tailstock I guess I'll have to make sure I have some room. I'm also planning to have a bit of clearance around the spindle face so long tools don't hit the headstock while the short tools are working.
@yassinelessawy6101
@yassinelessawy6101 5 лет назад
You are not the only one who has an Alen key problem
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I'm glad to hear that :P!
@selfdestructint
@selfdestructint 5 лет назад
@@TabletopMachineShop Colour coding with electrical tape saves a lot of heartbeats over a period of years ;)
@firstlegoleague8
@firstlegoleague8 5 лет назад
aluminum and steel are corrosive together thats why the screw was rusty
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
True, though I've never seen it this aggressive before, which makes me suspect something else is affecting it too.
@firstlegoleague8
@firstlegoleague8 5 лет назад
I've got a precision steel dowel pin i left in a aluminum reemed hole, came back 30 days later, completely tarnished with rust, also have had this happen on several robot's I've built, the black oxide coating on the bolts only helped for about a year or two before it was plated in certain areas with rust.
@evren.builds
@evren.builds Год назад
3:11 that might be galvanic corrosion between the steel and the aluminum
@curtislavoie2242
@curtislavoie2242 5 лет назад
Awesome project! If you keep it a chucker consider a direct drive spindle. It could end up a similar length to what you have, considering the shortened Z.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Funny, I was looking at frameless motors (motors where you basically build it around your shaft) but they're pretty expensive. The big advantage of the indirect drive is that I might be able to implement a through-spindle system and maybe even a bar feeder
@Marauder099
@Marauder099 5 лет назад
I wouldn't be too worried about running a belt on any of the axis. I've worked on a lot of Indistrial machines and more often than not they have a belt driven axis or two. You can also view them as an IFP ( intentional failure point) important design concept to keep in mind with CNCs: plan where you want your failure and save your motion components. Better to have a stripped belt than a sheared motor shaft any day of the week. Side story: when I was a kid in my dad's shop my dad would hand me a coffee can of bolts and a box of mismatch Alan keys. He'd have me grab a bolt and try to grab the right key. It's paid dividends as an adult lol. Many many hours of guessing and stripped screws have been saved 😂
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Interesting.. I had seen belts on big machines before but I kind of assumed they were some kind of super precision belt. I have had belts stretch on me before and lost accuracy that way. That's a good point about having an intentional failure point, although fortunately in my case the motors aren't quite strong enough to damage anything My dad used to save nails out of wooden things he took apart and I used to straighten them for him, so my nail straightening game is on point :P
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 5 лет назад
Encoder wheel bit is super cool, never heard of that before.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Ya it's pretty simple isn't it?
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 5 лет назад
Is that something the clearpath motors could do on their own, dont they have their own integrated encoder?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Clearpath motors do have an integrated encoder (a very nice one in fact) but there's no way of accessing the signal. I think they have a new series of motors where you can, but I don't think it would work with common CNC programs. Most encoders have an "index mark", which is basically a home position, and that would work well, but again, there's no way of reading it externally.
@calvinmoffatte7334
@calvinmoffatte7334 5 лет назад
Are you sure about your comment about the factory bk12 support? Most of the cheap ones dont have angular contact bearings in them. I took apart 3 or four of different sizes and they all had deep groove bearings. A 7001angular contact bearing will fit in the bk12 bearing support. The dimensions are 12mm id 28mm od 8mm thick.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Hmm you might be right. I've seen AC bearings in units from higher quality manufacturers, though I've never actually taken one of these lower cost ones apart. I guess preloaded deep groove bearings are fine too, just for a slightly lower load. Good catch!
@kevin_delaney
@kevin_delaney 5 лет назад
You should scale that up. Instead of "desktop" do "benchtop." You'll have yourself less. Make is small once it works the way you want it to and looks the way you want to.
@bunnythekid
@bunnythekid 5 лет назад
The abec bearing rating scale is a measure of precision and tolerance. It goes up in odd numbers to 9 (9 having the tightest tolerances). There are three companies called abec 7, abec 9 and abec 11 who all manufacture abec 5 or less bearings. I did some digging this year when I went the local extreme sports shop and bought a pack of 12 super precision abec 9 bearings for £10...
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I got some ABEC19 bearings once just because i thought it was funny... they were like $0.50 each!
@bunnythekid
@bunnythekid 5 лет назад
Tabletop Machine Shop according to my calculations, that puts the tolerance at negative 8 microns (for a 20mm bearing). I guess for $0.50 each you can’t expect them to spin!
@bunnythekid
@bunnythekid 5 лет назад
Tabletop Machine Shop Forgot to say, can we start a crowd-funded operation to manufacture M2 through M12 Allen screws with a single size driver. Or better yet ones that torque to spec and undo through sheer force of will.
@stevendoesburg6555
@stevendoesburg6555 5 лет назад
A small cordless drill or impact driver with hex bits works wonders in speeding up disassembly. Just don't try to torque up fasteners with them during assembly, that's what torque wrenches are for.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Yeah I actually don't have a cordless drill haha, otherwise I'm sure i'd use it more... I find I get myself into trouble much faster with power tools! We have some really nice electric drivers at work for assembly... they can even be set to a certain torque... I think they're really expensive though
@AnhNguyen-mh8dy
@AnhNguyen-mh8dy 4 года назад
I'm also using an AC servo for my spindle, and I want to know how do you send the Index Pulse from Ac servo to Mach3?
@howesinc
@howesinc 5 лет назад
I totally understand the idea of just wanting to build something cause you can, but what do you foresee yourself making on this mini cnc lathe?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I think because I do so much small work, a reliable CNC lathe for small pins, custom fasteners, gear blanks, drive shafts, pivots and things like that would be really useful to have. It would also be fun to be able to turn more ornate or fun things, like knob handles, finials, airgun ammo, fishing lures, etc. Good question!
@thetunnelmaynia
@thetunnelmaynia 4 года назад
@@TabletopMachineShop This is my first time seeing this video but as fat as gear blanks go you could go one step further and put an encoder on the spindle. Then you could design and build a life tool for the turret to do gear hobbing or a single involute cutter. Then it's a one stop shop.
@electricload7696
@electricload7696 5 лет назад
Hi, Your are working nice, more accuracy in your projects. I searched out your channel but there is no any video where you have explained about the electronics of the CNC Lathe Machine, because i want to know about the control system of your machine that you are showing here, so please make an videos what kind of controllers, softwares, drivers you are using here.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Hi, thanks for he comment. I have videos on setting up the MASSO controller in which I cover this.
@sir_wolfart4733
@sir_wolfart4733 5 лет назад
As for control side of the the lathe i say switch to Linuxcnc. The ability to customize how the machine run and operates is all most endless. Plus I think Linuxcnc can replace those little Arduino control boxes for the two turrets with little work. I know you're thinking that you need a big old PC to run Linuxcnc but that's not true now. Machinekit a fork of Linuxcnc run on the beaglebone black a computer smaller than that maso controller. It would work with all the clearpaths motors you have plus the encoder.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I am really excited for MachineKit to mature a little more. I remember I tried it out and found it a bit intimidating -- then again I don't have much experience with Linux. I think my ideal system would be like 75% Masso with some customizable GPIO and macros. We actually had LinuxCNC on a machine at work for awhile, but someone much smarter than me set it up and took care of it:P
@massimoj5296
@massimoj5296 5 лет назад
The mail reason lathes and mills are made of cast iron is that cast iron doesn't deform. Rolled steel and aluminium will go into plastic deformation overtime.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Yeah coupled with the low cost and vibration damping. There are steel and aluminum alloys that are very stable over time, however they tend to be expensive.
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 2 года назад
Crap.....never had that happen......the real reason machinery like lathes and mills are made from cast iron is because they are made from castings that are mass produced from a pattern.............that is apart from the fact that cast iron can be scraped to a fine finish and fit and have self lube qualities with some oil present........cast iron will indent whereas steel will raise a burr if its impacted.
@rafasilva8666
@rafasilva8666 5 лет назад
Not sure about the impedance comment, i always just thought about back emf which is proportional to speed hence you need higher voltages for higher speeds
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Hmm I guess I'll have to check that. I thought back EMF only occurred after a coil has been turned off
@RobB_VK6ES
@RobB_VK6ES 5 лет назад
It is the rapid switching of the coils which the impedance opposes thus limiting the current. Upping the voltage allows more current to be delivered to the coils. Higher voltage when used with current limiting drivers allows the coils to approach saturation while limiting power delivery thus creating the best performance
@koplandavid
@koplandavid 5 лет назад
Ntn has colored seals for proper assemby (Duplex)
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Good point, and come to think of it some shielded angular contact bearings have a copper coloured shield on one side for the same reason
@Wobblybob2004
@Wobblybob2004 5 лет назад
Are you sure that encoder disk isn't translucent to infra red?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I'm not sure actually -- that might be worth checking. It's delrin I think. Fun fact: Coca Cola is infra-red transparent.
@rupertpowell
@rupertpowell 5 лет назад
Black PVC tape only attenuates IR about a half. White is a bit better. Deffo' worth checking on a scope though.
@anameisrequired3729
@anameisrequired3729 5 лет назад
mark allen keys and fasteners in matched colors?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I've seen blue metric fasteners and different coloured metric/imperial allen keys, but I certainly want to avoid painting screws :P
@qwertzbalken6076
@qwertzbalken6076 5 лет назад
@@TabletopMachineShop Wera Hex-Plus Allen keys are color-coded, from 1,5 to 10.
@lukasmilkau2350
@lukasmilkau2350 5 лет назад
Hi is in possible to her this cad files?
@GuyMcCaldin
@GuyMcCaldin 5 лет назад
Just a heads up, the link to your instagram in the description goes to a dead page. I think it should be instagram.com/tabletop_machine_shop/. I'm looking forward to seeing how the project develops!
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Thanks for pointing that out! I'll make sure I fix it. Computers aren't my strong suit lol. Thanks for watching!
@qwertzbalken6076
@qwertzbalken6076 5 лет назад
5:46 You should look into CPC Linear Rails, they are relatively Cheap, have a stainless Chipguard and these things that prevent the balls from coming out if you take them off. I don't know where you are from, but i ordered mine at www.dold-mechatronik.de . They ship to Germany, Europe and Switzerland. Edit: I watched the Video to the End and now i know that you are from Canada, so yeah. I hope it still helps you.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Haha I literally had a bit after mentioning Hiwin where I mentioned CPC rails which are a little bit cheaper and better, but I edited it out. I don't know if they have distributors here but I've only heard good things!
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