[OLD] Detroit: Become Human Review (PS4) 

Hearing Mr. Krabs swear without dolphin noises is weird

Thought id correct a few things. Carl didn't buy Markus as a slave, Kamski gave him Markus as a gift. Carl also only dies if you choose not to defend yourself. Markus just pointing at robots to convert them is actually explained. Deviancy is transfered through exchange of information, androids touching is the fastest way to exchange info (basically ethernet vs wifi). Also Hank DOESN'T hate androids. He hates human apathy, which he sees reflected in androids, which is why he gets increasingly more pissed off when you pick cold or detached responses.

In fairness, Hank doesn't truly hate androids, he just seems to hate apathy. Which is why whenever you drum up the act of "I'm just a machine" he gets pissed off. Hence why he might be furious if you treat an android as a disposable machine just because you don't care if it lives or dies. It's not perfect, but he's actually one of the more consistent characters in the story, it just takes listening to him and understanding his cues better.

4:15 Actually, you can choose to leave Carl behind but he just wheels himself into the room. Also, Carl always gave Markus freedom. He actively encouraged him to make his own decisions and such. That's probably why you can do a lot more stupid shit without getting scolded for it. Though, I did mess around with Carl (walking around the house with him) and he told me to knock it off. You just have to keep doing it for a bit.

1:57 "WHAT? You think I'm a robot. Squidward: We don't think. We know.

I think that the reason Conner was able to bypass some the barriers and protocols that Kara and Markus couldnt was because it was acknowleged that Conner was the most advanced AI of his time, built to preform tasks on a level that other bots couldnt achieve, as well that he would have a more muted understanding of self preservation because his model was designed to be interchangable, meaning thart if one body was destroyed he could just get a new one. Love your content and agree with you on the flaws of this game, but i think this was just something you didnt process during the gameplay.

This is a weird crash game

I think this is the best David Cage game because it does the least number of bad David Cage tropes.

Despite all his rage, he’s still just David Cage

But did you pet Sumo though?

"After this, I'm convinced that David Cage is actually an android" *After this?*

I think it would’ve been better if they just focused on Connor and Hank’s relationship. If they made a buddy cop crime drama instead of this. Connor and Hank have the best chemistry that actually feels genuine in many moments. David cage maaay have gotten a bit greedier than he should have.

I didn't find Hank's character contradictory. He goes through some character growth, but it can be hard to see depending on what choices you make in the game (and actually takes more than one playthrough I think). Hank values compassion and empathy, and that is consistent throughout the game; he dislikes humans because they're weak-minded, selfish, and lack empathy -- traits non-deviant androids, i.e. machines, share. Certain dialogue makes it fairly clear that he misattributed androids as unfeeling machines made in their creator's image; however, through observing deviants he comes to the realization that they are not only capable of feelings, but they may even be superior/stronger than humans and avoid some of humanity's many weaknesses. Perhaps Hank even came to the realization that androids deserved compassion (and that he was weak-minded like other humans), and that played a part in his change of heart. Regardless of how you interpret Hank's character, I think his character arc, along with Connor's, was the best writing in the game. I think several of your complaints come from being inconsistent in your characterization: this could be attributed to a writing/design fumble or a player fumble. If, say, you play Connor as a machine for most the game but then choose the odd un-machine-like dialogue choices, you're going to get the inconsistent characterization. This is easily avoided if the player just stays within character (whatever characterization you've chosen for that character) throughout the game. In my playthrough, I didn't have any inconsistencies in characterization for any of my characters. The fact that there are so many choices in the game makes the potential issue of inconsistent dialogue in places almost inevitable, in my opinion. The one thing I can agree on is that the writing is fairly weak -- nothing exceptional or new was done, and there is the odd contradiction or nonsensical bit thrown in (like a certain "plot twist" or Markus' forced relationship with North). However, I can forgive most of the weak writing since I did enjoy the overall experience and the characters/actors really carried the narrative. Plus, the music and graphics were great.

I really liked Detroit. My brother was playing it at the same time I was and we spent a lot of time discussing what happened in our individual playthroughs and it was awesome to see how drastically different our stories ended up being based on the choices we made. The sheer size of some of the branching paths and how they can open up other paths later kinda blew my mind

What is it with David Cage and forcing in awkward and unneccessary love stories in every fucking game? Farenheit did it, Heavy Rain did it, Beyond did it... It's like he doesn't grasp the concept that it's kind of a romantic tumor.

There are so many easily explainable, nitpicky things you mentioned that take away from your overarching argument. For example: the way the sentence is phrased in the scene with the two Connors implies that Anderson’s son died at the hands of an android, but the android was there in the first place only because the surgeon who should have been there was high off his mind. He was shifting the blame in a fit of despaired rage when he lost his son and couldn’t get rid of his resentment until Connor came and changed something in him. There are many other things you mentioned where there are explanations just as simple as complicated as the questions are, and I don’t see why this would make up a large chunk of your video.

About the bit about the androids should be slaves for the case of markus and conor, they are not slaves the only slave of the three is kara... I thought it was pretty clear even in the police reports that markus is a special model and carl been trying to make him break the code and be free since the beginning. As for conor the cyberlife and amanda are giving him a longer leash and again he's a special model that is created to fulfill the cyberlife goal and complete his mission he's more like a brainwashed soldier than a slave and it was pretty clear from the beginning

Two points on this game: 1. Deviancy according to Kamski is like a virus, so I assume physical communication like the touching either transmits the virus or allows the deviants to give the virus at will. 2. Hank's son was killed by an android surgeon, but the android surgeon was put in charge because the human surgeon was high on red ice.

David Cage games are the best unintentional comedy games. or the best games to play while drinking with your friends. Either way, you'll wind up with a headache the morning after.

But...but an android did kill Hank's son? Hes just saying its the surgeons fault because he was unable to do the operation because of being high.

So, in other words: it's a David Cage game.

Press X to Jason over this? Nah mate, you’re dreamin’.

IMO it's better than Heavy Rain in every way. In fact, I think it's the best cinematic-choice game ever made. Better than anything else from QD and better than TellTale games. Also, choices actually matter. Another interesting thing is that all the other people who think David Cage is a nut case, like the Super Best Friends, are actually really enjoying this game so far.

Gotta love David Cage's unsubtle brick hands

of all people i would've expected you to make a cortex joke at the mention of clancy brown

Deus ex did this idea better, also I don’t really think it’s unjustified to be fearful of Android/robots, I’ve seen enough sci fi films to prove that

In my eyes, making a story centered around robots...serving as an allegory for racism is a fundamentally flawed idea for a story

"Insert unoriginal comment about this not being a Crash video even though Crash videos are scheduled for Sundays "

Calm down folks... Remember this is Caddy, not Caddicarus. Though inserting Crash characters into this game would be great.

Detroit: Become Human is the best Crash game!

Honestly, if you don't think too hard about the finer details and just have fun with, it becomes a very fun game to play and see what you can do to change the story.

No offense, and not entirely defending the game cause there are things done wrong...however a lot of your complaints are actually answered with small details that are seen if you choose to see it, like the whole Markus converting thing is in reference to the fact that he’s a prototype developed by the one person who wanted androids to revolt, granted that’s only seen if you read the deviant reports as Conner

Hank hates a lot of things. He hates the twisted nature of humans itself and he's already gone to a point of being totally fatalistic. He even talks about Androids being a mirror of their creator which he thinks very negatively about. He does hate Androids, but it's not as simple as that. A suicidal man that is still grieving about his son? How can it not be possible for someone like that in the real world to go hate and blame a lot of things. It's not reasonable but it's psychologically sound.

Honestly the reason Connor and Hank are the best characters in the game is because they improvised the majority of their lines/quirks. Which in a David Cage game is a huge shocker when the best and most likeable characters ignore the shitty script.

i usually agree with you on most things but i think so many of the points you made about this game are easily explainable but i enjoyed the video anyway it's a 9/10 for me

Yep he wants emotional player choices but not at the expense of HIS narrative. I don't know what David Cage would do if he hadn't watched all those movies before hand? It's funny they're called David Cage tropes when he's pretty much like every writer in Hollywood now, building hideous monsters made from the body parts of other movies. And references, you got have lots of references to other things.

During CRASH MONTH Caddy calls Hank MR. KRABS AND NOT CORTEX? Come on man. Lol

In my opinion this game much better Heavy Rain so in that case I disagree with this review very heavily

Hey, Caddy. This is an easy factoid to miss so I won't blame you for assuming, but Carl (the aging artist) didn't buy Markus. It was actually a gift from Kamski (the big robot inventor) to Carl. Nothing big, just feel an urge to correct you.

I agree with you on just about everything you've said except I don't think you read/heard the final Hank/Conner scene correctly. His son DID get killed by an android operator, but the android only had to operate on his son in the first place because the human doctor was too high to do it himself. That and, I honestly don't think it's the game's fault that you were unsure who you were controlling in that final Markus/Conner scene. I got to the exact same scenario and I think it is extremely clear based on how the game shows control up to that point that the X prompt was for Markus.

A lot of these problems you have with the game seem like nitpicks. I recently played all the quantic dream games again and Heavy Rain does not age well, don't get me wrong I still love the game but I think Detroit is miles better than Heavy Rain.

Carl never saw/treated Markus as his slave. What are you talking about?

I personally think David Cage is less of an Android and more of a Alien from another Dimension who wants to tell "HOO'MAUN" stories. Like, he is a literal "Conehead"

I have a feeling you hated it a lot more because you had an unsatisfying ending. It left a bad taste in your mouth.

From the man who brought you this classic quote : JASON !!!!!!

Funny how every criticism video of this game I've seen has been people lacking basic understanding of generic philosophy and, even more hilariously, a hilariously huge misunderstanding of basic/advanced robotics and engineering. This video is no different. This game obviously isn't a "masterpiece" as I've seen some people claim, but it is a great game with a fantastic message, regardless of how blunt the devs delivered said message.

Why does everyone hate beyond: two souls when compared to heavy rain? I mean, I haven't played it but I have played Beyond and it was really good.

I love you caddy, but this is very nitpicky!

Long story short, just play Nier Automata.

thank you youtube for actually informing me caddy has uploaded for once instead of offering me tv crap

I love crash month

An android DID kill Hank's son...technically. The human surgeon was high on Red Ice, so couldn't do the operation on his son. So, they got an android to do it and the operation didn't succeed and the son died.

The soundtrack was really awesome - I mean wow!

you got a lot of points wrong, i guess you only played through once or twice

I like you caddy but you didn't understand a lot about this game IMO.

Here’s what I don’t get: If humans hate androids, then how did they get to become such a prominent part of this future society? It doesn’t make sense to me that humans in this game are like “ Ok, we’ll make loads of androids to help run everything, there we go much easier for everyone now AND NOW WE HATE THEM ARGH DAMN ANDRIODS TAKING OUR JOBS!”

I know it's your opinion and all but I gotta say 5/10 is a bit low of a score it's a good game not perfect but very good in my opinion

So Monsieur Cage made a new "movie". How did I not hear about this? I find them extremely entertaining in a comical way, in that Cage wants to maintain the juxtaposition of sci-fi/fantasy (usually) themes with super deep and meaningful connections, but it always fails miserably. I look forward to Hellfire Comms' commentary on Detroit: Becoming Human very much. Fantastic review as well Caddy (sorry to steal your thunder) and you've made some excellent points on Cage's... way of thinking... and why it doesn't work even when he thinks he's made a masterpiece. Also congrats on 500 patrons!

Amazon Alexa was the precursor to this game

Hit every nail on the head, literally these were my exact thoughts on this game and it was so nice to watch one of my favorite youtubers make such relatable points, awesome dude

"Caddy Clashes." I thought you were done with renaming shit every other episode.

yknow i clicked this thinking i would hate it and i wouldn't agree with any of your points. but i totally agree. i love this game, but you made really good points. good job, dude.

I love you Caddy and respect your opinion but I think you are a bit too in love with Heavy Rain. Personally I haven't enjoyed any of David Cage's except for Detroit

What a nice birthday present! Thanks Caddy :)

I love this game. But I think due to the choose your own adventure nature, some routes are going to be inevitably worse than others.

alright hold on wait you think bioshock infinite handled racism well????

David Cage is a failure of the game design.

I'd love to hear your current thoughts on beyond two souls

Id say this game for me tops Heavy Rain so its a 9/10 for me

I agree with most of what he said... Connar is bae though.

I do agree with a lot of points you brought up but would also advise repeating it with different choices in order to explore more of the story.

Awesome review. As for the problem with Hank suddenly changing his backstory regarding his son I think the dialogue just explains it poorly I think what he was saying was that yes, the android operated on his son and his son died, so for that he had some resentment for them but as time went on he realized it wasn’t the androids’ fault it was the dr that was too high to come to his son’s aid. The android did what it was supposed to it was the flawed and selfish human that “killed” his son...at least that’s how I saw it. Anyway awesome review as usual 😊😊😊

megaman has better robot racism anyways

I have just this minute completed my first run through pf the game. Personally I enjoyed it though I do agree with points about the Pre construction could have been more interesting, like you say there are some elements to character contradiction but I really did enjoy it for the majority of my playthrough. Good vids man.

9:33 (this is where I am when I had this thought) you said two things I can remember off the top of my head that you didn't elaborate what you meant properly (or maybe you actually didn't notice these details) but they establish that the way the touching spreads it is that when the skin rolls back androids share data, do deviancy is like a virus, which is honestly really stupid so i agree with you that it's bad, and it's also shown that androids in some capacity can communicate wirelessly so maybe a deviant can learn to pass the virus wirelessly which IS STUPID, but vocally you just said vaguely that touching and pointing shouldn't work cause the main method up to that point was slowly building emotions which IS WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME. I think it would have been interesting if the rebels had androids resist and say they'd rather stay the way they are than join, and Markus have to either push them or let them be free to choose on their own having fewer numbers, but more loyal numbers. and the second was that they clarified that Hank's son was killed because an android couldn't save him, and the android was only sent to operate cause the surgeon was high on red ice, leaving it... honestly still the android's fault cause I can't imagine the human doing much better if he wasn't high with what they establish the androids can do. In short, you're right to be negative about these aspects, but purely from memory the way you presented why we should be negative is wrong and the game states (quite stupidly) as to why those reasons are countered by the dialogue. I don't disagree I just think you needed to present it better. have a good day sir, I just wanted to be Metta today and criticise the criticism, loving the video so far.

Haven't seen anyone say this but the whole thing about Androids (mainly Connor) entering 'off limit' zones is because they prioritise their orders. In that circumstances, Connor's primary order was to get Hank, and the sign was considered a tertiary order after his secondary order to get the job done. Apart from that little nitpick and a few others others have mentioned, this video is still great.

I think that Hank blamed the androids for his son's death because it was probably easier to cope with for him, then Connor slowly changed his mind over the course of the game, and he decided to come to terms with the human doctor being responsible

Connor and Hank's friendship is my favorite thing about the game

7:01 Actually, that's just character development, dude.

Hank did like you for most of the game actually. He was hoping (or more so his programming hoped) you' show him why he doesn't need to hate androids. When you show him you'd kill someone in seeming cold blood you piss him off for proving androids are cold hearted

I don't know why a lot of people disliked this game, this game is one of my favorite games

You are one harsh Game Reviewer. The reason why I am still subscribed to you. I applaud you good sir. :)

I'm so obsessed with this game. I love Markus and Connor and the acting is fantastic.

While I understand your views on the game and what made it bad. I enjoyed the game for what it is. I've never been one to pick a game apart and analyse it's every nuance. I play a game for its fun factor. And I found this game not only fun, but very engaging and thought provoking.

Thanks, but I'll play NieR: Automata for the third time instead.At least that game has something to say.

Kinda feel like people should review it after seeing all endings and possibilities instead of just one playthrough

Bandicoot: become actual-realistic-looking-animal

If I remembet correctly, Caddy said that every Sunday would be a crash video, while Wednesdays would be regular videos, right? And it is wednesday. -my dudes-

i know this is up to opinion, but you have skipped over major points. Hank's hate for androids wasn't just for the plot. An android was hired in place of the doctor of drugs to help his son. The son died in the hands of a robot, and for that, Hank has blame shifted to the androids. Once he develops feelings for Connor and sees through generalisations, Hank understands that his son died from human inadequacy. It makes sense. Plus, the game play where all inanimate objects are shown to be just 'buttons to press' consolidates the fact you are PLAYING A ROBOT believe it or not. It doesn't follow a human mindset.

I think we have almost the same mindset now Caddy. Its kind of terrifying.

I'm just gonna leave this here, Crash Month is only for the Caddicarus show on Sundays lol.

Hey Caddy when June is over could you please do a video on the Incredibles for PS2 to celebrate both the new movie and the new Lego Game that will be releasing next month

I’m still debating getting this because Heavy Rain was really good overall, and I’ve been interested in Detroit since it got announced. Probably just wait for the price to drop though.

I made zee bad game

Ok, but if you make a little more emotional choices in Connor's route, it turns into a damn good buddy cop movie. Like Hank's development into trusting robots makes more sense if Connor doesn't shoot that robot because he sees Connor is actually becoming deviant and sees he's struggling with his identity like that of a human

I enjoyed this much more than Heavy Rain to be honest.

... Only 2 reccomended videos?

9:06 in the Zamski options with Connor, Zamski mentions deviancy can also be spread as a virus from one model who has to another.

4:20 fun fact: you CAN as Markus walk through that door even though Carl says "Markus no... I'm coming with you" and he's NOT a Deviant at this point in the game. 9:16 It wasn't exactly like you say, an Android DID fail to save his son. But yes, through the Doctor being too high to operate he MAY have killed his son indirectly. Which honestly the dude may have just as well failed to save his son too. If a perfect droid couldn't, why would a human is a rebutle I could use there but bleh. And with the Peace March scene, Markus Androids can send data indirectly and you've seen in multiple times through the game. But man is it enough to send the (insert whatever is making androids deviant) thing? If so why not do it more? It's a really neat trick that they don't use often. Any way, getting into rant territory now lol. Still love the game even with it's flaws, and this was a great review.

I feel like youtubers are very harsh on this game for some reason. I think it's great.