Old vs Older: Is $27K of Used German 4x4’s and a Combined 800 HP Better Than a New Subaru Off-Road?

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( www.TFLcar.com ) Our 2004 Volkswagen Touareg has already proven to be a beast of a luxury off-roader with its locking rear differential, remarkable ground clearance and low-range transfer case. The 2012 Porsche Cayenne Turbo, on the other hand, doesn't have all that tech helping it out, but will its more modern systems help it beat its older cousin off-road? We find out!
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@TFLcar 4 года назад

Hey Guys Tommy Here! Due to our editing team working remotely we had a goof slip through. At 1:10 that is the wrong generation Touareg. That is the latest model not sold in the U.S. Our (2012) Cayenne is based on the Second generation Touareg. My apologies, and hope you have a safe and healthy day!

@OverlandTT 4 года назад

Hope you're all safe and well. Blessings from the UK.

@SvetoslavKostadinov 4 года назад

Hey, Tommy, stay safe, and keep making these great videos for the off road enthusiasts. I guess this is the right time for you to plan some comparison videos of Limited slip differential vs torsen differential, also throw some russian offroad vehicles in the mix. Uaz Hunter or Lada Niva vs Wrangler vs Touareg... represe tatives of all parties involved of the WWII... so to speak. ;)

@m-at-the-w142 4 года назад

The Fast Lane Car not sure why you keep saying the wildpeaks aren't as good as the KO2s, the KO2s seemed to have more slips. So far I've noticed nothing but grip in my wildpeak AT3's on my Touareg.

@zonacrs 4 года назад

@@m-at-the-w142 Don't think those were AT3's. Look closer at the tread. Looks more like a Wildpeak all season. I run AT3's on my Tundra and love them.

@m-at-the-w142 4 года назад

NotaBRZ NotaMiata ah, that makes sense. Yes, I really like my WP AT3s so far. Plenty of grip.

@azia97 4 года назад

Breaks my heart that VW strayed away from the original Touareg philosophy of being luxurious bonafide off-roaders. Especially considering how good looking they are now.

@scratchy996 4 года назад

It's all about the demand. No point in developing and building the equipment, if no one ticks the box .

@superrdddego 4 года назад

They were*

@noahmcdaniel4920 4 года назад

I think the first gen face lift was a way cooler looking car

@andraslibal 4 года назад

I think they still look good and now they became affordable. Even with the servicing cost.

@noahmcdaniel4920 4 года назад

Andras Libal best and most affordable Touareg is the 2010. Used. Idk what the new ones in Europe are like but the second gen in US can’t shake a stick at the first gen in terms driving or off road. Not only are the first gens cheap now but the 2010 was the most reliable Touareg that was ever made in the US. Get a fully loaded 2010 touareg with 30k miles on it for like $18k. It’ll last you to 125k miles no problem. Or a standard v6 tdi no rear locker or air suspension with 30k miles for $15k (USD). I got the latter for $14.4k with 38k miles and I am a very happy buyer.

@Amerikanskis 4 года назад

Father son duo is wholesome to watch, was probably a fun day.

@BrianMartin2007 4 года назад

Just got my dream SUV, 2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo with low range and center diff lock. $9,200 out the door even after tax and everything. 118k miles

@MrBigjoe2400 2 года назад

How has the reliability been?

@BrianMartin2007 Год назад

@@MrBigjoe2400 other than catching up on previous owner neglect, it’s been a reliable daily driver for me. It has typical German car headaches if you’re already familiar with German cars. But I wouldn’t rather drive anything else. I bought it 2 1/2 years ago with 118,000 miles on it, and now I have 155,000 miles. I plan to keep this for as long as possible, and also get me one of those V 10 TDI Volkswagen Touaregs lol

@2ndamendmentSam 4 года назад

Great job guys and great video. A part 2 video when the snow melts would be pretty cool.

@hiketochishi9963 4 года назад

Thank you guys for all the videos, it's very informative... I love em please keep posting...

@Ciel7th 4 года назад

I love TFL for this kind of video!! I'll never see this kind of video from other new car reviewers! Really enjoyed the video and keep up the good work fellas!

@ronsmith7880 4 года назад

Nice to see the Toureg again..the Cayenne looks good too..thanks Roman n Tommy for all your hard work at this time.⭐⭐

@keithhellyer4565 4 года назад

Awesome video guys, I own a 2004 Cayenne and with the low range these are surprisingly capable off road yet still a comfortable hwy tourer. A great all rounder.

@mikecooper85 4 года назад

Math with Tommy. The 8 speed is different than the 6 speed, it's 2 gears different. Thanks for the laugh. Love your content guys!

@marcus102361 3 года назад

I bought a 2010 Touareg TDI because of you guys a couple of weeks ago. You two have a unique sense of humor with semi subtle digs that I really appreciate. Thanks for videos....

@sourabhpurohit4140 4 года назад

TFL is my all time favorite channel of all the channels I have subscribed. It's amazing to see you guys still working hard during this time. Stay safe and thank you

@TFLcar 4 года назад

thanks for the kind words!

@daman9780 Год назад

Touareg were way underated....you could get them with a locking rear diff and very rare locking front diffs....air suspension and low and high range transfer case......so underated!

@martlbengalo1322 4 года назад

Love your Touareg videos, guys! 💪 Greetings from Deutschland 🇩🇪

@highbrass7563 4 года назад

Phenomenal video! Big thanks for the upload

@cudabnu 4 года назад

I have an 07 V10TDI with the center and rear lockers, Love it and it does anything I ask of it! Love seeing all your video's with the T-Reg!

@vwmeister 4 года назад

I’m surprised you guys didn’t air down the tires! Great vid - thanks

@jordanpatton1843 4 года назад

Currently have the falken wildpeak AT3 tires on my T2 Touareg. They are great in the mud, ice and snow up here in North Dakota, I have to say they have been better then the KO2’s I had previously.

@takiman1 4 года назад

Thank you for givning is this awesome content.

@bongosock 4 года назад

Love that Touareg!

@AndieBlack13 4 года назад

C'mon guys, a steady pace & momentum is your friend...all this stop-start along a snow-clad grade is the WORST technique to use. You do know maximum traction is needed upon acceleration from a standstill, as opposed to maintaining a velocity, don't you? Newtons First law of motion.

@galant310 4 года назад

Tommy isn't good driving offroad neither is this review any good.

@salsa83 4 года назад

Ya these guys dont know how to 4x4

@shawnhake6115 4 года назад

Nice to see I’m not the only one thinking this, awful off road drivers

@shawnhake6115 4 года назад

D D you’re obviously the idiot. They’re constantly stop/starting. Constantly on and off the power. Making each car loose momentum in different places and having to start from different angles or ruts. I understand what they are trying to do, so why not keep a constant peddle and a low speed and crawl. This will still test the cars ability without momentum. Or are you too thick to understand this being as you instantly went with insults?

@goneoutside1011 3 года назад

Everything they do is on purpose.

@Nissannx2000svg 3 года назад

The sound you hear from the fans on the Ceyenne comes on whenever you turn on the “Off-road mode” I’ve got a 14 GTS and it’s amazing how capable it is.

@_Pet_Tech 4 года назад

This was brilliant! Great for showing how capable these two highly sophisticated German machines are even on snow.

@MichaelJanzen 4 года назад

That little argument at the end when you guys walked off was classic. You should do more funny (not so typical) endings like that.

@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 4 года назад

The mid 2000's was the peak of VW awesomeness! She's all down hill since then!

@ahoar9052 4 года назад

Awesome video, for me your best yet, mind I am biased because they are my two favourite vehicles at the moment. I very much like these comparison videos because they give a very good insight into the different abilities of the trucks. Be brave keep risking damage, I think it's what we want to see, the trucks fully tested.

@Kalamazoom 4 года назад

Hey guys great video, I’d love to see you do this with a Audi A6 allroad C5, with the right tyres they are remarkable! Thanks

@aaronb7996 4 года назад

Had one. Terribly unreliable, but so much fun chipped or with bigger turbos. You're right, they are surprisingly fun off road.

@StewsChannel 3 года назад

Excellent video! I was super impressed by both of the SUV's, I never expected that kind of capability from them. Just imagine what they would go through without that soft slushy packing snow messing up the traction to the point of zero.

@j.b.8767 2 года назад

Great video! Thanks, guys!!

@thesheepman220 4 года назад

Falken wildpeak tyres are far better in the snow than the Goodrich

@RichardVac 4 года назад

Great video, but I want to see more of the ML320, I am hoping you will make one soon

@Dave-ek2jx 4 года назад

Great video! Btw, what made you choose KO2s over Duratracs? KO2s are great tires, but my experiences from living in Northern Michigan have proven duratracs to be moderately superior overall, but MUCH better in the snow.

@CosminDogaru997 4 года назад

7:17 why don't you put underbody protection for both the Touareg and the Cayenne?

@richfarfugnuven6308 4 года назад

$$$, and I think that they are trying to show what they are capable of stock with just better tires. Something anyone could do easily.

@CosminDogaru997 4 года назад

Rich Farfugnuven I agree with you, I just hope they keep on with the mods

@ow-my-achilles1106 4 года назад

Good luck finding underbody protection. Do a hour google for it, see what you get back. All underbody protection is ONE OFF custom made. There's NO mass produced aftermarket. $$$-$$$$ big bucks for custom fabrication. Same goes for a front bumper winch system, is is POSSIBLE, but a lot of effort.

@CosminDogaru997 4 года назад

@@ow-my-achilles1106 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Touareg-Underride-Protection-Steel-2003-2010-Skid-plate/183848626802?fits=Car+Make%3AVW%7CModel%3ATouareg&hash=item2ace3b6a72:g:G24AAOSwPdhdBLxd found it in 5 minutes

@NOWAY-jw3iq 4 года назад

@@CosminDogaru997 lol

@djtrepound2407 4 года назад

The Cayenne surprised me. Wish you guys could do a throwback thursday special with a 03-06 Tahoe and Explorer bone stock. The Z71 verses whatever Ford’s equal spec version doing these tests.

@G4YG 4 года назад

Great vid: you said the Porsche is as good as a GC. I think that’s the vid we need to see! (WK2 summit owner)

@yueibm 4 года назад

I didn't know the 2012 had those 4 little headlight LEDs!

@gavinbaker100 4 года назад

Love your tests. How about taking an inclometer along on these tests so we know exactly how steep the hill, slope whatever it is that you are climbing. Foresters have them display on their system when you push the X mode button.

@fredbergeron7997 4 года назад

Love the German offroaders you guys test!

@ToymakersToolbox 4 года назад

Your experience of the Falken Wildpeak versus the KO2 is very different from mine. The all-weather handling of the Wildpeak make it the go-to AT tire here in Oregon's wet, gloppy, snow on road and off. I think the consumer ratings people like Consumer Reports gave it much higher marks for all around winter weather handling over the old school BFGs.

@Gemini_0815 3 года назад

Hey Tommy, big disadvantage for the Touareg in the tire department - I run the KO2 in my Landcruiser and would never ever run them in winter. It must be said though that they are very pressure sensitive - run them on lower pressure to improve cold weather grip

@johnmunch4738 4 года назад

Love the comps. Those vehicles seem to be much more capable than their reputations would seemingly let on. They seem to have a lot in common with the modern day Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (aside from the air suspension).

@OldWurlitzerMusic 4 года назад

very cool vlog , i have the 2006 v6 3.2 touareg with air susp full locking center / back , it also has in the navi system a altitude map and compass sea level display , i think also the touareg did the first pass witch chewed up the snow for the cayenne to make its pass easier

@hiketochishi9963 4 года назад

I wish you do crazy offroad review with gwagon with proper offroad tyres

@brandonwright6578 4 года назад

Hiketo Chishi you spelled tires with a Y lol 😂 smh 🤦🏾‍♂️.

@richfarfugnuven6308 4 года назад

G-Wagen squared...

@temur72 4 года назад

@@brandonwright6578 That is UK English spelling

@brandonwright6578 4 года назад

john cooper didn’t realize it was that different lol 😂

@SDav21 4 года назад

@@brandonwright6578 it is the correct way to spell it because it is well... ENGLISH.

@CETGRG 2 года назад

EXCELLENT TEST GUYS THANKS FOR THIS !!! MUCH APPRECIATED .

@rubenmaranges4327 4 года назад

Pls let us know when either vehicle would be available for sale ! Great content! 👍

@OniMetsuki 4 года назад

I remember years back (I felt so young and fresh out of Uni back then! ) when the Touareg 1st launched. The idea of the V10 sounded like a monster! I didn't realise just how heavy it was though! Today though I will be looking forward to seeing the Cybertruck being tested by you guys

@MohCars_ 4 года назад

My last cayenne, a 2014 base had the center differential lock standard. Only the rear diff was an option. But even so, I was one of the few first owners that took it offroad (in the pinebarrens, nj) and it did super well in like sand, mud, large puddles. No problem. It’s sooo underrated as an offroader. Rock crawling is not it’s strongest suit tho. Only a matter of time before I take my 2020 cayenne offroad :)

@SDav21 4 года назад

Hahaha. I laughed so much at 11:05 when Tommy said it sound like the titanic. 😂

@BlakeParker15 4 года назад

It really did though! Lol 🤣

@Edwardor161 4 года назад

I just want to comment to you guys that I have enjoyed watching so many videos and I have been taking a lot of notes and constantly learning about every vehicle you take off road or on hwy roads with Attention to detail and it made me think on what final decision for a future purchasing a vehicle for myself as I live here in ken Carly Colorado

@dimiper9393 3 года назад

Great side-by-side comparison!!!

@MarkVinewood 4 года назад

Would definitely want to see those two again, and the Cayenne in general, once the snow melts.

@leesonneville1817 3 года назад

15:40 those Wildpeaks are better than KO2s in the snow. Very underrated tire. Much better on wet tarmac and ice as well.

@nathankestin1922 4 года назад

You can always count on Roman to ask Tommy if the rear diff is locked🙂

@jerrymyahzcat 4 года назад

Nathan Kestin yeah and you don’t need to lock the rear diff all the bloody time either. Let the car do it’s thing.

@alexkostenyuk 4 года назад

Great video , I really like first generation cayenne but this one looks good too

@rigom.2853 4 года назад

Definitely did not give enough credit to the falken wildpeaks on the cayenne. More and more people are trying out the wildpeaks and liking them better than the ko2s. Idk ko2s are good but kind of overated in my opinion. Wildpeaks are cheaper and just as good if not better than ko2s.

@m-at-the-w142 4 года назад

Agreed. After reading some reviews of the KO2s I went with the WildPeak AT3's. EXCELLENT grip in all weather conditions so far.

@braddenr.4778 4 года назад

Rigo M. The Wild peaks just don’t have the tread I like. My area gets mighty muddy especially around my farm, and I have ko2’s on all of my Silverados and my dodge. They never get stuck or struggle too much. BfGoodrich has always been my go to when buying tires. Yeah they can get pricey but you can’t beat the wear rate for them👍🏻

@braddenr.4778 4 года назад

69 Bronco guy! Hey I’ve wondered about the Goodyear wrangler duratracs. How do you like them? I’ve thought about them as an alternative but I don’t know anything about them, as in tread wear, road noise and such.

@braddenr.4778 4 года назад

69 Bronco guy! Yeah thank you man for taking the time to do that. I think I’ll give the duratracs a shot on my Silverado. Stay safe as well :)

@aaronb7996 4 года назад

Family member has K02s, I have Wikdpeaks. The K02s are a bit stronger, but the Wildpeaks are better in rain and Ice. Both are hood in deep snow. Both will get you up a mountain. That's all the review you need.

@paulharden9900 4 года назад

It’s a shame that the later Touareg lost any off-road ability with no low range or locking diffs.

@FPVForLife 11 месяцев назад

They just had to accept that they were primarily used for school runs, shopping and just sitting up high.

@MrSmashofficial 4 года назад

My favorite series

@BassMunn 4 года назад

To me the nicest version of the Touareg was the 2011/2012 version that could be bought in South Africa and Australia, standard it had 4Motion but could be up-spec'd to 4XMotion which had centre and rear diff-lock, low range and air suspension with a 3.0 V6 TDi

@Alex.AL_26 4 года назад

Great Video, It would very cool to see an offload video with a WK Jeep Grand Cherokee (2005-2010) those are usually underrated in terms of off road capability.

@Mortisioner 3 года назад

Love watching you guys. Started watching you guys a couple years ago when I was still in Nebraska and a year ago I moved to the Denver area. I was lucky enough to be able to get a refuge 2011 diesel gate Touareg TDI a year ago also so I really like the videos of your 04 Touareg. I think it would be cool to see you guys do a comparison between the 1st Gen and 2nd Gen Touareg.

@RCPhotosVideos 4 года назад

Cayenne went straight up the first obstacle because it carries more speed with out the low gear, also different wheel base places the tires in different spots.

@psewgobind 4 года назад

Would be interesting to see how a 2020 Rav4 TRD off-road with bigger tires does. I suspect it'll be another poke at Subaru.

@15president15 4 года назад

what was the tire pressure on the Touareg? seemed like 50 psi plus... Every time we get out in the snow we air down to 20-30 psi.

@bmddlton 4 года назад

I’m still waiting for you to get a V10 Touareg. Do all the stuff that V10 owners like myself were too scared to do!

@MrLundefaret 4 года назад

Do you have a V10? How has it been for maintenance? What is the changes you havent dared to do? I work for a Norwegian car magazine, and we are wondering about doing an SUV project car, and the V10 is on our radar.

@bmddlton 4 года назад

MrLundefaret I have owned a 2007 V10 Touareg and it needed a right tandem pump seal which no one wanted to replace and the dealership didn’t even want to work on it. I ended up doing it myself WITHOUT engine removal and other than the tandem pump it seemed pretty solid. It was a one owner 134,000 miles when I bought it from a dealership and I’m sure the reason the first owner gave it up was the tandem pump repair. It would be a great project car and the unique sound of the V10 diesel is worth it alone!

@FEGTTTSDH 3 года назад

The v10 is a nightmare, the 3.2 or the TDI V6 are more secure options.

@Ericsaidful 3 года назад

You know, my dad and my thing growing up was going to football games (HS, College, and NFL). That was fun but we never were paid to do it (obviously). You all at TFL are quite lucky to blend your hobby into a paying gig.

@stopper20 3 года назад

You guys should put this vw up against the crosstrek so people can see the comparison off road. Finding one of these vw’ is rare but crosstreks are all over the place :)

@nilsjohansson9739 4 года назад

I bought Fallen Wilpeak AT3w tires and they are amazing in the snow and rocks at elevation. I think they are overlooking those tires a bit.

@haydne 4 года назад

I enjoyed this, and so did my 2007 V6 diesel Touareg. I've never gone off road with it and never used the off road settings button. I have BF Goodrich urban terrain tyres on it which do have a little more aggressive tread than basic road tyres BUT I do feel it's pretty capable, but obviously not a Land rover! So driving through country lanes with mud and water it performs well. It's not my choice for an off road vehicle but it does ok.

@jainervargas3545 4 года назад

Great video guys! Greetings from Costa Rica. I have a question for you. How long does it takes to your Touareg to reach off road height and extra height? Mine takes about 3 minutes just to reach off road height. I believe is much time, don't you think so?

@billturner1960 3 года назад

Howdy guys! Really enjoy and appreciate your vids!! Have gained alot of insight I wouldn't normally have had access to. GREAT JOB!! Say, was wondering if you have a feeling for resale value/s regarding Porsche versus Volkswagen SUV's,,, say as in this video, the Cayenne as opposed to the Toureg. My assumption is the Porsche would hold its head up higher when it comes to selling but that could be influenced significantly by the local market being sold, (or bought), in. Please keep up the stellar work and I hope your channel develops and evolves into all it can be. Thank you again and very kind regards from Alaska. 😎👍

@elsletten 4 года назад

Great series but still think you're incorrect about the locking rear on the Cayenne. Mine has it and when looking, I saw a lot of them with it. Not as a separate option but as part of different packages.

@elsletten 4 года назад

After a little digging, it appears that a locking rear is part of PTV (Porsche Torque Vectoring) which is not a rare option. Like everything else Porsche though, I assume you could get it without PTV but with a locking rear, which would probably be rare and could be what you have.

@wilsonleonlaw77 4 года назад

Love this i have a 2012 tdi touareg, i take it off roading all the time

@CTAjunior 3 года назад

What tires do you have ?

@wilsonleonlaw77 3 года назад

@@CTAjunior Bridgestone duller, not to crazy. I mostly stick to trails and a little bit of mud. Got a kerma tdi tune on it. Highly recommend it.

@djuell01 4 года назад

I wish I could go out there and have fun driving with you guys! You've been lucky with that VW maintenance so far.

@buckkylem 3 года назад

These guys are total dorks in an endearing way. Love it. Picked up my $1500 200k mile salvage title cayenne last week to get lifted and beat the bejesus out of. Cant wait!

@bradglover6677 4 года назад

What sized tyres did you put on the 17’s on the Touareg?

@yueibm 4 года назад

There's a pretty good CarPlay kit for the 2012 Cayenne. I can talk you guys through it (or at least how I installed mine) if you're keeping the car / doing a video on in car tech upgrades.

@bwfrench2616 4 года назад

I'd like to see them compare the 4motion haladex in a 2011 Touareg, no locks, vs the 05 toureg they already have..a true old vs new

@ErikTaraldsen 4 года назад

Please redo the razer rocks when the snow has cleared. :) And bring the ML as well.

@jbgulfport1 4 года назад

I have the exact same year and color Touareg. Only problems is that the door get stick and won’t open at time.

@ickna2002 4 года назад

So from what I was seeing for the steps is that maybe the longer wheel base was hurting the Touareg a bit. It was hitting the second step with front tires as the rear tires where hitting the first step. The Cayenne was short enough that it was not hitting the second step with the front tires at the same time the rears where hitting the first step so it only had to get up one step at a time while the Touareg had to get up both at the same time. IDK tho. Great video.

@rubenmaranges4327 4 года назад

Would the tourreg or cayenne would be let go from your inventory of test cars

@rochesteriv1670 4 года назад

Hey look i may just be blind but may i suggest in future you air down your tires as that can largely benefit the traction you will have whilst off-roading.

@hoaniwitana9759 3 года назад

I wonder if lowering tyre pressure would help?

@willba4 4 года назад

amazing the differece tyres make @15:30. KO2's are decent in snow, but i guess the falkens are just better

@greyphantome2617 3 года назад

Can you guys do a thorough review of the cayenne 9YB or 9YA base model ?

@gavinbaker100 4 года назад

Like to see comparison of current Forester and current RAV4 Adventure AT tyres up against whatever they will take and see which goes furthest. CVT v 8 speed Auto.

@antoinesendelbach7545 4 года назад

What exact Tires do you have? Are these the KO2 265/65R17 ? Thanks :)

@One_Bar 4 года назад

Not to mention the Toureg has like 4 mufflers to keep it quiet...

@YTM965 3 года назад

The picture you showed to represent the 2nd generation Tourag is actually the 3rd generation Tourag

@bendavis6846 2 года назад

What tire pressures were these at during the tests?

@michaeldobson8859 2 года назад

Snow especially melting snow is like adding oil under the tires. Anything can get stuck.

@Wawalsh1234 4 года назад

It is amazing to me that people that live in an area that experiences significant snowfall yearly, cannot drive in the snow.

@fartman10284 4 года назад

Offroad driving in the snow is a lot different than driving in the snow on asphalt, especially when you don't know where the craters are off road, because it's covered under snow, until someone blazes a path. You'd be surprised about how many people in Colorado end up in the ditch when it snows.

@OverlandTT 4 года назад

I'd love to have seen this with a Wrangler following/between the VW and Cayenne

@jackrotter9434 4 года назад

69 Bronco guy! Lockers don’t always get you over an obstacle, you should really only use them as a last resort if you can’t make it up on your own. It’s really about the driver and the line. I’d take a stock sport wrangler with good tires over both of these 10/10 times offroad. The thing is, the wrangler has ‘actual’ 4wd, not a sophisticated ‘AWD’

@catchme_ifyoucan8317 4 года назад

Lol it won’t make it jeeps are overrated I should know I have all 3 the Porsche is fast but sucks off road the REG is just a monster on any terrain and the wrangler is about to be traded in for a v70R

@jackrotter9434 4 года назад

@@catchme_ifyoucan8317 Well we have two Jeep wrangler sports, a '98 and a '15. No lockers, nothing fancy. Just good tires and small lifts. We've gone over things in rain and hail storms that the average noob would want lockers for. So no, they are not overrated. In fact I believe the Sport and Sahara are under-rated, every one wants the Rubicon but they don't understand how a capable a stock jeep is(with good tires). It's 80% about how good the driver is, what line is taken, tire choice, and some balls. Have fun in your V70, I am a fan of those.

@jackrotter9434 4 года назад

@@shitloveaduck Ok bronco boy.

@jackrotter9434 4 года назад

@@shitloveaduck You sure do like to assume things, don't you sir? I am not 12, but your wonderful work truck story tells me you are at least 50-60+. Tell me, do you do much off-roading? Ever been to Moab, Telluride/Ouray, anywhere in Colorado with a 4x4 trail? Well I have, and I can tell you from experience, a Jeep is a Jeep. And that said, It's a hell of a lot more capable than you think. Lockers WILL get you farther, but they aren't an absolute must.

@dailylife3975 4 года назад

U need momentum when your in slippery snow unless you air down alot

@thebeast9606 4 года назад

You guys should run Falken Wildpeak A/T3W’s instead of BFG’s. They are significantly better tires, especially in the snow.

@ryanthomastew 2 года назад

What PSI were you guys running on them tires? Looks a little firm.

@ryanfay1 3 года назад

I owned the Touareg and not having the rear diff lock or air was a let down considering how expensive repairs can get and it’s really not worth it to fix it. However, the air ride may be very expensive to maintain, as I heard, but pretty reliable.