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Oldest Records of Indo-European Languages 

Erik Carlson
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Corrigenda:
1. Linear B, the written form of Mycenaean (which was Ancient Greek to the Ancient Greeks) ought to be included in this video. The oldest records survive on clay tablets that were baked by structure fires c. 1200 BC. Here's a link to an image of a catalogue of vessels from the palace at Pylos: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...
2. At 2:29, I should have said that Hittite was translated around 1915.
3. At 4:50, I misspoke about Sanskrit grammarians: Certainly c. 500 BC, grammarians were commenting on texts that were ancient to them. In my view, a "text" may be written or oral.
Thanks to the viewers who pointed out these errors--you can see their comments below.

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@allyburnett7189
@allyburnett7189 3 месяца назад
Re: Vedas being "a really old text from 1500BC' - they aren't. The Vedas weren't written down until around 100BC - they were composed as a work of oral tradition around 1500BC. That's not to diminish the Vedas importance in any way, the manner in which they were (and continue to be) orally transitted is simply remarkable, with an astonishingly high degree of accuracy over millenia. In many respects we have a better understanding of early Vedic Sanskrit than any other early Indo-European language but it's simply incorrect to refer to them as a text from 1500BC.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад
I agree, it is very important to distinguish text/writings from the oral tradition, however well and accurately handed down we might believe the words of the oral stories to be. Personally, I am very doubtful that over a thousand years of oral tradition preserved the original words and meanings exactly, however strict the priesthood were about preserving it.
@tvesarathavrtraghna3688
@tvesarathavrtraghna3688 3 месяца назад
Oldest physical text of rigveda dates from 1200 CE (not BCE) Thats 800 years ago. Not 100bc
@allyburnett7189
@allyburnett7189 3 месяца назад
@@tvesarathavrtraghna3688 the oldest surviving manuscript is circa 1200CE but there's reasonably wide scholarly consensus that it would have first been written down around the turn of of the first millenia
@tvesarathavrtraghna3688
@tvesarathavrtraghna3688 3 месяца назад
@allyburnett7189 show me who said this. We didn't even have the proper script to write them down prior to the devanagari script.
@Cipricus
@Cipricus 3 месяца назад
So, you’re not convinced by the argument in support of the claim at 4:42?
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 3 месяца назад
Written Greek is attested long before Latin is - Mycenean/Minoan Linear B. Yes, it uses a a non-Greek script, but the language written in it is the oldest known form of Greek, ca 1400BCE. Ancient Greek is an extremely important language and shouldn’t be ignored. Even in today’s English, we use as much of Greek in our vocabulary as we do Germanic (Anglo-Saxon), as do many other languages.
@someinteresting
@someinteresting 2 месяца назад
The quality of the video is rather low, indeed.
@kanaka228
@kanaka228 2 месяца назад
Greeks learnt from the Phoenix Ian's. They were the panic of India who left India went across the world. Made many monuments never could they find a home of their own. Very wicked. In india they were called asuras.
@MultiSpeedMetal
@MultiSpeedMetal Месяц назад
@@kanaka228 Greeks weren't anymore wicked than anyone else. The Greek philosophers were unparalleled in their time.
@FutureHH
@FutureHH 22 дня назад
isn't minoan pre-greek?
@MultiSpeedMetal
@MultiSpeedMetal 22 дня назад
@@FutureHH Linear B as far as I know was used by early Greeks using a modified Linear A script that was used by the Minoans. The Minoans influenced early Greek civilization. Minoan is indeed pre-Greek and pre-indo-european.
@cicerotobias
@cicerotobias 3 месяца назад
Great video! Just wish the audio was louder.
@ShamanKish
@ShamanKish 3 месяца назад
Because he is lowering voice, which should never be done.
@ScarabaeusSacer435
@ScarabaeusSacer435 3 месяца назад
My ancestors heard the next video I played after this one.
@schubi42
@schubi42 2 месяца назад
y'all need to get your hearing checked
@astrOtuba
@astrOtuba Месяц назад
​@@ShamanKish the audio can be made louder in post
@astrOtuba
@astrOtuba Месяц назад
​@@schubi42 she loudness also depends on the hardware you're using and the level of noise in the place where you're listen the video
@DemetriosKongas
@DemetriosKongas 3 месяца назад
You forgot linear B, which dated from 1200 BC and it has been deciphered as archaic Greek.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад
Did I miss a mention of Luwian from 1400 BC?
@DemetriosKongas
@DemetriosKongas 3 месяца назад
@@pattheplanter Yes, you did. It seems you have messed things up!
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад
@@DemetriosKongas Timestamp?
@DemetriosKongas
@DemetriosKongas 3 месяца назад
@@pattheplanter Historical time, among other things, helps put things into perspective.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад
@@DemetriosKongasRight, you are just messing about in a language you hardly understand.
@mukan9
@mukan9 3 месяца назад
There is a probability that first indo-european inscription was written by West Anatolian Luwian speaking Arzawa state. Because Luwians came to Anatolia before Hitites around 2.300 BC. They would probably communicated with Minoans and Egyptians with clay tablets. Arzawa tablet archieve still couldn’t found.
@gerryjamesedwards1227
@gerryjamesedwards1227 3 месяца назад
Very interesting presentation, Mr Carlson. I'm going to guess that there was a Proto-Dane whose wife got fed up of him using her hair comb on his beard.
@TeutobergForestryService
@TeutobergForestryService 3 месяца назад
The script in the avestan document is just beautiful.
@AustinSauce3
@AustinSauce3 3 месяца назад
Excellent video Mr Carlson, thank you!
@garethjones2596
@garethjones2596 3 месяца назад
Hrozny's decipherment of Hittite was published in 1915; the classical Sanskrit grammar of Panini is probably 5th century BC; Pantanjali who quotes him is 3rd century BC
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад
It will always be guesswork but I have seen reasonable arguments made for Panini being active around 350 BC; Pantanjali around 150 BC.
@seeingimages
@seeingimages 2 месяца назад
Horrible sound quality. Get some decent equipment. Learn how to use it correctly. The volume is much too low. And please stop mumbling.
@whukriede
@whukriede 2 месяца назад
Huch, the audio is excellent! You may want to check your equipment?
@levilivengood4522
@levilivengood4522 3 месяца назад
what about the negau helmet inscriptions?
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 3 месяца назад
The volume is way too low, even on max volume on my loudspeaker, and your voice sounds muffled, like you’re speaking through a piece of cloth. If you have one of those buffering things on your microphone, maybe try removing it for future videos, and speak much closer to the mic, too. Good content, just can’t hear you very well.
@schubi42
@schubi42 2 месяца назад
can't confirm, sounds fine to me
@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands
@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands 3 месяца назад
Hittite, Greek linear , Sanskrit, Gothic, Latin..
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton 3 месяца назад
A funny word for the Danish comb, marked as “Harja” was probably borrowed at some point to Finnish. In Finnish the same word means a brush (for sweeping), but also the hair of a horse or a pig, supposedly the brushes being made from the two natural materials.
@MiNi-nn7zi
@MiNi-nn7zi 2 месяца назад
Nice artifact. Finnish kampa 'Comb' was loaned from Proto-Germanic '*kambaz' or some of it's immediate descendant languages -> 'Camb', 'comb' etc. Similar, ancient Proto-Germanic loans to Proto-Finnic: - keihäs ('spear', 'javelin') as ''*kaihas' to PF from PG *gaizaz - lammas ('sheep', 'lamb') from PG *lambaz Also, Finnish Hammas ('tooth'): PF '*hambas' is ancient loan from Proto-Balto-Slavic '*źámbas', from Proto-Indo-European '*ǵómbʰos'. That PIE word means 'tooth' and is direct cognate predecessor of 'comb'. Kampa -> 'tooth/teeth used to brush hair'. Many, many really ancient loan words from Indo-European languages remain pretty close to their original loan form in contemporary Finnish. One of best known examples is PF (and contemporary) kuningas ('king'), originally from PG '*kuningaz'. In contemporary Germanic languages it appears as king, kung, könig etc. Finnish 'kunkku' displays analogical shortening what has happened in Germanic languages. Even Finnish äiti 'mother' is ancient loan from Germanic languages, something that tells a story of prolonged, intimate, and peaceful contacts between languages of entirely different language families. Such words of close family relations are typically last ones to get loaned from other languages. Finnish, The freezer language it is. For Proto-Germanic particularly.
@standingbear998
@standingbear998 2 месяца назад
people were certainly not making pottery before they could speak? the first person to speak did not put it on pottery that day. so speaking is far older than pottery therefore this assumption that this is the first record is nonsense. maybe the oldest we have found that's all, don't make baseless declarations.
@samuelleandro2275
@samuelleandro2275 2 месяца назад
Speaking is different from writing.
@jzsfvss
@jzsfvss 2 месяца назад
Quite uninteresting without quotes from their translations. Plus, who is the presenter? Background / profession / motive?
@dp6003
@dp6003 Месяц назад
What are you talking about
@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands
@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands Месяц назад
Tocharian must be in North - West China actually
@williammurphy9641
@williammurphy9641 3 дня назад
Yes, and much later in time.
@patmorris9692
@patmorris9692 2 месяца назад
Oldest language still spoken continuously without interruption by its native speakers is Greek. All other « old » languages with documented history are dead. Latin: dead. Sanskrit: dead. Hebrew: dead but artificially revived. Egyptian: dead. As far as other old languages still spoken, their documented histories are dwarfed by that of Greek.
@y11971alex
@y11971alex 2 месяца назад
Wikipedia says Sanskrit has first language speakers 😅
@greaterbharat4175
@greaterbharat4175 2 месяца назад
Sanskrit is not dead its minority language now Still their is active news paper, news media of sankrit Village known as mattur all people in their speak sankrit
@BurnBird1
@BurnBird1 2 месяца назад
Latin isn't dead, it just diverged into multiple different languages. Had only a single branch survived, it would have still been called Latin.
@kastriotelaago7158
@kastriotelaago7158 2 месяца назад
😂😂why people still saying indoeuropian come from Ukrain no no we albanians are autokton our ancestors are pelagic
@Saraswathiputra
@Saraswathiputra 2 месяца назад
Aryans are in Arya Vartham which is Northern India, continuously living atlest 10,000 years or more which is damn damn sure as per all very recent archeological discoveries! The age of Rigvedic texs and elaborate details confirm the migration of Aryans from ancient Bharat aka India/ As saraswathi river discovery pushed age of Rigveda more than 6000 years ago! All root word meaning for Aryans exist only in Rigveda! If Rigvedic text was not there, Europeans would not have known that they desceneded from ancient Aryans! The root word AR in the Aryan word meaning, onw who ploughs the land for irrigation! Aryans are founders of farming and cultivation and as such founders of Human civilization! Those western liars still try their best to fool the world that ccivilization and cultivation was from middle east desert!
@BurnBird1
@BurnBird1 2 месяца назад
The outright horrendous quality of Indian education wouldn't be that scary if there weren't 1 billion of you.
@manh9105
@manh9105 2 месяца назад
There is. no common Indo-European language. The Indo European is a myth created by Europeans. There is one Indian language Sanskrit which is the mother of languages in India and regions around it. Whatever commonality people see is due to people using sanskrit as lingua franka in olden days.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 месяца назад
Another imperialising myth, this time for those North Indians who lay claim to the whole of India. Sanskrit was not the "mother" of the Dravidian or the Munda languages which the indigenous people of the subcontinent speak, let alone those of the "regions around it." At most it was their wicked step-mother.
@olelarsen7688
@olelarsen7688 3 месяца назад
Proto indo-european is just the language of the white race during the ice age. 4/5 of the indo-european language branches is in Europe. That is where the language is oldest.
@erikcarlson9250
@erikcarlson9250 3 месяца назад
There are many Indo-European languages in Europe and the language family may have arisen in southeastern Europe. Race is an irrelevant category. Conflating linguistic history and genetics is dangerous business. My commute follows parts of the Trail of Tears, a daily reminder that ethnicity and language are not the same thing, and that the violence of racism is real and has enduring consequences. The unfounded notion that Proto-Indo-European represents some kind of special European identity has no currency in the field of historical linguistics: the immense damage this idea has done must never be forgotten, and we all have a duty to reject this claim whenever we encounter it.
@brianarotten2962
@brianarotten2962 3 месяца назад
@@erikcarlson9250 Well said Sir. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@olelarsen7688
@olelarsen7688 3 месяца назад
If you go back in time greater parts of the land spoke the same language. In the viking age all scandinavians spoke the same language, in the bronce age all north west europeans spoke the same language (Don't know how I know, but I do). At some time all of Europe spoke the same language. It must have been really long ago because the differences in european languages are very big.@@thomasnoaotearoa
@Nutsferatu
@Nutsferatu 3 месяца назад
​@@thomasnoaotearoaUralics are in no way pre Indo European.
@Nutsferatu
@Nutsferatu 3 месяца назад
@@thomasnoaotearoa Uralic is not indigenous to Northern Europe at all. My understanding is the timeline goes like this. The first inhabitants were Scandinavian hunter gatherers. Who were a mixture of western hunter gatherers from the south and eastern hunter gatherers from the north. They were not Uralic people's at all as they lacked the Uralic identified N1c haplogroup and had no Asian autosomal DNA. Then the Anatolian farmers (Not Uralic) show up in southern Scandinavia and coexist with the hunter gatherers to their north. Soon after Indo Europeans of the corded ware culture show up probably speaking a form of pre proto Germanic. They spread throughout the whole of Scandinavia including the areas of Finland and over time gradually assimilate the hunter gatherers and farmer's. Then a Sami like reindeer herders migrate into northern Scandinavia by way of Siberia and coexist with Indo European peoples and probably assimilate some of these Indo European DNA into their very much wholly Asian genetic profile. Finally Finnic speaking people's show up not too long after. They arrived very much genetically European like after absorbing Indo Iranian and Balto Slavic people's on their long migration from Siberia. The Finnic people's then proceed to assimilate the remaining Indo Europeans (most probably Germanic) in Finland and consolidate into modern day Finnish people. They are genetically very much European, but with low single digit Asian dna. The Finnish are typified by their majority (N1c) Asian male originated haplogroup that came from China. If Indo European is not indigenous to Scandinavia, then Uralic is DEFINITELY not.
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