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Olympian Caster Semenya loses appeal over testosterone levels 

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There is growing backlash over a landmark ruling against Olympic gold medalist Caster Semenya. Athletics governing body IAAF ruled Wednesday that Semanya must take medication to reduce her unusually high testosterone level if she wants to compete. The court called its decision on the South African runner "acceptable discrimination." Debora Patta reports.
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@phantommenace4825
@phantommenace4825 5 лет назад
Strange how none of the so called sympathizers are track n field athletes.
@idive5358
@idive5358 4 года назад
I am. you are wrong I guess
@hzjohnson1632
@hzjohnson1632 3 года назад
Thank you for speaking for everyone. I'm a track and field athlete and this's completely ridiculous. If we want to determine who competes by determining the level of their testosterone, then gender-divided sports should no longer exist. Men with unusually low testosterone levels should be able to compete in women's sports as well, or use drugs to up their game. She was a born a female. She deserves her rights as well. Complaining that someone is more capable during a competition due to the way they were born makes no sense. She had no control over it. Forcing her to change herself is pathetic.
@sld1776
@sld1776 5 лет назад
"Growing backlash", "growing support", the token critic has been 'vocal', and Semenya has been 'dignified'--that's not journalism, that's editorializing.
@JMARTIN1947
@JMARTIN1947 3 года назад
That's propaganda.
@stevenjm12
@stevenjm12 5 лет назад
That Michael Phelps argument is horse feathers.
@tonysam1955
@tonysam1955 5 лет назад
Of course it is. Women are not competitive against males. That is just simple fact and why sports are sex-segregated. It all has to do not with reproductive organs but with the differences of aerobic fitness. You can say men in general have bigger engines and they work more efficiently than women's.
@lumos3012
@lumos3012 5 лет назад
No it isnt, phelps creates less lactic acid and has double jointed ankles, both of which give him a comparable advantage over others.
@yangakizza156
@yangakizza156 5 лет назад
Only because you dont understand the parallels being inferred - go back and read with comprehension.
@tonyshortland8812
@tonyshortland8812 3 года назад
The ruling should be, not allowing XY cromasome athletes in woman's events.
@thesoccertrotter1
@thesoccertrotter1 5 лет назад
They are only applying the rule to females with xy chromosones...Track is taking a stand on the chromosonal level to split the two classes, as this was a gray area. These women are just missing the point that physical competition needs to be segregated on physical attributes like sex (xx or xy). The IAAF is not considering gender at all, so If you want to compete in sport, get ready to be judged and tested to figure out if you can compete. The gray area will constantly be challenged and better defined as people use drugs and other methods to gain advantages. Obviously for the longest time sport didn't need to separate sex and gender , but now they see the need to do so, and I 💯 agree with their decision, xx and xy should be the classes we use to describe them.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
There is NO such thing as a "female" with XY chromosomes. XY is male. This was never a "gray" area but has been politicized thanks to the trans crowd. Semenya is a FRAUD who knowingly committed fraud for YEARS because he could not compete against males. He wasn't good enough, so he, like so many cheaters, decided to do the "easy" thing and steal from women. He, his connections, the IOC, and most of the media have long known he was and is a fraud. The key to his fraud was not releasing his medical records a decade ago. He was afraid of exposure. His alleged DSD is completely irrelevant to the fact he is XY, a male, a MAN. This is why the IOC and other athletic outfits HAVE to return to chromosome tests in order to weed out cheaters like Semenya. There is no right to elite athletic competition. NO y-chromosome athletes should EVER be allowed in women's sports. NO exceptions because they are MEN.
@The-Man-Right-Chea
@The-Man-Right-Chea 4 года назад
Why is the testosterone level on apply to certain races? The testosterone test should apply to all female events. So I don't like the bias on how test is being targeted
@youtubestreetz4201
@youtubestreetz4201 2 года назад
It is applied to all events!! The top three placements are automatically tested
@pantethine66
@pantethine66 5 лет назад
The ruling his about protecting women sports
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Chromosome testing needs to be brought back to weed out the male cheaters and the testosterone nonsense largely abandoned.
@dwayneoneil689
@dwayneoneil689 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue Agreed Semanya is a man
@KoketsoR7
@KoketsoR7 5 лет назад
@@dwayneoneil689 so is your mother
@jacksonrobert8893
@jacksonrobert8893 3 года назад
Caster semenya was born with a vagina though
@vcb1023
@vcb1023 3 года назад
The ruling is about discrimination. This does not apply to any male athletes. They ban performance enhancing drugs but accept performance reducing drugs? She is NOT transgender- she's a naturally born female with a vagina. How is this protecting women's sports when this woman is being denied protection in women's sports?
@hubert19831
@hubert19831 5 лет назад
Let's be fair, she has an upper hand period. Even those supporting her knows.
@seanlally7384
@seanlally7384 3 года назад
Did I wake up on mars? There is no controversy here because Caster is obviously a dude posing as a woman.
@thymenvuik8357
@thymenvuik8357 5 лет назад
I would like to be a top basketballer and i train a lot, but my legs are too short, every basketballer that is taller than me should get their legs shortened
@jameshaney171
@jameshaney171 5 лет назад
Don't let your short legs stop you. For example, Jose Altuve is the shortest guy that plays professional MLB or Major League baseball, but his height has no effect on him being one of the best hitters and defensive players in the MLB. His World Series trophies prove the fact that short legs are in no ways a hindrance to greatness. Therefore, it is up to the individual to use to the best of their abilities their God given talents. Caster Semenya exemplifies this by her hard work and using to maximum advantage her blessings. Without her putting in the hard work, it doesn't matter whether she has high testosterone. Without the hard work, she would not be on the world stage as she is now.
@nikolamadunic4691
@nikolamadunic4691 5 лет назад
Two words muggsy bogues
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Not a valid analogy. Semenya is a MAN.
@yvettebest1397
@yvettebest1397 5 лет назад
Thymen Vuik, that is the language that they should be speaking also. Amputate the legs of all basketballers that are taller than the average man.
@charityfields3075
@charityfields3075 3 года назад
@blayzertrayl lol that cracks me up
@thomasmckenzie4584
@thomasmckenzie4584 3 года назад
How can you compare Semenya to Michael Phelps? PHELPS RACES AGAINST MEN!!!! He has balls! Semenya has balls!!! End of story.
@hzjohnson1632
@hzjohnson1632 3 года назад
As if doctors haven't already determined she was born a female and still is 😂😂🤦‍♀️
@Sky-ib5ww
@Sky-ib5ww 3 года назад
@@hzjohnson1632 Doctors determined that he has XY chromosomes. He also has internal testicles that didn't drop. You know that right? He is a man.
@vanessagordon1343
@vanessagordon1343 3 года назад
@@Sky-ib5ww She was born a girl, she did not choose to be that way. Why are ppl so mean.
@idive5358
@idive5358 5 лет назад
The IAAF basically is putting the women standards below the men's. That's insulting.
@nazyishmael8572
@nazyishmael8572 4 года назад
That's natural.
@811bbaxter
@811bbaxter 5 лет назад
The only question that needs to be asked is, was she born a man or born a woman?
@West_87
@West_87 5 лет назад
She is a woman, but she has intersex characteristics.
@forgive7449
@forgive7449 5 лет назад
@@West_87 a woman with no womb ? 😕
@xxsnowninja2896
@xxsnowninja2896 5 лет назад
a women, just with higher testosterone. She cannot help the way she was born.
@foreverolly8864
@foreverolly8864 4 года назад
She has XY chromosomes
@johndesper9425
@johndesper9425 4 года назад
She was born a man, with XY chromosomes, but due to a lack of apparent male genitals, was unscientifically deemed to be "female". They have now been determined to be a man by the IAAF, with undescended testicles producing exorbtitantly high doses of the male sex hormone testosterone.
@idive5358
@idive5358 5 лет назад
IAAF: "ooh this woman is running way too much, she must be a man". No sense.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 4 года назад
He is a man. Please be honest. He is XY, which means he is MALE, a MAN. Having or not having DSD is completely irrelevant to the fact he has a Y chromosome.
@griffnull8371
@griffnull8371 4 года назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue Are xx trans women valid?
@johndesper9425
@johndesper9425 4 года назад
It's not because he's running "too much". He has male chromosomes, developed testicles that didn't descend, and hold a biologically massive advantage over all women. He has been determined to be a man by the IAAF and the only thing to combat thir scientific determinations is Caster's mawkish anecdote of being male.
@edgarramos1499
@edgarramos1499 3 года назад
IAAF: "ooh this woman has testicles and also a Y chromosome, he is by biological, scientifically, and by common definition a man". Reality crashing your safe space.
@Drmicky141
@Drmicky141 5 лет назад
The ruling might not seem fair to her but it's not fair to other women either to have to compete with someone born with higher testosterone. Perhaps, it's time for a third category, just like the growing popularity for a third gender. Who knows what the futures holds, we might even need a separate category for GM babies too.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Semenya is a he, him, a man. The ruling is entirely fair; in fact, it doesn't go far enough. Semenya is a fraud and should be kicked out of sports altogether.
@MsJudith90
@MsJudith90 5 лет назад
That is not true, on wikipedia you can find many white runners which were disqualified and their titles were taken away after unsuccessul sex verification. I dont agree to exclude anyone who is good enough and wants to compete, but maybe sport needs adjustment and adding new category to be more "FAIR", for example - intersex. It is certain she will be better than any other woman and she will always be worse from the worst professional male runner. She is in between, but it is not only her.
@MsJudith90
@MsJudith90 5 лет назад
Another thing is that despite general knowledge what are the typical values of testosterone for women they agreed for participation of these women with level much higher than average woman... SO this is particularly affecting Caster and it extremely unfair. And yes, 2 more African top runners might have exact same conditions. It is unfair to eliminate them from competing; better to arrange special group for such individuals.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Not just testosterone, but XY chromosomes. Semenya is a man and has all the advantages being a man provides physically in sports.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
@@MsJudith90 The problem is Semenya is NOT a woman AT ALL. He is a man.
@AMS-tothepm
@AMS-tothepm Год назад
The more you know... If a fetus is exposed to unusually high levels of testosterone during the critical period of *genital differentiation, If being a girl biologically speaking your a girl (*chromosomes wise) but due to the high levels of testosterone, the girl will develop a increases in muscle mass and male features. Females do produce testosterone levels (ovaries) but it's small amounts due it clash with female estrogen. Caster has hyperandrogegism. Her ovaries and other hormones (androgen) in simple terms, are out of wack. This is what a high level of testosterone level is. giving her a more muscle mass and male features. She is female...but her ovaries just produces high testosterone naturally. (out of wack) (like males) Now if you were a fetus exposed to unusually low levels of testosterone during the critical period of genital differentiation. If being a boy biologically speaking your a boy, but impaired growth of the external sex organs although born genetically male, that male could be born with female genitals. Note* Yes chromosomes indicate if you are a boy or girl but it's the *SRY gene that indicates the sex. this gene provides the instruction into protein which involved in male typical sex development( Y chromosome). Fun fact: we all start off as girls until the SRY gene kicks in. It takes nine weeks for the fetus to form into a boy or a girl.
@sachinrhode
@sachinrhode 5 лет назад
PLEASE CHECK CASTERS RECENT WEDDING PHOTOS ... THAT IS SELF EXPLAINED ..
@saynotothegreatreset
@saynotothegreatreset 5 лет назад
The should ask to the other female athletes to dope to be the same levels as caster !!
@steppamanjroy9886
@steppamanjroy9886 3 года назад
She's just talented, She's worked hard her whole life never cheated in any competition
@Arnolddemoiselle
@Arnolddemoiselle 3 года назад
I don’t have time for nonsense according to her
@henrymahlalela6688
@henrymahlalela6688 5 лет назад
maybe they should also apply dt in football so we can see also win world cup
@newvillagefilms
@newvillagefilms 5 лет назад
She's awesome. It takes balls to run like she does.
@shadowmaster9780
@shadowmaster9780 5 лет назад
@Judgement A Come yes, why everybody so blind to see that mate?
@mauricejones4448
@mauricejones4448 5 лет назад
Lol. He has a pair
@shadowmaster9780
@shadowmaster9780 5 лет назад
Exactly, she got balls😁
@kefkapalazzo1
@kefkapalazzo1 5 лет назад
Lmaooooo that’s a good one
@iammotley9212
@iammotley9212 4 года назад
Exactly, balls 🤔
@annearly3200
@annearly3200 2 года назад
This is different from trans men. This is her natural body. You can argue is fair the American athlete get better equipment, training facilities, rich student get better school system parent can pay for tutors to help them when fail a class. Women with larger breast are at a disadvantage in sports like running, gymnastics,volleyball.
@daniaa1602
@daniaa1602 5 лет назад
Tall people have an unfair advantage too.. should they get their legs shaved too? lmaoo EDIT: I made that comment before the doc said it
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Are you that daft? Men and women are vastly different. Semenya is a MAN, a MALE, a FRAUD who STOLE from women.
@gabrielmichael3701
@gabrielmichael3701 5 лет назад
Leg length has never been a qualifier in running, but sex is and has always been. You guys can’t seem to differentiate between the right a person has to IDENTIFY As their gender of choice, and Enterprises that care about the qualifications on a biological level, sports has nothing to do with identity, it has everything to do with biology. Are you Angry because this runner is more woman than she is man? or are you angry that her identity is even being questioned? I’m guessing the latter. Where was this energy with Rachel Dolezal? There is some portion in her blood no matter how small that is black ancestrally and she lived her truth, And you destroyed her for it.
@andrewkear5639
@andrewkear5639 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue you must really have time, I've seen you going from comment to comment lmao
@thomasneedham1224
@thomasneedham1224 3 года назад
Man have a huge advantage over women everytime in physical sports for good reason. Testosterone is like taking roids hence why many male athlestes use it cheat. Simenya has a huge advantange which is just so unfair to the women competing against her.
@MichaelKatide
@MichaelKatide 5 лет назад
1. It’s below the dignity of any court or sports authority to demand use of drugs. It’s not only about fair competition, it’s about safeguarding the health of many generations of athletes as well. 2. Asking her to modify her performance using drugs is vicariously modifying her competitors’ performance (relative to Semenya) at her expense. They are officially doping the entire field, so it can compete against her, but she will be left to pay an untold price in her health for the unknown damage the drugs will cause.
@cheetahcheetah3756
@cheetahcheetah3756 5 лет назад
its not fair... so then stop running/competing
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
It isn't fair for men to compete against women in women's events. It is fraud, THEFT.
@gabrielmichael3701
@gabrielmichael3701 5 лет назад
They could have banned her from running with women period. This was her best option.
@bonginkosiemanuel5463
@bonginkosiemanuel5463 5 лет назад
@@cheetahcheetah3756 based your own argument, there must be athletes in basketball who should reduce their height or be stopped period from competing for being too tall or athletes who are too short should be allowed to take growth hormones because of their disadvantageous height. White people are stupidity racist.
@refilwesteffen9903
@refilwesteffen9903 5 лет назад
@@bonginkosiemanuel5463 u know about basketball fundamental skills development? Here in the US sports academies start at a very EARLY age (PEEWEE sports)..kids of all height & size have PLENTY variety of sports to choose & opportunities to learn skills to compete if they have the desire. Not just tall baskeball players...Even jockies, ice hockey, baseball etc excel at their craft. Here We are talking ridiculous testosterone level used against women by a DUDE. NOT to be compared with different sports requiring different SKILLS regardless to size. Plenty to choose BUT strictly remains Men against Men for obvious reasons. Folks know a man when they see 1.
@ahappycoma3756
@ahappycoma3756 5 лет назад
It's a man, what do you expect them to do!?
@rubyblue1990
@rubyblue1990 5 лет назад
ahappycoma "She"...the pronoun is "she". And she is a woman. She was born a woman. It's not her fault she was created the way she is. Have some respect and compassion for your fellow human. She is human, not an animal.
@ahappycoma3756
@ahappycoma3756 5 лет назад
@@rubyblue1990 You have some respect and tell people the truth! Teach science and not some fairytale that makes you and HIM feel virtuous! This isn't going to end well for people like him!!!!
@dumisfam7658
@dumisfam7658 5 лет назад
Do u know what is a man or u need help?
@roo4086
@roo4086 4 года назад
@@rubyblue1990 it must be annoying to not be able to do the thing you love because of something you were born with
@lonewolf4429
@lonewolf4429 3 года назад
@@rubyblue1990 Have some respect and compassion for female athletes that have trained for several years and then be forced to race against a man.
@johnhawk4209
@johnhawk4209 3 года назад
Meanwhile he goes home, pops open a beer, lights a cigarette, and says in his deep voice "woman whats for dinner". Then shaves and watches football.
@charityfields3075
@charityfields3075 3 года назад
lol that was too funny!
@GK-op4oc
@GK-op4oc Год назад
Then, goes to work to pay the bills for the household while wife has an easy life performing light domestic chores, such as loading and unloading washing machines
@tessa7582
@tessa7582 5 лет назад
There are a load of females ailments that give you a higher testosterone. PCOS, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, endometriosis......
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
You understand Semenya is a born MALE, a MAN. Don't post anything here if you do not understand this FACT. It was recently revealed by the UK's Sunday Times he was born male. He is a CHEATER. That is why he lost the case plus the fact the panel wanted to put a kibosh on the trans cheaters.
@tessa7582
@tessa7582 5 лет назад
Susan Nunes you are disgusting and are foolishly stupid.
@butch4butch
@butch4butch 5 лет назад
No, Semenya has XY genes and is therefore MALE with intersex genitalia. Semenya has FIVE times the testosterone of any female. Very different from the debilitating condition of PCOS.
@tessa7582
@tessa7582 5 лет назад
You have so much knowledge and experience of this woman, almost bordering on obsession. Emphasising male and man boosts your point and your ego. What will you do if she is banned, will you feel satisfied ? All that will happen is another black woman will come along and take first place. We are naturally stronger, more athletic and all we hear from people like you is that it is unnatural. I hope you feel a total sense of satisfaction for your stance.
@terryscott2632
@terryscott2632 5 лет назад
@@butch4butch No she doesn't, she was born with a vagina but internal testicles.
@merc731
@merc731 5 лет назад
a tall basketball player has an unfair advantage so lets cut his feet off ..that's the logic here ..meanwhile everyone else is on steroids
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
B.S. analogy. Men and women are totally different physiologically. The processing of hemoglobin is the most critical and cannot be changed. Male athletes have superior aerobic fitness to female athletes because of larger hearts, lungs, and more blood and more oxygen to the blood. By your idiot logic, grown men should compete in children's events.
@panchopuskas1
@panchopuskas1 5 лет назад
No, Semanya shouldn't be banned from competing....but in the "open" category just as basketball players do....7ft basketball players compete against ALL comers.....so should Semanya.....
@refilwesteffen9903
@refilwesteffen9903 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue get this...basketball players compete against other tall players. They don't chose to play only against short pple to gain advantage. It's hard for them as they face players just as tall & strong. A level playing field. Caster has balls to run like a man. There should be a boy/girl group for he/shes. Thanks to IAAF in keeping the integrity of female athleted.
@YaAllahswt
@YaAllahswt 5 лет назад
Facts
@mlmoreno75
@mlmoreno75 5 лет назад
What are his/her chromosomes???
@InOutGR
@InOutGR 5 лет назад
so you want phelps to go to the female championship? wtf world?
@NatJac-gg3mv
@NatJac-gg3mv 5 лет назад
So uneducated. Someone said in comments that she is biologically a man. She is not biologically a male and that is not what the docs said. There are thousands of intersexed people born all over the world everday. They are essentially walking the line gentically between male and female. They used to be called hermaphrodite which is a term no longer used. They can look physically like a male in every way but maybe be born with female genitalia (vulva and/or ovaries). They can also look physically like a female in everyway but be born with a vaginal and testicles ( or a combination of a penis but insted of testies they may have internal ovaies or any other combination of this. They could also look like male or femal physically but be born with what is referred to as ambiguous genitalie where when you inspect the genitalia at birth it is unable to be determined if its a penis or vagina because the development was interupted at the point where genetalia in a fetus begans to change into a male or female. I.e all fetus start out the same and at a vital point the genetalia changes to either male or female. But in these cases something in the process gets does not process completely. Google it or pick up an encyclopedia ( opps, silly me, we are too good for encyclopedias now a days) so that you can make even half way educated statements. When these children are born many parents years past and even now are often forced to make a decision to raise a child as a male or female. Can you imagine looking like a male physically in every way but be born with a vagina or with a penis so tiny that your parents decide to raise you as A female even though your brain is telling you that you are male?! So to make the statement that she is male is crazy, uneducated/ignorant, and irresponsible
@blix101112
@blix101112 5 лет назад
It is possible to be genetically a male without external sex organs. It is a condition called AIS:medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001180.htm
@donaldbadowski290
@donaldbadowski290 5 лет назад
I have my doubts she could get pregnant.
@forgive7449
@forgive7449 5 лет назад
no womb so it would be difficult 😕
@morgan9775
@morgan9775 5 лет назад
He is a man he has a prostate and no uterus men even after surgery to make themselves look like a woman they are still men and the majority of men are physically stronger and have more stamina than women he was outracing biological women
@jacksonrobert8893
@jacksonrobert8893 3 года назад
@@morgan9775 she was assigned female at birth though. She was born with a vagina and has menstrual cycles.
@lisa-xo
@lisa-xo 5 лет назад
WTF IS " ACCEPTABLE DISCRIMINATION" ?
@VAMR-vc7xg
@VAMR-vc7xg 5 лет назад
The right for women to have sex segregated sports.
@dumisfam7658
@dumisfam7658 5 лет назад
Unfair discrimination
@arturoperez352
@arturoperez352 4 года назад
What are the chances that she has an extremely rare disorder that effects her testosterone level and sex organs yet is also the best female runner ever in the events she competes in? Is it because of her already increased testosterone levels from this rare disorder? Or is this all a charade?
@WESTFREE2
@WESTFREE2 5 лет назад
All her life she's been different...found something where she could excel and be free...be a winner, then evil hates her for that. Shameful!
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
He is an entitled male who thought he could take the easy route and compete in women's events where they didn't stand a chance against him. He is one disgusting human being.
@cheetahcheetah3756
@cheetahcheetah3756 5 лет назад
she? he?
@kofi333
@kofi333 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue you are a big fool
@refilwesteffen9903
@refilwesteffen9903 5 лет назад
Oh poor him...not fooling everyone. He/she cashed in big time! The gravy train came to a halt FINALLY. He should be glad he got away with it that long. That's DUDEs with a vaginas do exist. Gender confusion...
@WESTFREE2
@WESTFREE2 5 лет назад
refilwe steffen you sound stupid. May I suggest a bubble bath a bottle of Chianti and a sharp razor?
@PLEBEJones
@PLEBEJones 5 лет назад
Real-woman's right!!
@daniella921
@daniella921 5 лет назад
Power to you Caster
@princemaxx
@princemaxx 5 лет назад
These comments are so sad.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
By calling him a fraud? Hardly. Semenya is a shitstain on his nation of South Africa. He needs to get out of sports and go back to obscurity where he belongs.
@dwayneoneil689
@dwayneoneil689 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue True
@gregjsargent7015
@gregjsargent7015 4 года назад
What is too frequently overlooked in the debate about Caster is that she has XY chromosomes. If you have XY chromosomes you should compete vs other XY, regardless of testosterone levels, appearance, or how you identify. Such a policy would be clear cut, impossible to cheat, and fair for EVERYONE.
@runzeiglerun1
@runzeiglerun1 3 года назад
Well she clearly is more male then female.
@annearly3200
@annearly3200 2 года назад
@@runzeiglerun1 is it fair that Micheal Phelps frame gives him a unfair advantage. Is it fair the women with a smaller bust has advantage over women with smaller bust in sports like running,gymnastics,volleyball.
@kevinjamesmartin7127
@kevinjamesmartin7127 5 лет назад
This is evidently biased coverage, which news organization covers multiple balanced stances? I am an adult who is capable of forming my own opinions, what I need is to be informed of pros & cons for multiple arguments, not spoon fed one argument like this, and much coverage.
@kevinjamesmartin7127
@kevinjamesmartin7127 5 лет назад
I don't want the news organization to be doing the arguing, I want them to cover the arguing. Place things in balance, don't tip the scales. What American media argues is like acromegaly to the body politic. No wonder we are so divided.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
The media are almost all in the tank for Semenya, despite the fact he is one of the biggest frauds in the history of sports.
@aaronwrecks3324
@aaronwrecks3324 5 лет назад
how does she have 3 times more testosterone than the average woman, hmmmmm I wonder????
@aaronwrecks3324
@aaronwrecks3324 4 года назад
@@ohshanana2397 that's a guy
@bathobilemkhize3688
@bathobilemkhize3688 4 года назад
I don't know why you saying. .she's running too fast while she only break south Africa record. ....angzi yini enenza nigane unwabu kanjeez😂
@gabrielmichael3701
@gabrielmichael3701 5 лет назад
You may not like it but this is protecting women. Yes Caster is a woman, But pretending like she doesn’t have an advantage is holding women back. Boxers have weight divisions, and the qualifications for running are divided by Sex, But when I say sex, it is broken down even further, it is defined by what biologically makes up a woman and makes up a man, she has eight times the amount of testosterone levels as women who are born with out the XY chromosome she has, stop the clownery she should be grateful it lasted this long.
@blix101112
@blix101112 5 лет назад
So, HOW is 'she' a woman?
@jackiesmith2710
@jackiesmith2710 5 лет назад
She might look like a man but if she has womens parts below and is able to produce kids Then its unfair for her to be penalised if nature as given her an advantage! Nature gives people advantages! in intelligence, and talents of all kinds
@tonysam1955
@tonysam1955 5 лет назад
No, he doesn't. He was born male.
@Murmurrr
@Murmurrr 5 лет назад
Susan Nunes Go away
@heyitsdubem4462
@heyitsdubem4462 5 лет назад
Jackie Smith she/he has no uterus or ovaries
@butch4butch
@butch4butch 5 лет назад
XY genes and testicles. Semenya is NOT female and cannot reproduce.
@forgive7449
@forgive7449 5 лет назад
how can you have kids if you have no womb..... look forward to your reply. lol
@ThirtyThreeHipHop
@ThirtyThreeHipHop 5 лет назад
Sharon the Silver Medalist, has a problem with it. Go Figure!
@T3rdParti
@T3rdParti 4 года назад
Lets have a toast to women's equality🍷🍷😁
@thesloth5662
@thesloth5662 5 лет назад
What our SJW friends can't seem to understand is that the ruling had nothing to do with what is fair to one person. It was about protecting women's track competitions. No one wants to watch a race where they know who is going to win by 50 meters. It's the competition that brings fans out, and it's the fans that pay the athletes. Without the competition and suspense, the entire sport becomes irrelevant. It is the great moral dilemma of our time that we are having to impose legislative equality on biological inequalities. What is right changes drastically based which perspective you take. The IAAF simply took the perspective of the many and not the one, and it is extremely prejudicial and disingenuous to paint them as bigots when all they are doing is trying to ensure that women still have a reason to want to get into elite track and field.
@sunburnchaplips6802
@sunburnchaplips6802 5 лет назад
This is messed up. I disagree with this. Okay so test average women who win does each of those women who win have more testosterone than another women average runner? Wrong! This is wrong! Its unfair!
@blix101112
@blix101112 5 лет назад
Is it "fair" for true women to run against someone who is very likely genetically a male?
@iammarwa
@iammarwa 5 лет назад
Next time they will say i am too much of a girl .
@Ernest_jack_ll
@Ernest_jack_ll 2 года назад
Protecting female sports Huh. Where are these people now
@blacklivity
@blacklivity 5 лет назад
Not fair!!!
@trafficconesupmytightass7695
@trafficconesupmytightass7695 5 лет назад
Fair for the *women* competing
@russiadavidson3990
@russiadavidson3990 5 лет назад
What!
@carlista2010
@carlista2010 5 лет назад
2 be continued...It's a crazy case,but I don't think that it is the last..next we will here from the "MIDGETS".
@shadowmaster9780
@shadowmaster9780 5 лет назад
Bridget the midget goes to the olympics😂
@33ladyRAM
@33ladyRAM 5 лет назад
I had to read your comment twice and I must say...ummm I choked a little 😊
@shadowmaster9780
@shadowmaster9780 5 лет назад
Im all for fairness in society, but that athlete, has great unfair advantage over the average women, in that division. That athlete is in a category of its own. Its was a fair ruling of court period.
@33ladyRAM
@33ladyRAM 5 лет назад
@@shadowmaster9780 -??? I'm an athlete myself...saying that is like saying every other athlete that is unique should not compete or change their DNA...that is her DNA and if you want to be better than her or anyone else get out there and work harder. She's not a man, she's been beaten just like as a female I've beaten guys bigger and talker than me in one on one competitions. Next folks will be saying athletes with genetically more muscles than others have to tone it down??? And yes, there are athletes who are genetically more advanced than others, but it don't mean they can't be beaten.
@leonardoives7076
@leonardoives7076 5 лет назад
"protecting female sport" from what? Females? Lol okay
@leonardoives7076
@leonardoives7076 5 лет назад
@RedRose7997 she's still a woman? As in, at birth, she was identified as a woman, raised as a woman, is treated in our country as a woman (SA) and was assigned female at birth. Intersex describes her sexual reproductive system, not her gender, idiot.
@chimyshark
@chimyshark 3 года назад
@@leonardoives7076 dumb argument. being raised a woman doesn't make you weaker than men. having XX chromosomes makes you weaker than men. sports are segregated by sex, not gender. they just use the same words man and woman.
@jacksonrobert8893
@jacksonrobert8893 3 года назад
She was assigned female at birth
@akuujk6340
@akuujk6340 5 лет назад
Shocking
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
The only thing "shocking" is the FRAUD was allowed to falsely compete in women's events for years. It is time for the IOC and other athletic organizations to boot all y-chromosome athletes from competition in women's events and sports by bringing back chromosome testing. This would all but stop this brazen fraud by males who for whatever reason aren't good enough athletes to go up against elite males.
@IwanSetiawan-dv1wl
@IwanSetiawan-dv1wl 3 года назад
I don't understand why don't Semenya just compete with men?
@gcinithembampanza8967
@gcinithembampanza8967 5 лет назад
#LeaveCasterSemenyaAlone✊
@dwayneoneil689
@dwayneoneil689 5 лет назад
@Yrt Lol
@justicemthandeni786
@justicemthandeni786 5 лет назад
IAAF u have a Aparided,nd DISCRIMINATION THIS THING IT NOT GOOD TO ABUSE CUSTER
@recruitmentch
@recruitmentch 5 лет назад
English, please!
@Jamsandwichofficial
@Jamsandwichofficial 5 лет назад
First of all i can respect them as human beings, they are just doing what they fell is right etc. But you cant put men in against women. People who say "But women or men have different bodies to each other anyway" that argument dosnt hold true. In that case you could just say a man can enter a womans race without being trans if we are going down that route. End of the day in Elite physical athletics men have big advantages physically over women. Why cant Semenya in this case race against men but as a trans woman? Have you seen the UFC cage fighting guy who changed to a woman, and has absolutely wrecked women he/she fights, destroying their faces and ragging them around the ring? I cannot agree with that, its just obviously so so wrong.
@emmastrange5557
@emmastrange5557 5 лет назад
She isn't a trans woman.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
He can't compete against men because he isn't good enough for elite competition. His legs have too much bulk in the thighs to be competitive with elite male runners. This is why he decided to commit fraud and go up against women. Easy, easy work since men are totally different physiologically than women, and he can get rich and famous in the process. He is a total scammer, and I am sure his doctors and family were in on the fraud from the beginning. Certainly the IOC was. The medical records were kept secret for years, and for good reason. Semenya was afraid of exposure as the fraud he is. He really is no different from the trans cheaters. It is a distinction without any difference because he is a male regardless of what health issue he might have.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
@@simsdee1266 FALSE. He is a MAN, born male.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
@@simsdee1266 YOU need to do the research. Semenya has been outed, thanks to legal documents, as a born male.
@vivalafestivale
@vivalafestivale 5 лет назад
Why did her lawyer say she was born a man
@joshuablair6120
@joshuablair6120 5 лет назад
Check the chromosomes. XX athletes (females) should compete against other XX's. XY's should not compete against XX's.
@julioguzman3687
@julioguzman3687 5 лет назад
My heart goes out to the women athlete pioneers who have fought for decades for create avenues for future generations of female athletes.
@GK-op4oc
@GK-op4oc Год назад
through systemic discrimination against males
@joblessskin
@joblessskin 5 лет назад
Is she naturally born woman?
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
No.
@candisbrown1932
@candisbrown1932 5 лет назад
Yes I think she suffers from something called PCOS
@magicfuumaster4063
@magicfuumaster4063 5 лет назад
Intersex
@MichaelKatide
@MichaelKatide 5 лет назад
Her village grandmother who raised her would have been interested in transgenderism? If little girls grow to be women, then she is a woman.
@MaureenHope
@MaureenHope 5 лет назад
Sammy Gold yes
@williambarabanitz3858
@williambarabanitz3858 5 лет назад
Ajee Wilson deserved the gold in every event that she ran against Semenya. Allysson Felix will enjoy a level playing field as well. Wilson is a xx woman, and Caster & others are xy intersex women. The IOC & IAAF need to establish trans & intersex categories.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 4 года назад
Semenya is not an "xy intersex woman." No such thing exists. A woman with DSD is still XX chromosomally. Semenya is a 46 XY with DSD MALE, a MAN. Please stop using false descriptors of a person who has fraudulently played the "intersex woman" card for years.
@jdevries5606
@jdevries5606 5 лет назад
It is rubbish to ban her. Usain Bolt also has an extreme testosterone. Some women have extreme legs, some women have other talents. She is a woman, born with high testosterone. It is the end of woman sports if the best woman are not even competing anymore.
@khushboorani2629
@khushboorani2629 3 года назад
Sports have also other category for them also...
@fitnessfanatic3087
@fitnessfanatic3087 5 лет назад
What about black men, we have more test than other males?
@johndesper9425
@johndesper9425 4 года назад
Sports aren't segregated by race, they are segregated by gender. The reason they are gender-separate is to allow women an opportunity to win, because otherwise they would be consistently destroyed by men like Tom Brady or Caster Semenya. Black people do not dominate sports to the extent that men would dominate women. You can advocate for further segregation or unification of sports, but the point is that Caster Semenya is a male (XY chromosomes with developed testicles) competing unfairly in female competitions. Caster should be competing with other men. Analogies about wingspan or height are completely off the mark.
@Futilizer
@Futilizer 5 лет назад
That's not a woman. That's a man, baby.
@minouchejean8265
@minouchejean8265 5 лет назад
Lmao
@MK-tq5ec
@MK-tq5ec 5 лет назад
Sure, because you’ve verified her records and are her doctor.
@Futilizer
@Futilizer 5 лет назад
@@MK-tq5ec Yeah baby, yeah!
@kharisiyavuyanetshilema1609
@kharisiyavuyanetshilema1609 5 лет назад
Futilizer Lol. I'm not laughing, HOWEVER, any athlete,former athlete or SCIENTIST will look at her style of running and will come to a conclusion that she can easily compete against top male Kenyans and Ethiopians and can get a medal. Sports is so nice if politicians don't interfere. They are failing the countries and they wants to fail sports. WE love athletics and don't really like politics mixed with sports. Fairness is the name of the game in SPORTS...
@odainmcewan2241
@odainmcewan2241 3 года назад
I agree with the IAAF a 1000%
@haroldhumerickhouse8433
@haroldhumerickhouse8433 5 лет назад
Letsrun.com reports that Semenya has XY chromosomes.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
The information was taken from the London Sunday Times, the UK's most prestigious paper, which two months ago spilled the beans on the fraud Semenya.
@kawasaki32
@kawasaki32 4 года назад
It's not about testosterone but about being a Male that has bigger and stronger everything to begin with.
@BBBYpsi
@BBBYpsi 5 лет назад
What does the purple haired lesbian from the Women's USA national soccer team say about this he says we want equal pay equal rights because we're just as good as men
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 4 года назад
You don't know what you are talking about.
@BBBYpsi
@BBBYpsi 4 года назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue Yes I do!!! Her whole argument on equal pay is BS. In pro sports you go by how much money you bring in. Women's soccer does not come close to mens in revenue. To give you a example your top sales person in a car dealership out sells everyone else by 100's of thousands each year. But the female who's sales are at bottom of the sales team thinks she deserves equal pay. Do you think that is fair? The quality of the women's soccer is not close to the men's soccer. Women cannot come close to competing with men in sports & this is a fact you cannot argue. If women's soccer is so great then how come a 14 U local boys Dallas team beat the women's USA team 5-2. Do you think women deserve the same pay as the biggest box draws in movies? It is about who brings in more revenue. Now break my argument I dare you!!!
@ms.m7764
@ms.m7764 5 лет назад
Caster is a man, he's been getting away with this foolishness for year's. This is so unfair to the ladies who's been training for years and will never win because their running against this crook.
@nuttyynyce1206
@nuttyynyce1206 4 года назад
Believe me She’s a lady that was born very special 😊🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
@pm1647
@pm1647 2 года назад
She is both a man and woman get that right
@christinewatson1989
@christinewatson1989 3 года назад
She may be LEGALLY recognized as female but she is biologically male. She has an XY chromosome. This is an unfair advantage and wildly discouraging to the WOMEN who are competing.
@CleverChicc
@CleverChicc 5 лет назад
This Breaks my ❤️. Let's her run
@teevee7678
@teevee7678 5 лет назад
Cult Mechanicus let her run
@dubdsy5376
@dubdsy5376 3 года назад
He should not be allowed to run against women
@robertfrazier4609
@robertfrazier4609 3 года назад
Wtf is our world coming to. You gotta be kidding me. Who does he, yes he, think hes fooling. Put them in the special Olympics and have trans people compete against each other. In boxing they can compete blow by blow.
@siborutorop
@siborutorop 5 лет назад
Dude have balls..nuff'said
@ingridp4457
@ingridp4457 5 лет назад
beautiful square jaw
@cinnamonstar808
@cinnamonstar808 5 лет назад
Jarmila Kratochvílová has left the chat
@DrNurse-gb3of
@DrNurse-gb3of 5 лет назад
Coe has taken us back to pre 1833.
@disappointed1638
@disappointed1638 4 года назад
Discrimination is never acceptable
@GrumpyCat-mw5xl
@GrumpyCat-mw5xl 3 года назад
That’s a man man
@statixvisionary4451
@statixvisionary4451 5 лет назад
While we at it why don't we all have the same level of IQ and shoes size oh and why don't we all just be the same...😹 This is ridiculous. Please they must just leave her alone.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
People who care about sports should demand HE be kicked out of it. He is one of the biggest frauds in sports history.
@cinnamonstar808
@cinnamonstar808 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue the IAAF left Jarmila Kratochvílová alone.
@dumisfam7658
@dumisfam7658 5 лет назад
True.
@ingridp4457
@ingridp4457 5 лет назад
are they sure that’s not a man?
@ericworiax1277
@ericworiax1277 5 лет назад
No, she's female!
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
His lawyers admitted he was born male. The end.
@Kikigreentea
@Kikigreentea 5 лет назад
She has elements of both male and female, but mostly female.
@HereForFun98
@HereForFun98 5 лет назад
She was born intersex
@mokgadieunice400
@mokgadieunice400 5 лет назад
She is a female and that's it!
@carolynwalker4850
@carolynwalker4850 5 лет назад
Sad, suppose the meds don't work, she just a natural strong woman,,
@Aristotelezz
@Aristotelezz 5 лет назад
If you force a woman with a high testosterone level to take medication to reduce it, than you also should allow women, or men, with a low level to raise their level.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Semenya is a man. That is why he is throwing a hissy fit. His secret is out. He is just like Lance Armstrong, a sociopath who thinks the rules don't apply to him.
@Aristotelezz
@Aristotelezz 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue If it's a man than you are right. But don't say it because 'she' looks like a man, say it because you know. Do you? Some women look male and visa versa. Testosterone can be a cause...
@Aristotelezz
@Aristotelezz 5 лет назад
@blayzertrayl It seems to be very hard to find criteria that distinguish men from women. Especially on the outside. Nearly everything a men has, can be found at women, and visa versa. And there are many women who have more testosterone than the average man, and many men who have more estrogen than the average woman. That can decide how they look and sound and preform etc. But oke, let's assume Semenya turns out to be pregnant, would you still call her a man?
@ericpkingston1327
@ericpkingston1327 5 лет назад
For example one person lung capacity can be 3 times another person ..so we ask the other person to do surgery to be on par with the average person ?
@lydiahkwamboka4337
@lydiahkwamboka4337 5 лет назад
So Moh is a woman😂😂😂😂😂 he has hips
@stevenpiquette6055
@stevenpiquette6055 3 года назад
Serena and venus williams look more manly then her🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
@henrymahlalela6688
@henrymahlalela6688 5 лет назад
maybe white people should compete alone n we blacks compete alone bcz i think they natural low in testerone bcz i dnt knw wt testerone has 2 do with talent.
@tonysam1955
@tonysam1955 5 лет назад
Sure, it is racism. Note no black women are being open to scrutiny. That is because they are women. This fraud is a MAN, born a MALE. What part of that don't you understand?
@MODERNMEDIAWORLD
@MODERNMEDIAWORLD 5 лет назад
Leave Caster alone please!
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
We never will until he is kicked out of athletic competition altogether.
@strongindependentblackwoma1887
so black race is best race?
@niandraladie2953
@niandraladie2953 5 лет назад
@david douglas Lies!
@IwanSetiawan-dv1wl
@IwanSetiawan-dv1wl 3 года назад
I am sure Semenya doesn't associate itself as woman but only in the sport 😒ignorant
@re-creatorcreator775
@re-creatorcreator775 5 лет назад
If is natural !.....Let her run !
@CoolBoy-iw1dk
@CoolBoy-iw1dk 4 года назад
This argument is rather difficult. Let us talk about this testosterone... I am a male athlete. My level of testosterone is rather too small compared to other males. It also affected my appearance to the extent many people believed I was gay (very very light weak feminine voice, no beads, weak masculinity). As a long distance track runner, I compete with giants, fully masculine guys with advantage of VERY high testosterone as compared to me. It’s illegal to take pills, like steroids to increase my level...nonetheless, I would not put my health in danger because of that. I Back to Semenya, that is just an ADVANTAGE she has...which can be seemingly be compared to many other advantages an athlete could have. Coming to science and sporting laws, *intersex* have no place in sport !! Because participation is determined by so called “XY” and “XX” chromosome. *My personal opinion and recommendation* ; Science can use chromosomes to define sex, but sport can give the meaning of sex a wider meaning in extension to their rules. Because what they are doing to Semenya is immoral, and could endanger her health in the long run. She was legally recognized as female at birth and has identified as female her entire life
@jonasm.muronga
@jonasm.muronga 5 лет назад
What anout female soccer players?
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
Same thing. Men don't belong in women's sports at all.
@jacobusvanzyl9293
@jacobusvanzyl9293 5 лет назад
If you are a woman you should be allowed to compete as a woman, Caster is a woman and should be allowed to compete as she is. Competition is not competition if everyone is made to be the same.
@jacobusvanzyl9293
@jacobusvanzyl9293 5 лет назад
@@mariovautrin9866 Explain???
@pascalbruenner
@pascalbruenner 5 лет назад
So, a person with a biological anomaly which gives a clear unfair advantage should compete with people who do not possess this biological anomaly? This would be unfair towards the other people.
@MsJudith90
@MsJudith90 5 лет назад
@@pascalbruenner NO ONE IS EQUAL, why her rival with same condition is still in game??
@butch4butch
@butch4butch 5 лет назад
Male = XY genes; Semenya = has XY genes. Semenya is not female and should not be allowed to compete as female.
@MsJudith90
@MsJudith90 5 лет назад
@@butch4butch Who said she has XY genes? I was looking for such information and didnt find it?
@savannahrossy2405
@savannahrossy2405 3 года назад
Fkn enrages me 🔥
@waggla05
@waggla05 5 лет назад
But why can’t they reveal her true gender why is it a secret?? Because they’ ran test a few years ago but kept the result a secret. I think we should really find out what the test results was years ago then we can support her. Because if you’re looking at her. She looks more like a male then actually a female. I am not trying to disrespect anyone but from a spectator in the crowd you have to see where I’m coming from
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
The Times of London some time ago revealed the truth. Semenya's lawyers admitted their client was born male. This was the end of his case right then and there. He should be forced to give back his medals and other awards won fraudulently.
@waggla05
@waggla05 5 лет назад
Susan Nunes Well there you go Case closed! If she is actually a man. There is no way she should be running with woman. If what you’re saying is really the truth. She cannot get my support!!
@ryanaltfillisch7155
@ryanaltfillisch7155 5 лет назад
@@ValleyoftheRogue - Provide proof of your claims otherwise stop posting this comment everywhere in hopes morons will believe you. Everything released about her states that she is unequivocally a woman that has hyperandrogenism, which means she naturally produces high testosterone levels.
@vuxakairish3140
@vuxakairish3140 5 лет назад
U just being so racist njhee....i mean she was born like that not that she injected herself with something to boost her power...haaa sukaaaa😟😟😟
@karoslif9818
@karoslif9818 5 лет назад
It most definitely is not fair to the women, even Caster knows he's a man, he married a female, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well dog gone it it's a duck
@JuanTheBone
@JuanTheBone 5 лет назад
Alright, so by your logic if a transgender person completely passes they should be allowed to compete in the opposite gender competition cause it "talks and walks like a duck" ? She was born with a vagina.
@ValleyoftheRogue
@ValleyoftheRogue 5 лет назад
@@JuanTheBone Trans and DSD males competing in women's events are FRAUDS because they are NOT women. They need to be booted out of women's sports as cheaters. Nobody changes sex, dipshit.
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