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Olympian Reacts to Devon Allen’s 110m Hurdles False Start 

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@NickSymmondsToo
@NickSymmondsToo Год назад
Heartful congrats to the winners, but tough break for Devon and the sport as a whole. Let me know your thoughts on this controversial event below.
@xtna3371
@xtna3371 Год назад
Oh of course!
@waterrocketlab151
@waterrocketlab151 Год назад
I think a new study should be conducted to set a new standard for reaction time
@madmax49137
@madmax49137 Год назад
Just let the runners run…not everything needs technology.
@bfg216
@bfg216 Год назад
Honestly, they need to change the rules. Or they had faulty timers. 3 people in 1 night...
@Johnpork6907
@Johnpork6907 Год назад
If the study shows that the fastest possible start is 0.084 seconds then the limit should be 0.084 seconds and not round to 0.1. The times are very precise and valuable and making the limit higher is an unnecessary disadvantage to the athletes
@reallymysterious4520
@reallymysterious4520 Год назад
There was also a woman disqualified for being just over .09 - that rule has to be changed from 0.10 down to .09 because neither the woman or Devon did anything wrong
@kingc2884
@kingc2884 Год назад
I think it should be 0.08
@jwhittington78
@jwhittington78 Год назад
It shouldn’t be a rule at all. The race starts when the gun fires. If you start running after the race starts it should be fine. A single elimination DQ is enough penalty…nobody will try to time the gun. And if they do? Good on them…all part of the game.
@jojolords4523
@jojolords4523 Год назад
@@jwhittington78 Somewhere you need to put a limit though, because it could be unfair at some point. But in that case simply remove the reaction time completely, start the timer of each athletes when he reacts.
@cichy-yl1wr
@cichy-yl1wr Год назад
There were 2 women actually, one was .95 and the other .97 or .98 I believe. Either way pretty stupid
@proverbalizer
@proverbalizer Год назад
@@jwhittington78 Exactly.
@rasoolporhemmat1418
@rasoolporhemmat1418 Год назад
Same thing happened to 100m sprinter from Bahamas in the final earlier. The reaction time was 0.093sec. Time to review and change this out-dated rule before more athletes get deprived of showing their talents on such a stage.
@proverbalizer
@proverbalizer Год назад
two women, 0.095 and 0.093
@caleb49712
@caleb49712 Год назад
*The Bahamas
@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405
@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 Год назад
Very interesting study was done and the reaction times for all athletes at the meet were off the charts and way ahead of anything that has been recorded at previous Olympic and World Championships. Most reactions times were 0.04-0.07 faster than previous championships. Whoever the morons were that calibrated their systems owes some athletes some money. On top of that just an idiotic rules as well, but unfortunately our sport is famous for that.
@wayneegli8379
@wayneegli8379 Год назад
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 It's not the time calibration, it's the pressure calibration.
@TheSecondWitness
@TheSecondWitness Год назад
That was NOT a false start by Allen, but instead a GREAT reaction time. He reacts AFTER the gun. I’m going to say we disqualify the officials and especially the rules committee whose “great idea” resulted in the highest level of unsportsmanlike conduct ever imagined. And it happened in the Finals of the Worlds - at the highest level.
@oldfrend
@oldfrend Год назад
i watched the slomo on NBC's channel and i swear the polish dude twitched first.
@JappaKneads
@JappaKneads Год назад
@@oldfrend twitching is not leaving the blocks. The rule is (overall kinda dumb to me though...
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 Год назад
You can't disqualify the officials. As difficult as it was to watch, they were just doing their jobs. It's the rules that have to change, and, IMO, the equipment _must_ be regularly tested so that there is never a question of it not working properly. If these were "new" blocks that Noah Lyles hasn't seen, then why haven't they been used in other, less important meets to properly test them, rather than in the world championships?
@slappy-chicken
@slappy-chicken Год назад
You're being dramatic. General sentiment is rule doesn't seem fair. Ok, definitely a lot of validity to that opinion. The issue was officials had their hands tied. There is no recourse or appeal when reaction time exceeds established threshold. Even if somehow officials decided to deviate from established protocol to 'false start', the act of giving Allen a second chance would have created another, maybe bigger, issue. Runners and other people invested in track would question fairness and integrity of sport. It be a reasonable assumption that Allen was receiving preferential treat. Yes, the method used to calculate reaction time needs to be scrutinized again. The new data gathered could elicit a rule change that's more adequate and fair.
@markjeter6117
@markjeter6117 Год назад
@@JappaKneads I was a speed skater and twitching is considered a false start. There are no blocks in that sport tho, so the rule is to be motionless until the gun goes off. I’ve read a lot of comments but I think the .080 limit will reduce this kind of foolishness to almost nothing. A reaction time like that is like 6 or 7 sigma of the “normal” person… which is like a fraction of 1/2%… super low probability. It really should be 0. The blocks measure negatives meaning you moved befor the gun so then DQ someone then and not for being an awesome athlete!
@woodygreen6826
@woodygreen6826 Год назад
Two problems, and admittedly I was a sprinter in college and may have a biased view, but one false start and your gone is a bad rule, as is the reaction time rule. Also, if there is any doubt in the correct reaction time number, the margin of error should lean in favor of NOT disqualifying an athlete.
@elizabethhenning778
@elizabethhenning778 Год назад
If it wasn't one strike and you're out, people would false start to rattle the field.
@PushPastMyLimits
@PushPastMyLimits Год назад
They should allow reaction time of 90 milliseconds instead
@jeniserobinson8585
@jeniserobinson8585 Год назад
@@elizabethhenning778 🤣🤣
@bunato2023
@bunato2023 Год назад
@@PushPastMyLimits Humans have scientifically been proven to be able to react in 84 milliseconds. 90 milliseconds does not make sense. It should be 80-84.
@waterrocketlab151
@waterrocketlab151 Год назад
It was sad to see so many athletes be unable to race yesterday :(
@malik_Steel20z
@malik_Steel20z Год назад
I think the False starts are too strict, Hope to make it out to a Nick symmonds event next year! I had surgery so I've been scared to run again but hopefully one day!
@schooie3787
@schooie3787 Год назад
They aren’t even that strict every athlete knows that you have to sit in the blocks and just wait for the gun to go off, regardless of what the rules are it is a really dumb rule but I still think that if they lower the reaction speed down to 0.09 it’ll won’t affect anything anyways
@godsglory2023
@godsglory2023 Год назад
But 0.001 is way to sensitive, just as nick said that is an elite athlete reaction time
@Ry-pk1mb
@Ry-pk1mb Год назад
@@schooie3787 yeah but they’re elite athletes, and some elite athletes just naturally have a better reaction time than the 0.1
@MelinaJamiee
@MelinaJamiee Год назад
Instead of disqualifying someone they could literally give them warnings, up to 3 and if they get the 3rd there out. Usually sprinters run in more than one event, I’ve always thought it’s so harsh to disqualify someone at the spot, they could at least get a warning first. I like it how the galas do it better, usually they don’t disqualify someone when this happen.
@charlietian4023
@charlietian4023 Год назад
Honestly the 0.1 limit needs to be lowered to be way down to prevent false positives like these beyond a doubt. For example if no one can react faster than 0.06, then make the limit 0.03. This is basically punishing you for being too good, beyond reasonable intuition. Either that or don't make a limit to begin with and just punish people for taking the risk by automatic DQ before the gun
@johnnwako2488
@johnnwako2488 Год назад
Wether the hurdler jumped the gun or not - World Athletics (formerly IAAF) is the problem: Scientific tests, that the sport's organisation knows about, have clearly shown that it's possible to react to the gun in a 0.08 second, yet the organisation foolishly maintains its limit of 0.100-of-a-second-reaction-time rule!
@eldongarner787
@eldongarner787 Год назад
Nick, remember all the problems they had with these starting blocks during the NCAA1 championships. There were many cases of false starts that were called back as no false start.
@brianprush
@brianprush Год назад
Well said! Correct in every detail. I've been running track for 40 years and coaching all ages for 35 years and I have a Ph.D. in statistics. The supposedly scientific/statistical justification for the 100 millisecond rule is absolute garbage!!! I don't think they should use that type of rule at all, but if they do you are right that lowering it to 80 milliseconds would make sense.
@dimitrisfarmakis7572
@dimitrisfarmakis7572 Год назад
And if an athlete gets disqualified for having a reaction time 0.79 we will have the same discussion all over again….
@mnput
@mnput 9 месяцев назад
​@@dimitrisfarmakis7572Current studies shows that fastest human reaction time is 80 miliseconds
@pauloguga
@pauloguga Год назад
Hey Nick please keep doing these track and field recaps they're very entertaining
@Liverpool1616
@Liverpool1616 Год назад
as someone who just started watching track about 1.5 years ago. I didnt even know this was a thing. I was absolutely disgusted to hear about this rule and I WAS even more disgusted that I found out why and their research that conducted them to come to this conclusion. Its bad for the sport. They did to do more testings with Olympic athletes. Their random testing of this is ridiculous.
@kappiah
@kappiah Год назад
Great analysis Nick! Such a great shame and a messy technology robbing Devon of his well deserved glory!
@stanleyokpara8887
@stanleyokpara8887 Год назад
No one deserves anything, it has to be earned and that includes a good start. He false started, case closed. It’s science, can’t argue with a factual event
@iceking7415
@iceking7415 Год назад
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@tymirashshaheed540 Год назад
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@lujoconnor
@lujoconnor Год назад
Simple rule change would be .05-0.1s reaction time = call back to blocks, not DQ
@teentypist2345
@teentypist2345 Год назад
Can you imagine having to come back to the blocks multiple times though? As an athlete that would suck horribly and waste my energy/mess up my mindset.
@charlietian4023
@charlietian4023 Год назад
@@teentypist2345 But you can't really reliably do it that quick multiple times
@bowhunter8532
@bowhunter8532 Год назад
Or just move down the time to .05 for a DQ
@oldfrend
@oldfrend Год назад
you must be a new fan. the rule used to be it took two false starts to DQ, but then they had situations where there'd be 8 false starts as runners tried to use their free one to time the gun. it was ridiculous.
@bowhunter8532
@bowhunter8532 Год назад
@@oldfrend I agree, it used to be ridiculous. But now with a single false start causing a DQ people won't risk it. There is no reason not to drop the reaction time down to .07. That way there is no way something like this happens again
@lesvair
@lesvair Год назад
This is a great breakdown, thanks for educating us Nick
@williammalueg4138
@williammalueg4138 Год назад
I love the content nick. keep up the great work.
@mariaweller4545
@mariaweller4545 Год назад
Great critical analysis from a talented athlete- keep it coming, Nick! Congrats to all the medalists. My heart goes out to Allen. What honor and civility he showed in the face of an unfair decision.
@juanmanuelsandoval4895
@juanmanuelsandoval4895 Год назад
The limit should be 0.85
@peterliota8254
@peterliota8254 Год назад
Awesome post Nick! Way to get in some research to back the feeling of so many people on this issue.
@jacobtheanalyst
@jacobtheanalyst Год назад
Thank you Nick!!! Excellent breakdown.
@realmattronn
@realmattronn Год назад
Keep it coming, Nick!!!
@tulste
@tulste Год назад
He had a start of +0.102 in the semi, just saying!
@Lautarx
@Lautarx Год назад
Yeah basically he has a special reaction capacity. The rule robbed him a medal.
@jaymacpherson8167
@jaymacpherson8167 Год назад
What is jumping the gun? Moving before the gun goes off. This insane rule is punishment for moving too soon AFTER the gun goes off. If someone has that predictive skill, it is part of the physical prowess package and this rule be damned.
@BigLando
@BigLando Год назад
Incredible video, everything really well said 👍👍
@ahmedashraf1485
@ahmedashraf1485 Год назад
Learned a lot from the video. Thanks 👍
@timothyvandenberg2905
@timothyvandenberg2905 Год назад
Yes, Time for Change! I also can't believe no one talked about the Polish runner flinching before the gun actually sounded. Devon Allen gently brought that iup, but he should have protested that as well, since that (according to him) was a possible motivator for him to react too quickly. Watch the different camera angles before the gun, and you will see the Polish athlete twitch in the blocks during the "Set" position. This should have been the DQ, not Devon Allen.
@insiderugbywithmark
@insiderugbywithmark Год назад
Nick and all, one thing that needs to be added into this conversation is this. World Athletics in their infinite wisdom do not have a standard technology platform for measuring false starts at all of their events. The systems are different at most meets, meaning the variance in the technology used is not calibrated, nor standardised. What is used in Oregon, is not what will be used at the Commonwealth Games or European Champs. This is another Track and Field disaster from World Athletics as athletes are having their careers ruined because of this single fact alone.
@grizzlythetraildog9516
@grizzlythetraildog9516 Год назад
I feel so bad for Allen, love you Allen and Nick!❤️💖❤️💖 Heart broken for Allen!❤️💖
@Fullsendfilosophy
@Fullsendfilosophy Год назад
I watched the video back in .25x play speed and watched the start 4 or 5 times. The athlete in lane 6 was actually the very first to have his hand moving from forward momentum leaving the blocks while Devan Allen was still planted on his hand. Wrong guy was ejected
@spiritualphilosophy9402
@spiritualphilosophy9402 Год назад
The hand doesn't matter the feet do. The timing is in the blocks. I saw the replay as well and you couldn't see any movement from anyone. He obviously began his push off one thousandth of a second early and he was so slow it actually didn't make much difference.
@Fullsendfilosophy
@Fullsendfilosophy Год назад
@@spiritualphilosophy9402 According to a broken scientific method that an Olympian breaks down saying it's wrong... sure
@kenbridgeman8590
@kenbridgeman8590 Год назад
I did the same. Actually didn’t look at 6, but 2 seemed to move a fraction earlier.
@johngrant3836
@johngrant3836 Год назад
Clearly.., the idea is to discourage Athletes from gaining an edge by “Anticipating” the Start, instead of waiting for the Gun to sound. Otherwise.., you'd continue to have numerous False Starts by Athletes anticipating the firing of the Gun. No doubt.., I understand their reasoning for the Rule; however, it is still overkill and extremely unnecessary. As long as an Athlete does NOT jump the gun.., regardless of whether they were fortunate enough to anticipate the Start or not, the race should proceed. Besides, the Automatic Disqualification is more than incentive enough to prevent most athletes from taking the chance.
@justaguy328
@justaguy328 Год назад
Just fire the gun at random. There seems to be kind of a rhythm after they give the "set" call. Sometimes a little faster, sometimes a little slower. Keep the DQ for false start, and let the chips fall where they may.
@ryanhahn3651
@ryanhahn3651 Год назад
That’s what I’ve always said. Yes, I think it would lead to more DQs from “midfield” guys, but it’s a huge risk/reward thing with the auto DQs. If Devon actually did anticipate there (which I don’t believe he did) then kudos to him, he got the start he probably needed to win that race
@johngrant3836
@johngrant3836 Год назад
@@ryanhahn3651, logically, you can Anticipate the Start of a Race unquestionably FASTER than you could ever humanly react to the sound of the Gun; however, if you get caught??? ;-)
@JointSnipe
@JointSnipe Год назад
My god nick you came shouting outta the gate I had to yeet the volume control!!!
@pedromoscoso3300
@pedromoscoso3300 Год назад
Great video
@sofianecompaore629
@sofianecompaore629 Год назад
When nick reacts to a race this fast, yk there's a issue🤣🤣
@TRONMAGNUM2099
@TRONMAGNUM2099 Год назад
The .10 rule is ridiculous. The study is from sixty years ago that they based this rule on. Jesse Owens wouldn't win because people have gotten faster. They need to change the time.
@lilcourtny08
@lilcourtny08 Год назад
He would win if he ran today, they ran on dirt tracks during his time. He would be much faster on today's track surfaces, training, and shoes. Athletes today would be much slower running on a dirt track
@henryhobert5761
@henryhobert5761 Год назад
@@lilcourtny08 do you realize how absurd the idea of giving a person .4 seconds is in a 10 second race? He would’ve been faster but he wouldn’t have won
@lilcourtny08
@lilcourtny08 Год назад
@@henryhobert5761 lol, he would be fast as many track athletes today. I'm not giving him anything at all. Do little research before commenting, Jesse on ran on a inferior track surface and they didn't use starting blocks. He would easily gain .4 of second easily by running on today's track surface and using staring blocks.
@henryhobert5761
@henryhobert5761 Год назад
@@lilcourtny08 you don’t seem to realize how much .4 is, you shouldn’t disrespect todays athletes with a petty uneducated comment like I said 4% is A LOT to just give a person because of some inferior conditions, they’d help but not THAT much
@k1ngn1ko
@k1ngn1ko Год назад
great video
@stevemcdonald1033
@stevemcdonald1033 Год назад
The officials are telling Allen that he's too good at what he does, so he has to be disqualified. But don't hold your breath until this injustice is rectified. The wheels of progress in the track & field hierarchy move at glacial speed. Look at how long it took to dethrone Avery Brundage and all his sycophants from amateur athletics. They were very happy to operate by Victorian-era policies and destroy the careers of star athletes who took $50. more than their rules allowed, even though they were forced to live in near-poverty to continue competing. Thank you Nick, for this excellent breakdown of the facts in this issue. That eight ordinary sprinters from thirty years ago would set the standard for allowed reaction times today would be laughable if the consequences weren't so devastating for athletes who deserve much better.
@JradsEdits
@JradsEdits Год назад
AMEN AMEN AMEN. Make it happen Nick!
@rpeace9425
@rpeace9425 Год назад
So well said!
@16nowhereman
@16nowhereman Год назад
Nick, great job on this video and the points you made. I made that comment about Allen's reaction time. What if he is someone who just has fast reaction time? So, he is punished for that. Yes, that rule should be adjusted.
@fizzychizzy
@fizzychizzy Год назад
This assessment is sort of off. Grant Holloway was slightly ahead of Devon in the start and Grant Holloway goes over the first three hurdles REALLY fast. That is where he gets the lead. It isn't purely based on how quick he gets out of the blocks. It is at the backhalf that others tend to catch up of Grant. Remember Cunningham beat Devon at the trials. And we could see that Cunningham was catching up to Grant at the end. There is absolutely a world where Devon get's third and not first place. Or Devon is out for a photo finish with Cunningham. So I wouldn't say that it is clear that Devon would have won. But I am positive with Jamaican out that barring a horrible mistake, it was going to be a US sweep.
@mynameistania759
@mynameistania759 Год назад
Sad for Allen, but I believe he will give us something incredible in the future!
@xtna3371
@xtna3371 Год назад
Imagine tripping in a start in 100 meters at Olympic race! OUCH!
@proverbalizer
@proverbalizer Год назад
happened in the 200m heats, because the blocks slipped. Dude basically fell on his face. They called it back and re-started it as they should have
@xtna3371
@xtna3371 Год назад
Omg ouch!
@DavidSchwegler
@DavidSchwegler Год назад
As a non-runner, it's hard to take your sport seriously when I see stuff like this
@Francis_J0nes
@Francis_J0nes Год назад
Well it’s more serious than most sports but there are a few things like this rule.
@sammiescoots6331
@sammiescoots6331 Год назад
Every sport has stuff like this
@JappaKneads
@JappaKneads Год назад
@@sammiescoots6331 ever heard of Formula 1?
@brianh6
@brianh6 Год назад
Why are you using an issue that is almost exclusive to sprints to cast judgment on the whole sport? Wouldn't it make more sense to just not take sprinting seriously?
@jesusoldburytamayo2973
@jesusoldburytamayo2973 Год назад
I’m a medical student and love to hear the cited studies.
@philipmcluskey6805
@philipmcluskey6805 Год назад
Well said Nick. i totally agree
@eder405
@eder405 Год назад
What Martinez does is simply incredible, in the big tournaments he always PR’s and beat people with better times, like the Olympic finals and semifinal and final in the 22 world championship
@Maize_n_Whiskey
@Maize_n_Whiskey Год назад
Noah Lyles did an interview and spoke about the blocks being differently on NBC Sports. He mentioned that the lip on the blocks is shaped differently and that he's seen 5 false starts in int'l events this year by professionals but that these blocks are more accurate and will be causing a lot of issues for folks not ready for them. All that to say, it looks like he had a great start and that's a huge bummer for Devon. I was really looking forward to that race.
@Xhadp
@Xhadp Год назад
Awesome summary! Another thing in the studies and revising the rule needs to be looking at is alternative methods of a starting signal such as using a flash signal for deaf athletes or a touch based start system for a Keller athlete. I do not think it is in the org's best interests to keep going back and revising a rule simply because more situations pop up. Get it right the first time. I think the intent of the rule is there, you don't want an athletes winning with a 0 MS start time by 5 MS over someone with a more realistic start time. I also think that the delayed start, or when the starting gun isn't fired in a timely manner, needs to be re-evaluated. I think this also falls into the category of looking at human randomness which influences based on the athletes and when they want to go.
@isharamteke7520
@isharamteke7520 Год назад
Hey Nick great video. Were you a duck too? I have just graduated high school and wanted to know about the universities currently best for track and field.
@Ad-my9kg
@Ad-my9kg Год назад
I was under the impression that trying to apply a normal curve and standard deviations to that small a group was not statistically valid anyway.
@markjeter6117
@markjeter6117 Год назад
Yep. Your right. Included in this is the error of the equipment. Surely there is +\- .001 allowance in their somewhere?? n= 8 in a study is BARE minimum. In this case it’s not so much the number of athletes but the quality of athletes. In any case either a new study needs to be done or get rid of the reaction time altogether. At a minimum there should be a warning for reaction times below .100 but at it’s core it’s just punishing excellence. How do you tell someone with a quick reaction time to slow it down. It is what it is…
@christopherlerude4
@christopherlerude4 Год назад
been awhile since i checked in on NS, glad to see he's still hitting excessive amounts of caffeine
@christopherlerude4
@christopherlerude4 Год назад
You’re the best!
@umbrella0110
@umbrella0110 Год назад
They need to get rid of that rule! How dare they take my guy out like that!! 🥺
@weziranmusicdancehall3519
@weziranmusicdancehall3519 Год назад
Well said couldn't have said it any better Jamaica represent
@user-Dumbunny
@user-Dumbunny Год назад
With a sample size of 8, you need to use a T Distribution, where [Mean - 3 SD, inf] are needed for 99% inclusion. Even though the distribution is not bell-shaped; 121 ms mean and 14 ms SD pretty clearly indicates 100 ms is not a practical minimum, especially with single-start DQs.
@andrewfarrar741
@andrewfarrar741 Год назад
Allen also reacted in .101 in the semi-finals.
@Wiliam313
@Wiliam313 Год назад
That’s unbelievable
@wesleytwiggs7687
@wesleytwiggs7687 Год назад
Now more than ever, that man deserves gold in Paris.
@miki_djan
@miki_djan Год назад
Great discourse here. IAAF needs to review this
@TheBennyTots
@TheBennyTots Год назад
Hey Nick, you said in the video you were gonna link the studies in the description but I don't see any of them there, can you add those?
@MikeDillinger
@MikeDillinger Год назад
I've said time and again, there will eventually be a rash of DQs that are post-gun and barely under .1s in the same high-profile meet. It's finally happened and the rules will be hyper-clarified to ensure that the track officials are the one's that are making the assessment, like they're ALREADY supposed to. Yep, that's right. Because the equipment and timing algorithms are not standardized, the .1s lead time for false starting is supposed to just trigger a review, which can be overruled by the track officials upon looking at the tape. You heard that right. The starter is SUPPOSED to make a judgment call on whether the false start was DQ-able. The fact that the starter simply pointed to the .099 result and then DQ'd Allen is not how this is supposed to work. You can expect this to be changed/mandated almost overnight once the Worlds are over.
@fizzychizzy
@fizzychizzy Год назад
Right. The officiator should have let him run in protest. That is my opinion. At that point, Devon knows that he is going to have to argue his case to the higher ups, BUT throwing him out for this small difference seems stupid and misguided. Devon got a GREAT start this time. Who is to say he would have the same start again or even place with a second run and you can avoid the mess? When it is something this close, just let them run and judge later.
@retropro1
@retropro1 Год назад
What an absurd call on both cases!
@Yootobee
@Yootobee Год назад
Bro deserves 1 million subs
@darrellid
@darrellid Год назад
Totally agree but ... WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT MEEEEEEE????!! LoL
@firelordplayz
@firelordplayz Год назад
I hope Nick doesn't get DQ'd for his reaction time to the race.
@tomharmon5198
@tomharmon5198 Год назад
This is one of the problems with the sprints. Middle distance and long distance racing is where it's at!
@NeonGore
@NeonGore Год назад
Wow the fact this is actually a rule is crazy.
@bonsaibobrip61
@bonsaibobrip61 Год назад
Reaction times this world champs seem to be significantly faster than past events. It is possible they are using a new system with more sensitive starting blocks. It will be interesting to so the reaction time for the rest of the meet.
@riskorikkinen3498
@riskorikkinen3498 Год назад
I read it is actually because the sound system is closer to the athletes so of course reaction times are slower.
@jono1432
@jono1432 Год назад
Nick...might be a dumb question.but do you have the rights to the footage of the race? Like I'm glad you did this video, I just don't want NBC coming after you!
@jerrybraswell3958
@jerrybraswell3958 Год назад
Allen simply got screwed. In my youth it was my own reation time that gave me a hurdle advantage because I was really quick, but only moderately fast. In college football I had two touchdown runs called back because the refs said nobody could start that fast from the snap. They were wrong, but there was, just as with Allen, no recourse. I feel sooooo bad for Allen because he had a great chance to be world champion.
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 Год назад
Nick. I have to ask your opinion of the current state of the men's 800m. The pushing and shoving in the heats aside, it looks like the 800m coaching in the US needs a big shakeup. Or, is it because US athletes are choosing different events and avoiding the 800m? What's going on with the 800m?
@jjbirden88
@jjbirden88 Год назад
Excellent breakdown, Nick! I have to agree. Devon would have won, and time to change the rule.
@Forte_FX
@Forte_FX Год назад
perhaps Allen had a muscle twitch in his foot which triggered the sensor. You can’t start running without lifting a finger. So let the fingers do the talking. They could have a tiny sensor they put a finger down on, which lights an LED. Then on replay, you can hear the gunshot and check when the LED turns off.
@shineshinexc
@shineshinexc Год назад
I think they should keep the 0.1s second reaction time limit but set into place a tolerance of .020s if an athlete using a blocked starting position surpasses this 0.100s threshold on consecutive starts then a DQ is issued. In addition if the computer recognizes a sub 0.100s start the second gun will fire and that racer will be issued a warning. Example: in the semifinals Racer X reacts quicker than the 0.100s allowed reaction time, but within the tolerance of 0.020s (say 0.094s). the second gun fires and racer X is issued their warning. The race is reset. upon the reset racer X does not dip below the 0.100s threshold. -- The finals, Racer X again dips below the 0.100s threshold but again within the tolerance allowed (say 0.088s). the second gun sounds and racer X is given another warning, since the racer was below the reaction limit in two separate races the warning system resets and the racer is issued a warning and is not disqualified. the Finals race restarts. Racer X finishes the race. -- The next meet, Racer X is below the 0.100s reaction limit again this time they reacted at 0.079s Since this is below the tolerance of 0.020s Racer X is disqualified immediately with no warning. This idea provides a simplistic solution to keep racers with fast reaction times on the track while also eliminating egregious offenders who might be trying to gain an advantage.
@thijsbeentjes4008
@thijsbeentjes4008 Год назад
Didn't you say you'd link the researches in the description? I can't find them
@johnfulcher6596
@johnfulcher6596 Год назад
He "Bucked up" just the right amount. Then he stepped off. A Real Pro.
@hopedalrymple1886
@hopedalrymple1886 Год назад
Based on the research study you presented, shouldn’t they be using a time that’s +2-3 standard deviations above the average considering these are professional athletes? Assuming they’d be in the ~90th percentile?
@markjeter6117
@markjeter6117 Год назад
Exactly what I was saying… world class is Six Sigma right?!
@bertenqvist7324
@bertenqvist7324 Год назад
The speakers is set behind the block that means that the runner can hear the shot in accurate time not as it´s counted from the shooter to reach the runner (0.1sec), the irony is that Allen strentgh is the last 30m.
@insideinside9450
@insideinside9450 Год назад
Can you come to Jamaica bogwalk to do a challange.
@shadowcat1_
@shadowcat1_ Год назад
You should react to Allie Ostrander
@mikedauplaise7477
@mikedauplaise7477 Год назад
So Nick, who needs to make some noise to get this rule adjusted? Does it have to rise to the level of the USTAF along with some other countries?
@bryanhampson2710
@bryanhampson2710 Год назад
Agree
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 Год назад
Noah Lyles said the blocks are different and have a lip on the bottom. I have to wonder if this is what is causing so many false starts for the sprints.
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 Год назад
Also, it's ridiculous that they're basing the response time on an evaluation of "average" runners from the 90s and aren't consistently testing this value.
@aliabdallah4183
@aliabdallah4183 Год назад
Sydney world record next please
@rickyroca73
@rickyroca73 Год назад
Absolutely someone would risk a title trying to predict the gun, just like many have risked it all using a banned substance. The reaction time rule definitely needs to be revamped, but Allen wasn't the only athlete to be impacted. If you notice Alfred's reaction, they knew. Just wait until the 200M semis & final, and the 4x100 relay heats, someone else big is going to get knocked out and then change will come.
@sheldan64
@sheldan64 Год назад
Hey Nick, it's August 6th 2022 and my Google News search shows no articles about this issue. In fact, today's Google search leads with a Pess blog from May 10, 2018.... CAN YOU PLEASE KEEP US IN THE LOOP as time moves forward, I can't believe there are is nothing on the web that shows people are even thinking about this terrible rule. This is not a trivial issue, like you said, this has ruined peoples running legacy.
@LINER011
@LINER011 Год назад
Bad science is bad for the runners, bad for the fans, and bad for the sport.
@Raymond_Churchill
@Raymond_Churchill Год назад
We gotta get the Olympic channel to see this to lower that damn reaction time
@JamesAnderson-yp5vo
@JamesAnderson-yp5vo Год назад
This race frustrated the heck outta me. I can't believe they disqualified him for that! .001?! This was Devon's year!!
@albertmorales3233
@albertmorales3233 Год назад
This is where technology is not our friend 😒 It’s despicable, Devon should not have been penalized for a phenomenal reaction time, let alone those two other women in the 100m semis. He didn’t go before the gun, that is precision at its finest; ultimate spidey sense. I can’t imagine what it must’ve been like being in his shoes, but I would’ve taken it as a compliment being able to react THAT fast.
@thatonegirl8975
@thatonegirl8975 Год назад
In other sports, such as swimming, they don't have this rule, and they don't seem to have any issues. Is ANY time requirement on this really necessary?
@user-jc2ez6ig5z
@user-jc2ez6ig5z Год назад
No lower it to 50 milliseconds. Not building in any room for error is what got them in this situation in the first place.
@kenzodecrom2865
@kenzodecrom2865 Год назад
I seen it in cross country the sport is not like it use to be athletes have evolved and I'm a runner seeing it.The equipment must evolve as well with the change
@cecilsmith24
@cecilsmith24 Год назад
here's an idea. If someone doesn't get out before the gun fires, let the race happen. Then if someone was off in less than 0.1 seconds take the difference and add it back to their end time. In this case Devon Allen would have ran his race and added 0.001 seconds to it. I think he would have been ok with that. Or worst case scenario if you go off before 0.1 of the gun, then you take the difference from the first starter that was above 0.1 and add that to the final time.
@mikehalu
@mikehalu Год назад
I'm in the drop the rule altogether camp! It's too risky to time the gun all the time
@puterbac
@puterbac Год назад
Hell they could collect all the data from all the heats and finals come the last 8 years from all the meets and have a ton of data.
@nathanielrussell4932
@nathanielrussell4932 Год назад
Devon Allen was disqualified for having .001 seconds too fast of a start, and it takes roughly .0035 seconds for sound to travel across a four foot wide track lane. If Devon was in lane 4 or farther he gets a legal start. Such an arbitrary rule.
@yanu7471
@yanu7471 Год назад
There's speakers behind each pair of blocks
@princef-kz5ck
@princef-kz5ck Год назад
Well you're just misinformed lol
@davidedmundson8402
@davidedmundson8402 Год назад
I say we refer to the change as "The Devon Allen Rule".
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