As a former competitive power lifter, I would red light these power lifters as they did not break parallel like you need to for a legal lift. The Olympic lifters looked incredible.
@@harrybaals2549 The suits do not restrict range of motion. The weight compresses the joints and allow full R.O.M. The power lifters try to see what they can get by with.
Oh it's mostly due toheavyweifht powerlifters being main examples of this bullshit There are jacked powerlifters and Iranian powerbelly tanks of olympic lifters
j o lmao those were bad examples of powerlifting squats 💀 you could’ve done some real examples from people like Russel Orhi you biased bastard lmaooooo💀
that part at around 1:45 with Pyrros... it still gets me really emotional. it was his last olympics and last professional performance, where he got bronze medal and then the audience gave him a standing ovation for literally 15 minutes, halting the entire ceremony. magical moment
This guy should do a part 2 where raw powerlifters like kevin oak, eric lilliebridge, larry wheels, john haack, pete rubish, jesse norris, dan green squat to great depth with huge weights and compare those to weighlifting squats that would be an honest comparison
@@nw3877 hear that a lot especially as a physio lol I guess it's mostly when either people go up weights too fast without having enough experience with doing squats and deadlifts properly. Problem is there's always 2 schools of thought when it comes to this: 1) strict everything, proper alignment, movement checklist & 2) a person's body is different as compared to other so we should allow a bit of leeway when it comes to form. Personally, I'd rather go with the 2nd. And to add to what the guy said above, research suggests not just the meniscus but also ACL and other ligaments are thicker in weightlifters, though I'm not sure whether those are olympic-level.
I can't belive this video I made in about 10 minutes 6 years ago has over 2 million views 😂 Once I get 1000 subs I will make part 2 and ensure it is even more fair, balanced and accurate than this video.
@POOR PIRANO it's impressive that she can move it yeah, and I'm sure she's strong as fuck. But that's not a squat, you don't need to squat 600 to know that
This is nonsense. None of those powerlifting squats should have passed, even by their own rules. The first one is just an abomination. It's also well known how much the rules and judging vary between federations. This is essentially a non-issue within the IPF, for example.
+Powerlifting - Deadlift / Squat / Bench u dont need to go atg on squat in powerlifting.. oly liters do it because it helps them catch the weight as it comes down from the clean. they HAVE to go deeper, it doesnt make anyone better or worse
+JaayProdiJaay nobody is questioning depth per sport. I think the video was using these particular lifts to prove the major difference between the sports because they're two extremes. Not saying one is better than the other.
+Brian Watts ，agree.last time i see 1 of the forum mention that westside people sometime used this wide foot stance squat during training to activate the glute muscle, and help to break through normal stance squat PR. i dont understand what is wide foot stance squat untill i se this video and yours comment .
Relax guys, I'm pretty sure this video was meant to be funny. There are great powerlifters out there that squat deep, but that wouldn't have been funny.
They could do box squats, adjustable to the lifter based on percentage of their height, or even their femur length. It would standardize the depth. But no, a world champion isn't gonna be told his PR doesn't count when done right. If these squats are good, why can't I rack pull instead of deadlift?
Yeah, Dan Green is a good example. Layne Norton squats "deep," but his upper body is pitched so far forward that I don't think it makes a good example in this case. I was more thinking of Bryce Lewis, Ray Williams, Chad Wesley Smith, Max Aita (who's also a weightlifter), Damien Pezzuti, Jesse Norris, Tom Martin, Bret Gibbs, Jonnie Candito, and of course, Justin Morgan (just kidding on that one).
Haha yea I'm a powerlifter and I got compliments on my form and depth from an olympic lifter. I lift raw, beltless (recently introduced a belt during some high volume high intensity deadlifts mostly to get used to it to use during competition, since raw still allows a belt wrist wraps and knee sleeves and that stuff does add weight.) These multiply lifters wont ever get passed in the IPF.
They still strong as fuck bro lol. Even 700 for 1 shitty rep with no depth is better than 99.9999% of the population, especially as a woman. I bet she could rep 405 with perfect form, no gear.... can you?
+Kurt W read my comment again. "Better to watch" I'm talking about which form of powerlifting I prefer viewing for entertainment . I never doubted anyone's strength; I just don't find it entertaining when I see men and women lift while wearing insane amounts of gear.
When you see a slavic olympic lifter and his form/stance/range of motion and how smooth everything is... You start to question, what the F are these clowns in the US are doing ?
I do powerlifting in the gym. Bench, deadlift and Squat. I don’t do Olympic lifts, but I always squat Olympic style. Much more aesthetics to see, and proper Ass to Grass
You can still squat deep low bar, depends on how good your flexibility and form is. Personally high bar hurts my back more and I like low bar anyway it's way more comfortable because I'm tall.
Fatty Tee Actually most lifts shown are well above the 550 mark. I believe the lowest bar I saw was klokovs 1 hour long paused squat that was around 540 still. First dude had like 650 on.
What I think is really funny is that powerlifters always just slightly bend their knees during a squat with 15 guys spotting and then act all tough and hyped and Olympic lifters basically squat by sitting on the ground and getting up with no spotters and don't even have facial expressions
@@untbam I feel like powerlifting ESPECIALLY equipped has evolved so much that rly they only care abt the numbers they put on the board and I honestly think that’s why the depth has gotten so bad they just wanna see more plates on the bar
@@untbam this is a sumo squat don’t be a dumbass. The person who selected this compare a deep squat to a sumo squat. Unless you can do a full box split. You can’t go any deeper doing sumo.
They weren't even hitting legal depth in powerlifting. The rules are clear that the crease in the leg and hip has to be below the top of the knee. The olympic squat is to train a part of the clean and jerk or snatch whereby the futher deeper they can get, then the less high the bar has to be cleaned or snatched for the first part of the movement.
No he’s correct they are regulated to go down pause and then come up hold , I don’t think those were comps I think those were just “lift sessions” bc there’s normally a guy who says ok down , ok up , rack
All of the Powerlifting squats shown were multi-ply equipped squats and knee wraps, they might not have been able to get parallel. There are so many proper examples of a Powerlifting squat done right, look at any Ray Williams or Larry Wheels or Pete Rubish squat video
Honestly there's nothing more satisfying than watching Oly weightlifters like Lu Xiaojun back squat. Long torso, short femurs, super upright high bar squat. It just looks so clean and easy. So much depth. So beautiful. Edit: Just saw the bit where the "powerlifting" keeps cutting to shots of Pyrros shaking his head LOL
I am a powerlifter,but that wide stance,equipped shit is stupid as fuck.I do not understand why people would do it.You are not demonstrating strength.They are barely hitting depth,and it comes down to who has better equipment.I compete RAW with wraps,but I do not use wraps.I just like squatting,and demonstrating raw strength.
+17MXT When I began powerlifting, I didn't even know "RAW" and "equipped" existed. Not only those people are using accessories to help them lift more, but also their form is questionable.
As a powerlifter I will 100% agree that olympic lifting is much more difficult and oly lifters tend to be far more athletic. However, this video is still a pretty sad representation of powerlifters
But the olympic squat is all abaout the anatomy of your body. Short femur, long torso, good ankle mobility etc. Think most people would do it if they were born to be capeable of it
From the hip flexors to the IT bands to the tendons and ligaments in your knees and ankles all the way up to the back and shoulders you feel every little detail with the Olympic squat, ATG ♾.
Anyone who really believes this has never worked out seriously. Flexibility like that takes immense effort and training time that most powerlifters don't have or even want as it is not useful to their goals.
@@afb9176 because its an endurance based sport. I wanna see someone bench or clean and jerk a crap ton of weight, not pullups my gym teacher wouldn't hit for performing or sandwhich making for reps.
+BrainTrance agree 100% my dude. i used to do squats just below paralell, but i injured myself and had to restart lifting a year later. im now doing olympic squats and althought i have to use a lot less weight, my body is looking amazing these days (imo of course) because of high reps with olympic squatz
+Leandro Augusto Olympic high bar ATG squats do not require dna/genetics lol..any sport related to physical performance is enhanced with strong genetics. That doesn't mean you can't train with shitty genetics and not perform the high bar squat used in Olympic lifting. Hard work beats genetics any day and yes, I agree that Olympic weightlifting requires more hard work than any strength required sport. Not just physically, but mentally as well with the technique involved. These guys you see doing the Olympic high bar squats in the video have all been training for decades before this footage was even taken.
I got the femurs of a 198cm person but I'm just 185cm tall. Sucks that even after hundreds of hours of stretching and mobility work I still can't do olympic squats unless I put some elevation under my already elevated weightlifting shoes. I want to do them too
Nothing wrong with adding extra heel height. For reference, it's pretty common among Chinese lifters even at the top level. Just make sure the cobbler uses an incompressible material. The standard 0.75 inches of heel elevation sported by most weightlifting shoes is not some magical number that fits every person. It's simply a standardized measure to cut manufacturing costs.
Jesusmetalhead I used to do olympic type squats and i kept injuring my adductors because my knees would sometimes cave inwards very slightly when i went up. It wasnt cave in by a lot, but slighly, and over time i kept getting injured. So i just do a wider stance now and i squat just below parralel and my adductors are fine now. I would love to do olympic squats again but i dont want to risk getting injured again.
You should've put Larry Wheels or Russell Orhii squats. They are both the best american powerlifters in their respective categories, and their squats are 1000x better than this joke
BIGroom house at least there actual comps and not these bs lifting “sessions” wheels for the win kids a absolute animal whole other breed next to these jokers !
exactly. How can you compare the BULGARIANS, to some average chick squatting in a bullshit federation? It makes no sense, the video kind of loses some validity. Even though, this shit is true.
@@ChristosPamp888 thanks man. Why is he shaking his head, just emotional? They used it in such a funny context here it’s hard to tell what he’s communicating.
Do some research, and youll see the top sofistication of the Olympic lifter, to the same ratio of powerlifter that actually have grace to use proper form. Thats just statistics man... but, yes. Very bais indeed
Dude everything counts in powerlifting, and even the IPF. Wanna bounce the bar on your chest for bench? Sure! Wanna flare elbows? Sure! Wanna make the bench press into a decline? Sure! Wanna spread your legs ultra wide during bench? Sure! Wanna use equipment to lift some of the weight for you? Sure! Powerlifting is a sport where everyone gets a trophy, win or lose.
The late great powerlifter Fred Hatfield always believed in high-bar squats in the offseason were great for base-building for powerlifting(as is using the ssb bar! Granted, we have powerlifters like Dan Green and Death grip Derek who can squat atg regardless of bar position!
I've always done squats Olympic style. Fairly close stance and I sit right down with it. Not very heavy weight to be honest but full range of motion for sure. I've literally had someone come up to me after finishing a set and ask "those look really good what do you call that?" And I was just doing squats.... Focus on your damn form people, leave your ego elsewhere!
For those who don't understand. In proper federations these squats would be red lighted into oblivion. But even then, powerlifters don't go as deep as weightlifters. The main reason is the fact that powerlifters mostly employ lowbar position (the barbell rests on your lower delts). This position pushes your back and knees forward,( to make sure the center of gravity goes through middlefoot). Going ATG with this position is both dangerous and physiologically impossible for most of the population due to lack of enough ankle mobility. But at the end of the day lowbar WILL allow you to move more weight due to extra employment of lower back and hamstrings. Highbar position which is the one that WL use allow you to keep your torso vertical which is what's needed for snatch and clean and jerk. WL don't have use for lowbar even though lowbar would allow them to squat more.
For anyone reading this today: this is not true. I can ATG low bar and high bar. It's not dangerous and it feels genuinely comfortable. Western people like to act like deep squats are not physically possible when lots of the world manages to rest in that position.
@@MrMinermation It's an incredibly narcissistic and self-centered stance to think that just because YOU can squat ass to grass both ways, that everybody can. There are 8 billion people on Earth and you are ONE of them. I can't squat ass to grass lowbar, there is no way in hell. Also there is no actual reason to go ATG if your primary goal is strength and not power and mobility, which is what highbar and ATG is for. Check your information first before you comment again.
@@MrMinermation Squatting to parallel is absolutely fine and powerlifters and strongman show time and time again that is the best way to obtain maximum strength, you gaslighters constantly have to act all mighty and high with your ATG philosophy. Get off your high horse, dude.
Only part I see wrong here is your knees don't go forward in low bar. High bar is more Quads and results in more need flexion, low bar is more back and doesn't have as much knee flexion. Watch a high bar lift vs a low bar lift from the side. You lean more forward yes, but knees do not go forward, they actually stay further back. And I also can comfortably go deeper with low bar. Because since my knees don't go further out, my ankle mobility isn't as restrictive.
@@mirkomarjanovic3234 you just need to train mobility. It's not impossible. Every single olympic lifter who has trained mobility can do it. It's an incredibly lazy and demotivating stance to think that just because YOU can't be bothered training mobility, everyone else shouldn't give it a go as well.
i think its just two different thing, im just sad because lot of powerlifter want to overcome lack of mobility with what they call ''raw power'', where your human body is just not 100% free in his move
Fuck off dumbass. Low bar squats build total body strength. If you put a person through a program that uses low bar squats vs putting high bar squat, the person doing low bar squats will build more overall strength. Pro olympic lifters vs pro powerlifters are doing very different things however. One is based on explosiveness and other really huge weights moving at a slow rate. YOU ARE (most likely) NOT A FUCKING PRO LIFTER. So it won't matter. Do low bar squats if you want functional strength. Do high bar if you want to become a pro olympic lifter (or an amateur weightlifter if you simply like the challenge of doing cleans, snatch etc) or as an assistance exercise for low bar. Stop pretending you high bar squat a million times more than average low bar squatters or are somehow "technically" better. You don't and you aren't. You're absolutely braindead if you think high bar squats are objectively better than low bar squats.
@@Zipped_in high bar is a LOT more useful for athleticism than low bar simply because it builds your quads wayyyy more and because it mimics positions in sports a lot more than low bar. A high bar squat angled forward is more or less a sprint stance for example, low bar has no real positional carryover to anything. It lets you lift a little more absolute weight most of the time but overall unless you're powerlifting high bar is better for everything else
The "powerlifting" ones aren't even powerlifting squats those are called, "assisted powerlifting squats" or "geared powerlifting squats" they're not even recognized by most federations
Obviously but it supposed to demonstrate the difference in attitude between the two disciplines. Look how slim and athletic the Olympic lifters are and how pudgy the powerlifters are and when you factor in actual form the weights aren't that different.
@@KC-yd5kj Comparing raw, actual full-depth powerlifting to weightlifting, the powerlifting squats are clearly stronger because it's one of their competition lifts. Those geared up powerlifting feds are barely even powerlifting at all as they do not follow the accpeted "crease of the hip below the top of the kneecaps" rule.
