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@stevetomlinson7343 2 года назад

Peter have been a fan of yours since my first Oly Emd5 in 2017...Just acquired a Mk1 iii and love it, but your tutorials and explanations make life so much easier. KEEP EM COMING

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Wow, thanks!

@bkaustav 4 года назад

Hi Peter. Nice tutorial. I switched the function of the 2 dial buttons. I find Index finger to set for A or S and Thumb for exposure natural to me.

@larryhayes3040 Год назад

Peter, thanks much for the best video on photo user settings I have used.

@ForsgardPeter Год назад

Thanks!

@billjobes1851 4 года назад

That was indeed very helpful, Peter. I'd used the M1X setup as a guide when I got my Mark III. This confirmed a lot of what I'd done, and added a few changes. Thanks !

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Glad the video was helpful. Yes, the cameras are quite similar.

@gailctaylor 2 года назад

I have been looking for a setup guide for this camera for a week and haven't found one yet. It goes from how to take it out of the box to using settings that I don't know how to set!!!

@alanweston4913 3 года назад

Thanks for the info Peter. Your tip on setting the camera to get better exposure has helped me immensely, I've battled for years to get perfect exposure this method is working great.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Great to hear!

@philippedugout2278 4 года назад

Thanks Peter, just received my camera 10 days ago and found your video very useful for an amateur like me specially coming from e-m5 m1!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Great to hear.

@pascalpernet8373 4 года назад

Hei Peter, kiitos paljon videostasi, se auttaa minua paljon, koska olen Olympus E-M1 III: n uusi käyttäjä, en voi oikeasti hyödyntää tätä uutta tapausta tällä hetkellä, koska se on rajoitus syy, miksi visualisoin videoitasi suurella mielenkiinnolla ja kiitän teitä kaikesta tekemästä työstä tietämyksemme iloksi! Toivotan sinulle erittäin mukavaa päivää ja huolehtia itsestäsi! Sydänterveisini (en puhu englantia, joten käytän google-kääntäjää suoraan ranskaksi-suomeksi)

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Kiitos!

@catherinetremerryn 3 года назад

Thank you,. My M1 Mark 3 arriving next week! Very exciting!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Hope you enjoy it!

@ramonborreguerolinz8612 4 года назад

Hello Peter, I have stopped using Olympus and there is an offer free to check for the EM I MK III and that´s I see your video. My 2 lenses are broken due to static electric discharches from clothes in winter and the two lenses are broken. I will check for three days the EM 1 MK III. All the best and stay safe

@arilotringer 3 года назад

This was really helpful, thanks for all of your tutorials, I've learned so much! Cheers!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Great to hear!

@DrCB-jo4qh 4 года назад

Thanks - so it does has the "My menu" option, same as the EM1x. So I am seeing at least five key features over the EM-1-II which appeal to me.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes, MyMenu is the same as E-M1X has.

@alexmetcalfe4668 3 года назад

Thanks for this Pete. I'm drowning in the settings for my new MKIII at the mo!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Congrats! It is a great camera! If you have questions, please ask. I will try answer the best i can.

@mirandavandenberk786 2 года назад

Thank you so much

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

You're most welcome.

@innerlichstarksein 4 года назад

Very helpful, Peter! Thank you very much!

@siamaksadeghi6651 3 года назад

Very useful and informative video. Practical. Thank you!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@vaclavpotucek9060 3 года назад

Hi Peter, the Beast has just arrived! Thanks a lot for this brief settings overview - was very useful for initial setting, before I dived deep into the instructions manual to get a few more details.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Great to hear!

@libork8106 4 года назад

Hello Peter, I don't have my E-M1m3 yet, but I hope soon will buy it, and your video will come handy. Thank you.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Great!

@claudelaroche7811 4 года назад

Will do My Menu saving on laptop, thanks this will save me time

@josegeraldoresendeboaventu2274 4 года назад

Very good Peter. Thank you.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@spanksen 4 года назад

Thanks Peter!

@mikeennis851 4 года назад

Thanks

@JohnCasey74 4 года назад

Hi Peter, Do you have a video on best settings for Olympus E-M1 MKI, please?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I do not have a video about that. There is a video about E-M1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oFAsWzdAD-c.html

@meredithpottery 3 года назад

Thank you so much!!!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@DavidCrooksPhotos 4 года назад

Good basic run through of the menus...

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thank you.

@ShafiqKhan 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the useful video. Question - when using the self timer can you get the em1-3 to beep down ?

@ForsgardPeter 7 месяцев назад

Not sure it is possible. Have you tried if have the Beep sound of and using Silent Shutter?

@davidalan8824 4 года назад

Thanks! very good info!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@stehlealexander 4 года назад

Olympus Finnland you should give Peter the Camera for free. Greetings from 🇨🇭

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I have a few cameras from them already so I am good. But it is a good idea....

@jasminyeow123 4 года назад

May I know why you did not change the low ISO processing ? What is the drive processing?

@warrenmartin8309 4 года назад

Hi Peter, really helpful video. Please can you tell me how you set up Back Button Focus on the III?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

There is a dedicated button for it, AEL/AFL button in the back. If you want to tweak the default settings the AEL/AFL button has go to the Special Menu A1.

@steveneasley506 3 года назад

Do you have any videos on how to AF FOCUS ADJUST or lens calibration for Olympus OMD Cameras, especially M1 mark 3???

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Actually I do not. That would be a good video topic. Let me see what i do about it.

@tonycastillo8210 3 года назад

Good video, I have a question, how to deactivate the light that help focus? I only want to deactivate it in order to make street photography without attracting the attention of the people. I will save it at my C1 mode

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

It can be found from Custom Menu A3 > AF Illuminator > Off.

@oneoldgit 3 года назад

is there a way of seeing what the settings are in your presets?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Unfortunately not all of them. You can see quite a few from Super Control Panel.

@AnastasTarpanov 4 года назад

Thanks for the video Peter, your settings are completely different than mine but doesn't matter we are different photographers. I wanted to add that with the latest version of Ol.Share you can backup/restore your settings also with the phone and it's a great option if you're outside changing/renting cameras, etc. Also, I use the mobile app, I think it was in Ol.Track, to set the time on the camera, this way if you shoot with multiple cameras when you import them in Lightroom or any other software you can order it by time and it will be the correct sequence of the shooting. I'm curious what app you use to record your screen and when you have voice over the screen are you using also the lav mic or it's different configuration?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

That is true about the OI.Share. Thanks for bringing it up. Settings are personal and that is the beauty of cameras that can be customized to every one!

@johns2712 4 года назад

Trying to follow along because the manual provided with camera is very poor. I could follow up to the Dial settings and then lost ability to do what you are doing. I can't recreate your movements and settings for Dials. I'll play some more. As I watch the video if I see other problems I'll make additional comment(s)

@jamesbencivenga8190 4 года назад

I am new to Mirror less 4:3 format camera's and I just bought the Olympus emI-mkIII. Your video was 10X better than anything told me at the store. I have not been able to save any photos in Raw I try with both card slots in sue, or only one in use, both the top individually and the bottom individually. No matter what my settings I still only shoot in Jpeg. Advice, please>

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Do you some special feature on by accident? Most of them can save raw, but for example Keystone Comp. cannot. Is the raw optio greyed out?

@jamesbencivenga8190 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you for your reply. Keystone Comp. is off. I didn't see any raw option linked to it in the menu.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Unfortunately it is very hard to say. Have you tried to reset the camera and done the settings again?

@jamesbencivenga8190 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter I will do that and let you know what happens.

@hckrohz 4 года назад

Hi Peter, great choice of adjustments you did. I am following your channel quite a time and I must say that I really like it. There's so much to learn about our cameras... Thank you. Are you using back button focus? I could set it up easily to the AEL/AFL button as with my 1M2 but there's one problem: I can't switch off the focussing of the half-pressed shutter button... or at least I can't find where to switch it off... any idea? with out switching it off back button focus is useless... stay save and stay home hck

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thank you very much. I very seldom use it. You can turn the AF off when pressing shutter button is pressed half way from Custom menu A1 > AEL/AFL > Half Way AF > Inoperative

@taterandy3958 18 дней назад

Does em10 mkiii have have a My Menu to save shooting settings like on the EM1 mk2

@ForsgardPeter 18 дней назад

No it does not, unfortunately.

@snowwalker9999 4 года назад

Peter can you tell me about the advantages of EM1 iii over EM5 iii? I’m not sure which one better suits my needs. Mostly for photography but some video as well.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

E-M1 MKIII has better features like hand held hires, LiveND, Starry Sky AF, USB Charging and can be used when plug in to a power bank and better battery life. These differences came to my mind. Of course if you do not need those features then it is a another thing.

@p.io7 4 года назад

Plastic body of em5mk3 quickly settled me towards em1mkiii.

@ulfryland1864 4 года назад

Thanks Peter! Love your RU-vid channel. Always interesting and learning:) I have just bought E-M1 Mark III :) before that I had the E-M5 Mark II. Great camera! I have a problem to choose raw in my new camera. I have read the manual, but it is not helping me. Do you know how to do it?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Go to the Super Control Panel and choose it from there and use P, A,S or M. You also might have some special feature on that prevents using raw. Check that you do not have Keystone Comp. on.

@ulfryland1864 4 года назад

Peter Forsgård Thank you so much!

@cindyrojas3227 4 года назад

When saving lens information in the menu area - which F number do you use when listing a zoom lens?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I do not think that the f-number matters that much. It more about the focal length. I would save the longer end.

@cindyrojas3227 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter thank you :)

@PurebloodAussie 2 года назад

Would this also work fo Olympus DSLR E-1?

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Cannot say for sure. Have not used the E-1. In theory yes.

@johns2712 4 года назад

Also right off the start, what mode setting do you have the camera (P, A, S etc) on before you start all the suggested settings?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I use A (Aperture priority) on most of my shots.

@johns2712 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter I did that and made the settings. The result is A, P & S will not work to take photos. The dials for opening and speed don't seem to work either. The only Mode that will work (poorly) is C1

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I wonder what has happend. Have you solved the problem?

@johns2712 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Reset to original settings and only making a few changes. Some of yours caused the shutter speed to stay open for 5-10 seconds or longer. Also the view finder and screen would not change upon making changes to opening or speed. My first impression is I'm sure glad I kept one of my Mark II bodies. I may learn to like this one as I use it more and learn.

@factonut62 4 года назад

Thank you Peter for providing this video. Very helpful since I recently purchased the MKiii in enabled me to set up quicker. I have a question that you can possibly answer which is regarding the ORI files, high res photos. It seems as though I am not able to process ion Photoshop. Do you have any suggestions as to how you to handle? Thank you. Richard

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Lightroom will open those normally. You can also use Olympus Workspace. Some have changer the .ori to .orf, but not sure if it works.

@factonut62 4 года назад

Thank you again for your reply regarding the ORI files. What I didn't realize was when the MKiii shoots a high res shot there are three files, ORI, ORF and JPEG so it makes it somewhat easier to process. One of the reasons for purchasing the MKiii was in photographing mallards on a lake near me. This time of year they fly in out quickly and fight with each other for the right to mate. I've tried various settings and recommendations from some other RU-vidrs who mainly photograph birds but at this stage it is more of a hit and miss but will keep trying. I shoot with the 40-150 and a 1.4 extender. Thank you for all of what you do.

@alsonlee3736 2 года назад

Which able works with the E1 Mark iii..and where can i purchase it. Thanks

@alsonlee3736 2 года назад

which cable works from the MacBookPro to the E` Mark iii

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

The original. Try your local OM SYSTEM Webshop. Either www.getolympus.com or www.olympus-europa.com/

@Wyominguy 4 года назад

I noticed in menu H1 that you skipped over the dpi settings. Do you suggest keeping the default 350 dpi or higher?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It does not really matter what the value is. The print resolution is set in post anyway. I will check this and confirm that I have understood that correctly.

@johndolson8342 4 года назад

Great video Peter. Thanks! I'm a week in to my 1mk3 and spending a lot of time figuring it out. It's a big change from my 5mk2 :-) Do you know if the Myset is a global menu, or can I have a different Myset for each of my C1-C4 sets? I'm also curious what you think of the position of the Menu button. So far...I don't like it as I can no longer operate things with one hand. Would be nice if we could customize other buttons to perform the "Menu" function.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

E-M1 MKIII does not have Mysets, it is called Custom sets. Yes you can set all the C1 to C4 for different use. If that what you meant? I like the position of the menu button.

@johndolson8342 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Oops...meant MyMenu.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Ok now I understand what you mean. MyMenu is the same for all Custom settings.

@wickie4801 4 года назад

Very helpfull to set my 1 Mk III - thanks! A little bit fast some times, but I can go back and start the part agaiin. In my case, I use art filters with pleasure - but if you say right: this is subjective personal use. Can you please something say 1 how to make best settigs for freehand high resolution stills. 2 how to make settingsfor ND recording for stills (is ist possible freehand or only with tripod? 3 can you say, what are your advices for custom settings C1-C4? Thank you. Bye Christoph

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes almost everything is matter of taste. If you like to use ART-filters then have them on. There are some that are quite interesting, especially the B&W ones. The settings are the same. The exposure settings of course depends on the amount of light there is in the scene. For LiveND you go to the Shooting Menu2 and turn it on and then you will the options to choose from 1 stops to 5 stops of ND-filter. It is possible without a tripod. You just need have a steady hand. Here is a video about LiveND that I made. I used the E-M1X on that video, but the LiveND works the same way in E-M1 MKIII. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pc4dRnTPpIg.html What to set to C1-C4 is also very subjective. I have these basic settings on C1. Then I have set the Highres mode to C2 etc. It depends what you like to photograph. I hope these answer your questions? If you have any more questions, please ask.

@wickie4801 4 года назад

Dear Peter, it is very friendly that you answer so in detail. Many thanks therefore. It´s enough to know. For instance the video is great. So I know, how to do. In internet the most have said, it is impossible to use ND Filter without tripod. I`m very pleased with my new Olympus. I personally have tried almost all companies (without Pentax, Leica and Ricoh) - I began with Olympus and came back to it for a while; now I`m convinced to have the most sympathic cameras. One very important argument is: if you get older you need more lightweight/ small equipment to carry around and I need the very good stabilisation in Olympus cameras, too. So again: thanks for your patience in answering. I wish you all the best health in this times, Christoph

@johns2712 4 года назад

Did I miss something? The Art mode is gone on the Mark III

@blie8767 4 года назад

Thanks for timely and useful video. Three questions on the E-M1.iii: * I notice that the color of the EVF is somewhat blueish compared to the E-M1.ii. The E-M1.ii had the same "problem" in the beginning, but this was fixed by a firmware upgrade, I think. Is there a way to fix it on the E-M1.iii? * I have now drained one battery on the E-M1.iii. My experience is that it drains much faster than on the E-M1.ii. Could it be that the battery was not properly changed the first time? Could it be that they have increased the clock-speed of the processor? Could it be that some feature is turned on? (Bluetooth, or something?) * I'd like to learn to use the Custom modes. How can I assign to, e.g., C1 the following: (i) Shutter mode, (ii) ISO 800, (iii) L continuous shooting speed, (iv) CAF+tracking, (v) start-up shutter speed of 1/1000? [As an example -- for quickly preparing to shoot birds, etc.] Is this possible?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It is. You just set those from the menu and then go to Shooting menu1 and store them in a Custom Setting you want. You have four options and then those settings can be accessed with the Mode Dial.

@Bassbarbie 4 года назад

B Lie I can’t say I’ve noticed any difference. Presumably you did charge it when you got it?

@rogerforeman7908 4 года назад

Hi Peter. Can these settings be used on the MK2?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Most of them. These is also a video about the Best Settings for E-M1 MKII. It can be found on this playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLDi4hF9-cy6hvQ0EKYVepWKbqa8TCmId_

@johnvanbarneveld5507 4 года назад

Regarding tethered shooting which you did a few weeks ago. Is it possible to rig the camera so that it can be used as a live webcam for communicating via Skype, Zoom etc? If that cannot be done could you suggest to Olympus that it would be a good idea?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes it can be as a webcam. The only thing that you need is a video capture device. I have an Elgato Camlink. I bet there are some other brands too. Blackmagic might have one. I have the fullHD version of the Elgato Camlink, but there is also a 4K version. You also need HDMI cord from camera to the capture device. It works really well with Skype and Zoom. The image quality is very good. Then you need to set the HDMI Output to record to get a clean image. If you have a fullHD video capture device you need the set the video quality to fullHD from camera.

@PeppesPizzaPie1 3 года назад

Any special reason you skipped the video setting for this camera?

@joakimwallner1747 3 года назад

Hej Peter! Jag försöker få till Starry sky AF men får inte till det. Man ska ju trycka på AEL/AFL knappen för att starta fokusen. Men ingenting händer när jag trycker på knappen. Vet du vad det kan bero på?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Har du vald Starry AF?

@joakimwallner1747 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Ja det har jag men det händer inget när jag trycker på knappen. Har försökt med allt känns det som men jag får det inte att fungera

@lindastevenson9030 4 года назад

I just purchased this camera, moving from Canon's 5dM4 (weight). What do you mean when you say that in setting up the ISO (film speed), you can "press down the ISO button and turn the back or front wheel...can choose which face the camera is focusing on...". Why does film speed impact face selection? Thank you in advance.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

No the button is changed from setting up ISO and is now only a button for Face Selection.

@lindastevenson9030 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter thank you so much for your explanation! There is so much to learn...

@johannesdewald5487 4 года назад

thanks Peter. Allow me one lens question. I have the 12-100, a great piece of flas. However, for getting around easy and still have the Oly instead of the mobile, will I be disappointed by the image quality of a 12-42 Pancake? Regards

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Of course, the 14-42mm is not the same lens as the 12-100mm Not a big difference in aperture, but 12-100mm is a better quality lens. 12-100mm f4 has stabilizer and is weather sealed. he advantage of the kit lens is as you say, it is very small. It has quite a good image quality but is it disappointing. I would say no. Do you have the pancake lens to test them side by side?

@johannesdewald5487 4 года назад

might borrow one for testing as soon as posible again. Thanks

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

That is very good if you have a possibility to test it yourself. IQ is always a matter of opinion. All modern lenses are good enough for most work.

@simonbond951 2 года назад

Hi Peter, love your videos, thanks! Just one query: Why do you shoot in Adobe RGB? I assume you are developing and exporting your images in sRGB format (?), as you say you are mostly posting online/your images are viewed on screens/monitors? Does this not mean you would export from post processing in sRGB? Most advice I have read suggests it only is worth using aRGB if you are also developing/exporting in that format with the intended purpose of printing in high quality. I believe it's due to the fact that most screens/monitors are incapable of displaying aRGB, and there can supposedly be issues with certain browsers/applications even trying to display it - whilst on the other hand, sRGB is always supported as the standard format. If there is a benefit, I'd love to hear your take on it!

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

I use AdobeRGB. That gives me a better starting point for ETTR. Adobe RGB has more color info that sRGB. After image editing yes, it is converted to sRGB.

@simonbond951 2 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter That makes sense, thanks! I look forward to trialing!

@michelbrochard8224 4 года назад

Hi. To custom button: I tried to get iso assigned to a function button without the use of the lever. I did not find the option in the series of settings. Did I miss something? Thank you in advance.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It is by default the Fn1-button.

@michelbrochard8224 4 года назад

Peter Forsgård I can be wrong, but, on my OMD E M1 II, firmware 3.1, the fn-1 button is the AF area select. Can be reassigned of course, but I did not see any iso option in the customisation.

@ramonborreguerolinz8612 4 года назад

What kind of Sd cards are better for the EM 1 MK III. By the way I have restart with a Zenza Bronica RTSI and different backs, new expecience and digiital back.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I would get the fastest possible. Then it is no problem to shoot proCapture record 4K video. I have a video about new Kingston SD-cards. There is some more info. Here is a link to that video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-05S3aKmCNUg.html

@bgalouskin6212 4 года назад

Once more, thanks for all your videos. Question regarding Mark III. Is there an easy way to get to HDR without going to the menus? I am used to having the front toggle of the left wheel having the option. Now the HDR option on the left wheel was replaced with the flash options which I do not use as much. In fact, pressing the front toggle of the left wheel I do not see how to use the right front wheel anymore. How's that for a muddled question?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes you can. HDR can be set in many places. I would set it either to the exposure compesation button in top of the camera or the One touch WB button in front of the camera, right next to the lens on right.

@bgalouskin6212 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you very much... I suppose any of the function buttons will do... However, this gives you only one of the many possible HDR settings. Before, you were able to chose different settings via the right front wheel...

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Press down the button you have set up for HDR and keep it down and turn the back wheel > you can choose from the different options that HDR have.

@LeoSavantt 4 года назад

Does anyone know is there any disadvantage in using the Anti-shock (front curtain) shutter option? And if selected does it only come into effect with shutter speeds of 1/320th or lower? Thanks in advance.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I have a video about the silent shutter and the anti-shock shutter. I hope this helps and answers your question: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HuYkmDuuizU.html

@LeoSavantt 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter It does perfectly, how I missed that one I don't know, thanks so much.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Great!

@jereli8183 4 года назад

Can My Meny work without me loading in to a computer?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes. It does need a computer to work.

@jereli8183 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you for the answer , I thought so but got a bit in doubt! ..my next step is to set up My Meny

@jereli8183 4 года назад

I don't understand ...why cant I just not set MY menu in the camera , and it should be able to be set there and work ? Does it really need to be loaded into a PC for My Menu to work in the camera? ..I use ONE1 for editing , or Snapseed

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

No it does not. I have misspelled that sentence. It should it does not need... Really Sorry about this.