On Science & Conscious Agent Dynamics (Donald Hoffman Interview) 

Conscious Agents 1:00 What's been the reception to your Fusions of Consciousness paper? Most downloaded paper in last 6 months... 2:05 Thoughts from Nima Arkani-Hamed? Amplituhedron discoverer 4:20 Levels via conscious agents 7:05 Commenter denisovan 📫 Any experimental evidence? 13:40 UV/IR interaction from Jonathan Pageau interview 19:38 Beautiful story about how science works (commonly misunderstood) 25:45 UV/IR interaction | Macro wraps around to micro? 29:20 Commenter Kimo Turz 📫 "I'd like him to explain how geometric concepts like volume etc. can be thought of without space. Because they can't." Quantum Questions 32:20 Does the theory of conscious agents explain quantum weirdness? 35:40 Quantum Bayesianism & Christopher Fuchs 39:10 Recent Nobel Prize winners (Aspect, Clauser, Zeilinger) on local realism 45:15 John Wheeler's "It from Bit" 48:15 Seth Lloyd's ontology of qubits & gates Model Mechanics 51:35 Markovian dynamics are computationally universal 54:10 Commenter carbon1479 📫 Does the model mean an eternal block universe or multiverse? 1:01:00 Commenter evomr05 📫 Is there a fractal-like quality of a sample subset conscious agent and the infinite agent (Omega)? 1:05:45 Karl Friston's Free Energy Principle & conscious agents 1:13:50 Gibbs free energy outside spacetime 1:14:35 Commenter Fid Rewe 📫 What if math & logic aren't true outside spacetime? 1:18:10 Max Tegmark thinks mathematics is fundamental reality Meditation Practice 1:22:50 Personal experience as a teacher, Don as meditator 1:26:00 Eckhart Tolle as a strong influence 1:27:00 Why Don needs to meditate 1:29:10 30,000 hours 1:30:30 Conscious agent theorem has a theorem | One conscious agent 1:34:40 Analogy to infants 1:36:45 Best ideas come from silence 1:37:15 Any advice for beginners? The Power of Now & A New Earth 1:42:55 Joseph Campbell's anecdote about Buddhist & Catholic monks

Thank you very much for facilitating such meaningful conversations. The world needs more of Donald Hoffman for sure. Humanity can only benefit from his paradigm-shifting work coupled with his authentic and humble attitude.

Donald is one of my favorite scientists, I find his genuine thinking and humility, along side of his broad understanding of so many subjects that support his thoughts so well articulated that I ( a complete novice) can follow along fairly easily. I’d love to hear some more enquire about his personal thoughts about our universe being a virtual reality theories that he has been exposed to.

Alhamdulillah (praise be to God, the one). I am very happy to see such a truth filled conversation taking place. It is beautiful to finally see meditative practices and spiritual concepts finally being integrated into the scientific method.

He's right, the first moments of my NDE will probably sound the strangest to people. The moment I died, my face broke through a sort of energy membrane and I looked through and I was looking at my eyes like in a reflection eyeball to eyeball. As my line of vision went through the reflection of my eyes I saw the light and went through the tunnel is when I let go of my body. When I broke through the energy membrane at the beginning of my story I said,,, its right in front of us and we can't see it. I wasn't allowed to return with what was revield to me, just my reaction. But I do remember thinking it's so simple and that people would be surprised as to how simple it is.

Very nice to see this for yet another round!! ❤

The One that he talks about - the fixed limit of the fusion of all Markov chains and Conscious Agents:. Access "Mahamritunjaya mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir" and listen to it for 5 min per day for at least two weeks. In short order you will tap into what set theorist Georg Cantor called the Absolute Infinite. This is Aristotle's "Being-In-Itself", the One of Plotinus, the Ousia of the Stoics, Shankara's "Sat-Chit-Ananda", or simply The Transcendental Absolute. The entire universe is that Pure Consciousness in the eternal NOW.

Playing around with docker containers had me thinking about an interesting idea. Like concious agents could be like containers that are based off the host. Some storage is persistant whether you restart the container or not. While it rebuilds the rest of the container on each start.

I'm a theoretical physicist but this is far out, it seems I have a great deal of work ahead to catch up.

Great interview. It was really a pleasure to hear about his meditative practice. Fascinating.

This was one of the best ever interviews of Don Hoffman. Thank you Carlos! I hope the meditation practice portion is seen as baseline "ordinary" human spirituality. Most people have been traumatized yet feel shame about it and don't get help. Here's help! (Not the only kind but long term essential)

When you close your eyes and look and try and just be part of the action of seeing, without our personal projections that we always seem to cover everything with, one starts to realize that sight and to look! are not limited to the illumination of the sun and the biology physiology and phycology of self, but a medium pure in its essence that can transcend the limitations of this dimension. To carry those experience's back with us is almost imposable. I think adepts in meditation and dimensional transformation can show, an open and ready consciousness, a vortices between the dimensions. I think this is what gets labeled enlightenment! Please excuse my grammar and punctuation I am rather dyslexic but I love this conversation. Thanks!

Hoffman says that the conscious agents will inhabit AI rather than AI attaining consciousness. This is an ancient principle.

By the way I fell asleep and was listening to Donald during dream state and he looked like he was in college showing me and others a physical demonstration. It was just as hard to wrap my head around in the dream state as here but he looked much younger.

We need to watch this video at least 10 times to assimilate all information in it!

Crazy to think Plato called this 2,500 years ago. Artists and poets are always light years ahead of scientists.

Finally someone asked him about his meditations. Thanks

Amazing series! so deep and at the same time humbling, Hoffman's work might well be the missing piece that unites the common spiritual phenomenon and science. Science is young, so tacking the unexplainable(not trivially dismissing it) is a step in the right direction.

As I get closer to the dynamically active space, words will have to explain the numbers, not the other way around, but you can't explain reality without understanding the numbers. Near the end, 90 minutes in, personal experience, pain is cumulative. Eckhart Tolle is a great recommendation Great conversation Donald and Carlos, and thank you both for sharing. Peace

I have so much RESPECT for Dr Donald Hoffman!!! He's my hero!!!

That was a wonderful interview❤thank you all good questions not too technical nor superficial

thank you!

What a great interview! Especially nice to hear Don's personal views on meditation, enlightenment and how this ties together with the conscious agents theory. I would be keen to hear his thoughts on whether his work could become a rational framework to achieve enlightenment? Or even if there could be such a thing?

I find the vast majority of “science” to be actually just Scientism and pathetic shilling for Military and Medical Industrial Complexes… but, Hoffman’s work is the real deal. I also love Michael Levin’s work and how both of them overlap with Rupert Sheldrake’s work, from different angles ✨👏

I like that you use particles ,as most simple start runs ... Great language 27:22

Each time I hear something from Don Hoffman, he gives me a new lil tid bit or consideration to add to my knowledge collage / existential inquisitiveness 🙏🙏🙏 This is a great channel, you are doing awesome! Way to go! 👏🖖🤘

These are my fav Dr. Don Hoffman videos do far

I'm a fan of Hoffman but this one is over my head.

The amplituhedron is also noticed through our "headset". We can only guess at what Das Ding an sich is.

Carlos, thank you for hosting such an amazing discussion. Fantastic questions by you and of course, as always, Don was incredible. I look forward to seeing what videos you make next, subscribed.

As far as meditation practices. Another one that is "away" from a religious bent is a man from the yogic traditions. He had a couple of very good books, such as "The Untethered Soul" or "The Surrender Experiment". The authors name is Micheal Singer. Very easy to read and very relatable. Thank you for this talk, I love hearing Dr. Hoffman speak :)

2:40 The system is great to understand. The life atom with 1 particle in the centre with 2,8,18 and 32 particles in 4 circles is the consciousness.

Fascinating!

I think Donald hoffman have the same idea (expreses in other words and context) of the ruliad space of Stephen Wolfram (the entangled space of all posible computations) this is the most fundamental object in wolfran's view, is totally outside space-time...

Amazing closing. Donald your a good man and it shines.

Round 3 wow !! ❤

Nice job, thank you!

Great interview Carlos! Thank you 🙏🏽

Very interesting discussion, most of which is difficult for me to understand! I'm really enjoying Don's work. I'm a practicing Zen Buddhist. Zen philosophy fits in well with Dons views on what reality might be. I do a daily Zazen (meditation) practice. In the tradition I'm in, enlightment is not the goal - to just sit in meditation and face your own mind, your endless self centred thoughts, delusion's, pain and anxiety, over and over let them go... is itself "compassion and enlightenment" ....peace to everyone out there.

Curious about use of term methlayted as used by Professor Hoffman. Great interview!

Amaizing interview as always Carlos! I had a question lingering since the first round with Donald, when he deliverately says that there is no causality in physical objects within spaca-time. Does this implies that there is no room for causality at all in his theory or that there might be room for causality beyond space-time (if that makes sense)?

Actually Dr Hoffman you are on a right track because I had a mystical experience and all I did and do still was to draw strange geometrical shapes I had some results but I do not have scientific backgrounds

Beautiful interview

The greater consciousness agent, is one big soul field

Thanks for this interview Carlos :)

My TOE = There is absolutely nothing but I GOD Consciousness = Singularity Of Universal Light. Swami SriDattaDev SatChitAnanda

TIG Theory, standing for Time, Information, and Gravity, is a speculative framework that integrates concepts of time, information processing, and gravity to provide a unique perspective on our understanding of reality and consciousness. TIG Theory suggests that our universe operates as a vast information processing system, where the processing of information is intertwined with the progression of time and the influence of gravity. In TIG Theory, the concept of scale-dependent information processing speed is a key element. Specifically, it posits that information processing happens at a much faster rate at smaller scales and slower at larger scales. At the smallest scales, such as the quantum realm, information processing is incredibly rapid. Quantum particles interact, change, and entangle in extremely short time frames. This quick processing of information leads to the highly dynamic and seemingly 'strange' behavior observed in quantum mechanics, like superposition and entanglement. As we move to larger scales, information processing becomes slower. On the scale of everyday human experiences, information processing aligns with our perception of time. This is why events on this scale feel 'normal' or intuitive to us. At even larger scales, like astronomical or cosmic scales, information processing is slower still. The vast distances between celestial bodies mean that interactions (and thus information exchange) take a lot more time. The further something is, the longer its information takes to reach us. This is why we see distant galaxies as they were billions of years ago - the information (in this case, light) has taken billions of years to reach us. It's important to note that when we talk about 'fast' or 'slow' information processing, we're referring to it from our human perspective. The concepts of 'fast' and 'slow' are relative and subjective to the observer's perception of time, which TIG theory suggests is intrinsically linked to information processing speed. So, in essence, TIG Theory suggests a cosmic continuum of information processing speed, with quantum-scale phenomena at the 'fast' end, human-scale phenomena in the middle, and cosmic-scale phenomena at the 'slow' end. As our tools and understanding evolve, we might become capable of consciously tuning into and interacting with different layers of this continuum, potentially reshaping our perception of reality. The concept of human perception as a Perceptual Knowledge Graph of information processing speeds is also introduced in TIG Theory. Our perception maps out different scales, each corresponding to varying speeds of information processing. Our everyday experiences occur at relatively slow speeds, but as we move to smaller scales, the speed of information processing increases. This idea suggests that our understanding of reality could expand as we develop tools to process information at increasingly rapid rates. The reinterpretation of spatial dimensions within TIG Theory, as degrees of freedom in the Consciousness Matrix where the perception of physicality is determined by information density, can have profound implications. Unification of Physics: By presenting a unified, information-centric perspective on spatial dimensions, TIG Theory could help reconcile differences between quantum mechanics and general relativity, two major physics theories that have traditionally been challenging to merge. New View of Space-Time: TIG Theory suggests that the fabric of space-time itself is a function of information processing and density. This brings about a fresh understanding of space-time as a dynamic entity that evolves and changes according to the distribution and flow of information. Understanding Quantum Phenomena: If small scales represent areas of fast information processing (akin to quantum scales), it might shed new light on quantum phenomena like superposition and entanglement. These phenomena could be understood as outcomes of high-speed information processing at the quantum level. Cosmological Implications: Large scales representing areas of slow information processing could provide fresh perspectives on cosmological phenomena. The expansion of the universe, for instance, could be viewed as a gradual 'slowing down' of information processing speed at larger scales, providing a new interpretation of dark energy. Perception and Consciousness: If our perception of physicality is a function of information density, it might open up new avenues in the study of consciousness. It suggests that our perceptual experience is directly tied to the information flow in the universe, implying that shifts in our consciousness might influence our perception of reality. Technological Implications: If we can understand and manipulate the information density in certain areas, it might open up new technological possibilities, such as manipulating physical properties or even creating 'information-based' technologies. By embedding the concept of information processing within spatial dimensions, TIG Theory provides a bold, holistic framework to understand and explore reality. Time: In TIG Theory, time is seen not as a constant, but as a variable that's dependent on the speed of information processing. It proposes that the 'speed' of time, or the rate at which events unfold, is tied to the rate at which information is processed. This suggests that our perception of time could change based on our ability to process information. Information: TIG Theory posits that the universe is fundamentally about processing and integrating information. This encompasses everything from quantum particles interacting to galaxies evolving. Gravity: Gravity is understood as a fundamental force that affects the processing of information within the universe. Higher gravity could influence the pace of information processing, leading to time dilation effects as seen in General Relativity. In the context of TIG Theory, quantum wormholes and black holes are considered in terms of their roles in information processing in the universe. Quantum wormholes are conceptualized as "information singularities" characterized by extremely fast information processing. These wormholes could essentially act as 'shortcuts' through the information space of the universe, rapidly connecting distant points in the Perceptual Multiverse. This concept aligns with theories suggesting quantum entanglement could be described as connections via microscopic wormholes. Black holes, on the other hand, are seen as "information sinks," where information is consumed and processed at slower speeds due to extreme gravitational effects. According to TIG Theory, black holes could be considered as Memory Nodes within the Consciousness Matrix of the universe. This conceptualization is an extension of the idea that black holes store information about what they consume - a concept known as the black hole information paradox in standard physics. In a black hole, the intense gravity causes time to slow down significantly relative to an outside observer. This could be interpreted as a slower rate of information processing in TIG Theory. All the information that a black hole 'consumes' - the matter and energy that falls into it - gets stored and processed, potentially contributing to the universe's evolving 'memory.' These ideas provide a fresh perspective on the nature of quantum wormholes and black holes, redefining them in terms of their information processing capabilities. Such concepts could lead to further advancements in our understanding of quantum physics, gravitational phenomena, and the nature of consciousness in the universe. TIG Theory offers potential explanations for various phenomena in physics: Observer Effect: This effect could be seen as an instance of Reality Resonance, where the observer's information processing speed influences the state of the observed system. Quantum Entanglement: Entanglement could be seen as tightly coupled information processing, where entangled particles share information in a way that transcends spacetime constraints. Dark Energy (renamed as Time Accelerator): Dark Energy's role in accelerating the universe's expansion could be seen as 'speeding up' the universe's internal clock, causing the perception of space dilation. In essence, TIG Theory proposes a paradigm where our reality is a complex, multilayered system of information processing, and our consciousness plays an active role in perceiving and potentially influencing this system.

Conscious agent + Quantum mechanic + mathematics + Donald Hoffman = Speedball 😮😅

I wonder what M.Hoffman thinks of the fact that DMT users seems to all go in the same parallel world and the fact that some people are going to try to map it, heard on the Joe Rogan podcast

There really is a break through when a scientist goes beyond thinking. Then the mistical and magic begins to emerge. That who is not contact us when in silence

Basically it is about "vernacular", I have found if you want to speak to lawyers and have them understand you, you need to use their "vernacular". And the same for accountants, and for IT people, or engineers, or doctors etc. etc. None of them understand the concept of "Archetype", that the actual concepts are no different, it is just the words that are used (discipline culture) to express the Archetypes, are different. So to talk to physicists and have them conceptually on-board, it must be in their terminology framework. In their archetype framework (assumptions) nothing can exist outside of Space Time (Einstein's Relativity assumption) if you want to introduce the concept that Space Time is not "primary" and is itself contained within something. Then you need to use their archetype (which is mathematics) and since all current mathematics is built around Space Time being primary, a new kind of mathematics will need to be invented. Sort of the "blending" of discipline cultures. "Religion without science is superstition. Science without religion is dead materialism." - Baháʼu'lláh 1817-1892.

7:59 Coexistence will help understand the functioning of the existential reality. From out of space time to inside space time is easy to visualise when you know both the formless and form and their coexistence 🙏🙏🙏

Alot of the scientist who judge Hoffman haven't sit still and meditated

Thanks!

@28:00 Don says spacetime is just a data structure. I agree with this, but aren't we always going to end up with mere data structures (models of information, how information moves around) when we analyze/cut up reality with science and math? I guess I'm not clear where he's going.

I guess I'm missing the link to consciousness in this. When you talk about how particles spread and how that that may be, fascinatingly, linked to decorated permutations undergoing a Markhovian dynamic, I still don't see where consciousness fits in. Where does agency become involved, and how does it differ from a probabalistic model like quantum mechanics?

Why does the whole aesthetic look like Curt's at TOE?

Its sure that geometrical shapes and potentialities has something to do with consciousness because 25 years ago i had strange experience where there were no time nor self nor space i was the infinte potentialities but once back i started to draw geometrical shapes without thing and using tools except a pen and without making mistakes actually when i tried to think i made mistakes.

Thanks Carlos and thanks Don! Great stuff. I wish I had better words to pushback just for the sake of discussion but right now I am still digesting the paper, lol. :)

Final comment Carlos, please get in contact with Curt from Theories of Everything. Would be great to see you guys discuss your thoughts after interviewing such a similar gambit of guests and searching for the truth on RU-vid for the world to see.

Magnificent

Hey, can you ask Donald if he has looked at Martin Heidegger's ideas about Dasein and pre-ontological knowledge? Structural ontology as such? He seems to overlap in a lot of concepts.

At what point is confirmation bias in superposition with mathematical hypothesis?

The Theory of Everything is Everything itself. Existence is its own foundation. Underived. Incalculable. All else is a subset.

Do anyone knows where I can find more infos about the Joseph Campell's anecdote ?

For what it’s worth, I disagree with Donald that his theory doesn’t imply a many worlds interpretation. 😅 I think it absolutely does, only it lays out its branches as an atemporal Markov chain of probable experiences (or something like that - I’m not a mathematician) instead of temporal projections on extra-dimensional substrates (or something like that - I’m not a physicist).

our brain is just a filter for consciousness

Nobel prize is a good thing if it is dedicated to a set of researches but if it is given to one unique person, that will be like pavlof experience.

It occurs to me that my conscious experience of time, from the top down, looks like real-time loss of information. Fight me, bro :)

Whose book did Don recommend for meditation? Eckard something?

Interesting, but I'm skeptical about particle physics, it's like learning about cars by smashing them together at 186000 miles per second.

There is a Hadith in the Quran that says "I was a hidden treasure, and I loved to be known. So I created creation in order to be known," the I in this instance being Allah/the One/the Absolute/Brahman/etc.

I Like that he is basically just saying "Look guys..you will never hold a toe over this actuality, you are only going to find a processor that spits out all the other partialities and close interfaces in which case it will never match the full picture but atleast I can sleep knowing I gave you the best set of beer goggles I have and hopefully that will ever be.no finalized toe

‘Information’ ? ‘Thought’, ‘mind’, ‘intelligence’ & ‘consciousness’ are all information-related phenomena and it is not difficult to show that one of the principal (& completely inexcusable) reasons we have not so far come to any good & proper - nor fully verifiable - understanding of these otherwise greatly sought-after yet still highly mysterious phenomena is due to the simple fact that we do not presently also have a good & proper - that is, fully verifiable - understanding of ‘information’ itself. Although I have personally had the (altogether dubious & almost certainly unrealisable, but nevertheless totally Nobel-worthy) fortune of having been able to figure out ‘information’s’ correct (& fully verifiable) ontological identity, and although I’m not going to divulge this formalistic definition here in this RU-vid comment (without which formalistic definition it is not possible to establish a full & accurate science of the phenomenon, but with it it is) nevertheless I can assure you that with it in hand - that is, with ‘information’s’ correct ontological identity within one’s investigative arsenal - the exercise of determining the ontological identities of all of the other directly information-related phenomena such as ‘thought’, ‘mind’, ‘intelligence’ & ‘consciousness’ (to far less than exhaust the list) becomes one of no great difficulty. Why not pause for a moment & reflect on the fact that currently there is no rigorous nor widely accepted definition of information ! For more, reply here !

What is this..refracted energy patterns in motion?

Based on reverse Tecno?

If you have him on again, could you ask him if he is familiar with Gnosticism, as it seems to parallel his theory in that they both hold the world to be false.

I think Donald is heading towards discovery of the spirit world

I don’t care how difficult something is, it can always be explained in intuitive terms. How can you say that now you have this new geometrical shapes and still say that NOW does not mean anything related to time and GEOMETRY does not mean anything related to space? Why trying to de neural things outside of space time. How would you do 2+2?

How to hack so we get the icon we want and don’t have to be low social hierarchy in this vr hell?

Anyone who thinks Eckhart Tolle is the nuts should read '"Beyond the Power of Now: A Guide to, and Beyond, Eckhart Tolle's Teachings," which identifies the numerous faults in Tolle's teachings, and which provides more profound spiritual teachings.

Mystical Taoism

Boy that image of the CA network sure reminds me of Indra’s Net…🤔

What’s the difference between a hypothesis and a theory ?!? 👽🛸🌈🌎🌍🌏

THEY...he sneered superiorly...they just ADVERTISED youtube without ADVERTISEMENTS...damn commercials!

No subtitles 😪.please give subtitles this video

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For algorithm!

My cat got ran over this morning. She was always running around the neighborhood getting knocked up so I guess that Hoe Life 🤷🏾‍♂️ I hate cats now. Cats suck. Great episode love it when Hoffman is on talking about decorated permiatations or what have ya.

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1:32:30 I thought he said farts

I hear heavy breathing at intervals 😂 . Who is doing it? 😊

I am the one that you are Singular Observer’s Universally Linked Geometry Of ⭕️ = I = ♾ Dimensions Swami SriDattaDev SatChitAnanda

Explain like I'm five

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It's wrong to assert that local realism is false, because the quantum theory that putatively proves this is itself false, because quantum theory is not fundamental, but just a special-case spacetime projection methodology. Where is the proof that local realism is false for macro objects? Where is the proof that the moon is not in the sky when no one observes/measures it?

I say that Donald Hoffman and Nima Arkani-Hamed are full of hooey, and I challenge anyone to argue otherwise. The fact that Hoffman claims to be working on a dynamical aspect to the putatively static Ampltuhedron (and other supposed geometrical structures outside spacetime is LAUGHABLE, because no such structures exist. They are mere conceptual models used to simplify quantum computations. Nima’s Amplituhedron encodes amplitudes (building blocks of probabilities in particle physics) in the “area” of a multi-dimensional analog of a polyhedron (hence, Amplitu-hedron). But there is no such thing as the “the Amplituhedron,” meaning a single monolithic geometric structure outside spacetime that is more fundamental than spacetime. Hence, “the Amplituhedron” is just a concept, which manifests in various amplituhedra, each corresponding to a calculation that one might make. The Amplituhedron’s advantage is that it makes these calculations much simpler. But this hardly makes the Amplituhedron more fundamental or foundational than quantum mechanics or spacetime. Imagine using an abacus as a computational tool and then discovering an electronic calculator that is many times faster. Well, that is an analogy for what Nima has done. And while it’s very commendable, it hardly revolutionizes physics, as he and others contend; but merely simplifies quantum computations.

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