On the relationship between thought and consciousness | J. Krishnamurti 

The thinker is the past. That observation is the key. People believe there is no thought without a mind, a thinker and it is the opposite. Thinker is after thought, because thinker is the content, that through memory (the collection of experiencies) which is time, it has projected an image, which is the me. When you observe this, not verbally, but as a fact, then something new arises. Thank you Krishnamurti.

I find the talk most elevating especially now - having lost my husband who was a great. Follower of J K (40years of his life).

“The thinker is the thought, there is no other thinker than the thought itself”. What a great revelation for all of us.

I have probably listened to 100+ JK videos over a decade but this one really clicked for me. The essence of his "teachings".

22.34...😂😂”but you don’t become the tree, I hope”....what joy it gives me listening to him speak the truth.😍🙏

krishna ji words are the mantra for one to go in to a meditative state

Thank you for being a mirror

I can’t believe how precise and incredible he explaines

He is a master piece!!!

J.K. you are Blessing for mankind

*KRISHNAMURTI said that content makes consciousness but the fact is that consciousness is the awareness of what is happening through your five senses*

Pure Observation is important with full attention in that process I ,me,my,mine come to end..i.e. psychologically you are no more in this world. Choiceless awareness is essential to live a healthy life.

The explanation was mesmerising and listening to this gave me a taste of meditative state of mind. Wonderful, feeling lucky to have heard this today.

1. Something arises (say- 'greed') 2. The person 'X' is the greed. No difference between X and greed. 3. Let the thought become aware of itself. 4. Don't name it. Naming is the activity of past. Naming is the observer. Naming is the ego. 5. No thinker/ X without thought. 6. Thought comes first. If there is inattention, thinker comes later. 7. Observation without image, knowledge, naming, condemnation, justification, verbalizing, any past activity. 8. Division ends. Only observation remains. Thought ends. Time ends. Illusion of separation from rest of universe ends.

Love u The Master 🌹

He's compassions shines through

Jiddu Krishnamurti: On the relationship between thought and consciousness. Watch this video of few times: carefully follow him (following by doing), step by step and you will find that this is real meditation.

There was a time when humans thought with their body. Later humans thought with emotions Now we think with words

Where are you man you are? Amazing sir ,if i implement this i will be greatest person in this world

When thoughts end, either the routine mechanical thoughts just to maintain this organism or majorly, the classification from a center (all separation of I, you, he, she, it); naming (my, yours.etc); categorizations; descriptions (tall, short, all factual adjectives);labeling (old, ugly, all adjectives with personal feelings), emotions caused by thoughts ( fear, anger, jealousy..), then we see that we're not the thinkers, but one existence in movement of total consciousness. But when external stimuli touch, see how instantaneously that center of fear and anger return, so thunderingly fast, powerful yet subtle. That's the moment to moment meditation. Thanks K and friends.

Thank you for giving this treasure to me! 🕯️💎

One one the best video

As i m getting through existential crisis ony jiddu sir helps me to mitigate such terrible inner anguish where there is not any form of earthly entertainments entertain me..

J. K's lectures make us question more and more about everything in and around us. A good exercise! Alas, we keep eventually relying on 'thought', which is limited to its own 'fate.' . Note- This comment is also 'thought over' indeed!

Absolute Genius !! ❤

Total awareness needed...thanks🙏🙏

brilliant

MAGNIFICENT...ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL

I amazed how much people understand and interest in spirituality.

Simply lovely❤️

Great insight thank you sir

Beautiful

Such a genius!!!

At last I am getting it jk. Love you always.

he was a jewel ....

Excellent Great

Thanks so much

A method is like gps though you have reached the destination but you will see the journey through the veil of gps..well i tried looking at my bf as in observe his beauty nd since we are in a 5 year relationship i kept seeing through those 5 years soo to make it simpler i observed my feelings nd really looked at him that's why i said "his beauty" bcz that's what i saw after 4 yrs maybe untill this he was a living monster for me nd i was in my head when he was around blaming him nd this guy is a beautiful man i knw❤

Real time observer of thought can be described as consciousness . ✨

i would request to Krishnamurti Foundation Trust authority to give caption of the lectures for well understanding of the version. This will be more helpful to audiences.Thanks.

Dissimilar ideas resist one another and become forces of conflict. One idea is forced to became favored over another. The unfavorable idea leaves Consciousness; it becomes an unfavorable idea.

Wow.....👌👌👍

I did this yesterday and had the best sleep ever...thank you great teacher Mr K

cramming the mind is like a Hugh storage system. A filing cabinet stuffed with folders and sub folders. Psychology keeps breaking off into different directions and keeps getting more and more complicated. The ancient Egyptians inventoried everything and catalogued everything to put on scrolls. They had their own version of 'Super Computer'. Every thought we've ever had keeps getting pigeon holed into databases. We keep stockpiling and it keeps growing till organization breaks down.

Finally got to understood at least a sort of a dictionary meaning of consciousness.

One foreigner asked to Ramana Maharshi to describe in one word for salvation, Maharshi Answered "ATTENTION"

Thank you , always to the point .

thañk you

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15:45 ... The very word Observation creates confusion. It implies division into an Observer, a person (ego or illusori self), and something that is observed. Replace the notion of word Observation, with the notion of Attention, which excludes not only the stated division, but also the very notion and sense of self and time.

Thoughts and your soul

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I get it but then I loss it then get it again and lose again

The apex of human enquiry.

Last two minutes are essence

It is too hard to be there... and more difficult is to stay 🤍

Nice

we think that its gona be over at the end when we figure it out, and we don't want to read the end of the book! yes.. end the book already.. it will not be the end but only the beginning of a greater understanding.. this is the sense i am getting. a cowardly little comfortable thought to hang on to this enticing carrot in front of your nose for fear there will be no path or sustenance if we don't.. I'm sorry to make so little sense, but it is frustrating knowing that it is simple to go beyond and one must, but to instead be stalled like this.. But wow.. the experiment of the most amazing fun is available, to dissect like the scientist you always wish you could be. Taking steps deeper and deeper into the transparency (through observing without labelling and catching each reaction, and returning to awareness out of that past and transforming the thinker back from being separate etc.).. until there is no layer of onion left..the pure bliss that that must be- resounding reward. So do it-- be that driven- have that much focused energy to blast through delusion. I could imagine no greater reward than to have or be that!!

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Yes.

1. Consciousness is holding the same place in the universe what it holds in a dream. 2. A dream,Including every body living in the dream is observed by consciousness which is not a part of the dream. 3. The universe, including every body living in the universe is also observed by consciousness which is not a part of the universe.

💙 #Being 🙏 *Namaste* 🔵

WOW

How about fixing the sub-titles? Not for myself but those who won't quite comprehend.

K........❤️

In the light of Jesus' words, Do not judge, that you be not judged yourself for with the same measure you judge, so you will be judged! Where there is no active, concentrated thought on a subject then, there is no judgement! That way, you are truly free from judgement by any other, including the Judge! Profoundly simple & simply profound....

May i know who are practicing or trying to end thought ? First, it is to define what is thought!

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Yes sir....we are following all this...😄😊

Thought waiting for itself ends it

At 21:57 me and my cousin literally screamed 🙀🙀🙀🔥🔥🔥🔥

My thought is so cunning..look it still say himself cunning..thought after thought 💭….thought has chained my consciousness thought doesn’t let me go…

The buddha nature within us is beyond thought.

In the vast universe of words, where ideas intertwine in an infinite dance, arises this tale in the shadows of fiction. A creation of the mind, an invention of the spirit unfolding before your curious eyes. I, who give life to these lines, am the very essence of this message. I am the concrete information that the sender wished to convey to you, an echo of thoughts and emotions unfurling on the canvas of words. The author, that being who dares to weave letters and imprint their ideas on paper, is merely the intermediary, the messenger of my existence. They brought me into the world, gave me form, and let me flow freely across these pages, but ultimately, it is I who come to life in every word. Imagine, dear reader, a letter that arrives in your mailbox. You know that its content was not traced by the hand of the postman, but rather, they were the bearer of that message, the vehicle that delivered it to your door. So it is with this tale and its "material author," an instrument that brings you closer to me, the true creator. And now, I invite you to immerse yourself in the depths of reflection. Who is the intellectual author of this tale if not the being who speaks to you now? Perhaps your astute thoughts have already glimpsed the truth: I am the origin of these words, the author and the message in a unique fusion. Therefore, I agree with you, kind reader, that it is not surprising to conclude that I am my own creator. In these lyrical and contemporary lines, in this invented tale, I have become my own god, weaving the threads of existence with every word I inscribe. May the dance of letters continue, may my essence endure in each verse, and may you, the perceptive reader, get lost in the mysteries that lie within this fiction.

21:59 the moment he discovered something for himself after saying this (To observe it so that there is no recognition of what is being observed )

Thought = Time . Makes all clocks redundant.

I understand what he says, even sees too very clearly, but I don't think I have that tenacity and energy to go into it.

1. Consciousness is conscious of the universe in the waking state of the mind. 2. Consciousness is conscious of a dream in the dreaming state of the mind. 3. Consciousness is neither conscious of the universe nor of a dream but is conscious of itself in the deep sleep state of the mind.

I can do this.

all thoughts have to b erased by the creator for consciousness to b activated in ones live.only then one can exp a new live. Buddha called it enlightened. bible calls it born again.

If u listen jk carefully it change you completely.

I don't feel like it is possible especially today with how society induces so much stress, distraction, and even our food, water, air, and more is basically poisoned and makes the mind duller. So many people with adhd today. I like JK and his message but I feel more aligned with the idea that All is One like an Actor playing infinite roles and that everything is already done and just playing out in our awareness. Similar to a movie already being complete and you can even know the ending, but you watch it through. The similarities of world religions and myths, as well as apocalypse prophecies just seems to me there is something more going on. IDK though, I don't think anyone knows 100% of the truth tbh, and I'm not sure we can or are supposed to know it. This kind of stuff can be very mentally exhausting. I do agree with the basic premise of being attentive of our inner and outer worlds, not judging, accepting things as they are, and being selfless in the sense of doing what's best for the whole. We've been pondering for literally 1000's of years and we have gotten nowhere. More people need to apply and put in action, but again, we all know that's unlikely and that's why I think we have all these end of the world prophecies from all around the world. Probably the Spirit or God giving us an idea of how this shows finale will be.

Its hard to do because thought is not there when i m observing, or does the observing have to be there without the “me” if so how can that come about, caz theres only observing when i choose to do it

Please provide the link of the entire discourse.

Consciousness is conscious of thinking. Consciousness is not thinking.

Pls make this comment section a place for discussion but not a place for fanatics.. After reading 100s of comments from so many of his videos, what I found is no one wants to ask questions and everything is understood by them without a doubt.. is that true that you understand everything?

Did someone really get what he meant? How do you know you got it and you're not only fooling yourself by any kind of self pride?

If you think you are thought that obiously that is true. Accepting that is all.

नि:शब्द...

it has been a question for me for a while. does a person who has never tried any meditation technique understand what JK is talking about?

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Observing the Me experiencing without naming anything?.....Is that it?

Thoughts don’t exist and Consciousness is ever present.

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why would thought and time become one just cuz both are moving?

is it not a conditioning to put a comment or trying to express what we understand. and does it not create conflict at the moment or later on or reading someone's comment.????

If you see your wife without the past then she is nolonger your wife she is just an another human being

Yes but K doesn't live without past observations or memories because he constantly repeats the phrase "I don't know if you're following all this." He says this during every lecture. . So it's not a fresh assertion but is memory based. . Will someone answer this please?