Once Saved Always Saved - Is it biblical? 

Don't ask yourself if you can lose your salvation, instead, ask yourself if Jesus can lose one of his sheep?

Losing and walking away are two different things

Hey Professor Solberg, I was wondering as a request (as I'm sure you receive many of), if you could discuss in one of your upcoming videos repentance? What is that supposed to look like? How are we as Christians supposed to do that? This is a concept I've been struggling with in my walk with Christ. I know it's supposed to be a turning away from sin (a changing of mind), but how do we differentiate between struggling with sin and still ongoing repetitive sin (despite there are feelings of remorse afterwards)? I know the Bible doesn't teach sinless perfection, so how do we address this and handle it? Thank you!

Gday there Rob, would like to ask about the verses of discipline and chastisement, if someone who has faith goes on doing things or walking away so to say, doesn’t God chastise and discipline that person? Would like your thoughts on that

John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Holy Bible verses quoted in this video:- John 3v16 Ephesians 2 v8-9 Romans 3v23-24 Titus 3v5 Galatians 2v16 2 Timothy 1v9 Hebrews 10v23 Hebrews 13v8 John 10v27-29 Luke 8v13 Hebrews 6v4-v6 Hebrews 10 v26 2 Timothy 4v7 Colossians 2v22-23 Hebrews 11v1 Deuteronomy 6v5 Psalm 73v23-26 Manashantii The Christian

Rob, I can see the train of thought here thanks. One question I would love to hear your views on it on "The Elect" thanks for all you do!

What study bible do you use? Looking for a new one. Do you have a list of recommended resources.

Was just discussing this topic with my jehovah's witnesses friend... And it just pops up on my feed. 👍🏾

Jesus's own words - John 10:26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. ----- I stand with Jesus and find Peace in the fact that no matter what I am His

True Faith is Forever - Hebrews 10:14 "For by one offering he hath "perfected for ever" them that are sanctified".

Hey Rob, what do you think about Matthew 6:14-15 ? For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Does this speak against once saved, always saved? And is it considered works to forgive others that sin against you?

If you could lose your salvation, you would.

Rob, i really enjoyed this video and i dont thinkbi have any point of disagreement here. Its refreshing to see this video, a kind of break from your normal focus on hebrew roots. This video was truly defending the biblical roots of christianity. I would like to see more videos of this nature

To people in the comments stating their "stance" on OSAS & trying to compell me to state my "stance" on OSAS... You can BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely lost. You can NOT BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely saved. The Pharisees (in general) thought they were saved & yet rejected their Messiah. The tax collector (Luke 18:9-14) thought he was unsaved, but it turned out he was saved (unbeknownst to him). Ultimately it is between you & your Savior whether you are saved or not. It is not a matter of policies, statements, doctrinal creeds, etc. Anyone relying on these is standing on shifting sand. Let this heart matter be between you & your Lord only. The thoughts of your mind cannot save you.

Our free will is never violated by God. Because it remains intact, we can choose to walk away from our trust in Him. A sad story indeed! When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith?

Eternal security is the biblical teaching regarding salvation. The Hebrews passage about "if we continue in sin after receiving knowledge of the truth" refers to Jewish people who reject Christ's sacrifice and instead choose the animal temple sacrifices. The sin they are continuing in is unbelief, not simply engaging in sinful actions. The Bible teaches that those who leave the faith leave because "they were never of us".

I know I had the Holy Spirit in me, He took all my addictions away and gave me a love for God's Word. How do I know He hasn't lft me because of my lack of obedience. Isn't my obedience a fruit of true faith? I thought I was sealed till the day of the Lord. Now how can I be sure? Is my confidence now in me to be able to keep my faith. I'm a screw up ill surely mess this up too.

Im not trying to be rude but once saved always saved is not was never saved / or false conversions it starts with they are saved , once saved ! always saved , so speaking anything about not being saved in the first place has no place in this conversation because the first part is they are saved!

Hey Rob! A little shocked about this one. Please refer back to your Hebrews 5 video in the section about OSAS. Any reason you changed your mind?

Either your saved through grace or your not. You can't have both. You can't add anything to the grace of God. Your "WORK" is to believe and that is counted to u as righteousness because after you believe ,your IN HIM [Christ] and he is your righteousness.

John 3:16, & 36 and John 6:47 says it all. It’s never ending and you can have it today because the verses are present tense. It’s crystal clear today, and forever because he is the savior period.

The problem I see with this issue is that it really only matters to each individual. No amount of outside preaching, teaching, arguing, debating, commentary, policy statements, etc. can change/intervene/influence what occurs between God & that person. I speak from experience when I say that the false convert has no idea they're not saved (unless they're a deliberate infiltrator &/or con artist, but I'm not dealing with that sort of thing here). After all, they (the false convert) raised their hand, went to the front, prayed the prayer, signed the "decision card," got baptized, attended church, participated in communion, etc. etc. - how can anyone possibly say they're not part of the club?! That was my perspective as someone who was railroaded into Christianity by the mom of a childhood friend wielding a "4 Spiritual Laws" pamphlet: See? Here's a picture of two cliffs - you're on one side & God’s on the other - how will you cross over?! Then a cross magically appeared across the divide & the little stick figure was able to happily walk over the cross to God. 🤔 Where did the cross come from? What in the world did it mean? I'd never even read the Bible before! Who was that Jesus fellow & why was I supposed to be so eager to cross an imaginary bridge over to Him? I was just a child & nothing bad had ever happened (yet) - no deaths in the immediate family, no divorces, nothing. To me it came across like something I needed to do to preserve the friendship with the childhood friend (because I'd already seen her reject a classmate who couldn't be persuaded to convert). I had NO understanding of what it was all about & I was so young & naive that I didn't even understand that I was just going along with this clumsily-presented "Gospel" to save a friendship that was important to me. She eventually went away to college, got married, etc. & I saw no more reason to keep up the charade, although I would still tell people I was Christian, because, after all, I had done all the "stuff." It wasn't until middle-age when life came crashing down on me personally & I needed HELP! that I started reading the Bible, which was actually prompted by "accidentally" finding a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking" by Norman Vincent Peale - book I wouldn't recommend now, but he did consistently plead for people to read the Bible for themselves throughout. His recommendation to start with Proverbs/Psalms + Gospels leading into the Epistles, I still find valuable today. I won't go into my testimony here, but I eventually had a real life crisis where God intervened & I tell you what: When God Himself shows up you don't soon forget it & I quite frankly don't know how you could "fall away" from something like that? I mean, once the divide from "head knowledge" to "heart knowledge" is crossed, there's no going back. I'm not saying there were never times of doubt in the intervening years, but the same God Who showed up when I was first saved just kept right on showing up. I've lost count of the prayers answered & miracles seen & He has truly become my Life, my Love, my reason for being. And now I can look back on my false conversion & the difference between then & now is like night & day! But I can honestly say my falsely-converted self really thought she had become saved by all the "secret handshake" stuff (I'm being sarcastic, but that's what it felt like at the time), even though there was no life change, nor even a DESIRE for life change, let alone not even really understanding what in the heck was going on. So I said all this to say that all the back & forth bickering that goes on about this topic doesn't amount to a hill of beans to the person caught in the limbo of a false conversion. No amount of "persuasive words" can ever move them across the line from false to true - God Himself has got to do it. Until then, all this debate is nothing but shouting into the wind. Come Holy Spirit, blow.

This is where audience relevance and context should be considered when exegeting scripture to prove one's theological POV. Ex Rob cites: " Jesus said, The one who endures to the end will be saved. (Matt 24:13)." Note that in context the subject is eschatological concerning the END which sign is the temple when it will be destroyed. That happened in the 1st century.

Only the seed that falls on good ground and produce fruit is those who are born again.

Look at this way, the way it is. God won't forsake you as far as it depends on Him. However, our volition is still intact. Just as in marriage, a husband (Like Hosea the prophet) may be totally faithful and committed to his wife and will never leave her. However, she (like Gomer) can and often will choose to leave her husband. Falling away and apostasy are real.

Shalom brother Solberg, thank you for your perseverance in Yeshua in teaching and encouraging in Christ Jesus. May He continue to bless you and your beautiful family ❤

How Many Times Must You Or Can You Be Born Again?

The temporary “belief” that Jesus referred to in Luke 8:13 is a product of the sinful human heart and does *not* result in salvation or the forgiveness of sin. Genuine saving faith is a *free gift of God* which is granted solely to the elect whom Jesus came to save (Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 13:48; 16:14; Rom. 12:3). Salvation does *not* depend upon man’s “free will” decision to muster up saving faith or his continual effort to maintain saving faith. As Scripture declares: “So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy” (Rom. 9:16). Thus, Jesus is not referring to a genuine believer who “loses his salvation” in this parable. He’s referring to the same type of “faith” that Judas professed (a human work of his own sinful nature), that *never* resulted in his genuine reliance upon Christ for salvation. Scripture makes this clear: “For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him” (John 6:64). While Judas professed to believe in Christ, and everyone who knew him considered him to be a believer, Jesus Himself said that all along he was “a devil” (John 6:70) and the “son of perdition” (John 17:12). If Judas would have been granted genuine saving faith by God, then he would have received eternal life, remained faithful, and never perished (John 10:25-30), along with the rest of Jesus’ disciples.

Once saved always saved is the wrong attitude to have. It is not fearful of God nor is one that has the attitude that one cannot lose their faith in him truly relying on God. That is the difference maker. Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail. And he himself made supplication with strong crying and tears in that he feared. He had the right attitude. We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling with the attitude that it is possible to lose our faith in him relying on him to keep us through our faith and obedience. When Jesus talked about the person that causes one of the ones that believe in him to stumble, that word stumble literally implies causing the one that believes in him to lose their faith in him. It only says that in a few translations but those are the ones that are spot on.

It’s just the question what’s the origin of true saving faith? God or men?. And is keep the faith and be faithful your merit or gods grace?

More confusion. No One Chooses Hell. We are ALL going to Hell. And No One chooses Heaven. C S Lewls's comment is unbiblical. .You said once we believe we can choose not to Believe? So God changes those who are His, hearts of stone to flesh., gives them the faith to believe.and the Indwelling of God . And you believe and teach that man is more powerful than God by choosing to remove All of God's work??? In Colossians Paul was speaking to the Church, as today not everyone is Saved, Remember there were seducers amongst them and Judaizers. Stick with what Jesus said, You quoted Him. There are so many Holes in your theology. I understand why those in Torahism flock to reproof you.

There is a scripture that says those who went out from us were never a part of us. Those who apostasize were tares who were never born again. Just because someone repeated a prayer one time did not mean they were saved. Many false conversions especially in America where gospel message is so often watered down. When a person is saved they believe in there heart Jesus was raised from dead according to romans. It is saving faith. It is a heart conversion. Those who are saved are born from above are sealed with the Spirit as a deposit become children of God pass from death to life and become a new creation. To "lose" salvation one must lose the Spirit promised by the Father to dwell within us as a promise of our inheritance, go from death to life to death again, go from old creation to brand new creation to old creation again. And be unadopted by God who no longer is your Father and then you stop being his child. None of this makes any senses. A true child of God who falls away for a time the Lord goes after and brings back. My God my Father will never abandon me. Even when I stumble as I grow. I am secure in salvation as I grown in sanctification. Either it is finished our sin past present and future has been paid for or it is yet uncomplete. Jesus said it is finished. Paid in full. I love you Rob. I appreciate so many of your videos but this one I respectfully disagree with you.

So if heard correctly as long as one has faith that’s they do whatever they want? For example a same sex couple can remain in that relationship as long as they have faith because they cannot out sin the grace of God? Minute 10:23 “We can’t out sin the grace of God”

Shalom Shalom. Beautifully explained! I agree 100%. I have not encountered a teacher who has explained this topic so well and backed it up with scriptures. Thank You, professor, God bless you 🙏

I'm with you Rob. OSAS never made sense to me in light of all the scripture that you referenced.

This is great. Thanks for this.

"E'en tho He slay me, yet will I praise Him." I know I deserve hells fire and damnation. "But I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day!" My salvation is not contingent on me but on Christ.

I'm fully convinced that there are people who despise the concept of eternal security. They work to cause young believers to stumble in their faith and strive to make them believe there is no assurance except in their ability to not sin. Hebrews 10:14

But Jesus died once and for all. But Salvation is a gift from God, This Rob is your first video that seems inconsistent sorry. Probably just my over-analytical thinking. Sovereign God just speaks things into existence and Christ just told his disciplines to follow Him. I believe the Holy Spirit alters our otherwise carnal nature to enjoy a new birth and it happens once.

John 3:16 - Is it "shall not perish" or "should not perish"?

It really made sense that once saved always saved is 100 percent true and 100 percent false. Well said.

Greetings Brother in Christ 🙏. After watching this video , I checked it with scripture ,as taught in 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Also I studied the Ante Nicea Church Father's records ( Pre 325ad actual students of the apostles ) on what there writings,letters,Church letters etc,and what they were saying about Eternal Security. And it's basically similar to what you say ,and the Bible says . Indeed , Salvation is a journey, via loyalty etc.. Another point to back this up is..The Words "Faith" and "Belief" back then does not necessarily mean what it does now. The greek word "Pistis' is what we use in the NT translation, translated as "Faith" or "Belief " ,can and does involve; regarding something as true or real. Akin to how we may say:" I have faith that GOD exists", or "my beliefs are different from yours". However the greek word 'Pistis' and related terms have a much broader ranger of meaning. This range includes ideas that are not usually associated in our contemporary culture with '"belief " or "faith",such as reliability, confidence,assurance,fidelity, faithfulness, commitment and pledged loyalty. So the question is,when someone today says; " I am saved by my Faith in Jesus" what portion of the word "Faith" is understood to affect Salvation? Are certain portions of the legitimate meaning of "Faith" being unwittingly shaded out? . In What capacity is Jesus being regarded as the object of " Faith " ? And what mental images surround the process of Salvation? Do for example, when Paul says; " For it is by Grace you have been saved through Faith" (Eph2;8), what if Paul's idea of "Faith" (Pistis) differs from typical contemporary understandings ? ie; Paul meant ; Commitment,Pledged Loyalty,Allegiance instead of our own contemporary cultural meaning..I have more evidence of this to back you up Rob.. Book resources etc ? GOD BLESS 🙏..

This was clarifying!!! I have been wrestling with the idea for years of having eternal security without the one and done of “once saved always saved” and this video put words to that concept beautifully!

Concise and yet very clear. Thank you for all you do, Professor Solberg. 👍

@TheBiblicalRoots Recommend creating a follow up to this. I hear what you are saying about relationship with the Lord. However, it seems everyone has a list of things that must be done. For example, SDA will say all true believers will want to keep Sabbath, and if you don’t and repeatedly ignore the Holy Spirit’s calling you to keep… you have chosen to leave your faith. What “sins” repeatedly done lose your salvation? And how?

Amen brother!..1Cor 10:9-12 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

What an amazing break down of this issue. Never stop moving to Christ. Loving him and submitting to his gory. Even when we mess up. He knows we will and do. That's why he had to send his son to pay the price for every single person. But to reject Christ and backslide away from Jesus. You didn't lose salvation. You give it up. Great video and God bless everyone. Thank you Jesus for today.

I am very thankful for this Rob. I understand that a lot of people will be upset by this video. But my encouragement would be to search out the scriptures for yourselves. In my opinion, OSAS as a doctrine has never harmonized with the Bible. However, I don't believe you can lose your salvation. But I do believe you can reject your salvation.

Once saved always saved is debunked in the parable of the unforgiving servant. We can be confident in our salvation, but we do not make the judgement, that is reserved for God. Judge nothing until the day of the Lord. On that day some will say to Jesus Lord, Lord and he will reply I never knew you.

Excellent presentation. Well balanced, looking at the whole message of Scripture. Thanks for tackling this controversial topic. You know there will be lots of feedback!

I agree with this. Well done.

How would you factor in the concept of being born again? Can one be born again and then die again? Or 2 Cor 5:17, if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone the new has come. Can that be reversed?

Of course God is always faithful and merciful, that’s not the problem, the problem is when people keep saying we are human, we will always make mistakes. Jesus came here to show us how to be successful through him by following his example of love, love conquers all, and allows Gods law to replace our heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Jesus loves the Father so much that not one temptation of sin could penetrate him. Ask yourself, do you really love God? If so, he says keep my commandments in your heart as I have kept my Father’s Commandments in my heart. This is how you fulfill the law, through love, the law in itself cannot save you, it’s by letting the law become your nature that saves you, for now you are back in the image of God. God’s greatest work is transforming people back into His image, like many in life and in scripture.

Yes that comment is true. The Hebrews passage is out of context and in order to keep one’s salvation we must maintain it is nonsensical and unbiblical period. To maintain is to work and earn. It removes Christ’s all sufficiency which is a pillar of our faith. But just like annihilation theory this is yet another old falsehood that is invading the church.

I see where you going with this, but you need to consider this more. Perhaps all your focus on debunking Torahism has influenced your evolution. It’s not mainstream, so I would be careful not to stray too far into this line of thinking. I am a strong proponent that if one is truly born again, they will never fall away into being unborn again.

The key here is: Was the dude who walked away and stayed away really saved in the first place?

Hi Rob🖐. Ive been thinking a lot on this recently among other things... I know that in my past I had said that I accepted Jesus/Yahusha into my life as my savior and then I later went my own way. I know now that at that time I really had no understanding of Yahusha, no real biblical knowledge and thus a lack of real conviction. I agree with your message here and this is a reaon why Hebrews 6 is so frightening. I believe there isn't enough thought given to whether or not a person truly understands what they are professing when they mouth their dedication to Messiah and/or what their baptism really means. The true weight/meaning of it all. Luke 14: 28-30 being the best summation of this. This is why I don't see the point of baptising children (I truly believe Yah has them if they should perish) and i think it is often misleading for people to be called up to the altar to accept Jesus/Yahusha without a pep talk on the ramifications of such a decision as many of these people are just flirting with the faith (speaking from personal experience). Anyway we know Yah's acceptance and condemnation are both always holy and righteous. No one wants to experience Matthew 7: 22-24. Do you believe that there is a level of understanding (1 Corinthians 3: 2) and conviction that one must reach before being truly held accountable to that pledge? Is there any scripture that you can think of that supports or denies what I'm thinking here? Thanks!🙂🙏

I think you got it correct today. Salvation is free but once you get it for free you become part of God's covenant where you supposed to practice the love of God and love of your neighbors.

Salvation is a gift from God. He won’t ever take it away, but we can choose to toss it.

Bro it’s ONCED SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. Stop milking the gospel and mixing the old wine with the new. Romans 11:6 is clear. Learn how to seperate salvation with what we should do here on earth. We are saved regardless and it’s not based on not one drop of works to be saved or to stay saved at all. It’s about Jesus alone. Now let’s love one another cuz I mean look what hate does to people. It’s simple.

If you can prove that God takes away your freewill then you have a point, God will not force you into heaven if you reject that salvation ,

Great job covering this very well!

So you can't work to be saved but you have to work to stay saved? Got it, that's humanly impossible

If once saved always saved was true ... Wouldnt Lucifer still be in Heaven?

Can you have faith lose it and then regain it and be saved? Is the waxing and waning concept applicable to those valleys or at what point does it become "impossible" for someone to return to faith and be saved?

I don’t know why this is still even a debate. Yes true born again Christians have eternal salvation. But the ones who fall from the faith were NEVER Christians to begin with. If people could simply understand that the majority have fraud faith would make it very clear why many return or stay in willful sin. It’s because they are not working with the Holy Spirit power to overcome sin. They have not crucified their flesh. It’s easy to understand. We are saved from absolutely no works for salvation. But AFTER salvation will bring obedience from their love and gratitude for God. They love God more than their sin, and one forgiven will find it nauseating to go back to what separated them from God to begin with. Many don’t even understand God’s grace and that makes it very dangerous. God’s grace for the willful sinner is only his patience for them to repent and be born again. And God‘s grace for the true convert sanctifies them into holy living. You will know them from their fruit on who is frustrating the grace of God. They will be the ones that defend their sin more than holiness. They will be the ones that Jesus says depart for me workers of iniquity.

Amen brother!

Thanks for this sentence "0nce faithing, always saved " I'm gonna use

Jesus discussed the concept of being "born again" during his conversation with Nicodemus, a Pharisee, in the Gospel of John, chapter 3. The key verses are John 3:3-7: "Jesus replied, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.' 'How can someone be born when they are old?' Nicodemus asked. 'Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!' Jesus answered, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" What Did Jesus Mean by "Born Again"? Spiritual Rebirth: Jesus explained that being "born again" is a spiritual transformation rather than a physical one. It involves a renewal and rebirth through the Holy Spirit. Water and Spirit: The mention of being born of "water and the Spirit" is often interpreted to refer to baptism and the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Water symbolizes cleansing and repentance, while the Spirit signifies new life and regeneration. New Identity in Christ: Being "born again" signifies a fundamental change in identity, moving from a life governed by sin to a new life led by the Spirit. This transformation involves repentance from sin, faith in Jesus Christ, and living according to His teachings. Entering the Kingdom of God: Jesus emphasized that this spiritual rebirth is necessary to "see" or "enter" the kingdom of God, implying that it is essential for salvation and a relationship with God. Implications for Believers Repentance and Faith: The concept of being born again highlights the necessity of repenting from sin and placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Baptism: Many Christian traditions see baptism as an outward sign of this inward transformation and rebirth. Transformation: Believers are called to live transformed lives, reflecting their new identity in Christ through their actions and character. The dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus illustrates that this new birth is a profound and mysterious work of the Holy Spirit, fundamentally changing a person's heart and life orientation.

Thank you Rob so much for this much needed teaching!

Excellent. Very clarifying.

I doubt that you gave Thayer's complete definition of "faith" or "belief". You gave a very abbreviated definition.

Heb 6:4-6 The people described here were not believers. It says that they TASTED salvation. It doesn't say that they took it in and ate it. They were exposed to it and saw the Holy Spirit work for a while but they never took it in and swallowed it. In your example, they never sat in the chair. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 1 If they are able to leave for good, they weren't really believers. 2 If Jesus said no one can take you out of His hands, YOU can't take yourself out of His hands either.

Really liked this video and thought you did a great job of pointing out those scriptures that seem to contradict each other. The best way I've seen it articulated from OWG is that we were saved from sin during Jesus' 1st coming allowing us to walk transformed allowing us to be ready for His 2nd coming! Refreshing to run into a brother with a burden to wall in a manner worthy until The King returns!!! Titus 2:14 NASB95 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. 1 John 3:7-10 NASB95 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; [8] the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. [9] No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10] By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

I prefer "not saved, never saved" as a better synopsis of perseverance. As John says "they went out from us because they were not of us".

Excellent Teaching, I Totally Agree, Blessings On You My Brother In Christ Jesus.

The bible is very balanced on this issue. I wish we could be more to. I think this was a more balanced view.

God gives those who are His a Heart of Flesh and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So, by his claim, a person must kick out God and then turn his God given Heart of Flesh back into stone. Sorry, not happening

This was a great explanation! You have a great ability to sum up a difficult topic without just discarding one view and accepting another a lot of times it’s not just one theology is right and the other is wrong usually they are both somewhat accurate

Thank you for the clarification! Well stated.

I genuinely want to know the pushback people have to what was said in this video Im open for correction The way I see it there’s the openness and understanding of Jesus Christ being our lord and savior , and then the willingness to do his will, or to be transformed. From what I can see while accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior is a glorious praise worthy moment. You aren’t instantly transformed into a new being. (Or at least you aren’t perfected) So for one to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. It seems natural to conclude they want to do bare their cross and do the will the of the father. And knowing that our works will never live up to God standards. Jesus stands in the gaps for us But isn’t it understood that he wants us to sin no more and be transformed? Doesn’t that at least on our part require us to want to kill our flesh or have our minds renewed. Don’t we have an active participation in that process? I’m sure by the end of our fight Jesus will make all whole again but I question once genuine desire to be with the lord if they don’t want to change their current state But again I’m open for correction

Thanks for how clearly you explain this..

My salvation and my keeping faith is based on god not on me. So I will not walk away until he leaves me. Perseverance of the saints and not „once saved always saved „. A person who’s leaving faith shows said he was not on solid ground, so he was not really saved.

I think this says it all. You can't lose your salvation, but you can leave it and walk away. I've seen this happen to people that once walked with GOD .

No one is truly saved yet - we are still bound up in a sinful, cursed world. Even those who have “fallen asleep” lie in wait for judgement. When Jesus returns, He will complete our salvation. Make sure He knows you as one of His own by abiding in “The Vine”.

God gives us free will. He doesn't take away our free will after Jesus saves us. Goodfight ministries has also done some sound teachings on this issue.

No one is saved until death. 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezek 18:21-24 (KJV) 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 2 Cor 5:9-11 (KJV) All glory to God, Amen.

Once saved always safe is true to redeemers in revelation 12:17. Once the mercy seat will be removed for your turn to face your judgement. The law of GOD will face you.

Very well articulated

Matthew 13:20 The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he remains for only a season. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away

This teaching makes salvation seem less and less like a free gift and more like one with strings attached. Is there a scale mentioned in the Bible outlining how many filthy rags (works) I must do or show to keep my free gift of salvation. This teaching seems different than a person being saved to the utmost. If someone says they don't believe the gospel any longer, they never did. If saved, always saved! You don't just kick the Holy Ghost to the curb. We are sealed by him until our redemtion. God bless!

Well said salvation is God giving us a new life and saving us from the old one only those that walk in the new life will have final salvation Romans 8:12 -14 therefore brothers and sisters we are debtors not to the flesh to live after the flesh for if you live after the flesh you shall die but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you shall live for as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God Galations 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Galations 6:7-8 be not deceived God will not be mocked the one that sows to the flesh will reap corruption but the one that sows to the spirit from the spirit will reap everlasting life 😇

Excellent understanding 👏 22. and the righteousness of God [is] through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those BELIEVING, -- for there is no difference, (Romans, 3) God declares the one that is in a present state of BELIEVING as righteous. 🙌 God bless!

This is rightly dividing the Word of Truth. 👌Amen

Excellent explanation. God bless!!

Hmmm… this is a very interesting topic, and it’s definitely not one that everyone is going to agree on. Spiritual warfare is very much alive in everyone. I’ve seen videos of pastors and evangelists who became atheists in various debate videos, though it’s impossible to prove what they ever actually believed. The problem with OSAS is that it implies the loss of free will. Similarly, it also contradicts the Bible’s lessons of staying on the path leading to life and avoiding temptation. Not to mention, many will use it as an excuse to commit sinful acts, and in the worst cases some have even used it to justify suicide.

Would you debate Dr. James White?

Thanks for your video, professor Rob! You brought out a good balance for the doctrine of OSAS while maintaining that we are saved by God's grace through faith alone in Christ alone and without diminishing our freewill to commit apostasy by turning away from the living God! But can you give me more clarity that we can't out sin the grace of God? It just seems that we can sin like the devil and still make heaven our home but Jude 4 warns against turning God's grace into immorality by living immoral lifestyles. And, did the apostle Paul warn us that the immoral or wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of God? I'm just hoping you can clear that up for me. Blessings to you and your ministry, brother!

Nope! In the parable of the soils, believing for a while indicates a change of mind not a change of heart else it would have been a "good soil" which brought forth true fruit of salvation. But only the fourth soil was "good" for salvation. Instead, those who abandoned their faith were able to do so because they had faith that wasn't a saving faith.